From 1.1 [*] 1904.cc Sun Jul 1 13:29:42 2007 From: 1.1 [*] 1904.cc (1.1 [*] 1904.cc) Date: Sun, 1 Jul 2007 13:29:42 +0200 Subject: [aether] Rotterdam performance In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Hi Boba, so Boris gave you the title, "conference from the antipodes". the artist's name: ?ther9 Remote Performance Group we propose 9 pm as starting time, with the intention to start precisely, atomically at 9 pm (rotterdam time, UTC+2). duration: 15 minutes. see you later today on skype? (ca 7 pm) best, manuel skype id: aether9 ps: carbon-copy to boris and the aether9 performance group. >Hello! >I'm making the list of works, could you send me >the title of your work and what it will be (live >performance form Swizerland, Belgium, Holland >and?? ), and also how do I sign you? That is >also important to know how do I introduce your >live act. >As far as our schedule is concerned, you can >start also at 9PM if you like, or the evening >could start with you, say at 19.30 or bit later >untill everyone takes places. But we'll need to >know that soon. >Also, you will be the masters of time and duration of your performance. > >Hope to hear from you very soon, >Greetings, >B. From 1.1 [*] 1904.cc Mon Jul 2 00:05:21 2007 From: 1.1 [*] 1904.cc (1.1 [*] 1904.cc) Date: Mon, 2 Jul 2007 00:05:21 +0200 Subject: [aether] Rotterdam script In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: to the rotterdam performers, here the basic version of the script. 9h00 opening (empty desks, chairs, etc) 9h01 character 1 appears 9h02 character 2 appears 9h03 character 3 appears 9h04 character 1: action (fills a glass of water) 9h05 character 2: action (...) 9h06 character 3: action (...) 9h07 character 2: talks (in direction to 1) character 1: answers (in direction to 2) 9h08 character 3: leaves the space 9h09 character 2+1 seem nervous 9h10 character 3: comes back 9h11 character 3: talks character 2: looks to character 3 character 1: close up action 9h12 character 3+2: close up action character 1: looks at the others 9h13 character 3: close up action 9h14 character 1,2,3: stand up, saluts au public. 9h15 empty desk for additions or changes, use the wiki: http://1904.cc/timeline/tiki-index.php?page=020707+rotterdam+script From ideacritik at [nospam] yahoo.ca Mon Jul 2 11:35:07 2007 From: ideacritik at [nospam] yahoo.ca (::audrey::) Date: Mon, 2 Jul 2007 02:35:07 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [aether] Re : today -- hotel new york Message-ID: <286479.67774.qm {a+} web50205.mail.re2.yahoo.com> i apologise - i will be late for what i thought was a noon online-ness from the space. i am waiting for the dvcam which was supposed to be handed to me at 11. audrey Combattez les m?chants pourriels... Le filtre SpamGuard vous aide ? lutter efficacement contre les pourriels sur le Tout-nouveau Yahoo! Courriel http://us.rd.yahoo.com/evt=40705/*http://mrd.mail.yahoo.com/try_beta?.intl=cf -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.1904.cc/pipermail/aether/attachments/20070702/cc0857f5/attachment.html From knickerbockerjuju at [nospam] yahoo.com Tue Jul 3 13:08:12 2007 From: knickerbockerjuju at [nospam] yahoo.com (JuJu Nylon) Date: Tue, 3 Jul 2007 04:08:12 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [aether] performance/event ideas and first thoughts about aether9 In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <775015.56751.qm {a+} web62309.mail.re1.yahoo.com> Notes First thoughts on Aether9. after watching how one performance was put together and looking at the other pieces as documented. ..also I did add a bit onto the script wiki Content Use first person as much as possible when you are telling a story. When a story is web based, the intimate ?I? closes a lot of distance between you and the viewer Imagine performance events from 5 years in the future looking back. Consider how it will read then. The classical hand positions or mudras I mentioned are usually discussed as part of India?s dance tradition or Kundalini yoga, but easier examples to visualize are the hand gestures in Rap performances or the remarkable way in which Jacques Chirac used his hands in televised speeches. He often showed the palms of his hands in gestures that implied teaching and openness. This was not by chance. His body language was extremely manicured. Text on camera or character generation might be another way to add content. Layered sound (not necessarily all generated live) gives the audience a more immersive story. Movement on camera is great, even if it is only a fan. Staging To elaborate on the basic red, white and blue bulb lighting I mentioned: When I had to do performance arts/spoken word stuff in a very basic setting, recorded on camera, I used to have three very plain electric sockets set up with this lighting that made the shadows very 3D as they were outlined with red. I often wore a white shirt or one with dots to seem more alive on camera. There are a million ways to do this but at least one is necessary. If part of aether9 uniqueness is the different time and locations we are all in. Lets try to show this. Show either your real location or a specifically imagined location. Include an ambient audio layer if you are indoors without a window. Be more visually interesting on camera than you would be on the street. It does attract the eye if you break rules and wear fabric that feeds back (wiggles) on video broadcast. Beside the style of movement mentioned today adopted from Expressionistic film. Some other ways are: Use a random jagged movement occasionally. Repeat gestures/looped gesture as ritual. Also slow constant movement. Looking directly to camera .getting close to the camera is wonderfully un-nerving to an audience; this is why in stage training, you are taught to deliver your lines to an empty space, not to any one audience member. Whenever the audience is a set-up (I read that today?s 24 were all invited and that there were no strangers/unknown) invite some people from outside your crowd to whom this is new. A closed event (especially if they are all art world people) is a masturbatory performance. Above all else, I hope this model of performance can be ?inclusive?. Not something limited to the art world or the lab or university. It is the inclusiveness, the DIY Punk ?make your own band? .. which is a metaphor for growth not unlike ?on the road? was for the Beats .that makes something have resonance with everyone. Right now we are an international intergenerational arts gang. Let's see how far we can stretch that. Tech I hope someone else will fill this section in and send it back to me. The sound of the VLC was quite good. I don?t know why the streaming stalled on me a few times. Is it because I am just working WiFi and jumping on line anywhere I can .or was the amount of bandwidth being used a factor. Also the only camera I have at the moment is the built-in camera on my MacBook. What level camera are you using? What might I get that is sturdy, light and relatively cheap but decent quality. It would be great to have some sort of electronic guestbook at the performances so that we know who our audience is and make them feel historically included, and so that we can let them know of the next performance (and at some point announce any product releases). Transparent Financial Backend One of the most important things we can do at this point is to develop a new model in which the artists get paid. I have always wanted to work with budgets and fee payments etc on a wiki to which the artists have access. There needs to be a bank account (Ireland? Bahrain? Luxembourg?) that receives fees and is connected to PayPal to transfer money into the artists? bank accounts in different countries. Each gallery/venue/festival etc must pay an artist fee for us to do this. It cannot be a hobby waiting for management to step in and make 15% off each of us. The old model I came up through in the record business was disgusting. Do we need a lawyer? Process Director? Promoter/Booker/Publicist? I am not sure; but I know it is important that this is discussed now. We might receive in-kind support/sponsorship that would come from an airline, tech co or media co. Also, what kind of Creative Commons set up is this working with? OTHER info. Three locations to do something like this at or promoted by .that I have connection to are: www.harvestworks.org in New York (this was once Studio PASS the first public access synth studio started by Robert Moog and others in about 1970) www.location1.org in New York. Please look at their site and note that the venue Roulette (new music) is next door. www.tba21.org in Vienna. Their mission statement and some of the projects they have found 'project development money' for are remarkable. They have a huge festival presence. While I am in LA, I have been invited to be a guest on a radio show hosted by art dealer and LA Times reviewer, Molly Barnes. With your permission/encouragement I think I should follow through on this and speak about aether9 to get a bit of publicity. I could also link my blog on Myspace to the aether site. Has anyone else done this? On the N3KROZOFT Co. site, in the overview page text, the word ?unexpensive? should actually be ?inexpensive?. Please allow me to suggest this correction; English is the only language in which I can offer editorial help. Goodnight, Judy --------------------------------- Choose the right car based on your needs. Check out Yahoo! Autos new Car Finder tool. