From knickerbockerjuju at [nospam] yahoo.com Wed Aug 1 06:44:26 2007 From: knickerbockerjuju at [nospam] yahoo.com (Judy Nylon) Date: Tue, 31 Jul 2007 21:44:26 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [aether] Re : Re : Thoughts, and a riddle In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <584233.45929.qm {a+} web62305.mail.re1.yahoo.com> With thanks for the thoughtful observations so far. To recap Ideas I thought of value before they are lost: We are generating a large amt of email so forgive my lack of attribution, I will attempt to represent/include them from memory below: The idea that getting to know each other?s interests and back story will make for a better collaboration. It will also humanize the ?Manifesto? of sorts, which reading between the lines in the review from ACM, is clearly expected of us. Having looked at some of the links to other similar live performances, one thing that is different is that we are a group with a much greater spread of participants as equals. Another thing that makes us different from our historical past is our gender neutrality. It is hard for me not to notice that there are few women in this history until the 1990s. Curious since weaving and network and wheel style web organizations are historically more common in communication among women. Most of the others were mostly one or two person teams with the historical exception of : 1.>>>> Robert Adrian X, referring to his telecommunication project ?The World In 24 Hours? (1982), which was commissioned for the Ars Electronica festival, emphasized that the artistic dimension consisted precisely in not creating special objects but instead establishing ?communicative? occurrences between the participants. In what is considered to be one of the electronic realm's first collaborative writing projects, artists in sixteen cities on three continents were interconnected for twenty-four hours. During this time, they drafted a kind of telematic world map, a ?gesamt-datawork?[24] created over the telephone as well as then exotic apparatuses like telefacsimile (telefax) and slow-scan television (a type of early ?video telephone?). 2.>>>>>Roy Ascott[49] carried out his collaborative writing project ?La plissure du texte? in 1983 on the occasion of the ?Electra 1983? exhibition at the Mus?e d'Art Moderne de la Ville Paris. Organized by Frank Popper, the show was a survey of the usage of electricity in art. For ?La plissure du texte,? artists in eleven cities in Australia, North America and Europe jointly wrote a fairytale on different narrative planes.[50] The title was an allusion to Roland Barthes' book ?Le Plaisir du Texte.?[51] From December 11?23, 1983 the project was online twenty-four hours daily. However, It seems these were ?one offs?, not an ongoing development as is ours. We are far beyond this idea of "events or occurences" in our aim to build relationships among artists. Knowing that Boris is interested in silent film and Expressionist acting/visuals and that Audrey is interested in the Anthropological implications of mourning and the web or, in my case, that it is important to me to build upon the tenets of UK punk, by making sure that we are making an economically fair model for artists, a DIY model, a model that excludes no one for lack of access or materials, as an extension of net neutrality and the open source course of development .is crucial to shape this project, not as strangers, because we each stand in juxtaposition to each other and are read as a whole. I wish to know you all better. This may happen naturally as we travel and meet or Voip call, but my impatience wishes it could be achieved faster. Would one on one conversations help? Just as an aside while commenting on the medienkunstnetz piece that Aether linked to. Of the people mentioned in this piece, Dan Graham lives in the building next door to mine and I did attempt a conversation with Fred Forest (my French is appalling and he speaks no English) at a talk he gave at NYU last winter.) Liza Bear, Keith Sonnier Wolfgang Staehle (Thing net) and Willoughby Sharp are in the [neighbor]hood. In other words, these people (and anyone else since we can reach most public figures now) are still around. There is nothing to prevent us from have guest performers or soundtracks as would be interesting. This must probably wait until (as I think maybe Boris who suggested) that we find some way of licensing or getting a residency somewhere so that performance events can happen on a somewhat regular schedule at a regular URL. Part of what we must consider sharing in Aether is ?access? as well as production ability and information. We are building a cyborg entity (even if we think of it as a band) that absorbs the knowledge of all of us. Don?t you think that is the next step in the co-authorship and interactivity discussed? Can we break it out of the artist and academics? world and make it available to everyone? Would this not be what differentiates us from collaborative projects of the past? Audrey, I think, echoes a few of us in perceiving that the tech limitations might be turned to a boundary asset: ?the limitations of our communication media form a particular set of 'constraints' which inherently shape our performance together. perhaps my use of the word constraints is not just because it is usually derogatory. I see these constraints as borders from which to work with, in the same light as our 'low-tech one frame per second' refresh speed. I do not wish the frames to load quicker or to attain the perfect resolution. I prefer to take on this dimension and exploit it, in all its 'dramaturgical' glory. In the same way, I think we should exploit our 'thwarted' methods of communication. We often throw together a script at the last moment and more or less blindly perform all together without knowing what each other is doing. Could we take this on as some sort of methodology? Could this be made explicit as a performance tool?? That the League of Imaginary Scientists makes actual objects in their installations as did someone else ..I was falling through many links in a dreamlike absorption state .when I saw a model that looked like Brion Gysin?s dream machine (who made this?) Seeing it made me wonder if we might incorporate the hand written text on camera that Cym uses with the ?how to? notion of building art objects ?live? at remote locations with close cooperation between us. The success can be clearly judged by the end resultant object. To have an object as a symbol of remote collaboration is a good thing; historically it introduces something as new as a ?readymade? was in its day. Before now documentation was thin on the ground (Marina Abramovic's re-created performances of that which she never saw are truly of this moment). From now on there is to be a such a glut of digital documentation, that an 3D object would stand out. Language. Hmmmm. There is an art language that was born of the New French philosophy from 40 years ago. It implies emotional distance. It is vague and poetic while seeming to give great detail in code. I am somewhat put off by ?grant writing? and reviews written in this art language. It seems very 80?s. Pleading for a chance to be included in exhibitions (and this exasperation may be partly because of the language it is done in) feels like pandering to gatekeepers whose choices are not informed by the same process an artist goes through. That is not to say proposals are not necessary at all, but rather that taking the sole power of saying ?yes? or ?no? from gallerists and panels, by offering something that the general public wants, and subsequently festivals and galleries cannot afford to ?not include? in their presentation ..would be liberating ..even if it means dealing with the demons of publicity and branding to gain the ?juice? of being a known entity. Please accept these thoughts in the spirit in which they bubbled up....I am currently in NYC but not in my home so I am not available on-line all the time. I have been thinking about Aether. Did anyone record the performance in Bulgaria? JUDY The League of Imaginary Scientists wrote:Re: [aether] Re : Re : Thoughts, and a riddle Greetings to the aether, I am following along with this discussion ? in the next month it will be quite difficult for me to meet and ?play? - am in production on a film and installing a new interactive show, but will try. - Lucy of the League On 7/27/07 9:39 AM, "::audrey::" wrote: thanx for the summary/synthesis manu - very helpful. i agree that we should rehearse during these next weeks if/when possible for some of us. the feedback from ACM is very interesting. seems to be a general concensus about: "the paper provides enough details of how interaction with the work occurs: no (0)" this is interesting because it does reflect our recent comments to each other (and from the outside) about interaction be it with one another or between frames or... concerning making a video - i'm not sure how you planned to do that, who, when, with what material etc, and i know it's usually a 'one person job' - but i can offer my services there if needed. i looked for the proposal you submitted to ACM on the wiki but couldn't find it. it would be helpful to read it after reading the comments. concerning the french report: ce fut tres utile pour moi de le lire, pour comprendre un peu ou vous envisagez le futur. le rapport est detaille au niveau technique, les images sont tres bien integres et expliquent bien le projet. au niveau conceptuel c'etait pas aussi fort (j'aurais aime voir + de contenu par exemple de la presentation que tu as faite a geneve au debut du workshop -- historique, raison d'etre, un peu de theorie). au fait je ne sais pas pourquoi ce rapport a ete fait donc p-e ce n'etait pas dutout le but et veuillez excuser mes commentaires si c'est le cas. une section que j'ai trouve un peu moins convainquante et celle des developpements envisages. "Il est m?me envisageable que le spectateur ait ? sa disposition un ?panneau de commandes?, lui permettant d?intervenir sur la disposition des fen?tres ou sur des param?tres visuels (luminosit?, contraste, angles de cam?ra, etc)." je suis toujours tres sceptique des elements 'interactifs' qui ne semblent de ne pas avoir de but sauf l'interactivite en soit. il serait important d'?laborer pourquoi tel ou tel niveau d'interactivit? ? rapport au projet. voila. those were my thoughts. it is welcome to openly critique right? just want to make sure i'm not stepping on anyone's toes. i'm easily 'critically' excitable :) my availability in august: berlin august 1st-6th (can communicate - not practice/rehearse) hungary august 9th-?(16th) (incommunicado) the rest is open. audrey|ideacritik ----- Message initial ---- De : "1.1 [*] 1904.cc" <1.1 [*] 1904.cc> ? : //// collaborative networked performance //// Envoy? le : jeudi 26 juillet 2007, 18 h 51 min 54 s Objet : [aether] Re : Thoughts, and a riddle rid?dle 2 (rdl) n. 1. A question or statement requiring thought to answer or understand; a conundrum. 2. One that is perplexing; an enigma. message contents: 1. short reminder of the recent general comments 2. some news (project presentation in french, new HTML experiments...) 3. interesting feedback from ACM Multimedia 2007 hi all, i'm back from dortmund where i attended a highly interesting workshop on (weather-)satellite imagery interception. here in geneva the situation is tensed for the moment, the city just lost a major cultural hotspot, the 18-year-old squat Rhino which was evicted on monday afternoon by police forces. so much about the local news, now back to the aether-relevant topics: 1. INTERNAL FEEDBACK: i'm listing here the main points of the comments posted after the last performance. Lucy/League: - The first aether project still holds the most for me. - timing is essential. Coordination of objects moved from frame to frame, etc - live audio conference between us would help us to synchronize - Instead of a new theme for each new project - perhaps we could return to this study of an object, of coordination, of passing items through the frame and communicating more "physically" with one other? Nathalie: - synchronize more - develop more clearly different parts of events with sounds - Maybe we can imagine alternance between interaction and bubble world Cym: - i would prefer to work on developing one script/story board, and use it for each performance. - the script of the very first performance was good. - shorter 5-10 min compositions/actions. - the technical part should be working before the performance starts - messages on a piece of paper Audrey: - we are still quite disconnected during these performances. (...) i feel that networked performance does not make sense if there is no real interaction between the members of the network - as cym noted, using text, written on a piece of paper as we did in the first performance, was really nice - i imagine inmates passing each other notes between jailcells, all being watched on simultaneously by the jailguard on nine tiny screens hooked up to those surveillance cameras Judy: - a text on the software set-up could be posted on the Aether site - Rehearsing pieces/scripts as modular pieces until we flow with them is really necessary Luka: - problem of transfer / translation of certain connections between people - concerning the technical aspects, i think it's hard to unify technical aspects here a few comments: - i'm in favor of working, as Cym proposes, on shorter 5-10 min actions. But this doesn't solve the question of the global, main theme/concept of the performance. Also, obviously, during the last performances, we did all the preparations in a much too short time. Since for the moment no performances are scheduled, we should use that time to develop and rehearse regularly... - the text documentation for the technical/software part is slowly developing on the wiki, but still has to become more complete. - i also like the hand-written text, rather than text superimposed on the picture by software (which creates a too great distance IMO) 2. NEWS: aether9 schematics (basic aether concept unveiled) http://1904.cc/~aether/material/schema/aether9_schema03.jpg recent aether9 project presentation (in french): http://1904.cc/~aether/material/Aether9_dossier_FR.pdf new HTML test with variable opacity (javascript): http://1904.cc/aether/live/opacity/opak_fade_out.html i'm also gonna check how this looks with cycling images... 