Chat History with aether rehersal (#aether9/$ideacritik;46c021c48b564065)

Created on 2008-02-23 22:17:23.

aether9: 18:58:55: halo
aether9: 18:59:08: do we start a group channel?
aether9: 19:00:14: hi everybody
ideacritik: 19:02:04: salut!
Remote Control Monkey: 19:04:54: Greetings!
Remote Control Monkey: 19:05:26: I'm online on skype but cannot be present via video
aether9: 19:06:13: ok.. i just finished converting a full videocapture of the performance that was recorded in geneva
ideacritik: 19:06:14: sorry - who is remote control monkey again?
ideacritik: 19:06:27: really manu? great!
aether9: 19:06:41: i think it's lucy, from the imaginary scientists?
ideacritik: 19:07:28: ah ok - hello!
aether9: 19:08:07: also, i've been contacted those last days by three possibly future participants
Remote Control Monkey: 19:08:51: YES remote control monkey is me, LUCY/ the League
aether9: 19:09:13: hi lucy ;)
Remote Control Monkey: 19:09:46: HI - what are our goals for today's interaction? (to be formal...)
aether9: 19:11:27: maybe explain some technical functions of the patch for those who didnt perform last weekend . and if i have time, test a new simple idea with the html...
Remote Control Monkey: 19:13:20: I think it would also be helpful to figure out who wants to fill what roles in both Little Red Riding Hood and ISEA (how this could potentially be a dynamic performance/lecture)...
Remote Control Monkey: 19:13:35: Regarding tech - the League has never used the patch - we've always uploaded the stream via Evocam (as it let's us add text realtime and has seemed to function just fine) - is this still good?
aether9: 19:15:09: another topic is the Mapping festivla
aether9: 19:15:16: festival performance
aether9: 19:17:42: first i maybe share the info regarding new participants..
Remote Control Monkey: 19:17:51: what would you all think of combining Little Red Riding hood with the mapping performance - in this way preparing 1 theme for 2 performances, and perhaps adding complexity to the Little Red Riding Hood story (map element could be the idea of little red riding hood or the wolf walking through the neighborhood...though this would be difficult in terms of mobility/connection and filming)...
Remote Control Monkey: 19:17:59: Yes yes
ideacritik: 19:18:19: i think repeating a performance is good - yes
ideacritik: 19:18:24: can i say?
ideacritik: 19:18:26: so the agenda is the tech - then the next performances?
Remote Control Monkey: 19:18:36: OK, I'll hold off!
ideacritik: 19:18:39: i think we should try to make it a productive chat...
ideacritik: 19:19:00: i did not mean to be rude - just trying to ... get the agenda straight : )
Remote Control Monkey: 19:19:09: lovely
ideacritik: 19:20:06: (is there anyone here who need the explanation of the tech? -- if not i propose its the new people info then the performances in order of ... )
aether9: 19:20:25: yeah, so let's drop the tech for the moment
aether9: 19:21:19: so the topics are:
aether9: 19:21:21: 1) riding hood
2) mapping
3) ISEA
4) new performers
fe2cruz: 19:22:21: Hi everyone! good to chat again. has paula confirmed the LRRH performance?
aether9: 19:22:36: as far as i know she hasn't
fe2cruz: 19:23:29: does she have a formulated script?
aether9: 19:24:07: no, we not even agreed yet on the concept of a formulated script ;)
ideacritik: 19:25:07: i would like to add apoint to the agenda
ideacritik: 19:25:25: grant application
aether9: 19:25:41: ok, #5
ideacritik: 19:25:50: (small point : i have af ew questions) ok voila sorry for the interruption
aether9: 19:26:10: do we discuss now the question of joiningg the riding hood + mapping?
ideacritik: 19:26:24: do you mean do the same perfo for both?
aether9: 19:26:26: i actually have some minor objections to this...
aether9: 19:26:48: or at least points to keep in mind
aether9: 19:27:33: a) for mapping, we will perform with a band, which will shape the structure + content of the performance - i see them very much part of the performance, visible in one or several frames
fe2cruz: 19:27:53: i kinda think we can still develop two. because LRRH is supposed to be performed soon and we have a month to develop for mapping
ideacritik: 19:27:58: could you explain how you envisioned the integration of hte band manu?
aether9: 19:28:34: b) i see this mapping performance as an opportunity of trying something more visually abstract, not so much scenario driven
aether9: 19:29:10: and the fairytale will push us quite logically towards a narration
fe2cruz: 19:30:28: do you have samples or a webpage for the band to help us start developing somthing
aether9: 19:31:08: yes , tis is their site: http://www.10111.org/bliscappenvanmaria/
aether9: 19:32:16: and of course: http://www.myspace.com/bliscappen
Remote Control Monkey: 19:33:04: it would be cool to have a band in Little Red Riding Hood - a punk rock version of the story... I always like to integrate the seemingly unrelated - the layering gets to be fun - like the technology and mythology in the 1st mapping
Remote Control Monkey: 19:34:08: Ok - just listened (not punk rock version) but coool
boris: 19:34:36: hello
ideacritik: 19:34:43: hi!
laure.dit: 19:34:55: hello
fe2cruz: 19:35:06: did the band have any specific contrinutions or ideas on the visual theme and structure
boris: 19:35:12: chloé is not here unfortunately.
boris: 19:35:21: what is the topic of the discussion now?