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.1904.cc/pipermail/aether/attachments/20070703/e733e522/attachment.html From cymnet at [nospam] gmail.com Tue Jul 3 14:48:53 2007 From: cymnet at [nospam] gmail.com (cym net) Date: Tue, 3 Jul 2007 14:48:53 +0200 Subject: [aether] photos last night Message-ID: <95c795f70707030548j49fb8335i4480e2c6fe8769f6 {a+} mail.gmail.com> Hello all, You can download my screengrabs from last night's performance from http://cym.net/aether9/ The file contains about 40 bmp-images. they should document to whole performance pretty good. I put them in a zip-file, so they keep the original timestamp, so you can see the time during the performance when i took the screengrab. In general about last night. This was the first time that i wathced the performance without being connected to the chat or connected via skype. (the irc-channel was invite only) So i really saw the performance from the audience point of view. And i realized that it is really really difficult to follow it, when you have no contact at all with the people that are performing. Already to know when exactly it starts is difficult. The sound was a very good help here, because through the sound there was some sort of announcement that it was starting and also that is was finished. I think it would be good to also give clear visible information on the page, especially shortly before the performance starts, like 'Performance starting in 5 mins' and then this should update every minute. And if there is a delay, also immediately make this visible on the website, so that there is a very direct contact to the viewers. But much better probably, would be a second chat for the public, so that they can get information what is going on and also so that they can give feedback. I think that this webaudience is really something to take serious. These days people really sit in front of their computer to watch the performance, and this is surely a group of (invisible) people to focus on. Maybe also a guestbook or something, some way to collect feedback from the online audience, would be nice. In general about last night, i think the addition of sound is making the online performance much much more interesting. It really carries the images and when the sound continues it doesn't matter so much if the webcam images are repeating for a while before new images appear. So much for now, cym From fe2cruz at [nospam] hotmail.com Tue Jul 3 23:20:44 2007 From: fe2cruz at [nospam] hotmail.com (christiaan cruz) Date: Tue, 3 Jul 2007 14:20:44 -0700 Subject: [aether] webaudience & radio show Message-ID: none of my friends watch or listen to my streamed performances.They get confused, they don't like the delays and they just can't understand what is happening.Though I really like the clean interface and mainframe, if you don't know anything about streamingyou will wander off, and if you know nothing about the group or the theme of the performanceyou will just shut off the screen. Judy and Cym have pointed out some very important ideas about the audience already.Its really hard to come up with an HTML "Stage" with enough information to engage everyone. Would it be possible to create the concept of a curtain into the HTML? Like a welcome screen before the performance and then a Thank You at the end, built into the HTML rather than streamed in. Getting the audience to chat seems to work in other streaming events, but to keep it controlled it should be built into the HTML stage and closeable with a sort of MC running it. If the chat is too complicated a simple guestbook at the bottom of the HTML mainframe, just a name entry with email optional would be really nice.Judy, when does your radio talk air/play? is it this coming monday {a+} http://www.kcsn.org/programs/artnews.htmyou should play with your webcam and the patch and see if you like it. Each cell is only 192 x 144 and even your built in webcam sbould have at least double that, soimages will still look sharp. My images look fuzzy because i don't use the patchand have a lot of settings done incorrectly so things get resampled and messy.If you still want to upgrade, most any USB webcams will work with your mac, and most digital cameras with a usb out may have a stream mode available once they are connected to your mac. So if you have a digital camera or video camerayou may have another video stream option already. In LA I like Fry's for cheapelectronics. But mostly I like borowing from friends or family.-christiaan -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.1904.cc/pipermail/aether/attachments/20070703/a23974c1/attachment.html From cymnet at [nospam] gmail.com Tue Jul 3 23:56:30 2007 From: cymnet at [nospam] gmail.com (cym net) Date: Tue, 3 Jul 2007 23:56:30 +0200 Subject: [aether] Fwd: ISEA meeting at SIGGRAPH In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <95c795f70707031456p7cd440f6m1b811916f458b644 {a+} mail.gmail.com> Christiaan, are you in San Diego? We should submit a project for ISEA 2008. I would be interested to go to Singapore... cym ---------- Forwarded message ---------- For those of you attending SIGGRAPH in San Diego, California, USA August 5 -9 Inter-Society for the Electronic Arts (ISEA) Open Forum Monday, 6 August 11:30 am - 1 pm ISEA is an international non-profit organization fostering interdisciplinary academic discourse and exchange among culturally diverse groups and individuals working with art, science, and emerging technologies. This discussion includes information about the organization, the upcoming ISEA Symposium to be held in Singapore in 2008, and plans for the future of ISEA. All interested members of the electronic arts community are welcome to attend, to learn about future symposia and share ideas for potential organizational collaborations. From project.location at [nospam] gmail.com Tue Jul 3 17:07:36 2007 From: project.location at [nospam] gmail.com (Project Location Rotterdam 2007) Date: Tue, 3 Jul 2007 17:07:36 +0200 Subject: [aether] Rotterdam performance In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Dear all, It was a true vibe to watch you all perform!!! I'm sending you million virtual kisses from somewhere on the way to Belgrade, and I'll be watching you on the 7th :)* I hope to keep in touch, Boba On 7/2/07, Project Location Rotterdam 2007 wrote: > > Hi again, > Could I ask you to send me on a mail the sentence with which we should > introduce your performance, and... actually, if you still have it - > could you send me the whole conversation we had on skype, I was using > Gunndis' computer which doesn't save the conversation, so it's all > erased... Please? > > I'm gone... again. > Boba > > > > > On 7/1/07, Project Location Rotterdam 2007 > wrote: > > Hello all, > > > > Could we maybe communicate some time later, as at seven we have the > > shift from the afternoon solo visits to the evening programme, so we > > have to do a lot in a short time... We'll finish at about 22h, could > > we talk than? > > The starting time is ok with us - anatomical 9. > > > > Best from New York - hotel, > > Boba > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On 7/1/07, 1.1 [*] 1904.cc <1.1 [*] 1904.cc> wrote: > > > Hi Boba, > > > > > > so Boris gave you the title, "conference from the antipodes". > > > the artist's name: ?ther9 Remote Performance Group > > > we propose 9 pm as starting time, with the > > > intention to start precisely, atomically at 9 pm > > > (rotterdam time, UTC+2). duration: 15 minutes. > > > see you later today on skype? (ca 7 pm) > > > best, > > > manuel > > > > > > skype id: aether9 > > > > > > ps: carbon-copy to boris and the aether9 performance group. > > > > > > >Hello! > > > >I'm making the list of works, could you send me > > > >the title of your work and what it will be (live > > > >performance form Swizerland, Belgium, Holland > > > >and?? ), and also how do I sign you? That is > > > >also important to know how do I introduce your > > > >live act. > > > >As far as our schedule is concerned, you can > > > >start also at 9PM if you like, or the evening > > > >could start with you, say at 19.30 or bit later > > > >untill everyone takes places. But we'll need to > > > >know that soon. > > > >Also, you will be the masters of time and duration of your > performance. > > > > > > > >Hope to hear from you very soon, > > > >Greetings, > > > >B. > > > > > > > > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.1904.cc/pipermail/aether/attachments/20070703/dead5d00/attachment.html From knickerbockerjuju at [nospam] yahoo.com Thu Jul 5 02:33:27 2007 From: knickerbockerjuju at [nospam] yahoo.com (JuJu Nylon) Date: Wed, 4 Jul 2007 17:33:27 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [aether] about radio show kcsn.org In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <703816.80343.qm {a+} web62303.mail.re1.yahoo.com> Judy, when does your radio talk air/play? is it this coming monday {a+} http://www.kcsn.org/programs/artnews.htm christiaan cruz wrote Yes, this is the radio show I have been invited to do. I record with the host Molly Barnes on another web-based videoed show recorded in NYC (it is also shown on NY cable TV weekly). It is a game show called 'name that painting' . It is the idea/creation of a painter called Mark Kostabi. No big deal, just something we all do in his studio on Fri afternoons. It really is a meeting place for a lot of writers and musicians who live downtown and work alone at home. You can see it archived on Mark's website markkostabi.com The link is on the right of the homepage. Anyway, today is a holiday; I will email Molly tomorrow and say that I am up for being a guest while I am here in LA. I'll let everybody know when I am to do it and see if a web call in is possible during the show. I use www.gizmoprojects.com for my calls into landlines or mobiles outside the USA because I can record the call and because there is no connection fee, just the flat rate per min. for the call. Judy --------------------------------- Looking for earth-friendly autos? Browse Top Cars by "Green Rating" at [nospam] yahoo! Autos' Green Center. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.1904.cc/pipermail/aether/attachments/20070704/c8236e7d/attachment.html From 1.1 [*] 1904.cc Thu Jul 5 15:41:06 2007 From: 1.1 [*] 1904.cc (1.1 [*] 1904.cc) Date: Thu, 5 Jul 2007 15:41:06 +0200 Subject: [aether] performance/event ideas and first thoughts about aether9 In-Reply-To: <775015.56751.qm {a+} web62309.mail.re1.yahoo.com> References: <775015.56751.qm {a+} web62309.mail.re1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: hi all, thanks a lot for the insightful comments and ideas, i don't have time to reply on all the topics right now but here are some thoughts already regarding a few practical points: FINANCES: indeed it's time we start discussing that. the intervention in rotterdam was our first action including a fee, we will receive an amount of 150 euro. it will be now necessary to establish rules, how the income is distributed among participants etc. (could be a good idea to start keeping your bills for expenses linked to aether in some way). regarding the redistribution system: alternatively to paypal we could also use moneybookers.com - it looks to me that the fees for international transactions are a bit lower than with paypal (1%+1.80 EUR vs 3.9%+0.35 EUR for paypal) a question will also be: who would have time to devote to this, managing the bank account, doing transactions etc. other next steps to be done would be: - opening a bank account (which leads to the questions: which location? personal account, or association account? in the latter case we would need to create an official organisation etc...); - setting up a non-public part of the wiki for the accounting (unless we leave it public too? could be part of the project) LICENSING: about licencing, creative commons etc. here is a very interesting article on that topic: http://subsol.c3.hu/subsol_2/contributors0/nimustext.html it's quite long, but discusses strengths and weaknesses of anticopyright, copyleft, and Creative Commons... also i think we could have separate rules for web and other media, i.e. use a Copyleft type license* for all internet-based use, and something more restrictive for any other media (print, tv etc). *examples of copyleft type licences: GNU GPL - http://www.gnu.org/copyleft/gpl.html Free Art Licence: http://artlibre.org/licence/lal/en/ more about: http://www.gnu.org/licenses/ a list of licences: http://www.gnu.org/licenses/license-list.html another list of licenses: http://opensource.org/licenses/category TECHNICAL: chris, i implemented some of your suggestions into the max upload patch. current version is now here: http://1904.cc/kode/upload_113.zip among the changes: - there are some video adjustments, brightness/contrast/saturation. that should be quite useful since on the webpage, the image is often not contrasted enough. - there's a stopwatch integrated in the patch - you can upload 1 single frame (by hitting the keyboard's spacebar) - it's Mac and windows all in one (although there are still some things to resolve in windows). and here is the sound streaming patch, if anyone wants to give it a try: http://1904.cc/kode/audio_streaming.zip i will put instructions on the wiki as soon as i find time. other points: >We should submit a project for ISEA 2008. >I would be interested to go to Singapore... > >cym who wouldn't ;) actually i'm already preparing submission materials for this. fortunately the deadline has been extended to the end of this month. http://www.isea2008.org/air4.html i also intend to submit aether to a competition in switzerland where the deadline is soon (15th july): http://www.tsr.ch/tsr/index.html?siteSect=650100&fromPriority=1&toPriority=1&rubricId=1400 it requires btw a project budget. so, how much do we need? >While I am in LA, I have been invited to be a >guest on a radio show hosted by art dealer and >LA Times reviewer, Molly Barnes. With your >permission/encouragement I think I should follow >through on this and speak about aether9 to get a >bit of publicity. of course, please do so! >On the N3KROZOFT Co. site, in the overview page >text, the word ?unexpensive? should actually be >?inexpensive?. Please allow me to suggest this >correction; English is the only language in >which I can offer editorial help. thanks a lot, every correction is appreciated. the funny thing is that this sentence was copy-pasted from some Darpa website (the Total Information Awareness Program if i remember well)... best, manuel From knickerbockerjuju at [nospam] yahoo.com Thu Jul 5 21:52:30 2007 From: knickerbockerjuju at [nospam] yahoo.com (JuJu Nylon) Date: Thu, 5 Jul 2007 12:52:30 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [aether] Excellent, maybe Skype confer. on this when everyone has opinions/info ready about the fees In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <526501.23584.qm {a+} web62313.mail.re1.yahoo.com> As I am not handling tech set ups, I could handle the finances once the conduits are set up. About Singapore....Ken Feinstein ken at ntu.edu.sg who is an assistant dept head here, is working for me to bring another project to Singapore; he might be good to speak to about our doing a second thing while in Singapore. The tech lab of this place is just outside Singapore and brand new: http://www.ntu.edu.sg/publicportal/ It is somehow related to Georgia Tech. NTU would be an excellent venue for what we are doing and to travel for two events in Singapore would be 'sort of a tour' . Any way to double fee/double present any project put together for the ISEA would help with the money. JUDY 1.1 [*] 1904.cc wrote: hi all, thanks a lot for the insightful comments and ideas, i don't have time to reply on all the topics right now but here are some thoughts already regarding a few practical points: FINANCES: indeed it's time we start discussing that. the intervention in rotterdam was our first action including a fee, we will receive an amount of 150 euro. it will be now necessary to establish rules, how the income is distributed among participants etc. (could be a good idea to start keeping your bills for expenses linked to aether in some way). regarding the redistribution system: alternatively to paypal we could also use moneybookers.com - it looks to me that the fees for international transactions are a bit lower than with paypal (1%+1.80 EUR vs 3.9%+0.35 EUR for paypal) a question will also be: who would have time to devote to this, managing the bank account, doing transactions etc. other next steps to be done would be: - opening a bank account (which leads to the questions: which location? personal account, or association account? in the latter case we would need to create an official organisation etc...); - setting up a non-public part of the wiki for the accounting (unless we leave it public too? could be part of the project) LICENSING: about licencing, creative commons etc. here is a very interesting article on that topic: http://subsol.c3.hu/subsol_2/contributors0/nimustext.html it's quite long, but discusses strengths and weaknesses of anticopyright, copyleft, and Creative Commons... also i think we could have separate rules for web and other media, i.e. use a Copyleft type license* for all internet-based use, and something more restrictive for any other media (print, tv etc). *examples of copyleft type licences: GNU GPL - http://www.gnu.org/copyleft/gpl.html Free Art Licence: http://artlibre.org/licence/lal/en/ more about: http://www.gnu.org/licenses/ a list of licences: http://www.gnu.org/licenses/license-list.html another list of licenses: http://opensource.org/licenses/category TECHNICAL: chris, i implemented some of your suggestions into the max upload patch. current version is now here: http://1904.cc/kode/upload_113.zip among the changes: - there are some video adjustments, brightness/contrast/saturation. that should be quite useful since on the webpage, the image is often not contrasted enough. - there's a stopwatch integrated in the patch - you can upload 1 single frame (by hitting the keyboard's spacebar) - it's Mac and windows all in one (although there are still some things to resolve in windows). and here is the sound streaming patch, if anyone wants to give it a try: http://1904.cc/kode/audio_streaming.zip i will put instructions on the wiki as soon as i find time. other points: >We should submit a project for ISEA 2008. >I would be interested to go to Singapore... > >cym who wouldn't ;) actually i'm already preparing submission materials for this. fortunately the deadline has been extended to the end of this month. http://www.isea2008.org/air4.html i also intend to submit aether to a competition in switzerland where the deadline is soon (15th july): http://www.tsr.ch/tsr/index.html?siteSect=650100&fromPriority=1&toPriority=1&rubricId=1400 it requires btw a project budget. so, how much do we need? >While I am in LA, I have been invited to be a >guest on a radio show hosted by art dealer and >LA Times reviewer, Molly Barnes. With your >permission/encouragement I think I should follow >through on this and speak about aether9 to get a >bit of publicity. of course, please do so! >On the N3KROZOFT Co. site, in the overview page >text, the word ?unexpensive? should actually be >?inexpensive?. Please allow me to suggest this >correction; English is the only language in >which I can offer editorial help. thanks a lot, every correction is appreciated. the funny thing is that this sentence was copy-pasted from some Darpa website (the Total Information Awareness Program if i remember well)... best, manuel _______________________________________________ aether mailing list aether at [nospam] 1904.cc http://lists.1904.cc/mailman/listinfo/aether --------------------------------- Got a little couch potato? Check out fun summer activities for kids. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Best, League (entity - Lucy/Gomez: now landed and settling in Norway) From alejoduque at [nospam] gmail.com Thu Jul 5 22:31:44 2007 From: alejoduque at [nospam] gmail.com (alejo d) Date: Thu, 5 Jul 2007 22:31:44 +0200 Subject: [aether] Excellent, maybe Skype confer. on this when everyone has opinions/info ready about the fees In-Reply-To: <526501.23584.qm {a+} web62313.mail.re1.yahoo.com> References: <526501.23584.qm {a+} web62313.mail.re1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: hia, hola juju.. ei is funny you mention ken, i know him from EGS (www.egs.edu), hes a nice person and i have completely lost his track since he moved out of NY... about singapore, im about to send an appli also to ISEA but for the residencies so if all goes well i could be there helping out setting aethereal performances. and yes, the very good discusion that came around has also got my attention, to many questions to think about and in a way the explanations why i havent been able to join in much (apart from a very busy family life summer).. ie, though i understand that the performances from the aether9 group are based on the uploading images/frames, and i like pretty much this low-tech aesthetics... i've been so much into video streaming that is hard for me to go into other methods so i prefer to watch and wait til phps theres a moment to make realtime video streaming tests or even performances... i have to say im conscious that the quality will never be as good as uploading images via ftp (as is right now)... one more thing to add to the discussion since i think that cluttering the html with midi and/or sound has good aeffects in some senses but is a bit difficult to follow for the youtube generation...if we want to think on them as audience.... i have always understood the idea behind aether9 as rare experiments in telepresence so also getting to use the "norm" of the day of techniques and methods might not fit at all with the reappropiation of the ftp protocol for time based image narratives......anyways... and since manuel already began using the GISS (streaming servers of a ring to which im sort of connected) i could suggest, if needed or considered as valid, to make a test using 3 video streams embeded via java applets (cortado) in one page.. so to compare methods and results. if its still not the moment i just wait for the sign to set this page up... i guess it will be wise to have some time and let the concepts introduced by cym and christian fall in the right places. and, yes.. i tried streaming using the new pd-extended and it worked quite well from OSX using pidip to create an ogg stream.. it was sort of stable (20 min up til i began mixing with fx and hard crashed it..) as always, many things to try and to think...so far that is for me so far very enrichful from what comes around this mailing list and group..so i thank you all for the good energy and enthusiams that flows nowadays in the aether. tx! /a /a On 7/5/07, JuJu Nylon wrote: > > As I am not handling tech set ups, I could handle the finances once the > conduits are set up. > > About Singapore....Ken Feinstein > ken at ntu.edu.sg who is an assistant dept head here, is working for me to > bring another project to Singapore; he might be good to speak to about our > doing a second thing while in Singapore. The tech lab of this place is just > outside Singapore and brand new: http://www.ntu.edu.sg/publicportal/ > It is somehow related to Georgia Tech. > > NTU would be an excellent venue for what we are doing and to travel for > two events in Singapore would be 'sort of a tour' . Any way to double > fee/double present any project put together for the ISEA would help with the > money. > > JUDY > > *1.1 [*] 1904.cc* wrote: > > hi all, > > thanks a lot for the insightful comments and > ideas, i don't have time to reply on all the > topics right now but here are some thoughts > already regarding a few practical points: > > FINANCES: > indeed it's time we start discussing that. the > intervention in rotterdam was our first action > including a fee, we will receive an amount of 150 > euro. it will be now necessary to establish > rules, how the income is distributed among > participants etc. (could be a good idea to start > keeping your bills for expenses linked to aether > in some way). > regarding the redistribution system: > alternatively to paypal we could also use > moneybookers.com - it looks to me that the fees > for international transactions are a bit lower > than with paypal (1%+1.80 EUR vs 3.9%+0.35 EUR > for paypal) > a question will also be: who would have time to > devote to this, managing the bank account, doing > transactions etc. > other next steps to be done would be: > - opening a bank account (which leads to the > questions: which location? personal account, or > association account? in the latter case we would > need to create an official organisation etc...); > - setting up a non-public part of the wiki for > the accounting (unless we leave it public too? > could be part of the project) > > LICENSING: > about licencing, creative commons etc. > here is a very interesting article on that topic: > http://subsol.c3.hu/subsol_2/contributors0/nimustext.html > it's quite long, but discusses strengths and > weaknesses of anticopyright, copyleft, and > Creative Commons... also i think we could have > separate rules for web and other media, i.e. use > a Copyleft type license* for all internet-based > use, and something more restrictive for any other > media (print, tv etc). > > *examples of copyleft type licences: > GNU GPL - http://www.gnu.org/copyleft/gpl.html > Free Art Licence: http://artlibre.org/licence/lal/en/ > more about: http://www.gnu.org/licenses/ > a list of licences: http://www.gnu.org/licenses/license-list.html > another list of licenses: http://opensource.org/licenses/category > > > TECHNICAL: > chris, i implemented some of your suggestions > into the max upload patch. current version is now > here: > http://1904.cc/kode/upload_113.zip > among the changes: > - there are some video adjustments, > brightness/contrast/saturation. that should be > quite useful since on the webpage, the image is > often not contrasted enough. > - there's a stopwatch integrated in the patch > - you can upload 1 single frame (by hitting the keyboard's spacebar) > - it's Mac and windows all in one (although there > are still some things to resolve in windows). > and here is the sound streaming patch, if anyone wants to give it a try: > http://1904.cc/kode/audio_streaming.zip > i will put instructions on the wiki as soon as i find time. > > > other points: > > >We should submit a project for ISEA 2008. > >I would be interested to go to Singapore... > > > >cym > > who wouldn't ;) > actually i'm already preparing submission materials for this. > fortunately the deadline has been extended to the end of this month. > http://www.isea2008.org/air4.html > i also intend to submit aether to a competition > in switzerland where the deadline is soon (15th > july): > > http://www.tsr.ch/tsr/index.html?siteSect=650100&fromPriority=1&toPriority=1&rubricId=1400 > it requires btw a project budget. so, how much do we need? > > > >While I am in LA, I have been invited to be a > >guest on a radio show hosted by art dealer and > >LA Times reviewer, Molly Barnes. With your > >permission/encouragement I think I should follow > >through on this and speak about aether9 to get a > >bit of publicity. > > of course, please do so! > > > >On the N3KROZOFT Co. site, in the overview page > >text, the word 'unexpensive' should actually be > >'inexpensive'. Please allow me to suggest this > >correction; English is the only language in > >which I can offer editorial help. > > thanks a lot, every correction is appreciated. > the funny thing is that this sentence was > copy-pasted from some Darpa website (the Total > Information Awareness Program if i remember > well)... > > best, > manuel > > _______________________________________________ > aether mailing list > aether at [nospam] 1904.cc > http://lists.1904.cc/mailman/listinfo/aether > > > ------------------------------ > Got a little couch potato? > Check out fun summer activities for kids. > > > _______________________________________________ > aether mailing list > aether at [nospam] 1904.cc > http://lists.1904.cc/mailman/listinfo/aether > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Message-ID: <468DA47A.8090809 {a+} n3krozoft.com> hello fellow aethernauts, Cym, Lucy (from The League, now established in Norway!), Amiraly, Manu & Boris had a little chat this evening - we discussed about the 070707 (tommorow's...) performance. we agreed on a number of things: > EVENT STATUS we consider this event as a jamsession for ourselves (meaning for instance that we are not going to send an announcment to the very long n3krozoft mailing list.) but 070707 will be anounced on the website and i will tell some friends! > SCHEDULE 070707 will occur at 9pm in Occidental Continental Europe, noon in California, 11pm in Tehran > PARTICIPANTS Cym (walkersdorf, austria), Lucy (norway), Laure (brussels 1), Manu (geneva), Boris (brussels 2) that means that we need 2 more performers in orded to be 7! who will be there? > REPARTITION OF THE 7 FRAMES two of the classical 9 aether9 frames will remain black, like this: XXX -XX XX- it looks like the number 7, no? > SCRIPT (for development of this script, please use the wiki: http://www.1904.cc/timeline/tiki-index.php?page=070707+performance+script we kept a very simple and light script, because of the lack of preparation time available. the performance will last exactly 7X7 = 49 minutes. basically, the idea is that all the 7 performers will be preparing a meal. - the first 7 minute segment will be the presentation of the performers and aides involved, of the location, of the local time, of the space, etc... - the last 7 minute segment will be devoted to eating the meal. - for the five 7 minutes segments inbetween - we haven't decided on a logic for them. would be nice to have one! so there's plenty of space for developpment here. > STAGE? i point to J. Nylon's sound remarks about what invariably demands stage action and presence: http://lists.1904.cc/pipermail/aether/2007-July/000164.html > SOUND 070707 is also the occasion to a some audio streaming experiments - i talked with Nathalie who would is interested to stream in some audio. Nathalie, are you able to use the audio patch? see http://www.1904.cc/timeline/tiki-index.php?page=sound > ARCHIVING we haven't discussed this really - how to efficiently archive aether9 performances? there are some screen capture applications that could make it i guess like "screen movie recorder" or "snapz pro" (for macs i don't have registered versions though). > TECHNICAL REMARK aether9: 23:35:48 one one important tech detail: the uploaded images will be in PNG from now aether9: 23:37:23 size as usual, 192x144 px. named 0x.png to 9x.png See you all soon! Boris --- highlights of the skype discussion: thom_edison: 22:35:47 J. Nylon made very interesting proposals in the wiki, but i feel that saturday 070707 is coming too soon to work on them effectively, as so many people may be involved - i feel that we should concentrate on something less "deep" if i may say... Remote Control Monkey: 22:54:17 eating across a network has good history - lots of online dinner parties, etc aether9: 22:55:37 maybe that could be a concept: an online dinner between mathematicians... Remote Control Monkey: 22:56:17 perhaps some of us eating food, other numbers? cym: 22:56:26 but i think these are all ideas for the future Remote Control Monkey: 22:56:31 I like the idea of cutting text/numbers/formulas with knife and fork cym: 22:56:33 for saturday it will