3. FEEDBACK FROM ACM MULTIMEDIA INTERACTIVE ARTS PROGRAM: They give a detailed and very interesting review of our submission (wich consisted of this document: http://1904.cc/aether/material/PROJECT_STATEMENT.pdf ) Also they propose us to present a video in an exhibition and online, which would be great of course. Some postproduction work waits for us now... --- Dear authors, apologies for the delayed information from our side but we needed the time to carefully investigate your submission with respect to suitability as well as presentability. At the end, the curatorial committee decided that a performance cannot be presented life at this years ACM MM arts exhibition. Yet, we could offer the option of presenting a video of your artwork during the time of the exhibition in a special room in the exhibition space. This offer would also include a permanent exhibition on the SIG MM video page, where not only the video but also an up to four page paper can be presented. Please have a look at the current web environment for getting an idea (http://www.sigmm.org/apache/video/). Please note, the 2007 page which is currently under development is the first where arts videos will be incorporated too. The current format will be the same only that the arts will get an additional section. In case you are interested please get in touch with Thomas Rist (tr at rz.fh-augsburg.de), who is the local chair and thus handles all the requirements for the exhibition. In case you are interested in providing a video, you will receive an additional email from Frank Nack (Frank.nack at liris.cnrs.fr), who is responsible for the video page at SIGMM. The results of the review process will be delivered in an additional mail. We do look forward to hearing from you soon Kindest regards --- ------- Reviews ----- ======= Review 1 ======= > *** Suitability: Suitability for the ACM MM Art program: Strong (8) > *** Relevance: Relevance to the theme "I / You / Other": Strong (8) > *** Artistic merit: Please rate the artistic merit: Good solid work of some artistic merit (8) > *** Use of technology: Use of technology to support the artistic concept: OK (6) > *** Interaction: The paper provides enough >details of how interaction with the work occurs: yes (2) > *** Technical merit: Technical merit OK (6) > *** Technical detail: The paper provides enough >technical details of how the work was built: no (0) > *** Organisation: Please rate the readability and organization of the paper: Needs considerable work (4) > *** Award: Nominate for best EXHIBITION PAPER award?: no (0) > *** Confidence: Confidence in your review >(based on your understanding of the paper and >familiarity with the subject matter): Confident (8) > *** Overall rating: Please provide an overall rate for the paper+art work: Accept if room (marginal quality) (6) > *** Overall rating art: Please rate the art work only: Accept if room (marginal quality) (6) > *** Overall rating paper: Please provide a rate for the paper: Accept if room (marginal quality) (6) > *** Summary: Summary of the proposal: Aether9 is a project that intends to offer a framework for collaborative video performance over the internet. > *** Comments A: Comments for the authors: The idea of the project is appealing and very relevant to the ACM MM Exhibition. Furthermore the examples on the website are artistically compelling. However, some issues should be addressed for this project to be a definite "yes" on my side: - This is obviously not the first and only video collaborative project over the internet. The authors should at leas mention some of the others and make a case of why their approach is different. - On the technical side not many details are offered. The fact that Max/MSP and PD appear a few times in the proposal but Jitter and GEM are not even mentioned comes like a surprise on a video proposal. I also wonder why the authors do not share their software on their website in the form of Max/PD patches and/or externals. Promoting collaboration from "outside" the group might be an interesting issue to explore. ======= Review 2 ======= > *** Suitability: Suitability for the ACM MM Art program: Strong (8) > *** Relevance: Relevance to the theme "I / You / Other": Strong (8) > *** Artistic merit: Please rate the artistic merit: Excellent work (10) > *** Use of technology: Use of technology to support the artistic concept: high (8) > *** Interaction: The paper provides enough >details of how interaction with the work occurs: no (0) > *** Technical merit: Technical merit high (8) > *** Technical detail: The paper provides enough >technical details of how the work was built: no (0) > *** Organisation: Please rate the readability and organization of the paper: Needs considerable work (4) > *** Award: Nominate for best EXHIBITION PAPER award?: no (0) > *** Confidence: Confidence in your review >(based on your understanding of the paper and >familiarity with the subject matter): Confident (8) > *** Overall rating: Please provide an overall rate for the paper+art work: Accept if room (marginal quality) (6) > *** Overall rating art: Please rate the art work only: Definitely accept (very high quality) (10) > *** Overall rating paper: Please provide a rate for the paper: Likely reject (low quality) (4) > *** Summary: Summary of the proposal: the paper describes a shared internet based platform for a collaborative realtime video environment. > *** Comments A: Comments for the authors: the project appears to be a most interesting approach to a shared video environment, that relates to important concepts in the past, utilising a sound technical approach with available software and hardware components in order to build an esay-to-use interface. unfortunately, the provided information in regards to technical solutions, both in the paper and in the additional materials on the web site, are too brief to give a good overview to the piece. a coherent description of the final artistic outcome and user experience is missing, as well as information about how the proposed environment facilitates visual and/or textbased storytelling (as mentioned in the subtitle). the paper is certainly a very free interpretation the ACM template, and unfortunately important parts are either brief (introduction, technical environment, user interface, evaluation etc) or missing (proper citation and references). it is recommended to revise the paper for final submission. ======= Review 3 ======= > *** Suitability: Suitability for the ACM MM Art program: Not bad (6) > *** Relevance: Relevance to the theme "I / You / Other": Not bad (6) > *** Artistic merit: Please rate the artistic merit: Good solid work of some artistic merit (8) > *** Use of technology: Use of technology to support the artistic concept: high (8) > *** Interaction: The paper provides enough >details of how interaction with the work occurs: no (0) > *** Technical merit: Technical merit OK (6) > *** Technical detail: The paper provides enough >technical details of how the work was built: no (0) > *** Organisation: Please rate the readability and organization of the paper: Needs considerable work (4) > *** Award: Nominate for best EXHIBITION PAPER award?: no (0) > *** Confidence: Confidence in your review >(based on your understanding of the paper and >familiarity with the subject matter): Confident (8) > *** Overall rating: Please provide an overall rate for the paper+art work: Accept if room (marginal quality) (6) > *** Overall rating art: Please rate the art work only: Accept (good quality) (8) > *** Overall rating paper: Please provide a rate for the paper: Likely reject (low quality) (4) > *** Summary: Summary of the proposal: The paper describes the goals for an experiment in collaborative storytelling through a networked video transmission. A series of performances are planned, but have not yet taken place. Mailing lists and online discussions happen currently between the collaborators. Seems a promising approach but far to early to evaluate for an exhibition. Unless a work in progress with open outcome is acceptable for the exhibtion. > *** Comments A: Comments for the authors: A promising approach and would be very interesting how you develop the mechanisms of collaboration for storytelling via internet and new media. ----------- _______________________________________________ aether mailing list aether at [nospam] 1904.cc http://lists.1904.cc/mailman/listinfo/aether --------------------------------- Combattez les m?chants pourriels... Le filtre SpamGuard vous aide ? lutter efficacement contre les pourriels sur le Tout-nouveau Yahoo! 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URL: http://lists.1904.cc/pipermail/aether/attachments/20070805/cf634432/attachment.html From alejoduque at [nospam] gmail.com Mon Aug 6 10:16:22 2007 From: alejoduque at [nospam] gmail.com (alejo d) Date: Mon, 6 Aug 2007 10:16:22 +0200 Subject: [aether] Re : RE : Re: RE : tonight at 22 CEST In-Reply-To: <581361.33414.qm {a+} web50211.mail.re2.yahoo.com> References: <581361.33414.qm {a+} web50211.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Message-ID: hola audrey, On 8/6/07, ::audrey:: wrote: > > just to say - on mac osx - with pd39.2-extended test7 - > pdp_v41 couldn't create > pdp_ieee1934 couldn't create > pdp_spigot couldn't create > pdp_yqt couldn't create > pdp_theorin couldn't create > > those are the missing objects. test7 was the most recent version a few months ago already. it >might have changed. though from the pd developers i have heard that they are only working on >further development of pdp for the intel macs... so there is no real hope for mac users (pre-intel) >and pdp. i have linux on my comp specifically for pd (pdp...). this is not correct, pdp and pidip are more or less "frozen" projects since few years now..the development is slow, very slow and they seem to be stable, the developers are not using or developing for intel-macs.. (perhaps you talk with tom schouten and im wrong on the side of pdp) but, on the contrary i can tell that yves the developer of the streaming objects (pidip) is far from doing a further development concentrated only on intel-macs, actually it took like 2 years to see his objects working on ppc and the tricky things where solved by the community on the pd-list and by hans cristoph steiner who gets the structure to produce the pd-autobuilds. those work since a month under ppc machines aka g4 like the one you have, i can tell this cause just yesterday i was using them again. try to download this version: http://autobuild.puredata.info/auto-build/2007-07-30/Pd-0.39.3-extended-rc5-macosx104-powerpc.dmg Pd-0.39.3-extended-rc5-macosx104-powerpc.dmg30-Jul-2007 05:44 39M and most importantly move or delete any file from your /Library/Preferences folder that makes reference to pd... namely: org.puredata.plist hope this helps, and enjoy it in berlin.. i head to the mountains :) /a actually i might try to stream from saas fee any of the open lectures: www.egs.edu i will keep the list posted as soon as i get the program and the technical situation of the room.. From theleague at [nospam] imaginaryscience.org Thu Aug 9 10:23:06 2007 From: theleague at [nospam] imaginaryscience.org (The League of Imaginary Scientists) Date: Thu, 09 Aug 2007 10:23:06 +0200 Subject: [aether] Re : Thoughts, and a riddle In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Dear fellow aethernauts, I write to you from an airplane - appropriate I think - to be in between places... I also much appreciate the summation below, and think the invitation to produce documentation for exhibition is a good catalyst for us. We should determine quite soon whether this is feasible, what is needed, and who will coordinate - any offers? In response to the question of context (our performances in relationship to net/art historical events) - specifically, what makes our work innovative - I wonder whether this is indeed an important question. In one sense, if our interactions are truly about distilling communication and "meeting" one another in/along a network, then the connection itself IS important, regardless of the continuum of conceptual development of networked communities: we ARE a community (see Alejo's 7/15 email: "we are that real people, think about the different nationalities and places from where we 'connect', think of this group as a basis for a wider community.. or for joining or extending others. We are the natural result of the work that came before us.") However, if this connectivity (community) is what we are after, then we must make REAL connections during our performances (see past messages of Aethernauts commenting on disconnectedness during live performances). On a conceptual aside - the first Aether performance conflated mythology with technology (aether and ether), historical science and narcotics - the layers embedded in the underlying concepts made that particular performance strong. Combine this conceptual depth with community (evidenced by passing physical objects, coordination in text and audio, and real interaction), and I think we ARE in fact on to something NEW. Last fall, while artist in residence at CalArts (school in LA), I worked with grad students on a model for interaction that became an interactive method for exchanging data - in effect, we had a tea party with artists in Australia (part of their Electrofringe festival), and passed virtual teacups back and forth. This is an ongoing League project that I would like to develop more, perhaps with Aethernauts joining in on the tea party... I wonder if we should propose pieces for Aether, decide as a group what to focus on, then submit to festivals, vs. have many dates lined up and respond to these invitations. That said, I would be happy to revisit the first aether theme/ further develop that narrative with more coordinated interactions... Notes from the sky, Lucy (League) On 7/26/07 6:51 PM, "1.1 [*] 1904.cc" <1.1 [*] 1904.cc> wrote: > > > rid?dle 2 (rdl) > n. > 1. A question or statement requiring thought to > answer or understand; a conundrum. > 2. One that is perplexing; an enigma. > > > > message contents: > > 1. short reminder of the recent general comments > 2. some news (project presentation in french, new HTML experiments...) > 3. interesting feedback from ACM Multimedia 2007 > > > > hi all, > i'm back from dortmund where i attended a highly > interesting workshop on (weather-)satellite > imagery