Remote Control Monkey: 19:35:31: the sounds are great
fe2cruz: 19:35:49: 1) riding hood
2) mapping
3) ISEA
4) new performers
fe2cruz: 19:35:54: 5)grant
aether9: 19:35:56: for those who joined us, we maybe remind the topics of today...
aether9: 19:36:07: ah, thanks
Remote Control Monkey: 19:36:20: if more formal, I will throw some visual ideas out there - related to recent discussions
boris: 19:36:46: thanks
aether9: 19:36:56: yes, please. chris, the band has no visual theme/ structure so far
Remote Control Monkey: 19:37:00: formal explorations in recent peformances include color and moving through and within frames
aether9: 19:37:27: (except that finnish landscapes are very present in their visuals, and usually when they perform, they project such images...)
fe2cruz: 19:37:28: My favorit is simple repeating patterns
fe2cruz: 19:37:47: the lines on aemotions
Remote Control Monkey: 19:37:57: if simple formal and non-narrative is preferred, what about moving the same objects through the frame - the journey of objects through space and time
fe2cruz: 19:38:06: and the circle raindrops on ghosty
ideacritik: 19:38:27: exchange of objects through different frames lucy?
ideacritik: 19:38:44: (or within same frame?)
Remote Control Monkey: 19:39:12: illusion of passing between the frames, or physical movement, as if we are all one person in one room or...
ideacritik: 19:39:28: ah
ideacritik: 19:39:43: i have trouble imagining what that could translate to in actions
laure.dit: 19:39:46: like in ghost trio, this worked well
aether9: 19:39:48: well, the kind of visual stuff i'm imagining, is for example to have that moment, where on each frame is played a video that each of us filmed driving on some highway in our respective locations...
fe2cruz: 19:39:49: any of the fluid frame interaction and movement is good. anything that the viewer can underestand easily
Remote Control Monkey: 19:39:50: on a philosophical level, what if we all were one character?
boris: 19:40:34: in the last performance cmyk i believe that the murder with the type machine was a high point for the audience. there it was simple, it was an ACTION between frame 3 and 6.
Remote Control Monkey: 19:40:44: regarding the highway footage, what are your thoughts about live vs. prerecorded?
fe2cruz: 19:41:23: driving and streaming can be dangerous
aether9: 19:41:39: my thought is that it will be too hard to transmit live while driving ...
ideacritik: 19:41:44: i like the idea of highway footage - but not for too long -- repeated in shortish segments
ideacritik: 19:41:47: hihi
ideacritik: 19:41:53: LOL
Nylon: 19:42:06: sorry, I am finish up a long phone call and will catch up now
Nylon: 19:42:31: ...but i'm 100 % attention
aether9: 19:42:38: and some "justification" could be to see each location as a "transmission studio" ... sometimes to operator being visible, sometimes he transmits something...
ideacritik: 19:42:48: the highway could be our 'cohesive element' like the cards wer
ideacritik: 19:43:29: the transmission theme fits the audio i think
aether9: 19:43:29: could be.. a sort of "country music -> western -> highways" chain of thought
fe2cruz: 19:43:31: I like roads and rivers
Remote Control Monkey: 19:43:35: if highway, what about integrating maps (related to festival theme) - what about maybe live google earth maps of where we are each located?
ideacritik: 19:44:13: perhaps an analog version of this idea lucy?
fe2cruz: 19:44:23: as long as its a similar frame of converging lines to a horizon ahead.
boris: 19:44:31: (i assume all this is about the riding hood scenario :-)
aether9: 19:44:39: googlemaps >> poses an esthetic question..
Remote Control Monkey: 19:44:45: what about highways, with the visual that passes through as a boat? perhaps we could all get some kind of toyboat and "pass" it through the frames - storm, water, weather, journey, navigation...
fe2cruz: 19:44:57: actually on mapping + the band element
aether9: 19:45:01: boris: it's about the mapping festival performance
Remote Control Monkey: 19:45:01: Oh shit I was talking about mapping - got off the red riding
boris: 19:45:05: ah,
ideacritik: 19:45:12: LOL
ideacritik: 19:45:25: (the skype conversations make my day!) haha
Remote Control Monkey: 19:45:45: oh, I have a sailboat
Remote Control Monkey: 19:46:00: in the pacific that's been abandoned for a while - could be cool to use this mixed with toyboat
Remote Control Monkey: 19:46:23: I wonder if I could get live feed from the boat?
ideacritik: 19:46:37: i like the idea of the transport element being passed through frames - but i feel plane or car (because of highway) could be a bit more clear...
aether9: 19:46:52: yeah, it could be great for that performance to transmit from some "special" locations, not just inside an appartment...
Remote Control Monkey: 19:47:46: while we have landscape view - how could we add another layer - the something that connects all the frames - what could pass through that relates to highways - do we all have the same destination? do we all end up at a similar place?
fe2cruz: 19:47:50: open sea might be too much. and there aren't too many straigh rivers to take a boat on that would look like a highway here in southern california
Remote Control Monkey: 19:47:56: (highway in LA means traffic)
boris: 19:47:59: for mapping, i would really like there was some kind of "conference" as well. if some of the performers could stream their voice. it could be a dialogue.
boris: 19:48:07: like if there...
Remote Control Monkey: 19:48:09: OK, no boat
Remote Control Monkey: 19:49:00: what about the idea of the backseat driver? we all pair up and one of us gives instructions on which way to go to the remote driver...