have to be more simple cym: 22:56:41 eating numbers? cym: 22:57:18 apple or orange is good, because it is a simple shape aether9: 22:57:37 but an apple alone doesnt make a meal... Remote Control Monkey: 22:59:51 thinking of those crazy math word problems that give one person so many apples, and then after 4 bites, 3 stomach aches and 2 hungry friends with one with allergy to apples, how many bites of apples are left...we could play with complex silly formulas, eat apples, and... aether9: 23:00:13 fruits = array('apples','bananas','oranges','grapes'); cym: 23:01:41 from the php manual: cym: 23:01:44 $fruits = array ( "fruits" => array("a" => "orange", "b" => "banana", "c" => "apple"), "numbers" => array(1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6), "holes" => array("first", 5 => "second", "third") ); aether9: 23:02:05 that would make a nice salad indeed cym: 23:27:08 but 7 minutes looking at the water waiting to get boiling is very fascinating cym: 23:27:23 especially when on 7 frames water is waiting to get boiling thom_edison: 23:27:42 conceptually, i agree... cym: 23:27:49 and 7 minutes cutting vegetables with a big knife can also be exciting thom_edison: 23:28:09 less conceptually, i also agree thom_edison: 23:28:20 more hollywood aether9: 23:32:15 and btw what about the sound? thom_edison: 23:32:20 ah yes cym: 23:32:34 i was just thinking about that, the sound... thom_edison: 23:32:49 alejo just send a mail to the list about sound thom_edison: 23:33:11 (well not only sound) aether9: 23:33:29 in a certain way the sound makes most sense for a really public performance aether9: 23:33:44 when performing i was quite too busy to really listen to it.. aether9: 23:34:23 and when cooking... i will not hear it except if a sound system is turned on full blast thom_edison: 23:34:45 true - let's forget about sound - altough i belive nathalie likes sound and have camera-webcam problems - if she wishes - and/or Nylon, let's see aether9: 23:34:54 yeah cym: 23:35:02 that's true, but still it would be nice to hear the sounds from the other kitchens thom_edison: 23:37:51 about sound, what are the alternatives to the mono-stream method? thom_edison: 23:37:59 - multiple stream adresses? (seems mostly unelegant and confusing to have multiple audio-streams playing at the same time - and undemocraticaly bandwith demanding...) thom_edison: 23:38:06 - one (or more) html frame that reads in succesion different mp3 files uploaded beforehand by the performers (in that case it would be "less live")? aether9: 23:38:24 one master sound patch could group several streams and re-broadcast them From theleague at [nospam] imaginaryscience.org Fri Jul 6 12:34:19 2007 From: theleague at [nospam] imaginaryscience.org (theleague at [nospam] imaginaryscience.org) Date: Fri, 06 Jul 2007 06:34:19 -0400 Subject: [aether] another participant for 7/7/7 Message-ID: <20070706063419.s3mzevqi3cgssocc {a+} www.remotecontrolmonkey.tv> FYI: the League's Jeremy in LA (Dr. William T. Madmann) is available as well - so another of the squares... - LUCY/ League From cymnet at [nospam] gmail.com Fri Jul 6 13:02:51 2007 From: cymnet at [nospam] gmail.com (cym net) Date: Fri, 6 Jul 2007 13:02:51 +0200 Subject: [aether] Fwd: 070707 UpStage Festival: coming live to a screen very very near you ... In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <95c795f70707060402q2eb808edt5ff839569217eebc {a+} mail.gmail.com> It seems we are not the only ones performing on 070707 For a list of performances have a look at: http://upstage.org.nz/blog/?page_id=51 cym ---------- Forwarded message ---------- From: Helen Varley Jamieson Date: Jul 6, 2007 12:40 PM The 070707 UpStage Festival kicks off in less than 24 hours, live online and at the New Zealand Film Archive in Wellington, NZ. From 2.30 to 11.30pm NZ time, on Saturday 7th July, performances created in UpStage by artists from around the world will delight, entrance, engage, baffle, amuse and rock you! http://www.upstage.org.nz has all the information, including links to find your local time for each show, and 15 minutes before each show there will be a live link directly to the stage for that show. come and be part of this festival of online performance! h : ) -- ____________________________________________________________ helen varley jamieson: creative catalyst helen at creative-catalyst.com http://www.creative-catalyst.com http://www.avatarbodycollision.org http://www.upstage.org.nz http://www.writerfind.com/hjamieson.htm ____________________________________________________________ From chloecramer at [nospam] gmail.com Fri Jul 6 15:41:37 2007 From: chloecramer at [nospam] gmail.com (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?chlo=E9_cramer?=) Date: Fri, 6 Jul 2007 15:41:37 +0200 Subject: [aether] performance/event ideas and first thoughts about aether9 In-Reply-To: <775015.56751.qm {a+} web62309.mail.re1.yahoo.com> References: <775015.56751.qm {a+} web62309.mail.re1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <3d22b5760707060641g60177755ta2a2a6d6d26cceee {a+} mail.gmail.com> Thank you for this comments. Beside the very important technical aspects of aether9 online performances, I think that there is an important step to make in the setting... and it was nice to read that everybody seemed to care about the reaction of the audience after the last performance. Judy's comments about how to be visually and dramaticaly more attractive are baselines we could use for the next performances : Play with colors, play with a very "manicured bodylanguage" (HANDS...), use the first person, use written text... Always have clear choices with all the visual aspects (costume, camera position, action)... As there are so many frames together, there are some formal convention that should be respected by every performer. Her propositions enclose all aspects of a live performance setting and could lead to something really nice to look at. Maybe, each performer of the cooking 070707 setting should clearly choose a line among those Judy describes and keep it all 49 minutes long. It would be nice that anyone writes it down before tomorrow evening... Looking forward to the performance Chlo? (Brussels) From cymnet at [nospam] gmail.com Fri Jul 6 16:37:10 2007 From: cymnet at [nospam] gmail.com (cym net) Date: Fri, 6 Jul 2007 16:37:10 +0200 Subject: [aether] performance/event ideas and first thoughts about aether9 In-Reply-To: <3d22b5760707060641g60177755ta2a2a6d6d26cceee {a+} mail.gmail.com> References: <775015.56751.qm {a+} web62309.mail.re1.yahoo.com> <3d22b5760707060641g60177755ta2a2a6d6d26cceee {a+} mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <95c795f70707060737v27a1375aq8ea60ab7ee790aa7 {a+} mail.gmail.com> Hello all, I think that some important points are brought up. Judy's mail pointed out a lot of details that we should start to think about. I was reading her mail again today and we should definitely start thinking about 'how to be visually and dramaticaly more attractive', even on a 192x166 pixel screen. Also someone brought up the idea of a curtain. I really like this idea. I was thinking about it before, if it would be technically possible to create a curtain for the website. But maybe we can start using this element first on each cam. Each cam could have a clear start with the opening of a curtain or something similar. I will think of a line for my performance from Wd8 tomorrow. Definetly i will build the story around the first ripe tomatoes in the vegetable garden. I will take them from the plants live as an introduction to the performance and then keep them as a symbol during the story. And i will put on a red t-shirt myself to fit with the tomatoes. Unfortunately i will be offline all day tomorrow, so there won't be time for me to try things out. Since the public presentation in Maribor was cancelled, i will now join a workshop 'experimental welding' (experimentelles schweissen) instead this weekend. Which is probably better than spending the night sleeping on some dirty sofa in Pekarna, so i am actually happy that i won't have to be in Maribor and that i can join you cooking :-) Anyway, a photo of the first Wd8 tomatoes is at: http://wd8.org/ See you tomorrow! cym On 7/6/07, chlo? cramer wrote: > Thank you for this comments. > Beside the very important technical aspects of aether9 online > performances, I think that there is an important step to make in the > setting... and it was nice to read that everybody seemed to care about > the reaction of the audience after the last performance. > > Judy's comments about how to be visually and dramaticaly more > attractive are baselines we could use for the next performances : > > Play with colors, play with a very "manicured bodylanguage" > (HANDS...), use the first person, use written text... > Always have clear choices with all the visual aspects (costume, camera > position, action)... As there are so many frames together, there are > some formal convention that should be respected by every performer. > Her propositions enclose all aspects of a live performance setting and > could lead to something really nice to look at. > > Maybe, each performer of the cooking 070707 setting should clearly > choose a line among those Judy describes and keep it all 49 minutes > long. > It would be nice that anyone writes it down before tomorrow evening... > > Looking forward to the performance > Chlo? (Brussels) > _______________________________________________ > aether mailing list > aether at [nospam] 1904.cc > http://lists.1904.cc/mailman/listinfo/aether > From nova at [nospam] viator.si Fri Jul 6 16:48:19 2007 From: nova at [nospam] viator.si (Luka =?UTF-8?Q?Prin=C4=8Di=C4=8D?