interception. here in geneva the > situation is tensed for the moment, the city just > lost a major cultural hotspot, the 18-year-old > squat Rhino which was evicted on monday afternoon > by police forces. so much about the local news, > now back to the aether-relevant topics: > > 1. INTERNAL FEEDBACK: i'm listing here the main > points of the comments posted after the last > performance. > > Lucy/League: > - The first aether project still holds the most for me. > - timing is essential. Coordination of objects moved from frame to frame, etc > - live audio conference between us would help us to synchronize > - Instead of a new theme for each new project - > perhaps we could return to this study of an > object, of coordination, of passing items through > the frame and communicating more "physically" > with one other? > > Nathalie: > - synchronize more > - develop more clearly different parts of events with sounds > - Maybe we can imagine alternance between interaction and bubble world > > Cym: > - i would prefer to work on developing one > script/story board, and use it for each > performance. > - the script of the very first performance was good. > - shorter 5-10 min compositions/actions. > - the technical part should be working before the performance starts > - messages on a piece of paper > > Audrey: > - we are still quite disconnected during these > performances. (...) i feel that networked > performance does not make sense if there is no > real interaction between the members of the > network > - as cym noted, using text, written on a piece of > paper as we did in the first performance, was > really nice > - i imagine inmates passing each other notes > between jailcells, all being watched on > simultaneously by the jailguard on nine tiny > screens hooked up to those surveillance cameras > > Judy: > - a text on the software set-up could be posted on the Aether site > - Rehearsing pieces/scripts as modular pieces > until we flow with them is really necessary > > Luka: > - problem of transfer / translation of certain connections between > people > - concerning the technical aspects, i think it's > hard to unify technical aspects here > > a few comments: > - i'm in favor of working, as Cym proposes, on > shorter 5-10 min actions. But this doesn't solve > the question of the global, main theme/concept of > the performance. Also, obviously, during the last > performances, we did all the preparations in a > much too short time. Since for the moment no > performances are scheduled, we should use that > time to develop and rehearse regularly... > - the text documentation for the > technical/software part is slowly developing on > the wiki, but still has to become more complete. > - i also like the hand-written text, rather than > text superimposed on the picture by software > (which creates a too great distance IMO) > > > 2. NEWS: > > aether9 schematics (basic aether concept unveiled) > http://1904.cc/~aether/material/schema/aether9_schema03.jpg > > recent aether9 project presentation (in french): > http://1904.cc/~aether/material/Aether9_dossier_FR.pdf > > new HTML test with variable opacity (javascript): > http://1904.cc/aether/live/opacity/opak_fade_out.html > i'm also gonna check how this looks with cycling images... > > > 3. FEEDBACK FROM ACM MULTIMEDIA INTERACTIVE ARTS PROGRAM: > > They give a detailed and very interesting review > of our submission (wich consisted of this > document: > http://1904.cc/aether/material/PROJECT_STATEMENT.pdf > ) > Also they propose us to present a video in an > exhibition and online, which would be great of > course. Some postproduction work waits for us > now... > > --- > > Dear authors, > > apologies for the delayed information from our > side but we needed the time to carefully > investigate your submission with respect to > suitability as well as presentability. At the > end, the curatorial committee decided that a > performance cannot be presented life at this > years ACM MM arts exhibition. > > Yet, we could offer the option of presenting a > video of your artwork during the time of the > exhibition in a special room in the exhibition > space. This offer would also include a permanent > exhibition on the SIG MM video page, where not > only the video but also an up to four page paper > can be presented. Please have a look at the > current web environment for getting an idea > (http://www.sigmm.org/apache/video/). Please > note, the 2007 page which is currently under > development is the first where arts videos will > be incorporated too. The current format will be > the same only that the arts will get an > additional section. > > In case you are interested please get in touch > with Thomas Rist (tr at rz.fh-augsburg.de), who is > the local chair and thus handles all the > requirements for the exhibition. In case you are > interested in providing a video, you will receive > an additional email from Frank Nack > (Frank.nack at liris.cnrs.fr), who is responsible > for the video page at SIGMM. > > The results of the review process will be delivered in an additional mail. > > We do look forward to hearing from you soon > > Kindest regards > > --- > > ------- Reviews ----- > > ======= Review 1 ======= > >> *** Suitability: Suitability for the ACM MM Art program: > Strong (8) > >> *** Relevance: Relevance to the theme "I / You / Other": > Strong (8) > >> *** Artistic merit: Please rate the artistic merit: > Good solid work of some artistic merit (8) > >> *** Use of technology: Use of technology to support the artistic concept: > OK (6) > >> *** Interaction: The paper provides enough >> details of how interaction with the work > occurs: > yes (2) > >> *** Technical merit: Technical merit > OK (6) > >> *** Technical detail: The paper provides enough >> technical details of how the work was built: > no (0) > >> *** Organisation: Please rate the readability and organization of the paper: > Needs considerable work (4) > >> *** Award: Nominate for best EXHIBITION PAPER award?: > no (0) > >> *** Confidence: Confidence in your review >> (based on your understanding of the paper and >> familiarity with the subject matter): > Confident (8) > >> *** Overall rating: Please provide an overall rate for the paper+art work: > Accept if room (marginal quality) (6) > >> *** Overall rating art: Please rate the art work only: > Accept if room (marginal quality) (6) > >> *** Overall rating paper: Please provide a rate for the paper: > Accept if room (marginal quality) (6) > >> *** Summary: Summary of the proposal: > > Aether9 is a project that intends to offer a > framework for collaborative video performance > over the internet. > >> *** Comments A: Comments for the authors: > > The idea of the project is appealing and very > relevant to the ACM MM Exhibition. Furthermore > the examples on the website are artistically > compelling. However, some issues should be > addressed for this project to be a definite "yes" > on my side: > > - This is obviously not the first and only video > collaborative project over the internet. The > authors should at leas mention some of the others > and make a case of why their approach is > different. > > - On the technical side not many details are > offered. The fact that Max/MSP and PD appear a > few times in the proposal but Jitter and GEM are > not even mentioned comes like a surprise on a > video proposal. I also wonder why the authors do > not share their software on their website in the > form of Max/PD patches and/or externals. > Promoting collaboration from "outside" the group > might be an interesting issue to explore. > > ======= Review 2 ======= > >> *** Suitability: Suitability for the ACM MM Art program: > Strong (8) > >> *** Relevance: Relevance to the theme "I / You / Other": > Strong (8) > >> *** Artistic merit: Please rate the artistic merit: > Excellent work (10) > >> *** Use of technology: Use of technology to support the artistic concept: > high (8) > >> *** Interaction: The paper provides enough >> details of how interaction with the work > occurs: > no (0) > >> *** Technical merit: Technical merit > high (8) > >> *** Technical detail: The paper provides enough >> technical details of how the work was built: > no (0) > >> *** Organisation: Please rate the readability and organization of the paper: > Needs considerable work (4) > >> *** Award: Nominate for best EXHIBITION PAPER award?: > no (0) > >> *** Confidence: Confidence in your review >> (based on your understanding of the paper and >> familiarity with the subject matter): > Confident (8) > >> *** Overall rating: Please provide an overall rate for the paper+art work: > Accept if room (marginal quality) (6) > >> *** Overall rating art: Please rate the art work only: > Definitely accept (very high quality) (10) > >> *** Overall rating paper: Please provide a rate for the paper: > Likely reject (low quality) (4) > >> *** Summary: Summary of the proposal: > > the paper describes a shared internet based > platform for a collaborative realtime video > environment. > >> *** Comments A: Comments for the authors: > > the project appears to be a most interesting > approach to a shared video environment, that > relates to important concepts in the past, > utilising a sound technical approach with > available software and hardware components in > order to build an esay-to-use interface. > unfortunately, the provided information in > regards to technical solutions, both in the paper > and in the additional materials on the web site, > are too brief to give a good overview to the > piece. a coherent description of the final > artistic outcome and user experience is missing, > as well as information about how the proposed > environment facilitates visual and/or textbased > storytelling (as mentioned in the subtitle). > > the paper is certainly a very free interpretation > the ACM template, and unfortunately important > parts are either brief (introduction, technical > environment, user interface, evaluation etc) or > missing (proper citation and references). it is > recommended to revise the paper for final > submission. > > ======= Review 3 ======= > >> *** Suitability: Suitability for the ACM MM Art program: > Not bad (6) > >> *** Relevance: Relevance to the theme "I / You / Other": > Not bad (6) > >> *** Artistic merit: Please rate the artistic merit: > Good solid work of some artistic merit (8) > >> *** Use of technology: Use of technology to support the artistic concept: > high (8) > >> *** Interaction: The paper provides enough >> details of how interaction with the work > occurs: > no (0) > >> *** Technical merit: Technical merit > OK (6) > >> *** Technical detail: The paper provides enough >> technical details of how the work was built: > no (0) > >> *** Organisation: Please rate the readability and organization of the paper: > Needs considerable work (4) > >> *** Award: Nominate for best EXHIBITION PAPER award?: > no (0) > >> *** Confidence: Confidence in your review >> (based on your understanding of the paper and >> familiarity with the subject matter): > Confident (8) > >> *** Overall rating: Please provide an overall rate for the paper+art work: > Accept if room (marginal quality) (6) > >> *** Overall rating art: Please rate the art work only: > Accept (good quality) (8) > >> *** Overall rating paper: Please provide a rate for the paper: > Likely reject (low quality) (4) > >> *** Summary: Summary of the proposal: > > The paper describes the goals for an experiment > in collaborative storytelling through a networked > video transmission. A series of performances are > planned, but have not yet taken place. Mailing > lists and online discussions happen currently > between the collaborators. Seems a promising > approach but far to early to evaluate for an > exhibition. Unless a work in progress with open > outcome is acceptable for the exhibtion. > >> *** Comments A: Comments for the authors: > > A promising approach and would be very > interesting how you develop the mechanisms of > collaboration for storytelling via internet and > new media. > > > ----------- > _______________________________________________ > aether mailing list > aether at [nospam] 1904.cc > http://lists.1904.cc/mailman/listinfo/aether The League of Imaginary Scientists From knickerbockerjuju at [nospam] yahoo.com Thu Aug 9 18:55:54 2007 From: knickerbockerjuju at [nospam] yahoo.com (Judy Nylon) Date: Thu, 9 Aug 2007 09:55:54 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [aether] Fwd: [node-l] Reminder: Open Call INTIMACY Across Visceral & Digital Performance, Deadline: 19 August! Message-ID: <102279.604.qm {a+} web62315.mail.re1.yahoo.com> I am now back in my tiny NYC dollhouse in Nolita for the foreseeable future. I will get a bit of help here to be able to join the next live performance (I have no assistants but can seek tech help among studio friends). Please find attached the info regarding a possible performance in December. I feel it might be a good one to go after as "intimacy" is an issue we keep skirting around in the development of the Aether unit. I am available to develop any necessary text with whomever; I suggest we start building a descriptive text between only two of us, and then present it to the group for development. Viz......sound and ways to incorporate timelessness: http://www.futureloopfoundation.com/ This artist contacted me through myspace....I thought it interesting...for a time spectrum/memory layer on a live performance. Lucy's idea to develop the tea party that had been previously done might need visual development and offer more depth with pre-recorded (and treated) sound. Lucy, if the plane ride is back to LA...shall we speak via phone at you convenience? Regards to all, JUDY Note: forwarded message attached. --------------------------------- Ready for the edge of your seat? Check out tonight's top picks on Yahoo! TV. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.1904.cc/pipermail/aether/attachments/20070809/cd777ed9/attachment.html From theleague at [nospam] imaginaryscience.org Fri Aug 10 13:24:25 2007 From: theleague at [nospam] imaginaryscience.org (The League of Imaginary Scientists) Date: Fri, 10 Aug 2007 13:24:25 +0200 Subject: [aether] FW: (re)Actor 2: 2nd call for propsals In-Reply-To: <49561.217.36.229.192.1186743972.squirrel {a+} webmail01.lancs.ac.uk> Message-ID: Hey group, I proposed an all on-line piece by the League with the Aether collective to (re)Actor 2 ( http://www.digitalliveart.com/ - has a flickering image from League's telematic performance at last year's conference) They are considering. This would be 9/10 - we could all be remote, or anyone in London in September? I will let you know as soon as I hear back from them. Everyone seems to be in agreement - revisit/isolate a past theme and keep it very simple... LUCY/ League The League of Imaginary Scientists ------ Forwarded Message From: Date: Fri, 10 Aug 2007 12:06:12 +0100 (BST) To: Cc: Alice Bayliss Subject: Re: FW: (re)Actor 2: 2nd call for propsals Hi Lucy - The conference Chairs are meeting next Wednesday and we will put this on our agenda as an item to discuss. We will let you know next week whether or not we can accommodate your performance - sounds great! Best wishes, Alice & Jenn ------ End of Forwarded Message From theleague at [nospam] imaginaryscience.org Tue Aug 14 02:41:51 2007 From: theleague at [nospam] imaginaryscience.org (The League of Imaginary Scientists) Date: Tue, 14 Aug 2007 02:41:51 +0200 Subject: [aether] The League's latest adventure... Message-ID: FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE: ?Ladies and Gentlemen of the press and public, we present to you The Childhood Machine!? LADEMOEN KUNSTNERVERKSTEDERS VISNINGSROM FOR KUNST! Sted: Babel, Mellomveien 4, Trondheim Periode: 17.08. - 26.08. 2007 ?pningstider: torsdag-fredag kl 14 - 18, l?rdag-s?ndag kl.12 - 16 ?pning Fredag 17. AUG KL. 19 ? 21 THE LEAGUE OF IMAGINARY SCIENTISTS ER ?RETS GJESTEKUNSTNER FRA LOS ANGELES AND NORWAY > > The League of Imaginary Scientists http://www.imaginaryscience.org is a > non-exclusive society for creative scientists, mechanically-inclined artists, > absurdist inventors, and self-proclaimed quacks (think subterfuge meets > centrifuge). The League specializes in building mega-media constructions of > scientific mythologies. Media artist Lucy H. G. is a returning LKV > artist-in-residence http://www.lkv.no/gjeste-arkiv-lucy-griesbach.htm, having > worked and exhibited in Trondheim in winter, 2005 > http://www.workofbox.com/catalog/beneath3.html. As Dr. L. Hernandez Gomez, > she acts as coordinating researcher for the League, pulling from the > collective creativity of local and remote artists to realize interactive > mega-media installations. Collaborators for The Childhood Machine include > Matt Solomon from Los Angeles, artists Anne Helga Henning and P?l B?yesen of > Trondheim, with remote engineering by Jeremy Schwartz and Steve Shoffner in > Los Angeles and sound development by Imaginationandmymother in London. > > The Childhood Machine, presented at Babel Art Space, is an interactive kinetic > installation that incorporates newer-than-new age idea therapy to transport > viewers to their past ? a return to childhood. The League?s engineering > division developed The Childhood Machine in the hopes of reversing the > psychological and ecological damage wrought by Western Civilization. The > machine is designed to reverse Progress in a complicated process of regression > that requires precise mental and atmospheric conditions (78% childlike > curiosity and 22% humidity). Visitors to the exhibit, as children, will > inevitable grow up again: time, it is revealed, is a bi-cycle. > > The exhibition includes the interactive childhood machine, a participatory > fill-in-the-timeline of the collective childhood of the city of Trondheim, a > documentary on the development of The Childhood Machine, artifacts from > childhood, and an acoustic flight of fancy. In addition, an online search > engine will permit viewers to search time?s index for isolated moments in > childhood. The machine itself works in coordination with mental exercises > developed by Ms. MU. > > Dr. L. Hernandez Gomez will give a lecture on the regressive process of > decivilization at the opening reception on Friday, August 17th. > > This exhibition was made with the support of the Royal Norwegian General > Consulate, the community of artists at Lademoen Kunstnerverksteder, Trondheim > Electronic Arts Centre (TEKS), Clas Ohlson, and the city of Trondheim, whose > discarded bicycles proved constructive. ARTIST AT WORK: Dr. L. Hernandez Gomez reverted to childhood during the project?s development > This interactive, mechanized mega-media installation requires your unabashed > gleeful participation. The Childhood Machine reveals the collective > trajectory of humanity through time, backwards. Join the League of Imaginary > Scientists on a mechanical foray into the past, to answer these questions... What happens when bicycles mate? Is regression necessarily a bad thing? How to proceed, backwards? /// The Childhood Machine is a contraption designed to heal humanity, by reversing the seemingly untreatable condition called PROGRESS. Participating researchers include Doctors L. Hernandez Gomez, J. Johansen, Stephan Schleidan, and Wm. T. Madmann from Los Angeles, with imaginary therapist Ms. MU (Anne Helga Henning) and imaginary male P?l B?yesen from Trondheim; acoustic exercise provided by Dr. Imaginationandmymother. ?When you feel something is problematic but you don?t know the name of it yet ? the space that is there that you don?t see.? > - Ms. MU diagnosing the ailment called Western Civilization > The League of Imaginary Scientists leads in the area of especially soft science. League specialists involved in constructing The Childhood Machine... []::: Imaginary Therapist Ms. MU specializes in idea therapy, the new practice for solving problematic situations caused by Western Civilization. []::: The subhuman boy, P?l B?yesen, is an imaginary male constructed from the collective memory of Norwegian fairytales. []::: Inverse Biologist Dr. L. Hernandez Gomez examines the external state of the internal organs. Connecting the Dots is her recently published manual to the human body. []::: Professor J. Johansen, an expert in bagology, is the inventor of the bottomless paper bag. []::: The illustrious Dr. Stephan Schleidan, the founder of tunnel theory, is the only scientist known to conduct his research within a black hole. []::: Evil genius Professor William T. Madmann, recipient of the Josef Mengele award in 1973, is best known for his seminal research on kitten asphyxiation. []::: Dr. Imaginationandmymother specializes in acoustitherapy for the ligyrophobic. 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Name: not available Type: image/gif Size: 3346 bytes Desc: not available Url : http://lists.1904.cc/pipermail/aether/attachments/20070814/d9c502e2/attachment.gif From ideacritik at [nospam] yahoo.ca Wed Aug 15 19:34:55 2007 From: ideacritik at [nospam] yahoo.ca (::audrey::) Date: Wed, 15 Aug 2007 10:34:55 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [aether] Re : FW: (re)Actor 2: 2nd call for propsals Message-ID: <286155.82256.qm {a+} web50208.mail.re2.yahoo.com> hi all - have been offline and not read all the mails but i will be at that festival - (re)actor. more later... audrey ps it's in Leeds. i'll be there at the latest on sunday to set up. ----- Message initial ---- De : The League of Imaginary Scientists ? : //// collaborative networked performance //// Envoy? le : vendredi 10 ao?t 2007, 13 h 24 min 25 s Objet : [aether] FW: (re)Actor 2: 2nd call for propsals Hey group, I proposed an all on-line piece by the League with the Aether collective to (re)Actor 2 ( http://www.digitalliveart.com/ - has a flickering image from League's telematic performance at last year's conference) They are considering. This would be 9/10 - we could all be remote, or anyone in London in September? I will let you know as soon as I hear back from them. Everyone seems to be in agreement - revisit/isolate a past theme and keep it very simple... LUCY/ League The League of Imaginary Scientists ------ Forwarded Message From: Date: Fri, 10 Aug 2007 12:06:12 +0100 (BST) To: Cc: Alice Bayliss Subject: Re: FW: (re)Actor 2: 2nd call for propsals Hi Lucy - The conference Chairs are meeting next Wednesday and we will put this on our agenda as an item to discuss. We will let you know next week whether or not we can accommodate your performance - sounds great! Best wishes, Alice & Jenn ------ End of Forwarded Message _______________________________________________ aether mailing list aether at [nospam] 1904.cc http://lists.1904.cc/mailman/listinfo/aether Combattez les m?chants pourriels... Le filtre SpamGuard vous aide ? lutter efficacement contre les pourriels sur le Tout-nouveau Yahoo! Courriel http://us.rd.yahoo.com/evt=40705/*http://mrd.mail.yahoo.com/try_beta?.intl=cf -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.1904.cc/pipermail/aether/attachments/20070815/d9a0eb87/attachment.html From fougeras_nathalie at [nospam] yahoo.fr Fri Aug 17 12:05:33 2007 From: fougeras_nathalie at [nospam] yahoo.fr (fougeras nathalie) Date: Fri, 17 Aug 2007 12:05:33 +0200 (CEST) Subject: [aether] interaction between us / bubble Message-ID: <425842.85310.qm {a+} web26613.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> I will like to return more largely on than I want to say by an alternation between being in interaction between us and to be in his bubble. Initially, what does a listener see us? This screen with several windows. Thus a scenography of these images on the projected common interface. It is a shared space and which is thus divided between our various universes around the same scenario. The listener itself will sweep this screen, will alternate between a universe and another to look at and which is held in same time. It does not pay its attention on totality more especially as here we speak about a listener who looks not in front of a screen of computer but in front of a very broad screen. It thus fixes a detail for reading: it is its course which it creates while choosing to follow such or such window of a universe-bubble, then to pass to another, etc. It is thus also a little divided itself between several choices to be made in same time. This space thus invites it to be shared between a choice and another. It saw itself like anybody divided by his choices. I can compare our device here with that of a friend who initiated and carried out a software called Wj-s: http://www.wj-s.org/ to call several bookmarks Internet, each one on a physical screen different distributed in same space from projection of a room. In this space of performance where it is received, the screens are consequently put in network a such control of screens. It invites an artist to play with his device. In each performance it is thus a new scenario dependent on the choices of the bookmarks of the artist and its management of the performance. The guest thus takes the hand on the piloting of these parallel postings of the screens during the performance. For the account, it is rather what is written in real time by the guest and his choices of impromptu postings of pages Internet. It is the preliminary choice of bookmarks but an intuitive management of postings - to connect with the rate/rhythm of actualization of the screens. Maintaining as a spectator of this device Wjs software: I am also in front of a device multi-screens and I must choose to look at a screen and another in the vicinity, to create my own course of reading. Sometimes I am attracted by the change on one of the screens, other times I decide to follow what occurs in one from them. I can to arrive at to read simultaneously up to 2 or 3 screens - screen of computer which is comparable with the windows of our common interface - and then to associate 2 or 3 parallel stories according to also my site and my distance with its screens. The site of the spectator, his retreat necessary of the projection screen to read 2 or 3 parallel stories thus depends also on the room where we expose to take into account the fact that remotely sufficient 2 or 3 windows can be read like only one and in this case to Split screen (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Split_screen_%28film%29) & refers; the film Timecode (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Timecode_%28film%29) I thus refer to several combined stories: that of the first experiments of live remotely (electronic coffee...), that of Split screen like forms cinematographic where times and space are put in prospect like account, that of VJing. We make another thing that VJing maybe. And at the same time we write a possibility of moving the history of VJing since this most immediate effect of flow. We seek to indeed dig in this displacement another possibility of writing. I want to say that they are several stories at the same time and the affiliations are thus multiple. The identity of aether is thus connected with plural stories as in echo with this double attempt at performer into live and images interactions together and to see the singular universe of each one. I would thus be interested to work this track of writing of a scenario each time initiated by a person different from our group. To test the scenario of the other to adapt it each one with our images, our cohabitations on aether to be exposed. Cheers Natali _____________________________________________________________________________ Ne gardez plus qu'une seule adresse mail ! Copiez vos mails vers Yahoo! Mail From fougeras_nathalie at [nospam] yahoo.fr Fri Aug 17 12:08:40 2007 From: fougeras_nathalie at [nospam] yahoo.fr (fougeras nathalie) Date: Fri, 17 Aug 2007 12:08:40 +0200 (CEST) Subject: [aether] Scenarios according to the tracks between us Message-ID: <860561.36257.qm {a+} web26601.