Remote Control Monkey: 19:49:14: see where we end up
Remote Control Monkey: 19:49:26: the audience could also dictate where one of the drivers goes
ideacritik: 19:49:34: conceptually or literally?
Remote Control Monkey: 19:49:38: both
laure.dit: 19:50:00: some ways of describing the country, the cities where each of us lives, highways, streets, coffeeplaces, people...
laure.dit: 19:50:32: I must go guys, maybe if you're still there i can meet in 2 hours. if not : have fun
Remote Control Monkey: 19:50:36: is the idea to present the differences or similarities?
ideacritik: 19:50:48: this element which laure refers to could tie in well with the webcam functionality of the patch
ideacritik: 19:51:10: i think similarities makes more sense since they will look different anyway
ideacritik: 19:51:17: (more understandable?)
Remote Control Monkey: 19:51:43: how would we integrate pre-recorded with live feeds? visually and conceptually
aether9: 19:52:33: well, i'm purely brainstorming for the moment, no questions please ;)
fe2cruz: 19:52:39: i say fixed lines frames for each raod video clip with recordings from different local areas
ideacritik: 19:52:43: perhaps camera angle - webcams of streets and so on are often 'from above view'
ideacritik: 19:52:56: sorry what is fixxed line frame?
fe2cruz: 19:53:22: that way what ever highway local theme - day night urban suburban country you can input it into the cell but its still the same matching lines
ideacritik: 19:53:55: you mean horizon line or?
fe2cruz: 19:54:37: so its always /\
ideacritik: 19:54:58: i dont get it
aether9: 19:56:07: another thing that could be maybe interesting, are slow processual actions... like putting fire to some (wooden) thing and watch it burn slowly
Remote Control Monkey: 19:57:09: It needs some additional layer, either visual or story-based - like maybe we are all driving on a street with the same name (tranlated) - we find a common thread, or we are all driving "home" or...
Nylon: 19:57:22: I still have no camera at this moment but my 10.1 MP casio that can take short motion grabs.....but I am in NYC where the vertical landscape and all is amazing. I also can add the "subway" to the visual pallet.
paula vélez: 19:58:09: hi, i'm reading mails and everything... i didnt knew about this meeting because i didnt have the time to read this week
ideacritik: 19:58:22: hi paula!
paula vélez: 19:58:34: great the news about pàrticipating in mapping fest
paula vélez: 19:58:39: hi audrey
Nylon: 19:58:51: Hi...paula,
boris: 19:59:01: hola
Remote Control Monkey: 19:59:37: new brainstream...I like the idea of burning (and the elements) - if we all burned something in frame could be interesting - what if we held an object, like the water glass, and then burned a picture/drawing/representation of that object
paula vélez: 20:00:12: i was yesterday in meeting with organisers of little riding hood exposition.... 2 things: 1. it will be in april... 2. i must test internet connection and technical things to see if it is possible to doo it there.
Nylon: 20:01:11: #1 Riding Hood: I can work with bliscappenvanmaria to do something with voice….i think you call it “sprecht stemmen” you know like in Berthold Brecht plays. Anyway….there is a song…its on You tube called “Hey there Little Red Riding Hood” by Sam the Sham and the Pharaohs that nobody else would dream of doing as shoegaze
fe2cruz: 20:01:16: hey paula, have you seen the performance area? can there be a stage or outdoor projection or live element?
paula vélez: 20:01:19: let me read all your post first... will join you in 30 minutes... must do something to eat too but will do it at the same time.... ;)
ideacritik: 20:02:11: p.s. i really like this music from bliscappenvanmaria
aether9: 20:02:29: that's good :)
ideacritik: 20:03:10: (nice bass)
Remote Control Monkey: 20:03:23: i like too
paula vélez: 20:03:30: are you transmiting in this moment?
aether9: 20:04:10: i see brussels is (or has been) transmitting
Remote Control Monkey: 20:04:15: themes so far for mapping - movement/travel - elements/burning - any more ideas?
boris: 20:04:49: yes i showed how everything worked to a friend de passage from geneva, leticia.
ideacritik: 20:04:52: perhaps nice to add a rhythmic element
Nylon: 20:05:31: Rhythem is excellent with the visual motion or roads and rivers
Nylon: 20:05:55: sorry...typing too fast
aether9: 20:06:03: i'm wondering if it could be interesting to step into some iconic western/cowboy imagery ... on major moment of interaction could be a big shootout between frame 4 and 6 the middle frame (5) passing the bullets between them
boris: 20:06:24: i always dreamed of recording the sound of a long wlak down an alpine path.
boris: 20:06:27: walk
fe2cruz: 20:06:42: YES let's have a killin!
aether9: 20:06:51: you mean steps in the snow, boris?
boris: 20:06:52: yes more mysterious murders
Remote Control Monkey: 20:06:55: what about dividing the screen so that some frames are moving with images and the others with text - carrying on a conversation or telling a story or layering the visuals with some context that the viewers could grab onto
boris: 20:07:01: not on snow, on rocks.