= / Nova Viator) Date: Fri, 6 Jul 2007 16:48:19 +0200 Subject: [aether] 070707 performance - tommorow! In-Reply-To: <468DA47A.8090809 {a+} n3krozoft.com> References: <468DA47A.8090809 {a+} n3krozoft.com> Message-ID: <20070706164819.3a879a15.nova {a+} viator.si> On Fri, 06 Jul 2007 04:10:02 +0200 bk wrote: > hello fellow aethernauts, hija all! > > PARTICIPANTS > Cym (walkersdorf, austria), Lucy (norway), Laure (brussels 1), Manu > (geneva), Boris (brussels 2) > that means that we need 2 more performers in orded to be 7! who will be > there? i would love to join with my pd patch to this 'jam' if possible. however, i cannot find my webcam, so, is it allowed to shoot the cooking process with a photo camera and than do some fun[k][y] live video manipulations at the time ov performance? my location is Rakitna [.slovenia] http://maps.google.com/maps/ms?ie=UTF8&hl=en&msa=0&msid=107759503820167456207.0000011344167cf1dd37a&z=11&om=1 > > SOUND > 070707 is also the occasion to a some audio streaming experiments - i > talked with Nathalie who would is interested to stream in some audio. > Nathalie, are you able to use the audio patch? > see http://www.1904.cc/timeline/tiki-index.php?page=sound i have some thoughts on this: does it make sense to consider ogg vorbis stream instead of mp3? what are possibilities to embeed an ogg stream into a html page? how can it be achieved from more sources? > > TECHNICAL REMARK > aether9: 23:35:48 > one one important tech detail: the uploaded images will be in PNG from now cool! > aether9: 23:37:23 > size as usual, 192x144 px. named 0x.png to 9x.png ok. l, luka -- A good marriage would be between a blind wife and deaf husband. -- Michel de Montaigne + http://viator.si From cymnet at [nospam] gmail.com Fri Jul 6 21:32:19 2007 From: cymnet at [nospam] gmail.com (cym net) Date: Fri, 6 Jul 2007 21:32:19 +0200 Subject: [aether] 070707 performance - tommorow! In-Reply-To: <20070706164819.3a879a15.nova {a+} viator.si> References: <468DA47A.8090809 {a+} n3krozoft.com> <20070706164819.3a879a15.nova {a+} viator.si> Message-ID: <95c795f70707061232v47d33b56lc64ed34d9daabf4a {a+} mail.gmail.com> On 7/6/07, Luka Prin?i? / Nova Viator wrote: > On Fri, 06 Jul 2007 04:10:02 +0200 > bk wrote: > > > > PARTICIPANTS > > Cym (walkersdorf, austria), Lucy (norway), Laure (brussels 1), Manu > > (geneva), Boris (brussels 2) > > that means that we need 2 more performers in orded to be 7! who will be > > there? > > i would love to join with my pd patch to this 'jam' if possible. > however, i cannot find my webcam, so, is it allowed to shoot the > cooking process with a photo camera and than do some fun[k][y] live > video manipulations at the time ov performance? > my location is Rakitna [.slovenia] > hello luka, it is no problem to use photos taken with a digital camera and then process them into images for the webstream. christiaan (fe2cruz) and me are using a similar process. it will be nice to have some images from rakitna. i just recorded some material in walkersdorf at 21h (7pm GMT) here tonight (about 15 mins ago :), to use for the presentation tomorrow. I won't have time to do the cooking, record the images and process them all at the same time, so i will start cooking the meal now (to stay in the right timeframe with the session tomorrow) and will do the image processing tomorrow live during the jam. okay, i go back to the kitchen now, but i will be around in case someone likes to have another skype-meeting tonight cym From nova at [nospam] viator.si Fri Jul 6 22:05:57 2007 From: nova at [nospam] viator.si (Luka =?UTF-8?Q?Prin=C4=8Di=C4=8D?= / Nova Viator) Date: Fri, 6 Jul 2007 22:05:57 +0200 Subject: [aether] 070707 performance - tommorow! In-Reply-To: <95c795f70707061232v47d33b56lc64ed34d9daabf4a {a+} mail.gmail.com> References: <468DA47A.8090809 {a+} n3krozoft.com> <20070706164819.3a879a15.nova {a+} viator.si> <95c795f70707061232v47d33b56lc64ed34d9daabf4a {a+} mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <20070706220557.98c7ab65.nova {a+} viator.si> On Fri, 6 Jul 2007 21:32:19 +0200 "cym net" wrote: > it is no problem to use photos taken with a digital camera and then > process them into images for the webstream. christiaan (fe2cruz) and > me are using a similar process. cool. in any case i will make little videos without sound (which my camera is unable to record anyway) and then process them in my kinoko modular video toolkit for pd/pdp/pidip (althought pidip is resisting any cooperation last couple of days - i need to employ some more concentrated tomato juic^K^K^K^K er.. compiling tools) if anyone is interested, kinoko is here: http://viator.si/kinoko/ > it will be nice to have some images from rakitna. i just recorded some :) > material in walkersdorf at 21h (7pm GMT) here tonight (about 15 mins > ago :), to use for the presentation tomorrow. I won't have time to do > the cooking, record the images and process them all at the same time, > so i will start cooking the meal now (to stay in the right timeframe > with the session tomorrow) and will do the image processing tomorrow > live during the jam. yay! ll -- Genius, n.: A chemist who discovers a laundry additive that rhymes with "bright." + http://viator.si From theleague at [nospam] imaginaryscience.org Fri Jul 6 22:31:04 2007 From: theleague at [nospam] imaginaryscience.org (theleague at [nospam] imaginaryscience.org) Date: Fri, 06 Jul 2007 16:31:04 -0400 Subject: [aether] final TWO for 7/7/7 Message-ID: <20070706163104.v0r5jwgw4v34c88s {a+} www.remotecontrolmonkey.tv> Dear Aethernauts: good news on the food front - Dr. Schleidan and Dr. Madmann can each participate live from LA tomorrow - so the League will be split this time into three participants... still wondering what we're making! any recipes? or just food fun? Gomez From theleague at [nospam] imaginaryscience.org Fri Jul 6 22:38:05 2007 From: theleague at [nospam] imaginaryscience.org (theleague at [nospam] imaginaryscience.org) Date: Fri, 06 Jul 2007 16:38:05 -0400 Subject: [aether] question - logistics Message-ID: <20070706163805.do366fodol4wwggs {a+} www.remotecontrolmonkey.tv> any chance the 3 league members can get 3 squares that are aligned? From cymnet at [nospam] gmail.com Fri Jul 6 22:55:58 2007 From: cymnet at [nospam] gmail.com (cym net) Date: Fri, 6 Jul 2007 22:55:58 +0200 Subject: [aether] final TWO for 7/7/7 In-Reply-To: <20070706163104.v0r5jwgw4v34c88s {a+} www.remotecontrolmonkey.tv> References: <20070706163104.v0r5jwgw4v34c88s {a+} www.remotecontrolmonkey.tv> Message-ID: <95c795f70707061355o75928d7k692da3c918c89d9e {a+} mail.gmail.com> i will be making tree-color pasta (fusilli tricolori) with tomato sauce, with some vegetables added to the tomato sauce in fact i am eating the pasta right now already and didn't start making the sauce yet, but i will try to do that still later tonight to have all the material ready for tomorrow i need to first download the movies of the first part and charge the batteries before i can continue the second part of cooking. it takes quite some planning to cook a meal online are there any other recipes? does anyone else already know what s/he will cook? by the way, the three colored pasta i used is green, orange and white. i might stick to those colors also with the vegetables and add the red tomatoes as a contrast... any suggestions how to add numbers and formulas to the recipe? happy cooking, cym On 7/6/07, theleague at [nospam] imaginaryscience.org wrote: > Dear Aethernauts: good news on the food front - Dr. Schleidan and Dr. > Madmann can each participate live from LA tomorrow - so the League > will be split this time into three participants... > > still wondering what we're making! any recipes? or just food fun? > > Gomez > _______________________________________________ > aether mailing list > aether at [nospam] 1904.cc > http://lists.1904.cc/mailman/listinfo/aether > From cymnet at [nospam] gmail.com Fri Jul 6 23:16:17 2007 From: cymnet at [nospam] gmail.com (cym net) Date: Fri, 6 Jul 2007 23:16:17 +0200 Subject: [aether] question - logistics In-Reply-To: <20070706163805.do366fodol4wwggs {a+} www.remotecontrolmonkey.tv> References: <20070706163805.do366fodol4wwggs {a+} www.remotecontrolmonkey.tv> Message-ID: <95c795f70707061416nfabca38gb437a263f300c452 {a+} mail.gmail.com> it seems we are 8 now? is that okay? can we make it a 7+1 performance? 7+1 squares? for me it would be okay On 7/6/07, theleague at [nospam] imaginaryscience.org wrote: > any chance the 3 league members can get 3 squares that are aligned? > _______________________________________________ > aether mailing list > aether at [nospam] 1904.cc > http://lists.1904.cc/mailman/listinfo/aether > From cymnet at [nospam] gmail.com Sat Jul 7 01:09:54 2007 From: cymnet at [nospam] gmail.com (cym net) Date: Sat, 7 Jul 2007 01:09:54 +0200 Subject: [aether] tech questions Message-ID: <95c795f70707061609x62c51dffg4fb792251175cf5e {a+} mail.gmail.com> can i use the same ftp server for the 070707 performance as for brussels? (aether.smtp.ru) my images are named cym_000.jpg to cym_009.jpg (same like last time in brussels) i can change them into png, but the names will stay: cym_000.png to cym_009.png can you make the html-page so it will work with these names? i already put 10 png images in my folder (/cym), so you can test it. it would be easier for me if you leave them as jpgs for this session, my jpgs are much much smaller than the pngs (about 3k for the jpg vs 26k for the png) and i won't have to change them into png. (vdub doesn't save as png) i will be offline all day tomorrow. i will probably join into the session only shortly before 7 UCT but i prepared at least some of the material already so i should be ready to start immediately see you all tomorrow, cym From fougeras_nathalie at [nospam] yahoo.fr Sat Jul 7 11:45:50 2007 From: fougeras_nathalie at [nospam] yahoo.fr (fougeras nathalie) Date: Sat, 7 Jul 2007 11:45:50 +0200 (CEST) Subject: [aether] RE : aether Digest, Vol 3, Issue 5 In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <484016.38414.qm {a+} web26606.