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> SCENARIOS according to the tracks: /////// to write between us: in reference to the list of objects given at the time of our first performances, to papers by Cym and Audrey and objects and actions by Lucy, to alternation between interaction and bubble / - a person puts a question or describes an object with a person designated on paper for an action with this object... - On paper: first name + object. - In return, the end of the action, this person asks another on a paper to make another action with the same object or a different object and so on... We then create a course between us and thus in the image for the spectator as we spoke about it. To indicate which is "present" really behind this image at the screen (first name or nickname) a course will thus be defined starting from a list of "names" and a list of "objects" or "actions". The account will thus be written in the image by this course. The course is the account. - a person who is not designated makes a different action but continues to observe when one will call it. - To envisage and estimate a time and delay on image to be integrated into this average duration of an action. End of the course: - When a person was designated 2 times for example. The first name is then also - and in more of the paper posted with the screen during the performance - to note on the cat text to remember us and list in real time the names called (the cat text is used then as support with the scenario with this continuation of names). - Or the course can be finished when the objects are all called or the actions all carried out. /////// to decipher between us (:)) in reference to the rhythmic scenario around the figures about which Chris spoke / - We could put space in figures with our sites of left on the right of the screen or according to a predefined list: 1 = a person/2 = another person/3 =.../4 =.../5 =.../6 =.../7 =.../8 =.../9 =.../ - Zero unit (that on the patch max or any analogical or numerical meter). - the Every 1 minute (?) a verbal advertisement of a figure by that which takes the hand (via skype or the patch its "shout_patch"). ? the person of the indicated figure takes the hand on the sound (2 both patchs "video transmitter" for the capture of images and "shout_patch" for the sound capture can be at the same time open). ? the images with the screen are free well account of each one (or) a general topic is given (some words to describe this topic) ? the sound which takes the hand will call the listener with: 1 to seek in the image (or) 2 to think that it comes from a particular site (or) 3 to be a sound except field (voice off, mix of voice, its of another action,..) That which is indicated gives the next figure at the end of 1 minute etc. (the duration can also change: the person gives in first the figure of the site then the figure of the duration: "1 and 2" for example). End of the performance: - Us to give one duration of performance (final time which will appear on the meter). - Or to exhaust us in the time (a performance which has of end only when the listeners leave./in this case it is necessary to be on the spot and in the last of list in a festival and to prevent that that will be able to remain to light during the dresser or pauses etc.) - Or more, us to exhaust in a given longer time and in which us "performers" we leave each one gradually. there can be a list of those which want to leave in first etc.) /////// to approach between us - Set of relay between images: to turn the head in top, bellow, on the left, according to the site of the person to be indicated on the right near to us on the interface with the screen. I think here more particularly of a scenography of our sites and the visual interaction between us. - One can then imagine to create a course live of our glances As this play (to find it on Internet) where it is necessary to give in order then to demolish the order and to remake etc. - a face turned (or) a finger which indicates (or) a drawn arrow, etc. - the other people are of face or back or except field etc. A circulation enters the images made account. - This form of account can last a certain time (to be defined by the time or the graph of a circulation envisaged between our frames) Fine of the performance: - Duration to be given for this play - Time of introduction which lasts a time (to be defined) and opens over the second time: the last person designated in the first time designates with the image her neighbour, then draws an end of drawing not finished the poster with the screen leaves it with the screen the designated neighbour draws a prolongation with this drawing (which is thus on the left, right-hand side, high or low of the drawing) according to what it sees or wants to say. Until the whole of the interface is filled by this drawing. -- Our interface: A question with the programmers of the interface: is it possible that the size and the sites of the images of the interface change according to a performance and another? Because this interface makes also the account, I thus think of sites and cuts which would be according to our account: on two or three images or several according to the development of the account so as to prolong our interaction with the imag by also creating a scenography of the scenario (and numbers it people which can take part in it/this number can it also make the scenario...) (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Split_screen_%28computer_graphics%29) -- See you soon Natali _____________________________________________________________________________ Ne gardez plus qu'une seule adresse mail ! Copiez vos mails vers Yahoo! Mail From 1.1 [*] 1904.cc Fri Aug 17 13:14:55 2007 From: 1.1 [*] 1904.cc (1.1 [*] 1904.cc) Date: Fri, 17 Aug 2007 13:14:55 +0200 Subject: [aether] midsummer news update Message-ID: hello all, with the summer heat, aetheric communication is slowing down to a more relaxed tempo.. also i was quite busy completing applications for various grants, residencies etc from which development of aether could benefit (isea2008 and the swiss artists-in-labs program) as well as resolving tedious software issues.. the latest news so far: - payment for the amsterdam show arrived on our swiss account!! the amount is 488.90 CHF (= 300 EUR). how do we redistribute this? i guess for this amount it's not worth yet to implement the big utopian aether economic system we were talking about some time ago.. would it be fair to redistribute it simply to the participants of the rotterdam event? (which are: chris, laure, manuel [performers], boris [audio], audrey [organisation]) or should we also count the participants of the following commissioned performance, pleven hotel? (but in this case the amount will be quite small). - i spent some time developing the "historical background" part of aether9, including as many projects as i could find documentation on, taking in account some inputs, like alejos recent postings.. this research should hopefully take at some moment a more structured shape, an essay or something.. here is an "overview" page: http://1904.cc/aether/timeline.html - i did some further software experimentation, mainly to understand how to work with Puredata, and how to send audio to an icecast server (some how-to documents will follow). on the following page i gathered links to all the software we developed, in max, pd or whatever: http://1904.cc/aether/software.html - I also installed successfully an Icecast (audio streaming) server under OSX on a mac powerbook. The idea, which was mentioned already, is to have in future performances several sound-performers, hence several audio-streams, which are mixed at some place. for this also, a big how-to document will be helpful.. - for the same reason, i'm experimenting with port forwarding, using a dyndns service.. so from time to time my computer is now "publicly accessible" here: http://form.ath.cx .. you can have a look and tell me if it works (will put there also an ogg audio stream) other software-related news items: - max/jitter patch 116 is available, it implements an easyer way to keep all the server info up to date, since all this info (access codes, filepaths and so on) is simply stored in a text file. - http://1904.cc/~aether/kode/max_image_upload/ - skype is down today... so i used that opportunity to open a gizmo account, my ID : xsetpointer (if any of you creates an account, mind that the name needs minimum 8 characters.. which is written nowhere!) performance/content-wise: - thanks Lucy for involving aether9 in the (re)Actor2 event in London for Sept 10th. I'm in! - Nathalie, can i ask you if you wrote your comments also in french? if yes please send them in french too, i think it will be clearer to me. Some things i'm not sure i understand correctly, such as changing the size / sites of the interface according to the performance... - some ideas for the performance content.. I'm still thinking it could be interesting to work on an existing litterary text, to have something like a solid base.. and of course i was thinking quite automatically that we could "re-adapt" the scores of some of the early Dada performances -- i remember there are some texts written for several voices, to be read simultaneously (by tzara, huelsenbeck and others...). I know it's maybe a bit overeused and clich? (almost as clich? as Tesla..), but on the other hand who ever really read the texts beyond just quoting the names? Also, it's quite funny to observe how the dadaists were confronted to quite similar problems as we are, organisation-wise.. A quotation: "Breton a le pressentiment de l'impasse dada: ?Chaque fois qu'une manifestation est pr?vue - naturellement par Tzara qui ne s'en lasse pas - Picabia nous r?unit dans son salon et nous sommes, l'un apr?s l'autres pri?s d'avoir pour cette manifestation, des id?es. Finalement la r?colte n'est pas tr?s abondante.? Le morceau de r?sistance ?tant in?vitablement un texte de Tzara, en l'occurence une deuxi?me aventure de monsieur Antipyrine." In english: ?[In 1920] Breton has the impression Dada is running into a dead end: "Each time an event is prepared -- of course by Tzara who is never tired of it -- Picabia gathers us in his living room, and we are asked, one after the other, to produce ideas for this event. Finally the harvest is not very abundant. The _main dish_ being always a text of Tzara, in this case the _second adventure of Mr Antipyrine_.? (source: http://www.n3krozoft.com/_xxbcf67373.TMP/doc/tzara.html ) - on the other hand i'm not 100% convinced if this is the direction to go, there could be the danger that the dada texts are a bit too abstract/nondescriptive, increasing the "random" element instead of giving us a narrative base to build upon .. - what would be very useful, in order to see where we're heading to, would be to make a list of the topics/contents/elements each of us is the most interested in .. i suggest we put this on the Wiki: http://www.1904.cc/timeline/tiki-index.php?page=topics+and+keywords ... then maybe, from all the ingredients, we can try to cristallise one consistent storyline.. - i quote a recent post by Judy: ?possible performance in December. I feel it might be a good one to go after as "intimacy" is an issue we keep skirting around in the development of the Aether unit. I am available to develop any necessary text with whomever; I suggest we start building a descriptive text between only two of us, and then present it to the group for development.? - yes, more details about the context of the performance please (where/how?) -- about writing texts, "official" material is here, and waits of course to be extended/developed : http://1904.cc/~aether/material/ (latest version : aether_dossier_v08.doc )... under "schema" you find a nice graphic of the aether project.... btw, you all can access / upload things to this directory via ftp, server is 1904.cc, the usual username and password applies. more soon, best manuel From fougeras_nathalie at [nospam] yahoo.fr Fri Aug 17 15:56:55 2007 From: fougeras_nathalie at [nospam] yahoo.fr (fougeras nathalie) Date: Fri, 17 Aug 2007 15:56:55 +0200 (CEST) Subject: [aether] Scenarios autour de nos pistes Message-ID: <511532.33108.qm {a+} web26608.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> Hi all, i translated by internet but chat is cat :) sorry i didn't time to verify it then i give the french version too: ///////Nous ?crire : en r?f?rence ? la liste d?objets donn?e lors de nos premi?res performances, aux papiers par Cym et Audrey et objets et actions par Lucy, ? l?alternance entre interaction et bulle - Une personne pose une question ou d?crit un objet ? une personne d?sign?e sur le papier pour une action avec cet objet - Sur le papier : pr?nom + objet. - En retour, ? la fin de l?action, cette personne demande ? une autre sur un papier de faire une autre action avec le m?me objet ou un objet diff?rent et ainsi de suite Nous cr?ons alors un parcours entre nous et donc dans l?image pour le spectateur comme nous en parlions. D?signer qui est ? pr?sent ? r?ellement derri?re cette image ? l??cran (pr?nom ou surnom) Un parcours se d?finira donc ? partir d?une liste de ? noms ? et une liste d?? objets ? ou ? actions ?. Le r?cit s??crira donc dans l?image par ce parcours. Le parcours est le r?cit. - Une personne qui n?est pas d?sign?e fait une action diff?rente mais continue ? observer quand on va l?appeler. - Pr?voir et estimer un temps et le retard sur image ? int?grer ? cette dur?e moyenne d?une action. Fin du parcours : - Quand une personne a ?t? d?sign?e 2 fois par exemple. Le pr?nom est alors aussi - et en plus du papier affich? ? l??cran pendant la performance - ? noter sur le chat texte pour nous souvenir et lister en temps r?el les noms appel?s (le chat texte sert alors de support au sc?nario avec cette suite de noms). - Ou encore le parcours peut se finir quand les objets sont tous appel?s ou les actions toutes r?alis?es. ///////Nous d?chiffrer  en r?f?rence au sc?nario rythmique autour des chiffres dont parlait Chris - Nous pourrions mettre l?espace en chiffres avec nos emplacements de gauche ? droite de l??cran ou selon une liste pr?-d?finie : 1 = une personne / 2 = une autre personne / 3= / 4= / 5= / 6= / 7= / 8= / 9= / - Partir du compteur ? z?ro ensemble (celui sur le patch max ou tout compteur analogique ou num?rique). - Toutes les 1 minute ( ?) une annonce verbale d?un chiffre par celui qui prend la main (via skype ou le patch son ? shout_patch ?). - La personne du chiffre d?sign? prend la main sur le son. (les 2 deux patchs ? video transmitter ? pour la capture d?images et ? shout_patch ? pour la capture sonore peuvent ?tre ouverts en m?me temps). - Les images ? l??cran sont libres du r?cit de chacun (ou) bien un th?me g?n?ral est donn? (quelques mots pour d?crire ce th?me) - Le son qui prend la main va appeler l?auditeur ? : 1/ chercher dans l?image (ou) 2/ ? penser qu?il vient d?un emplacement particulier (ou) 3/ ?tre un son hors champ (voix off, mix de voix, son d?une autre action, ..) Celui qui est d?sign? donne le prochain chiffre au bout de 1 minute etc.. (la dur?e peut aussi changer : la personne donne en premier le chiffre de l?emplacement puis le chiffre de la dur?e : ? 