Remote Control Monkey: 20:07:21: shootout is great idea
Nylon: 20:07:22: Boris...recording Alpine paths....IE: Janet Cardiff?
fe2cruz: 20:07:40: its gotta be transcontinental though
boris: 20:07:55: high paths, with the sound of glaciers and the streams... Cardiff? dunno.
fe2cruz: 20:07:58: the longest distanced showdown in western history
boris: 20:08:06: yeah---
aether9: 20:08:11: lucy, what do you mean with "frames are moving with images"
Remote Control Monkey: 20:08:40: maybe the text could reference our actual skype conversation during the performance intercut with dialogue from Western movies! I'd be down to do that - remember in first aether the League inserted text from the skype conversation onto the screen?
Nylon: 20:08:53: Cardiff is working out of TBA21.org in Vienna....lots of info on her there
Remote Control Monkey: 20:09:04: i mean some frames have the video of the highways and others have text or info
boris: 20:09:23: thanks Judy, looks interesting indeed.
aether9: 20:09:43: lucy, i was thinking of the possibility for each performer the have "subtitles" in his frame...
fe2cruz: 20:10:13: is that in a new patch? the subtitiles or does it exist already
aether9: 20:10:21: doesnt exist yet
Remote Control Monkey: 20:10:33: I like that, too - to talk about tech, is there a reason to use the patch and not evocam, that lets you type over the image and insert various elements really easily without coding?
Remote Control Monkey: 20:10:43: and it's free
aether9: 20:11:07: anyway, i think if we use this the text needs to have perfectly the same design
aether9: 20:11:14: evocam is now free?
Remote Control Monkey: 20:11:36: if it isn't I got it and can send it along (i assume it was free but sometimes...)
fe2cruz: 20:12:04: its shareware mac only
Remote Control Monkey: 20:12:31: we could agree on font size and color - not difficult
Remote Control Monkey: 20:12:54: oh, and placement - you can move the text around quite easily as well
aether9: 20:12:55: of course, and i have nothing against you using evocam ;)
Remote Control Monkey: 20:13:18: that's good cause it's super simple
fe2cruz: 20:13:51: i used fwink in the past on pc, mostly just because my webcam wouldn't register in max
Remote Control Monkey: 20:13:55: who is the shoot-out between?!
fe2cruz: 20:14:13: who has the best cowboy boots?
Remote Control Monkey: 20:14:20: anyone have access to a HORSE?
Remote Control Monkey: 20:14:43: (can you tell I'm eager to use live animals on-screen?
fe2cruz: 20:14:56: my nieghbor has a real wolf
fe2cruz: 20:15:07: all white
Remote Control Monkey: 20:15:08: wow! perfect for little red riding
fe2cruz: 20:15:14: probably have to prerecord though
fe2cruz: 20:15:28: he can't be directed to do anything
Remote Control Monkey: 20:15:37: shift for a minute from mapping to red riding?
aether9: 20:15:38: the advantages of the jitter patch are just: selecting servers on the fly, switching quickly between live and pre-recorded input, some additional image effects, selecting remote webcams as input...
aether9: 20:16:03: ok, let's shiift to red riding ,,
Remote Control Monkey: 20:16:09: those are definitely advantages
aether9: 20:16:59: the advantage of evocam is that it will never crash, i guess...
Nylon: 20:17:34: Can I suggest that we put all Red R. Hood....info onto the wiki to look at possibilities sonic, visual code....in an outline form
Remote Control Monkey: 20:17:57: disadvantage of jitter is I don't have the software - but maybe I can get - has the patch been working on Mac, and what version needed?
fe2cruz: 20:18:46: yeah should be able to upload lots of material since we have until april now
aether9: 20:19:11: lucy, if you want to try it out, take the most recent max and jitter download, you can use the runtime version (which is free).
fe2cruz: 20:19:39: yeah you can always run jitter free with manu's patch you just can't build with it
Remote Control Monkey: 20:20:00: all right, thanks
aether9: 20:20:23: and it's been reported working on mac..
aether9: 20:20:47: so .... riding hood has been discussed?
Nylon: 20:21:02: not to much
fe2cruz: 20:21:08: LRRH topics?
fe2cruz: 20:21:19: 1. images
fe2cruz: 20:21:22: 2. sound
fe2cruz: 20:21:25: 3. text
Nylon: 20:21:39: versions that we all should be familiar with??
Remote Control Monkey: 20:21:41: wolf!
aether9: 20:22:02: we could also develop the mappin performance as we wish, and simply add some wolf and little girl to make a riding-hood version out of it? ;)
fe2cruz: 20:22:06: sometimes she visits her mom or her grandma
Nylon: 20:22:13: Droll man, louche wolf?
fe2cruz: 20:22:14: sometimes its a coming of age story
fe2cruz: 20:22:24: path of the pins and needles vs the other path
fe2cruz: 20:22:49: sometimes she is locked in basement wearing iron clothes before she can go visit her mom
Remote Control Monkey: 20:22:52: animal rights?
fe2cruz: 20:23:00: sometimes the wolf makes her eat her mom
Nylon: 20:23:18: I always pictre the Neil Jorden movie..."The Company of Wolves"
Remote Control Monkey: 20:23:27: wolf is clever, sly - a story of seduction as well
Remote Control Monkey: 20:23:53: age vs beauty/ expreince vs. naivette
Nylon: 20:24:18: red hood, red blood, unemotional nature IE: nature is not motherly
paula vélez: 20:24:43: zut.... i think i will not b
fe2cruz: 20:25:08: tex avery has a camous version too
paula vélez: 20:25:11: be finally with you this time
Nylon: 20:25:20: That which is lost in the woods
paula vélez: 20:25:36: i want to talk about this subject too, i'm very motivated
Remote Control Monkey: 20:25:53: cookies - cookies are always yummy - girl's generosity is her own undoing, gives away her grandma's cookies
aether9: 20:26:23: tha't and internet methaphor..
paula vélez: 20:26:23: but there are some Vjs and visual artis that will arrive in seconds to prepare Medelink festival, i'm working in pre production thing to organise festival
Remote Control Monkey: 20:26:38: disguise - pretense - who is really the wolf? who is really innocent?