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> Hi all, Sorry, I'm working very much but I read posts So I'm ready to participate together with you to this jam session meal this night :) specially by sound and because my camera is out happy good meal.. Nathalie > > SOUND > 070707 is also the occasion to a some audio > streaming experiments - i > talked with Nathalie who would is interested to > stream in some audio. > Nathalie, are you able to use the audio patch? > see > http://www.1904.cc/timeline/tiki-index.php?page=sound > > > ARCHIVING > we haven't discussed this really - how to > efficiently archive aether9 > performances? > there are some screen capture applications that > could make it i guess > like "screen movie recorder" or "snapz pro" (for > macs i don't have > registered versions though). > > > TECHNICAL REMARK > aether9: 23:35:48 > one one important tech detail: the uploaded images > will be in PNG from now > aether9: 23:37:23 > size as usual, 192x144 px. named 0x.png to 9x.png > > > See you all soon! > Boris > --- > > highlights of the skype discussion: > > thom_edison: 22:35:47 > J. Nylon made very interesting proposals in the > wiki, but i feel that > saturday 070707 is coming too soon to work on them > effectively, as so > many people may be involved - i feel that we should > concentrate on > something less "deep" if i may say... > Remote Control Monkey: 22:54:17 > eating across a network has good history - lots of > online dinner > parties, etc > aether9: 22:55:37 > maybe that could be a concept: an online dinner > between mathematicians... > Remote Control Monkey: 22:56:17 > perhaps some of us eating food, other numbers? > cym: 22:56:26 > but i think these are all ideas for the future > Remote Control Monkey: 22:56:31 > I like the idea of cutting text/numbers/formulas > with knife and fork > cym: 22:56:33 > for saturday it will have to be more simple > cym: 22:56:41 > eating numbers? > cym: 22:57:18 > apple or orange is good, because it is a simple > shape > aether9: 22:57:37 > but an apple alone doesnt make a meal... > > Remote Control Monkey: 22:59:51 > thinking of those crazy math word problems that give > one person so many > apples, and then after 4 bites, 3 stomach aches and > 2 hungry friends > with one with allergy to apples, how many bites of > apples are left...we > could play with complex silly formulas, eat apples, > and... > aether9: 23:00:13 > fruits = > array('apples','bananas','oranges','grapes'); > cym: 23:01:41 > from the php manual: > cym: 23:01:44 > $fruits = array ( > "fruits" => array("a" => "orange", "b" => > "banana", "c" => > "apple"), > "numbers" => array(1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6), > "holes" => array("first", 5 => "second", > "third") > ); > aether9: 23:02:05 > that would make a nice salad indeed > > cym: 23:27:08 > but 7 minutes looking at the water waiting to get > boiling is very > fascinating > cym: 23:27:23 > especially when on 7 frames water is waiting to get > boiling > thom_edison: 23:27:42 > conceptually, i agree... > cym: 23:27:49 > and 7 minutes cutting vegetables with a big knife > can also be exciting > thom_edison: 23:28:09 > less conceptually, i also agree > thom_edison: 23:28:20 > more hollywood > > aether9: 23:32:15 > and btw what about the sound? > thom_edison: 23:32:20 > ah yes > cym: 23:32:34 > i was just thinking about that, the sound... > thom_edison: 23:32:49 > alejo just send a mail to the list about sound > thom_edison: 23:33:11 > (well not only sound) > aether9: 23:33:29 > in a certain way the sound makes most sense for a > really public performance > aether9: 23:33:44 > when performing i was quite too busy to really > listen to it.. > aether9: 23:34:23 > and when cooking... i will not hear it except if a > sound system is > turned on full blast > thom_edison: 23:34:45 > true - let's forget about sound - altough i belive > nathalie likes sound > and have camera-webcam problems - if she wishes - > and/or Nylon, let's see > aether9: 23:34:54 > yeah > cym: 23:35:02 > that's true, but still it would be nice to hear the > sounds from the > other kitchens > thom_edison: 23:37:51 > about sound, what are the alternatives to the > mono-stream method? > thom_edison: 23:37:59 > - multiple stream adresses? (seems mostly unelegant > and confusing to > have multiple audio-streams playing at the same time > - and > undemocraticaly bandwith demanding...) > thom_edison: 23:38:06 > - one (or more) html frame that reads in succesion > different mp3 files > uploaded beforehand by the performers (in that case > it would be "less > live")? > aether9: 23:38:24 > one master sound patch could group several streams > and re-broadcast them > > > > ------------------------------ > > _______________________________________________ > aether mailing list > aether at [nospam] 1904.cc > http://lists.1904.cc/mailman/listinfo/aether > > > End of aether Digest, Vol 3, Issue 5 > ************************************ > _____________________________________________________________________________ Ne gardez plus qu'une seule adresse mail ! Copiez vos mails vers Yahoo! Mail From theleague at [nospam] imaginaryscience.org Sat Jul 7 12:56:15 2007 From: theleague at [nospam] imaginaryscience.org (theleague at [nospam] imaginaryscience.org) Date: Sat, 07 Jul 2007 06:56:15 -0400 Subject: [aether] maybe seven Message-ID: <20070707065615.lodpamrrx9a0w08c {a+} www.remotecontrolmonkey.tv> regarding the email about being 8 - there were 5 (including me) then added 2 more in LA - think it's seven...will see this evening I suppose! From bk at [nospam] n3krozoft.com Sat Jul 7 15:01:43 2007 From: bk at [nospam] n3krozoft.com (bk) Date: Sat, 07 Jul 2007 15:01:43 +0200 Subject: [aether] 070707 news In-Reply-To: <20070707065615.lodpamrrx9a0w08c {a+} www.remotecontrolmonkey.tv> References: <20070707065615.lodpamrrx9a0w08c {a+} www.remotecontrolmonkey.tv> Message-ID: <468F8EB7.1030002 {a+} n3krozoft.com> http://1904.cc/aether/live/index.html# Hello, so we will be 7! following the set-up shaped as number 7, XXX -XX XX- i propose: NORWAY LA1 LA2 -------- BRUSSEL GENEVA SLOVENIA AUSTRIA -------- or in other words: league front n3krozoft front slovenia front in this disposition for instance: Dr. Gomez Dr. Shleidan Dr. Madmann ------------- BXL n3kro GVA n3kro Luka Cym ------------ /////////////// if the 3 league members can coordinate something, great! here in brussels we are of course goig to respect the first and last 7 minutes segments (presentation & eating) but haven't decided yet if we are going to explicitly respect the 5 middle 7 minute segments. surprise it will be. i will carefully record the performance with a camera filming a computer screen. see you all later, Boris theleague at [nospam] imaginaryscience.org wrote: > regarding the email about being 8 - there were 5 (including me) then > added 2 more in LA - think it's seven...will see this evening I suppose! > _______________________________________________ > aether mailing list > aether at [nospam] 1904.cc > http://lists.1904.cc/mailman/listinfo/aether > > From bk at [nospam] n3krozoft.com Sat Jul 7 16:27:55 2007 From: bk at [nospam] n3krozoft.com (bk) Date: Sat, 07 Jul 2007 16:27:55 +0200 Subject: [aether] frame tests and server list In-Reply-To: <484016.38414.qm {a+} web26606.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> References: <484016.38414.qm {a+} web26606.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <468FA2EB.4090102 {a+} n3krozoft.com> hi, > i just made rigorous tests to see in now much time one cycle of images is replaced by a totally new cycle of images on the html page. using the patch "upload_113" set on automatic upload at a 1 sec. interval on a mac powerbook, it takes quite exactly 20 seconds. > the frames will be like this (the league, you want to switch between your colleagues, no problem of course, as well for the slovenians...): frame1_Dr. Gomez_LA frame2_Dr.Schleidan_LA frame3_Dr.Madmann_Norway frame4_(black) frame5_n3krozoft_brussel frame6_n3krozoft_geneva frame7_Luka_Slovenia frame8_Cym_Walkersdorf frame9_(black) here is the server list according to the frames : http://www.1904.cc/timeline/tiki-index.php?page=server+list boris From nova at [nospam] viator.si Sat Jul 7 17:37:58 2007 From: nova at [nospam] viator.si (Luka =?UTF-8?Q?Prin=C4=8Di=C4=8D?= / Nova Viator) Date: Sat, 7 Jul 2007 17:37:58 +0200 Subject: [aether] frame tests and server list In-Reply-To: <468FA2EB.4090102 {a+} n3krozoft.com> References: <484016.38414.qm {a+} web26606.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> <468FA2EB.4090102 {a+} n3krozoft.com> Message-ID: <20070707173758.ac0262d2.nova {a+} viator.si> On Sat, 07 Jul 2007 16:27:55 +0200 bk wrote: > hi, > > > i just made rigorous tests to see in now much time one cycle of > images is replaced by a totally new cycle of images on the html page. > using the patch "upload_113" set on automatic upload at a 1 sec. > interval on a mac powerbook, it takes quite exactly 20 seconds. > > > the frames will be like this (the league, you want to switch between > your colleagues, no problem of course, as well for the slovenians...): > > frame1_Dr. Gomez_LA > frame2_Dr.Schleidan_LA > frame3_Dr.Madmann_Norway > frame4_(black) > frame5_n3krozoft_brussel > frame6_n3krozoft_geneva > frame7_Luka_Slovenia > frame8_Cym_Walkersdorf > frame9_(black) > > here is the server list according to the frames : > http://www.1904.cc/timeline/tiki-index.php?page=server+list oh, cool! i get the frame number 7!!! yay! i only have cym on my skype list and she will only be available just in time. what are other communication options? my skype username is lukanova. is there an irc chat too? and i'm also missing the passwords for ftp.. or is it anon upload? sorry, this is my first time... ll. -- Words have a longer life than deeds. -- Pindar + http://viator.si From nova at [nospam] viator.si Sat Jul 7 18:27:34 2007 From: nova at [nospam] viator.si (Luka =?UTF-8?Q?Prin=C4=8Di=C4=8D?