1 and 2 ? for example). Fin de la performance : - Nous donner une dur?e de performance (le temps final qui appara?tra sur le compteur). - Ou encore nous ?puiser dans le temps (une performance qui n?a de fin que lorsque les auditeurs partent.. / dans ce cas il faut ?tre sur place et en dernier de liste dans un festival et pr?venir que ?a pourra rester allumer pendant le buffet ou pause etc..) - Ou plus g?rable, nous ?puiser dans un temps plus long donn? et dans lequel nous ? performers ? nous partons chacun progressivement.. il peut y avoir une liste de ceux qui veulent partir en premier etc..) ///////Nous approcher Entre nous - Jeu de relais entre images : tourner la t?te en haut, en bas, ? gauche, ? droite selon l?emplacement de la personne ? d?signer proche de nous sur l?interface ? l??cran. Je pense ici plus particuli?rement ? une sc?nographie de nos emplacements et ? l?interaction visuelle entre nous. - On peut alors imaginer de cr?er un parcours live de nos regards Comme ce jeu (le trouver sur internet) o? il faut remettre en ordre puis d?faire l?ordre et refaire etc.. - Un visage tourn? (ou) un doigt qui d?signe (ou) une fl?che dessin?e, etc.. - les autres personnes sont de face ou de dos ou hors champ etc.. Une circulation entre les images fait r?cit. - Cette forme de r?cit peut durer un certain temps (? d?finir par le temps ou le graphe d?une circulation pr?vue entre nos frames) Fin de la performance : - Dur?e ? donner pour ce jeu - Temps d?introduction qui dure un temps (? d?finir) et ouvre sur un second temps : la derni?re personne d?sign?e dans le premier temps d?signe ? l?image son voisin, puis dessine un bout de dessin non fini l?affiche ? l??cran le laisse ? l??cran Le voisin d?sign? dessine un prolongement ? ce dessin (qui se trouve donc ? gauche, droite, haut ou bas du dessin) selon ce qu?il voit ou veut dire. Jusqu?? ce que l?ensemble de l?interface soit remplie par ce dessin. - Un troisi?me temps : un changement al?atoire de chacun des dessins peut finir la performance (dur?e ? donner) Les bouts de dessin des uns et des autres ne sont pas d?finis par la d?signation d?un voisin Les dessins se compl?tent les uns avec les autres selon l?actualisation possible de nos voisins sur l?interface, etc.. Le son ici peut ?tre trait? comme ces dessins : modulations / cuts / changement d?univers -- ///////Notre interface ?: Une question aux programmeurs de l?interface : est-il possible que la taille des images dans l?interface changent selon une performance ? l'autre ? Car cette interface fait aussi le r?cit, je pense donc ? des emplacements et taille qui seraient pr?vues en fonction de notre r?cit : sur deux ou trois images ou plusieurs selon le d?veloppement du r?cit de mani?re ? prolonger notre interaction ? l?image (cr?ant aussi une sc?nographie du sc?nario avec le param?tre du nombre de personnes qui peuvent y participer / ce nombre peut il aussi faire le sc?nario? etc ) (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Split_screen_%28computer_graphics%29) -- _____________________________________________________________________________ Ne gardez plus qu'une seule adresse mail ! Copiez vos mails vers Yahoo! Mail From fougeras_nathalie at [nospam] yahoo.fr Fri Aug 17 16:02:26 2007 From: fougeras_nathalie at [nospam] yahoo.fr (fougeras nathalie) Date: Fri, 17 Aug 2007 16:02:26 +0200 (CEST) Subject: [aether] interactions entre nous / bulles - french version Message-ID: <533260.33130.qm {a+} web26601.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> //...continuation..: J?aimerai revenir plus largement sur ce que je veux dire par une alternance entre ?tre en interaction entre nous et ?tre dans sa bulle. En premier lieu, qu?est-ce qu?un auditeur voit de nous ? Cet ?cran ? plusieurs fen?tres. Donc une sc?nographie de ces images sur l?interface commune projet?e. C?est un espace partag? et qui se partage donc entre nos diff?rents univers autour d?un m?me sc?nario. L?auditeur va lui-m?me balayer cet ?cran, va alterner entre un univers et un autre ? regarder et qui se d?roule dans le m?me temps. Il ne porte pas son attention sur la totalit? d?autant plus qu?ici nous parlons d?un auditeur qui regarde non devant un ?cran d?ordinateur mais devant un ?cran tr?s large. Il fixe donc un d?tail pour lire : c?est son parcours qu?il cr?e en choisissant de suivre telle ou telle fen?tre d?un univers-bulle, puis de passer ? une autre, etc. Il est donc aussi un peu partag? lui-m?me entre plusieurs choix ? faire dans le m?me temps. Cet espace l?invite donc ? ?tre partag? entre un choix et un autre. Il se vit lui-m?me comme personne partag?e par ses choix. Je peux ici comparer notre dispositif ? celui d?une copine qui a initi? et r?alis? un logiciel de Vjing appel? Wj-s: http://www.wj-s.org/ pour appeler plusieurs bookmarks internet, chacun sur un ?cran physique diff?rent r?parti dans le m?me espace de projection d?une salle. Dans cet espace de performance, les ?crans sont mis en r?seau telle une r?gie d??crans. Elle invite un artiste ? jouer avec son dispositif. Dans chaque performance c?est donc un sc?nario in?dit li? aux choix des bookmarks de l?artiste et ? sa gestion de la performance. L?invit? prend ainsi la main sur le pilotage de ces affichages parall?les des ?crans durant la performance. Pour le r?cit, c?est plut?t ce qui s??crit en temps r?el par l?invit? et ses choix d?affichages improvis?s de pages internet. C?est le choix pr?alable de bookmarks mais une gestion intuitive des affichages - ? relier avec le rythme d?actualisation des ?crans. Maintenant en tant que spectatrice de ce dispositif Wjs : je suis ?galement devant un dispositif multi-?crans et je dois choisir de regarder un ?cran et un autre ? proximit?, cr?er mon propre parcours de lecture. Parfois je suis attir?e par le changement sur un des ?crans, d?autres fois je me d?cide de suivre ce qui se passe dans l?un d?eux. Je peux arriver ? lire simultan?ment jusqu?? 2 ou 3 ?crans ? ?cran d?ordinateur qui est comparable aux fen?tres de notre interface commune ? et alors associer 2 ou 3 histoires parall?les selon ?galement mon emplacement et ma distance avec ses ?crans. L?emplacement du spectateur, son recul n?cessaire de l??cran de projection pour lire 2 ou 3 histoires parall?les d?pend donc ?galement de la salle o? nous exposons pour prendre en compte le fait qu?? distance suffisante 2 ou 3 fen?tres peuvent ?tre lues comme une seule et dans ce cas se r?f?re au split screen (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Split_screen_%28film%29)& le film Timecode (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Timecode_%28film%29) Je me r?f?re donc ? plusieurs histoires conjugu?es : celle des premi?res exp?riences de live ? distance (caf?s ?lectroniques..) , celle du split screen comme forme cin?matographique o? temps et espace sont mis en perspective comme r?cit, celle du VJing. Nous faisons autre chose. Et ? la fois nous ?crivons une possibilit? de d?placer l?histoire du VJing depuis cet effet le plus imm?diat du flux. Nous cherchons ? creuser dans ce d?placement une autre possibilit? d??criture en effet. Je veux dire que ce sont plusieurs histoires ? la fois et les affiliations sont donc multiples. L?identit? de aether s?apparente donc ? des histoires plurielles comme en ?cho ? cette tentative double de performer en live et de voir l?univers singulier de chacun. Je serais donc int?ress?e pour travailler cette piste d??criture d?un sc?nario ? chaque fois initi? par une personne diff?rente de notre groupe. Essayer le sc?nario de l?autre pour l?approprier chacun avec nos images, nos co-habitations sur aether ? exposer _____________________________________________________________________________ Ne gardez plus qu'une seule adresse mail ! Copiez vos mails vers Yahoo! Mail From fougeras_nathalie at [nospam] yahoo.fr Fri Aug 17 16:44:54 2007 From: fougeras_nathalie at [nospam] yahoo.fr (fougeras nathalie) Date: Fri, 17 Aug 2007 16:44:54 +0200 (CEST) Subject: [aether] RE : midsummer news update In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <273639.21025.qm {a+} web26605.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> Hi Manuel, > - payment for the amsterdam show arrived on our > swiss account!! the amount is 488.90 CHF (= 300 > EUR). how do we redistribute this? i guess for > this amount it's not worth yet to implement the > big utopian aether economic system we were > talking about some time ago.. would it be fair to > redistribute it simply to the participants of the > rotterdam event? i didn't participate of the rotterdam event so it's normal for me to not have participation > - some ideas for the performance content.. I'm > still thinking it could be interesting to work on > an existing litterary text, to have something > like a solid base.. for the sound the concept of the litterray text (Dada but also Schwitters) more than the readaptation of the text to think for a mix maybe.. cheers Natali _____________________________________________________________________________ Ne gardez plus qu'une seule adresse mail ! Copiez vos mails vers Yahoo! Mail From fougeras_nathalie at [nospam] yahoo.fr Fri Aug 17 16:58:31 2007 From: fougeras_nathalie at [nospam] yahoo.fr (fougeras nathalie) Date: Fri, 17 Aug 2007 16:58:31 +0200 (CEST) Subject: [aether] RE : RE : midsummer news update 2 In-Reply-To: <273639.21025.qm {a+} web26605.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <417656.75909.qm {a+} web26607.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> > > - payment also I propose to put my amount of contribution (plevent participatiion and other) on a common cash money in order to pay travels of each one of us in the festivals where aether will be exposed Natali _____________________________________________________________________________ Ne gardez plus qu'une seule adresse mail ! Copiez vos mails vers Yahoo! Mail From lauredinateur at [nospam] yahoo.de Sat Aug 18 16:27:59 2007 From: lauredinateur at [nospam] yahoo.de (laure deselys) Date: Sat, 18 Aug 2007 16:27:59 +0200 (CEST) Subject: [aether] zzzzz Message-ID: <743294.2505.qm {a+} web26706.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> Dear all-aethernautes, Have been, in what i shouldn't hesitate to call holidays. Now, im back in brussels preparing theoretical exams for university. When I can't refresh my daily mail reading, sometimes its hard to catch up, and i fear to say things that were said sometime ago, or miss some turns of the story. Anyway, i guess everybody feels that, to some extent. i was preparing a mail for you guys, but i see that, what went through my mind has often went through others too. so i will simply ajust I think, we should make clear that the times where nothing is planned too soon, we should fix some regular rehearsal cessions. And these cessions could use the content, as nathalie was saying " of a written scenario each time initiated by a person different from our group. To test the scenario of the other to adapt it each one with our images, our cohabitations on aether to be exposed. " But instead, of writing a brand new scenario each time,as manuel proposed , we could one after the other propose an existing literary text . ( but not necesserly litterrary, i would rather think of any material that has some obvious referential status). This would also be the occasion to expose and exchange within each others what are our personal interests, intentions, and point of views on quite concrete basis. Although im also very interested into developing specific scenario for the aether element...but somehow later on I thought of a maybe every 2 weeks tempo, to prepare each one story. Of course this would assume some kind of availibility and discipline, that im not the first to show but i look for it... ------------------- Some time has gone by, since last performance on july 17th. On this day, the topic about transferring objects, made me really feel a lack of physical transmission between us, in the squares as we appear. I think that we must push the visual geometry of based on the number of screens, we are using each time. I didnt manage to do it, but passing objects from one square to another, is something that we should rehearse on. As in the last performance, there was some kind of a center character, I thought of trying to make things circle around, clockwise or anti clockwise. ----- In general, im very hesitant between 1) being in a closed bubble telling a story my own way while i know that the others are doing so, at the same time without interacting with them 2) and being in a very communicative, interactive, visual link with the other screens( as when passing objects from one to another) The oscillation between these two aproachs, i feel ,is where we are, and must always be, more and more sharpened for each context see you soon laure. ------- Also i havnt been following the things around the vj-ing so much. But what i know from it, makes me think, that beyond proposing the aether project to web&digital arts events, we could also accompany music, sound poetry concerts or simply dj sets. This perspective enthousiasts me quite. --------------------------------- Yahoo! Clever: Stellen Sie Fragen und finden Sie Antworten. Teilen Sie Ihr Wissen. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.1904.cc/pipermail/aether/attachments/20070818/02d8b21d/attachment.html From fe2cruz at [nospam] hotmail.com Sun Aug 19 21:49:27 2007 From: fe2cruz at [nospam] hotmail.com (christiaan cruz) Date: Sun, 19 Aug 2007 12:49:27 -0700 Subject: [aether] Meet? rehearse? Message-ID: Hi euroaethers, I'll be in Berlin this week and then Copenhagen next week. It'd be great to interact face to face. As for the Rehearsals? Could we incorporate it into the 24 our aether feed set up? Maybe everyday we pass on/email the 9 cells to another aethernaut who must fill 8 of the cells with new moving images and leave one cell from the previous. Kind of like a riffing improve exercise to get people to interact with each other on images only. The point is each time email it to someone new and keep the page fresh & interesting, but still related somehow to the one cell that you've left from the previous aethernaut. This would help retain members too, as they will be forced to interact and produce something. For the moneys, no worries, its so small an amount, I'd thin it best to leave it for any past or future expenses. happy summer, -christiaan skype/del.icio.us/yahoo/meebo/aim: fe2cruz msn: fe2cruz at [nospam] hotmail.com From 1.1 [*] 1904.cc Mon Aug 20 17:07:52 2007 From: 1.1 [*] 1904.cc (1.1 [*] 1904.cc) Date: Mon, 20 Aug 2007 17:07:52 +0200 Subject: [aether] webcam experiments Message-ID: hi all, this is not directly aether-related (although it could be integrated in some way).. i worked yesterday on a max-patch which is reading webcam images from random locations. it's a temporary version, i'm going to add more features, such as making time-lapse recordings etc. the patch is here: http://1904.cc/~aether/kode/better_than_TV.zip as with the last version of the max_upload_patch, there is an editable text file, where other webcam URLs can be added as desired... somehow i think this could be linked with a future aether-scenario. best, manuel PS: a new participant from Iran joined our list, he's going to introduce himself shortly. 