Nylon: 20:26:39: Allows the wolf to help her by carrying the rifle.......IE do be looking for help
Nylon: 20:26:55: don't
paula vélez: 20:27:09: dont have a lot of time this days.... but i promise i will read all this chat and post to tell you the ideas i have to do little riding hood
fe2cruz: 20:27:42: you're gonna make the interface give the viewers cookies when we show images of cookies in our cells?
paula vélez: 20:28:13: i have some bibliographie too, and some ideas of screen play
Remote Control Monkey: 20:28:21: nature and path to unhappy event - grandma is violently murdered, eaten
paula vélez: 20:28:24: ssee you, i must go, sorry
ideacritik: 20:28:35: bye!
fe2cruz: 20:28:40: by paula uplaod waht you can
ideacritik: 20:28:41: i
aether9: 20:28:41: grandmother is used as a troyan horse
Nylon: 20:28:47: during broadcast...withthe nine squares, can we consider projected light.....shadow play or perhaps woods and day darkening to be effected on site?
Remote Control Monkey: 20:28:56: I like that - giving cookies while we all eat a cookie, or maybe feed the wolf a cookie
Remote Control Monkey: 20:29:55: if a story what if the woods scene is represented in different modes in each frame - in some live footage, in other models and others drawing or animation...
fe2cruz: 20:30:20: like the stations of the cross
fe2cruz: 20:30:42: in woodcuts or shadowplay
fe2cruz: 20:31:10: or stained glass
Nylon: 20:31:39: Yes....slow change from light to darkness. Literally or......change from positive image to negative (filmic Xray image)
aether9: 20:32:05: the fact that the wolf is able to incorporate the grandmother suggests he's actually rather a werewolf..
boris: 20:32:06: i like this + / -
boris: 20:32:15: positiv/negativ playing
Remote Control Monkey: 20:32:29: story could be in some steps - ideas are - 1) journey in woods 2) eating/feeding the wolf/giving the audience the cookie 3) merge eating the cookie with violenct death (referencing grandma) 4) disguise and seduction - everyone in wolf masks, the real wolf with a human mask
Nylon: 20:32:36: I have a fold of artist images or X-rayed flowers on my HD because I like them....
boris: 20:32:50: i liked also the ideas with dogs, from Lucy if i rememeber. 8 dogs and 1 cat lol
Remote Control Monkey: 20:33:01: wolf/human merging is the werewolf theme
boris: 20:33:01: going from frame to frame
boris: 20:33:08: always a different cat-.--
Remote Control Monkey: 20:33:20: could the cat have a red cape?
boris: 20:33:21: x-ray miaw
Remote Control Monkey: 20:33:33: i don't have a cat but I could draw one or get a doll
Remote Control Monkey: 20:33:48: or is the cape too literal
boris: 20:34:13: le chat botté (from Lafontaine?) wears a cap traditionnaly no?
Remote Control Monkey: 20:34:24: right right
Remote Control Monkey: 20:34:40: sometimes a cap that is long with a cape
Remote Control Monkey: 20:34:45: (hood)
boris: 20:35:00: cape vs cap, different right.
Nylon: 20:35:07: Le Chat boote.....Puss in the Boots in English?
boris: 20:35:13: i guess.
Nylon: 20:36:09: You really must look at the Angela Carter book "The Bloody Chamber" on these tales
Remote Control Monkey: 20:37:19: this is kind of funny - a reference of how wolves and dogs are realated:
Remote Control Monkey: 20:37:20: http://www.nationalgeographic.com/xpeditions/lessons/08/gk2/dogsretriever.html
boris: 20:38:09: i must leave you as well. have a good talk and please send the total chat to the list. love, Boris
Remote Control Monkey: 20:38:11: what if we made our own evolutionary scientific exercise - on how wolves and human beings are related
Nylon: 20:38:28: The theory is that smart wolves finured out that food was plentiful and humans were not that dangerous and then crept closer to the fire and shape shifted and inbred for docility
aether9: 20:38:51: before boris leaves, do we quickly talk about payment etc?
Nylon: 20:39:17: OK....but it will not be a short conversation
fe2cruz: 20:39:18: i've always imagined the 9 cells being used as an educational interface
ideacritik: 20:39:45: sure - $
ideacritik: 20:39:51: boris is gone though
Remote Control Monkey: 20:39:53: For research and development, the League is interested in building the mythology behind some of these projects, with visuals, fake artifacts, etc. - if there's interest or space we'd be down to develop some side story that isn't necessarily in the performance
Remote Control Monkey: 20:40:25: (as we did for the remote fairytales)
Nylon: 20:40:26: I was interested in Chris's mention of investing some dosh in editioned items.....ah! and monkey too
Remote Control Monkey: 20:40:28: did that work out?
fe2cruz: 20:41:23: yeah sell the props, even on ebay
Remote Control Monkey: 20:41:28: i mean for remote fairytales, did the side story and fairtale generate nterest by viewers?
aether9: 20:42:02: you mean in brussels, where we showed it in last june?
Nylon: 20:42:29: I have met the people from Janus....litho editions. The set up is that they work with you up to an agreed artist proof and then produce the entire edition and sell it for a percentage....it is a can't lose arrangement if we can interest them in doing it
Remote Control Monkey: 20:42:31: yeah. i'm talking more about conceptual development around building a bigger context for the projects - not necessarily objects for sale
Remote Control Monkey: 20:43:13: not against selling, just curious whether there is interest in this r&d I'm proposing
aether9: 20:43:21: i didnt get too much feedback on this, probably the english text was a barrier for the people there...
Nylon: 20:43:54: but if we stop paying ourselves and then do not make objets that can be sold via gallerys....well how is this a solutio to dwindling money
aether9: 20:43:58: and the performance itself was already an information overload
Remote Control Monkey: 20:44:02: ah, translation would be key - is there perhaps funding for tranlation, or some one of us who could do?
Remote Control Monkey: 20:44:43: taking an interlude...back later
ideacritik: 20:44:47: i'm not sure whether i understand the 'bigger context' for the r&d - is why i'm not reacting.
Remote Control Monkey: 20:44:55: oh,
Remote Control Monkey: 20:45:38: not bigger context I guess, just side stories to add more narrative layers - and somehow somewhat scientific context
ideacritik: 20:47:12: it sounds interesting - its just that i have such a lack of idea of how to even begin to define a context - in this chaotic remote conversations we have. i mean, adding narrative layers is of course valuable - but adding to what? is what i'm not solid on. what is the basis?
ideacritik: 20:47:26: is that clear to anyone? or...
Remote Control Monkey: 20:47:26: maybe examples on our site: http://www.imaginaryscience.org - in experiments the childhood machine is a good example, with a math and science behind how we can return to childhood by riding the machine we developed - maybe this is far off but I would like to incorporate the focus of the League into our aether contributions - if there is interest
ideacritik: 20:48:23: that is all good to me -- its just the fundament upon which to base these layers which i dont see right now. does that make sense?
Remote Control Monkey: 20:48:35: perhaps this is not the focus of aether as a group, though it is what the league really does - contextualize events or stories in other ways
Nylon: 20:48:55: I think we need to move at least one foot into the 'actually or established marketplace' with someting editioned, that people want. Nothing we do will sell on ebay and the re-sale value of old stage items is nothing unless they either owned by Damian Hearst or Some one famous........what were the magic lanterns about that were produced by you'all in Brussels or Geneva....I forget
Remote Control Monkey: 20:49:06: yes, it does make sense - would have to be tied to story development and really integrated
fe2cruz: 20:49:47: is there a dealine for the editions?
ideacritik: 20:50:11: i imagine that it makes sense if we have a story - one we work with repeatedly - which might become iconic.
ideacritik: 20:50:37: i think i'm loosing the thread....
ideacritik: 20:50:45: (editions?)
Remote Control Monkey: 20:51:18: I'm curious - are the initial participants from the first workshop that worked with Manu and Boris still involved (the local collaborators)? are they going to be a part of this mapping, too?
Nylon: 20:51:39: If you are answering me.....No, I would have to re-connect and propose. But most of the artists they work with from the 60's are dead. Now they have Richard Sara and Balassarri (bad spelling) but were open to proposals.....i went to one of their presentations
aether9: 20:51:57: unless i push them, i think they wont
Remote Control Monkey: 20:52:12: would you want them to?
aether9: 20:52:20: (2 of them actually are subscribed to the list)
Remote Control Monkey: 20:52:56: they came up with some very fantastic layered thematic storylines - I reapeat this a lot - but that is my favorite interaction
Nylon: 20:53:10: That's a start. I was interested and always remembered those lanterns
Nylon: 20:53:27: or has the conversation drifted
Remote Control Monkey: 20:53:34: drift
aether9: 20:53:43: it was also very much audray, who made up those eather-tesla storylines..
Remote Control Monkey: 20:54:43: ah, perhaps she would have insight into LRRH or mapping this time - my excitement for these performances is triggered by the layering of stories
Remote Control Monkey: 20:54:47: & themes
ideacritik: 20:55:46: 'audray' is me....
Remote Control Monkey: 20:56:04: the shootout reminds me of this - great potential - ah, Audrey, you're still here - coool
Nylon: 20:56:12: The story doesn't have to re-occur in Aether, rather the character need re-occur. Easier, No? Have alook at the props and the on-site gear at tonidove.com.
aether9: 20:56:17: that's the reslut of those silly screennames .. :)
aether9: 20:56:25: result
ideacritik: 20:57:29: "The story doesn't have to re-occur in Aether, rather the character need re-occur." are you talking about performances in general of one specific one?