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(...) "We only require abstracts (not more than 300 words) of the proposed paper, panel presentations and artist presentations to be submitted in either Text, RTF, Word or PDF formats via this site. Please do not submit full papers at this stage." http://www.isea2008.org/cfp.html 3) Just as an info, there is a great-looking workshop taking place this weekend in Bratislava: COLLABORATIVE VIDEO PERFORMANCE http://www.13m3.sk/?id=691#video 4) for the writers among us: CALL FOR PAPERS - GAZING INTO THE 21st CENTURY : CONFRONTING IMAGE NAIVET? Second international conference on Image Science in Goettweig, April 24th - 26th 2008 DEADLINE proposals (One-page abstract) : October 21st 2007 proposals are welcome to the following topics and fields: (...) NEW PRACTICES OF IMAGE TRANSFER (Global economy, Tagging, Micromovies, Flickr, Second Life, You Tube, Google Earth etc.) http://www.donau-uni.ac.at/dis 5) (Club) Transmediale, Berlin DEADLINE: 7. september 2007 "Accepted media for preview: DVDs, CD-ROMs, websites, VHS-tapes. No demo versions - only completed works!" (oops;!) 6) Netmage 008 DEADLINE: october 16th did i forget anything? From 1.1 [*] 1904.cc Mon Aug 20 23:59:25 2007 From: 1.1 [*] 1904.cc (1.1 [*] 1904.cc) Date: Mon, 20 Aug 2007 23:59:25 +0200 Subject: [aether] currently used servers Message-ID: hi, another update, i've reset the live page, so that it now links to the following servers: 1 | 2 | 3 4 | 5 | 6 7 | 8 | 9 Frame 1 - ftp://1904.cc/1/ Frame 2 - ftp://1904.cc/2/ Frame 3 - ftp://imaginaryscience.org/3/ Frame 4 - ftp://imaginaryscience.org/4/ Frame 5 - ftp://10111.org/web/5/ Frame 6 - ftp://10111.org/web/6/ Frame 7 - ftp://artslashmedia.net/web/7/ Frame 8 - ftp://artslashmedia.net/web/8/ Frame 9 - ftp://artslashmedia.net/web/9/ if you use the latest max patch, those are the servers listed anyway. I reverted all of them to use again JPG, since it appeared to be quite more fluid in performance conditions than PNG (which can produce unexpectedly heavy files with some source material). the images are currently named 0x.jpg through 9x.jpg more improvements coming soon... best, manuel From cymnet at [nospam] gmail.com Wed Aug 22 20:24:23 2007 From: cymnet at [nospam] gmail.com (cym net) Date: Wed, 22 Aug 2007 20:24:23 +0200 Subject: [aether] + some more deadlines In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <95c795f70708221124y25fd0e02mdf518dabb98dbeb1 {a+} mail.gmail.com> We should maybe also send something to Transitio MX The deadline is in 2 days, August 24: http://en.transitiomx.net/nomadicborders Is there some sort of ready file that we can just send without much editing? cym On 8/20/07, 1.1 [*] 1904.cc <1.1 [*] 1904.cc> wrote: > ...and a reminder of approaching deadlines... > > 1) > INTIMACY - "Across Digital & Visceral Performance" - 7-9 December 2007, London > extended DEADLINE: 26 August 2007 (end of this week) > "a culturally urgent series of events designed to > address an aesthetically and formally diverse set > of responses to the notion of 'being intimate'." > http://www.intimateperformance.org/ > We are accepting proposals for: > > Paper presentations or Performance Lectures > Poster presentations > Live performances -physical and/or digital > > 2) > ISEA 2008 - Singapore, 25th - 30th July 2008 > Call for Papers, Panels and Artist Presentations > The DEADLINE for submissions: 31st August 2007 > "This year we are also encouraging artists who > wish to share their works with a broader audience > of their peers to submit artist presentations > where they can speak about the specific > aesthetic, conceptual and technological aspects > of their works." (...) > "We only require abstracts (not more than 300 > words) of the proposed paper, panel presentations > and artist presentations to be submitted in > either Text, RTF, Word or PDF formats via this > site. Please do not submit full papers at this > stage." > http://www.isea2008.org/cfp.html > > 3) > Just as an info, there is a great-looking > workshop taking place this weekend in Bratislava: > COLLABORATIVE VIDEO PERFORMANCE > http://www.13m3.sk/?id=691#video > > 4) > for the writers among us: > CALL FOR PAPERS - GAZING INTO THE 21st CENTURY : CONFRONTING IMAGE NAIVET? > Second international conference on Image Science > in Goettweig, April 24th - 26th 2008 > DEADLINE proposals (One-page abstract) : October 21st 2007 > proposals are welcome to the following topics and fields: (...) > NEW PRACTICES OF IMAGE TRANSFER > (Global economy, Tagging, Micromovies, Flickr, > Second Life, You Tube, Google Earth etc.) > http://www.donau-uni.ac.at/dis > > 5) > (Club) Transmediale, Berlin > DEADLINE: 7. september 2007 > "Accepted media for preview: DVDs, CD-ROMs, websites, VHS-tapes. > No demo versions - only completed works!" (oops;!) > > 6) > Netmage 008 > DEADLINE: october 16th > > did i forget anything? > > > > _______________________________________________ > aether mailing list > aether at [nospam] 1904.cc > http://lists.1904.cc/mailman/listinfo/aether > From 1.1 [*] 1904.cc Thu Aug 23 11:19:00 2007 From: 1.1 [*] 1904.cc (1.1 [*] 1904.cc) Date: Thu, 23 Aug 2007 11:19:00 +0200 Subject: [aether] mexico In-Reply-To: <95c795f70708221124y25fd0e02mdf518dabb98dbeb1 {a+} mail.gmail.com> References: <95c795f70708221124y25fd0e02mdf518dabb98dbeb1 {a+} mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: >We should maybe also send something to Transitio MX >The deadline is in 2 days, August 24: > >http://en.transitiomx.net/nomadicborders yeah, looks interesting, i will try to find the time to submit. i just signed up electronically, but still they ask for hard copies, which is time consuming.. the dates of that festival are 12-20 october. i will be busy with another project during the whole week of 15-20th october, but the weekend of 12-13th october would be possible for me. do we propose that date? btw i postulated for the category "TRANSITIO AWARD", but there's also another section, "TRANSNATIONAL COMMUNITIES AWARD", which sounds very aether-like.... but there's one restrictive condition: "The award will recognize transnational communities that link Mexico and the United States and that have been able to translate their presence onto the Internet, thus recreating their social dynamics through the web, shortening geographic distances, and transcending cultural conflicts by innovation." so we would need to find aether performers from Mexico quickly... > >Is there some sort of ready file that we can just send without much editing? I added a page on the Wiki: "?ther9 Presentation Texts" and I put there the presentation texts I have. I suggest that we post there anything we write, so it's always available for inclusion in submissions. much of this material is also available as PDF / Word files under: http://www.1904.cc/~aether/material/ PS: most applications require a "CV of the artist", so what i'd do instead is include the list of aether performers... to make sure that it's accurate (links etc), please check the wiki http://www.1904.cc/timeline/tiki-index.php?page=list+of+aethernauts and edit as appropriate. also add one or two descriptive lines, and your skype/etc contacts. PPS: i subscribed to Sourceforge.net to get a page there for aether... will see, it needs to get approved first. best, M. From bk at [nospam] n3krozoft.com Tue Aug 28 16:26:35 2007 From: bk at [nospam] n3krozoft.com (bk) Date: Tue, 28 Aug 2007 16:26:35 +0200 Subject: [aether] row, row, row my bot Message-ID: <46D4309B.3040701 {a+} n3krozoft.com> Hello, in the summertime i drifted away somewhat from the aether ship. here i am back on board. -- about future performances and thematics and co-writing, i personnaly feel that i played a lot in my head with different ideas, liked to be introduced to the world of the other aethernauts, to test it, and after all these experiments i would like to follow Lucy's suggestion to get back to the initial theme of aether. i believe now we reached a point where we can develop a much more mature performance linked to this theme. formally though we obviously still have a lot to achieve. i will contribute now to the scenario and formal discussions here: http://www.1904.cc/timeline/tiki-index.php?page=topics+and+keywords --- "- thanks Lucy for involving aether9 in the (re)Actor2 event in London for Sept 10th. I'm in!" i missed something here. a performance is planned? i would be in too! --- - Judy said that she isn't so much in favor of applying for grants and answering many festival calls, but more in favor of establishing/creating our own channels of visibilty and income (as we have tried so far in an empirical and spontaneous way in a way). She refers to "an art language that was born of the New French philosophy from 40 years ago. It implies emotional distance. It is vague and poetic while seeming to give great detail in code." I undestand this very well - myself having almost never failed to experience this "emotional distance" at media-net art exhibits and performances, in the ambience itself of the event or gathering and the "communication" with the commissioners/curators. so i am not very motivated myself to search for calls and answer them. but i know that it is also important, and am very happy that others in the group have the nerves to do so. and partipation to festivals isn't in contradiction with the objective of developping DIY (do it yourself) interfaces and visibility! one of the great things with the aether project is that i don't feel this emotional distance and i don't feel the need to know more about the background of other's participants, i feel that the discussions on the list and in the preparation of the performances bring a definite un-robotic feeling. --- - Finances > the more exterior actors there are (festivals, gallerists, curators), the more complex and unsatisfying the sharing of the income becomes... the less middle-men, the less complex the distribution of the money is (simple rule - wich is an argument in favor of putting energy in an independent and DIY system). > about the 300 euros of the rotterdam performance (> question to Manu: on what type of bank account is it? did you open an account solely for the aether project? can you do e-banking with it?) - Chris proposes to leave it for further expenses - Manu proposes to simply distribute the amount between the participants of the Rotterdam Hotel performance (but also he asks whether to share with the performers of the following performance of Hotel Pleven Bulgaria) - I am in favor of 2 alternatives: 1. if we don't appy the grand economical system, we distribute the amount between the participants of the Rotterdam Hotel performance: 100 for Manu (who dealt with the administrative work and the hardware work and coordination) 50 each for Audrey, Laure, Chris & Boris. 2. i think the modesty of the sum is not a reason not to start the grand economic system! so i propose to distribute credits the following way (only active people on the mailing list are considered here, 1 credit = 1 euro) 1 x 40 credits (to Manu) 4 x 30 credits (to Audrey, Laure, Chris & Boris) 7 x 20 credits (to Lucy, Nathali, Cym, Judy, Paula, Luka & Alejo) either we decide to cash in (in that case we need e-banking on the account of course), either we leave it in the bank for further expenses. the persons leaving their credits into the bank, if their credits are used for later aether expenses (traveling, hardware, props, buying rival companies...), should have some kind of status that will put them on top of the list of the benefactors of the next cash flow into the account. --- - Laure & me will be in LA and california between the 26th october - 5th of november (for a family wedding). Chris & Judy & Lucy & ???, if you are somewhere in california at that time, would be great to meet in person - we will probably have a car and are looking for stuff to do there besides driving to LasVegas (joking)! -- by the way Manu the http://www.1904.cc/aether/ website & siblings are quite awesome i find! - congratulations, you reached web level -1! Boris From ideacritik at [nospam] yahoo.ca Tue Aug 28 18:05:33 2007 From: ideacritik at [nospam] yahoo.ca (::audrey::) Date: Tue, 28 Aug 2007 09:05:33 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [aether] Re : back from the aether Message-ID: <768757.1821.qm {a+} web50210.mail.re2.yahoo.com> hi all, i'm also slowly catching up on all the aether mail, having been away most of the summer (which incidentally also involved a wedding --a crazy hungarian feast/party which lasted for days! ). i actually wanted to respond once again to the (re)Actor performance possibility. is it arranged? will one of you be there? i will be there in any case, presenting an installation. it will be quite time consuming so i wonder to what extent i can arrange whatever needs to be setup and especially what they have there in terms of equipment. i forget who mentioned this but we should talk about it as it is on september 10th. i would be very much in favour of practising some formal elements of exchange between frames for example before even getting into a specific narrative. apart from that i'm pretty much in agreement with what has been said and i look forward to our next online meeting. perhaps we could arrange a semi-regular irc chat/practise? in the past performances i felt very amateuristic in my 'output' and could use much practise/feedback/etc. it could also be a means to address the 'distance' issue some have expressed. that's all for now, apart to thank manu for the great work! audrey|ideacritik ps for the money i really haven't formulated an opinion yet... though i fear that if we don't create a system formally, someone, potentially manu, will be stuck with the task of collecting/distributing... which doesn't seem fair (nor fun). 