Nylon: 20:57:31: Tony made the duck robot to connect stories in doifferent times. Plus the rig they run the piece from on tour is made of modified sin-drum stands from the 80's and the blue lights are just there to be sexy
Remote Control Monkey: 20:57:42: not so much reoccur as in layers - not one story but many themes - how to make it experience-rich for the viewer - not mirrored actions or images but layers, like the three tier system
Nylon: 20:58:24: Thats Toni Dove (she) not Tony (he)
fe2cruz: 21:00:17: that'd be fun to sell limited edition aether towels with a bottle of sniffy stuff
Remote Control Monkey: 21:00:22: the dual dueling stories could be the visually large view and small, like forest fire and burning something on screen, mixed in with large and small stories, from themes of elements in nature to a walk in the woods...these are random examples - just to throw out to think about developing parallel stories for these next projects, so people have more narrative threads to follow and to be interested in...
ideacritik: 21:01:25: you know what -- i think i'm tired 'cause i'm really not understanding anything anymore - so maybe i'll politely float away... i wanted to ask something about grants so i'll write a mail. perhaps we should actually plan a rehearsal - like a playing around time slot... i'll try and get a camera. easier to test visual ideas... ok folks! ye-haa! pow pow pow!!!
Remote Control Monkey: 21:01:49: ok floating away
aether9: 21:02:16: ok.. so what with our "structured chat" ?
Nylon: 21:02:39: Bye.....this is getting down to 4 voices
Nylon: 21:02:57: Anyone want to continue?
Nylon: 21:03:51: I will.....start by asking about the mapping fest as i wasn't aroud last time
aether9: 21:04:16: that was the test run, first aether performance
Nylon: 21:04:39: I know just that much
aether9: 21:05:03: there was a group of people - a bunch of geneva art students, plus audrey and alejo - who developed a first dramatic script
Nylon: 21:05:21: is there a web site for the venue/is it a festival
aether9: 21:05:34: it's a festival, several venues
aether9: 21:05:48: http://www.mappingfestival.com
Nylon: 21:05:57: OK.....tell me more
Nylon: 21:06:04: Great
aether9: 21:07:48: i look if i find the first script.. as lucy says, it was very layered and dramatic... based on the 19th century theory of aether and the (somehow cliche'd) media art godfather nicola tesla..
Nylon: 21:08:30: Ok...if its at a University...can we sell T-shirts.... refering back to our started financial conversation
Nylon: 21:09:01: I read that script and translated a bit from French somewhere. I was very good
Nylon: 21:09:34: I prefer the material like that to anything cozy involving cookies
aether9: 21:10:46: the first video in the list on http://1904.cc/aether/
is from that performance..
Nylon: 21:11:12: But.....I am concerned about adding new contexts to Aether performances to increase the audiences....which is why I thought of art fair evening performances where an audience already is assembled
aether9: 21:11:18: T-shirts - why not, but we need to find a place to print (not cheap around geneva) and somebody to design them and somebody to sell them....
Nylon: 21:11:47: BUT......I can hear you thinking ....we do need to get it together a bit more
Nylon: 21:12:25: T-shirts are $4 each one colored printed in USA
aether9: 21:13:30: shirt included?
Nylon: 21:13:40: As long as they have our URL, and some discriptor of what we do.....there is bound to be an existing 9 box image done
Nylon: 21:14:34: with shirt $6.50....mind you these are plain cotton tees....nothing fancy
Nylon: 21:15:08: I have a hard drive folder on T-shirt printing too...and rock connections to printeres
Nylon: 21:15:42: There is hardly a band here that doesn't have a tee-shirt
aether9: 21:16:05: ok, so we definitely need that ..
fe2cruz: 21:16:28: since mapping would be with the band, could we sell something simple in conjunction with them?
aether9: 21:16:53: fe, you're right
fe2cruz: 21:17:15: i', sure they want to promote like crazy being a band
Nylon: 21:17:30: If we add them....we can't continue with the same design later. Unless they want to pay half....
fe2cruz: 21:17:55: plus with thier fan base at least a hand full of people will at least buy thier stuff if they have a fan base
Nylon: 21:18:26: It is a question of stencils. I would be delighted to send this info along. We can either silk screen or just use stencils
fe2cruz: 21:19:37: are usb flash drives cheap enough in geneva?
Nylon: 21:19:56: We can sell shirts because Aether is a great idea.
aether9: 21:20:38: i will repeat that to myself every morning
fe2cruz: 21:21:06: here at soundwalk06 they media and a cd in a nice package but only because we can get those little things for so cheap here
Nylon: 21:21:16: You should....thats what I mean about thinking without poverty fears
Nylon: 21:22:01: The trick is to be the first networked performance team that becomes known outside of the classroom
fe2cruz: 21:23:00: the shirt should have a design deadline by march then?
Nylon: 21:23:01: ...and thats what i say to myself each morning
Nylon: 21:23:37: Design should be done ASAP.....like now. Then there is getting them over there
Nylon: 21:24:07: I reccomend someone shipping with someone in their suitcase
aether9: 21:24:23: ok... will go trhough my screen captures to look for cutting-edge aether visuals
aether9: 21:24:47: so, you said ONE colour?
Nylon: 21:24:54: I am sloppy with illustrator but ...
aether9: 21:25:00: such as white on black or black on white?
aether9: 21:25:42: or pink on military green
Nylon: 21:25:44: Yes, one color is best......cheap.....silver on black, black on white, white on black
Nylon: 21:26:49: pink or orange on mil. green is good....but not complicated. not refined.....high contrast
Nylon: 21:27:45: also printed on one side....one screen.....think minimalist; should be easy !
aether9: 21:29:20: hmm, what i'm thinking now about, which could be a selling strategy
aether9: 21:30:13: (considering that whenever we tryied to sell nicely designed dvds at gallery openings, we sold close to nothing)
aether9: 21:31:47: would be to make a little series of VCDs (video-cd, cheaper than dvd, plays on dvd player) with a cheap cover design looking like the pirate stuff sold on the street by kids in south-east europe...
aether9: 21:31:59: like pirate copies for the aether fan base
Nylon: 21:33:52: On the website and through a link from myspace....and seriously, art fairs and stores...and give a few away to VIP types. Pirate copy style is good. These thing don't need to look like heirlooms. Some poeple just print a stencil on acitate, cut and spray paint....as loog as it looks great
Nylon: 21:34:28: I mean "looks good"
fe2cruz: 21:34:57: yeah in LA people only buy stuff with handmade packaging
fe2cruz: 21:35:01: we mostly don't even open and use the media inside
fe2cruz: 21:35:07: we just like the package so much
aether9: 21:35:16: the point of the "pirate" esthetic, is that it looks horrible, kitsch fonts, cheap bleeding color photocopy...
Nylon: 21:35:32: Here too. Like LA....we don't like chain store looking stuff
fe2cruz: 21:35:34: that's exactly what would sell at a little venue here
fe2cruz: 21:36:24: my friends sold cds in a paper bag with a cigarette
fe2cruz: 21:36:56: public smoking still allowed in geneva?
aether9: 21:37:17: not for long.. votations that weekend !
Nylon: 21:37:40: i would have worn one DJing next Wed if I'd had one....and I show stuff to London here;
Nylon: 21:38:05: New blog : http://rockpopfashion.com/blog
New clubnight : Coming soon
aether9: 21:38:47: before this chat totally drifts offtopic, i maybe introduce the "possible" new performers
aether9: 21:38:57: two people joined the list those last days
fe2cruz: 21:39:02: oh yeah final point
aether9: 21:39:15: there's Paola Guimerans, artist / designer from Galicia, Spain, currently studying in NY
Nylon: 21:39:20: NYC has changed....you used to be able to buy one or two cigarettes over the counter loose. We'd call them "Loosies"
aether9: 21:39:57: second, there's Laeticia Ramoz, that Boris and I know from Geneva- she's orignially from Uruguay, and generally very creative, energic and great person
Nylon: 21:40:06: OK new performers. What is the thoughs on guest spots by the famous?
aether9: 21:40:26: also, i've been contacted by a chinese artist who is interested in the project
aether9: 21:40:49: but not sure if she really intends to participate
Nylon: 21:40:53: I do live next door to the early vidoe poeple Judith Barry and Dan Graham also
fe2cruz: 21:41:23: i've always seen this as an open group yes please judy bring them in!
aether9: 21:41:33: judy.. have you got them to have a look at aether yet?
Nylon: 21:41:58: Cale has....I have never spoken to Barry or Graham
fe2cruz: 21:42:23: i've tried to get some filipino artists to join too but as with australia the timezome thing is just too rough
Nylon: 21:43:08: almost anyone can be reached. Moby lives around the corner too
Nylon: 21:44:05: BUT>>>>>again, we are a bit unorganized as to what exactly we are doing. Our website is more organized than we are at this point
Nylon: 21:45:10: it is hard to ask people aboard until we can ask for something specific....or we can ask them to try it annonomously
Nylon: 21:45:22: ....and then sort of leak it
aether9: 21:45:29: of course..
Nylon: 21:46:34: Do we have a counter to tell how much web traffic we have on 1904.cc?
aether9: 21:47:35: i can access the stats, but during performances it's very difficult to tell, because the reloading images generate too big logfiles
Nylon: 21:47:57: no....I meant just how many have read the site
aether9: 21:51:39: it says 200 visits per day for february 2008
Nylon: 21:52:15: I may have to go....work on my set for wednesday....and someone is coming here in an hour or so.....I am considering to sublet and go somewhere else for a bit
Nylon: 21:53:19: 200 a day is at least something....I hope it is not all just us.....checking.
Nylon: 21:54:43: Do you want me to send info on printing T-shirts anywhere or .....
aether9: 21:55:07: yes, please send
aether9: 21:55:35: no, i think it's not only us.. i just noticed this is an important referrer: http://kyberia.sk/net-cultures
Nylon: 21:57:33: There are 'over runs from manufacturing" for sale for $3 each on 14th St. .too......for just plain t-shirts. If one were to just screen/stencil some little by little.
Nylon: 21:58:16: That is here in NYC...14th street. Things are cheaper because of the dollar and because there is no VAT
Nylon: 21:58:57: Where exactly should I send tee info?
aether9: 22:00:28: to my email, ms AT 1904.cc
Nylon: 22:01:20: OK....will do
aether9: 22:01:34: and btw, i just finished uploading a complete screen capture of the CMYK perfo : http://1904.cc/~aether/archive/2008.02.CMYK_imal/
Nylon: 22:06:38: I'll grab that....too. I 'd hope to update you on some of the ideas that came up for me appling to the Creative Capital Grant here. I filled it out to do an quite involved adaptation of Satyricon by Petronius. Came upon a more sophisticated sort of folk tale that can be developed to show many related stories, one at a time in a 'road movie' format.....which might untangle what we do in Aether. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aristides_of_Miletus
fe2cruz: 22:12:16: i better run off too,night manuel, afternoon judy
Nylon: 22:12:32: Good Night....
Nylon: 22:13:19: Oh...confused I mean bye CC
Nylon: 22:14:32: Well....manuel, I guess there must be time to digest....so I will go too. Bye
aether9: 22:17:03: yep, bye!