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(...) > "We only require abstracts (not more than 300 > words) of the proposed paper, panel presentations > and artist presentations to be submitted in > either Text, RTF, Word or PDF formats via this > site. Please do not submit full papers at this > stage." > http://www.isea2008.org/cfp.html > > 3) > Just as an info, there is a great-looking > workshop taking place this weekend in Bratislava: > COLLABORATIVE VIDEO PERFORMANCE > http://www.13m3.sk/?id=691#video > > 4) > for the writers among us: > CALL FOR PAPERS - GAZING INTO THE 21st CENTURY : CONFRONTING IMAGE NAIVET? > Second international conference on Image Science > in Goettweig, April 24th - 26th 2008 > DEADLINE proposals (One-page abstract) : October 21st 2007 > proposals are welcome to the following topics and fields: (...) > NEW PRACTICES OF IMAGE TRANSFER > (Global economy, Tagging, Micromovies, Flickr, > Second Life, You Tube, Google Earth etc.) > http://www.donau-uni.ac.at/dis > > 5) > (Club) Transmediale, Berlin > DEADLINE: 7. september 2007 > "Accepted media for preview: DVDs, CD-ROMs, websites, VHS-tapes. > No demo versions - only completed works!" (oops;!) > > 6) > Netmage 008 > DEADLINE: october 16th > > did i forget anything? > > > > _______________________________________________ > aether mailing list > aether at [nospam] 1904.cc > http://lists.1904.cc/mailman/listinfo/aether > From 1.1 [*] 1904.cc Tue Aug 28 21:31:21 2007 From: 1.1 [*] 1904.cc (1.1 [*] 1904.cc) Date: Tue, 28 Aug 2007 21:31:21 +0200 Subject: [aether] row, row, row my bot In-Reply-To: <46D4309B.3040701 {a+} n3krozoft.com> References: <46D4309B.3040701 {a+} n3krozoft.com> Message-ID: thanks boris for the great ideas outlined. some quick comments: >about future performances and thematics (...) >i will contribute now to the scenario and formal discussions here: >http://www.1904.cc/timeline/tiki-index.php?page=topics+and+keywords good; let's try, at least those of us who want to contribute to the writing, to put your ideas there in short form. if you feel a certain topic needs longer development, then add a new wiki page (creating a ((link to a new page)) with double brackets ((like this))...) also, as audrey just wrote, i agree that some regular practicing/rehearsing / online meetings would be quite necessary... >- Finances > > the more exterior actors there are (festivals, gallerists, curators), >the more complex and unsatisfying the sharing of the income becomes... >the less middle-men, the less complex the distribution of the money is >(simple rule - wich is an argument in favor of putting energy in an >independent and DIY system). yeah, i read recently an interesting article (in a 1999 issue of "acoustic space", published by riga's media lab RIXC) about some alternative artistic funding project, that was probably never realised. it mentioned other existing "LETS" which stands for "Local Exchange Trading Systems"... seems there were a few experiments with this, you can find a lot of documentation online, which i didn't manage to read yet and i'm not sure if it's really useful for us. some links: http://lets.net/ http://www.gmlets.u-net.com/faq.html http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Local_Exchange_Trading_Systems > > about the 300 euros of the rotterdam performance (> question to Manu: >on what type of bank account is it? did you open an account solely for >the aether project? can you do e-banking with it?) yes, i opened a bank account solely dedicated to the aether project. the bank is COOP Bank, Switzerland. it's a "compte d'?pargne" ("savings account"), which has the advantage that it costs literally nothing. the disadvantage is that cash withdrawal is limited to 10'000 CHF per month, so if our budget would become bigger, we should open another kind of account (which will cost ca 20 EUR p/year). it has of course e-banking capability. if interested, you can see a demo of the interface on their website: http://www.banquecoop.ch/login_en.html the account is currently under my name - if somebody else wants to administrate it, we could certainly add some names, but i don't know how complicated that would be for out-of-switzerland people. so for the moment i will handle the transfers.. the login system is not complicated, just a paper with the list of security codes, so it could actually be administered remotely.. Notabene: since i created that account _after_ the rotterdam performance, the cash was paid on one of my ordinary, non-aether accounts, and i didn't move it yet... so i would feel better if i could pay it out to you other performers quickly, before i spend it on some bills..... also, this would be somehow a symbolic act, getting the aether-network flowing and strengthening the ties.... I think we should chose among Boris' two proposals. I'm in favor of option 2), considering the redistribution as a part of the performance. btw for international transfers inferior to 50 EUR, paypal is actually more economic than moneybookers. on the other hand, paypal cash withdrawal is available only in a selected list of countries. Colombia and Iran are not among them for instance, see https://www.paypal.com/cgi-bin/webscr?cmd=_display-approved-signup-countries-outside Moneybookers seems to work for any country, provided that the receiver has a bank account at an institution providing a SWIFT/BIC code. >1. if we don't apply the grand economical system, we distribute the >amount between the participants of the Rotterdam Hotel performance: >100 for Manu (who dealt with the administrative work and the hardware >work and coordination) >50 each for Audrey, Laure, Chris & Boris. > >2. i think the modesty of the sum is not a reason not to start the grand >economic system! >so i propose to distribute credits the following way (only active people >on the mailing list are considered here, 1 credit = 1 euro) > >1 x 40 credits (to Manu) >4 x 30 credits (to Audrey, Laure, Chris & Boris) >7 x 20 credits (to Lucy, Nathali, Cym, Judy, Paula, Luka & Alejo) >-- >by the way Manu the http://www.1904.cc/aether/ website & siblings are >quite awesome i find! - congratulations, you reached web level -1! thnx:) PS: Boris writes on the wiki: "maybe we could have a couple of html page: one for performance only and a couple for reheasals and experiments (one fucusing on webcams, the oother on text, the other on physical interactions, the other with objects, another with mythology...)" well, this would not be too difficult to do (just duplicating the directory containing the html pages, and make a quick "search/replace" to change the image file links)... also, for each frameset, we would need to attribute 9 new image directories and list them in the max or pd patch.. would this be useful or make things more complicated? best, manuel ps: a renewed version of the webcam max/msp patch is online (same location): http://1904.cc/~aether/kode/better_than_TV.zip (16kb) example timelapse movie: http://1904.cc/~aether/kode/2007.27.8.2.20.50.mov (10mb) pps: did a successful test streaming mp3 audio directly from my computer to a web page (via puredata and local icecast server). it seemed to work since Amirali was able to hear it in Tehran.. this means we're technically ready for multicast, ie. various audio streams from several locations, getting "mixed" at one location and then sent to the web interface. From 1.1 [*] 1904.cc Tue Aug 28 23:00:37 2007 From: 1.1 [*] 1904.cc (1.1 [*] 1904.cc) Date: Tue, 28 Aug 2007 23:00:37 +0200 Subject: [aether] online calendar In-Reply-To: References: <46D4309B.3040701 {a+} n3krozoft.com> Message-ID: ps, i just activated a calendar in the wiki.. http://1904.cc/timeline/tiki-calendar.php we will see if this is usefull for managing the project, or if it's just one more page that we will always forget to check out... but for instance, we could use it to indicate Who is available for a rehearsal date -- one person would propose a date, put it in this calendar and announce it on the list, then the others can simply add their presence to the calendar, or to the adjacent fields when they are available one or two days before or after... ..\. m From fougeras_nathalie at [nospam] yahoo.fr Wed Aug 29 11:11:49 2007 From: fougeras_nathalie at [nospam] yahoo.fr (fougeras nathalie) Date: Wed, 29 Aug 2007 11:11:49 +0200 (CEST) Subject: [aether] RE : online calendar In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <278988.70135.qm {a+} web26603.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> Hi So.. i feel dynamic thoughts between us and desire to make /////Thanks Manuel, i saw this calendar it's a good tool for us aethernauts occupied to many other things to do outside aether I associate this calendar to our common interface too :) notably i think about Atom Egoyan film called Calendar -> Every day every frame is an other place visited and a drama between the persons. /////And also tx for your plan about the history of the stream..: http://1904.cc/aether/timeline.html /////About theory on the art and economy you have this theoretical reader : Betreff: UPCOMING :: art-e-conomy / :: september 2007 :: art-e-conomy belgrade 2007 :: why is it important to think about economy in relation to art? why is it important to think about the transitional economy in relation to the (post-) socialist (eastern) european art? is it possible to talk about the ways in which contemporary art represents economic processes, and (if the answer is positive) what kind of meaning this artistic discourse brings to light? how this art can be read and how this discourse can be interpreted as a source of knowledge about contemporary economy? is it possible to offer an alternative for the one-sided, neo-liberal discourse in the world of economics and in the media, through analyses of economic mechanisms in the contemporary art projects and art-works? how is post-socialism positioned with regard to contemporary global capitalism? :: Contributors: Felix Guattari, Ulrich Beck, Tatjana Djuric Kuzmanovic, Arun Kumar (Angelika Fitz & Michael Worgotter), Nick Dyer-Witheford, Marion von Osten, Brett Neilson & Ned Rossiter, Jacek Tomkiewicz, Kiss Endre, Sanjin Dragojevic, Jim McGuigan, Sandra Braman, Wolfgang Ullrich, Saskia Sassen, Julian Stallabrass, Martin Ferro-Thomsen, Julie Vandenbroucke & Michel Espeel, Elena Filipovic, Nina Montmann, Pier Luigi Sacco & Marco Senaldi, Zarko Paic, Marina Grzinic, Susanne Altmann, Walter Seidl, Suzana Milevska, Marina Sorbello, Doris Rothauer Edited by: Marko Stamenkovic ISBN 978-86-910467-0-5 :: This publication is focused on concepts, themes and issues related to the intersection between contemporary art and economics in the processes of globalization today. It brings together the contributions by an international group of theoreticians, critics, analysts, researchers, experts in various fields, ranging from art theory, philosophy, cultural studies, contemporary economics, business analysis, political and social sciences, organizational studies, and art management. :: For more information, please write to: marko.stamenkovic at [nospam] gmail.com /////Maybe satudray i can joign in irc chat but i'll be not in paris so depends free time i 'll have Cheers Natali --- 1.1 [*] 1904.cc a ?crit : > ps, i just activated a calendar in the wiki.. > http://1904.cc/timeline/tiki-calendar.php > we will see if this is usefull for managing the > project, or if it's > just one more page that we will always forget to > check out... > > but for instance, we could use it to indicate Who is > available for a > rehearsal date -- > > one person would propose a date, put it in this > calendar and announce > it on the list, then the others can simply add their > presence to the > calendar, or to the adjacent fields when they are > available one or > two days before or after... > > ..\. > m > _______________________________________________ > aether mailing list > aether at [nospam] 1904.cc > http://lists.1904.cc/mailman/listinfo/aether > _____________________________________________________________________________ Ne gardez plus qu'une seule adresse mail ! Copiez vos mails vers Yahoo! Mail From theleague at [nospam] imaginaryscience.org Wed Aug 29 17:13:54 2007 From: theleague at [nospam] imaginaryscience.org (The League of Imaginary Scientists) Date: Wed, 29 Aug 2007 17:13:54 +0200 Subject: [aether] (re)Actor In-Reply-To: <768757.1821.qm {a+} web50210.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Message-ID: Hi again, it looks like (re)actor 2 fell through this time ? they have too much this year, but want something next year. Perhaps better ? more time to hone for the next... Best, League/ Lucy On 8/28/07 6:05 PM, "::audrey::" wrote: > hi all, > > i'm also slowly catching up on all the aether mail, having been away most of > the summer (which incidentally also involved a wedding --a crazy hungarian > feast/party which lasted for days! ). > > i actually wanted to respond once again to the (re)Actor performance > possibility. is it arranged? will one of you be there? i will be there in any > case, presenting an installation. it will be quite time consuming so i wonder > to what extent i can arrange whatever needs to be setup and especially what > they have there in terms of equipment. i forget who mentioned this but we > should talk about it as it is on september 10th. > > i would be very much in favour of practising some formal elements of exchange > between frames for example before even getting into a specific narrative. > > apart from that i'm pretty much in agreement with what has been said and i > look forward to our next online meeting. perhaps we could arrange a > semi-regular irc chat/practise? in the past performances i felt very > amateuristic in my 'output' and could use much practise/feedback/etc. it > could also be a means to address the 'distance' issue some have expressed. > > that's all for now, apart to thank manu for the great work! > > audrey|ideacritik > > ps for the money i really haven't formulated an opinion yet... though i fear > that if we don't create a system formally, someone, potentially manu, will be > stuck with the task of collecting/distributing... which doesn't seem fair (nor > fun). > > > > Essayez le Tout-nouveau Yahoo! 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