= / Nova Viator) Date: Sat, 7 Jul 2007 18:27:34 +0200 Subject: [aether] AetherOne 02 - pd patch update Message-ID: <20070707182734.5570a103.nova {a+} viator.si> i updated the pd patch if anyone wants to test it just before or just in time. http://bin.viator.si/?page=AetherOne - i removed the conversion to jpg so ImageMagick dependency is no more - the images are created 0x.png - 9x.png - it works with my local machine as ftp. ll. -- I think I am an overnight sensation right now!! + http://viator.si From 1.1 [*] 1904.cc Sat Jul 7 19:21:56 2007 From: 1.1 [*] 1904.cc (1.1 [*] 1904.cc) Date: Sat, 7 Jul 2007 19:21:56 +0200 Subject: [aether] AetherOne 02 - pd patch update In-Reply-To: <20070707182734.5570a103.nova {a+} viator.si> References: <20070707182734.5570a103.nova {a+} viator.si> Message-ID: thanks luka, btw, i tested the patch on osx, substituting pdp_v4l with pdp_iee1394 it was exporting the pngs successfully, but i ran into a problem with shell - actually the object seems to be buggy on OSX (even the help-patch keeps crashing). that problem was reported on the PD list back in 2005 - cf. http://lists.puredata.info/pipermail/pd-list/2005-11/032615.html this seems to be a kind of solution, however i dont really understand what it means: "i had these kind of problem too with shell on macosx+linux. the issue was that whenever a process did exit whit a nonzero status a zombie pd process was left and shell claimed that the process was still running. the solution was to make sure that the return status of the executed script is zero and to [delay] the bang for a short while. as far as i remember i used a value below 100." it's certainly not easy to troubleshoot another system than the one you use, but maybe you have an idea what i could try? best, m >i updated the pd patch if anyone wants to test it just before or just >in time. http://bin.viator.si/?page=AetherOne > >- i removed the conversion to jpg so ImageMagick dependency is no more >- the images are created 0x.png - 9x.png >- it works with my local machine as ftp. > From theleague at [nospam] imaginaryscience.org Sat Jul 7 19:38:44 2007 From: theleague at [nospam] imaginaryscience.org (theleague at [nospam] imaginaryscience.org) Date: Sat, 07 Jul 2007 13:38:44 -0400 Subject: [aether] 7/7/7 - ftp upload Message-ID: <20070707133844.979wa5q0aoty8g4w {a+} www.remotecontrolmonkey.tv> got the ftp directories - what about user names and passwords? naming protocol? Thanks Gomez From theleague at [nospam] imaginaryscience.org Sat Jul 7 19:39:48 2007 From: theleague at [nospam] imaginaryscience.org (theleague at [nospam] imaginaryscience.org) Date: Sat, 07 Jul 2007 13:39:48 -0400 Subject: [aether] skype today? Message-ID: <20070707133948.8p8hfj0950yskcws {a+} www.remotecontrolmonkey.tv> anyone online - shall we start a skype chat? i'm Remote Control Monkey - LUCY/gomez From nova at [nospam] viator.si Sat Jul 7 20:29:00 2007 From: nova at [nospam] viator.si (Luka =?UTF-8?Q?Prin=C4=8Di=C4=8D?= / Nova Viator) Date: Sat, 7 Jul 2007 20:29:00 +0200 Subject: [aether] AetherOne 02 - pd patch update In-Reply-To: References: <20070707182734.5570a103.nova {a+} viator.si> Message-ID: <20070707202900.000ffd68.nova {a+} viator.si> On Sat, 7 Jul 2007 19:21:56 +0200 1.1 [*] 1904.cc wrote: > thanks luka, > > btw, i tested the patch on osx, substituting pdp_v4l with pdp_iee1394 > it was exporting the pngs successfully, but i ran into a problem with shell - actually the object seems to be buggy on OSX (even the help-patch keeps crashing). > > that problem was reported on the PD list back in 2005 - cf. http://lists.puredata.info/pipermail/pd-list/2005-11/032615.html > > this seems to be a kind of solution, however i dont really understand what it means: > > "i had these kind of problem too with shell on macosx+linux. the issue was that whenever a process did exit whit a nonzero status a zombie pd process was left and shell claimed that the process was still running. the solution was to make sure that the return status of the executed script is zero and to [delay] the bang for a short while. as far as i remember i used a value below 100." > > it's certainly not easy to troubleshoot another system than the one you use, but maybe you have an idea what i could try? there is a workaround. i'm attaching a modified patch. (02b) no different names, no shell object. just one png generated in /tmp/aether9.png but uploading is done in separate terminal window with a long commandline like this: ID=0; while (true); do if ((`expr $ID '>' 8`)); then ID=0; else ID=`expr $ID '+' 1`; fi; cat /tmp/aether9.png | ncftpput -u aether -p PASSWORD -c HOSTNAME $ID\x.png; sleep 1; done it's also in the patch, but you have to type it, so rather copypaste from here. also change PASSWORD and HOSTNAME. in the patch change [pdp_noise] to whatever else you want. there is also a [receive] object - [r aetherone] so you can send video signals from some other opened patch with a send object like this: [s aetherone] sleep 1 means wait one second (+ time it needs to upload). you can adjust this. hope it helps -- An investment in knowledge always pays the best interest. -- Benjamin Franklin + http://viator.si From cymnet at [nospam] gmail.com Sat Jul 7 23:44:07 2007 From: cymnet at [nospam] gmail.com (cym net) Date: Sat, 7 Jul 2007 23:44:07 +0200 Subject: [aether] 070707 snapshots Message-ID: <95c795f70707071444l74979e56w191ca6419818a293 {a+} mail.gmail.com> Attached are about 55 snapshots from tonight They were made on a dutch version of firefox, you will see the status-text at the bottom in dutch (i like this different mix of languages, we should play with that more) And luka, you should really really look at these images, the stream from the League on the top 3 frames is really nice! I am really sorry i missed it. I think the idea is great and something we should try out on 9 frames everyone together. It seems the file is too big to attach, you can download it from http://cym.net/aether9/ cym From nova at [nospam] viator.si Sun Jul 8 08:34:31 2007 From: nova at [nospam] viator.si (Luka =?UTF-8?Q?Prin=C4=8Di=C4=8D?= / Nova Viator) Date: Sun, 8 Jul 2007 08:34:31 +0200 Subject: [aether] new version of pd patch - AetherOne - 03 In-Reply-To: <20070707202900.000ffd68.nova {a+} viator.si> References: <20070707182734.5570a103.nova {a+} viator.si> <20070707202900.000ffd68.nova {a+} viator.si> Message-ID: <20070708083431.06347307.nova {a+} viator.si> > On Sat, 7 Jul 2007 19:21:56 +0200 > 1.1 [*] 1904.cc wrote: > > btw, i tested the patch on osx, substituting pdp_v4l with pdp_iee1394 > > it was exporting the pngs successfully, but i ran into a problem with shell - actually the object seems to be buggy on OSX (even the help-patch keeps crashing). > > heya all! i completely rewrote the pd patch. here's a minimal changelog: 03 ~ 08.07.2007 * rewrote everything, *cough*userfriendly*cough* layout/gui?!? * added mov ogg png loaders, v4l and ieee1934 inputs * added some of kinoko video modules for manipulation * uploading can be done with internal code (using shell object) or using a provided bash/shell script that is run separately. * wrote some more in the help&etc subwindow there's a nice screenshot and tar.gz waiting for you at http://bin.viator.si/?page=AetherOne try it out. unfortunately there are new dependencies: PiDiP, playlist object and zexy. [shell] is no longer obligatory if you use the shell script. njoy. ll -- Love isn't only blind, it's also deaf, dumb, and stupid. + http://viator.si From theleague at [nospam] imaginaryscience.org Sun Jul 8 11:43:05 2007 From: theleague at [nospam] imaginaryscience.org (theleague at [nospam] imaginaryscience.org) Date: Sun, 08 Jul 2007 05:43:05 -0400 Subject: [aether] documentation Message-ID: <20070708054305.bhbug4w3dk0ko4sk {a+} www.remotecontrolmonkey.tv> Hi fellow eating aethernauts - we have a quicktime compilation of stills from the 3 top panes, archived during the event... www.alarmistfilms.com/aether7.mov Best, the League From jeremycschwartz at [nospam] yahoo.com Sun Jul 8 01:47:11 2007 From: jeremycschwartz at [nospam] yahoo.com (Jeremy Schwartz) Date: Sat, 7 Jul 2007 16:47:11 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [aether] aether 7- league comp Message-ID: <20070707234711.67388.qmail {a+} web50605.mail.re2.yahoo.com> here is a timelapse of the 3 top sections: www.alarmistfilms.com/aether7.mov -Jeremy Speed-Schwartz aka Prof. Madmann --------------------------------- Yahoo! oneSearch: Finally, mobile search that gives answers, not web links. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Useful, though from other slightly different disciplines In-Reply-To: <20070708054305.bhbug4w3dk0ko4sk {a+} www.remotecontrolmonkey.tv> Message-ID: <519946.8483.qm {a+} web62307.mail.re1.yahoo.com> Hi all, I am posting info that is really a follow up to my conversation with Christaan this afternoon. These are three separate things but each is interesting in relationship to the Aether project and its possible futures. JUDY 1 .Candice Breitz is the artist I mentioned. Her work isn?t web based but she does use the juxtaposition of multiple frames in a very interesting way. http://www.artnet.com/event/80303/candice-breitz.html The above link is to sort of current work using film clips. The piece of her work that I saw in Jamaica was a 30 feed video installation that was very powerful. ?Thirty Jamaicans from all walks of life were invited to sing their version of Bob Marley?s CD boxed set ?Legend? in a professional recording studio in Port Antonio, Jamaica. Each participant was invited to individually re-perform the entire Legend album from beginning to end. The resulting thirty performances are screened simultaneously on a wall of thirty monitors. Stubbornly insisting on the exact format of the original fourteen-track album, as if to acknowledge the undeniable role that marketing has played in the packaging of the Marley myth, Breitz?s ?Legend? strips away the voice of Marley and the familiar musical arrangements, so that ultimately Marley remains present in the work ONLY through the voices of his fans. The work thus invites us to imagine a charismatic cultural icon not as a monolithic and isolated figure, but rather as a complex composite of those whose stories he has told and those whose lives continue to be inflected through his music?. That is from the press release. 2 .The Node group in London .are revamping. The new mailing list is here if you wish to join. BECAUSE they have been organized for a while, it is always interesting to check in. Their calendar announcements last year were international & quite good: > _______________________________________________ > nodel-discuss mailing list > nodel-discuss at one.server1.org > http://one.server1.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/nodel-discuss calendar on www.nodel.org http://wiki.nodel.org Below is the last posting with info on how they were sponsored (initial budget breakdown imposed on them) by the British Arts Council: Date: Thu, 12 Jul 2007 18:27:55 +0100 From: "Saul Albert" To: "Mamading Ceesay" CC: nodel-discuss at one.server1.org Subject: Re: [nodel-discuss] nodel newcomer's resource guide Hi Mamading, On Tue, Jul 03, 2007 at 01:14:57PM +0100, Mamading Ceesay wrote: > What are the "immutables"? > How did they come to be, what were the values and priorities that informed that decision? There is a good outline of this in the 'in a nutshell' document that I've rescued from the old NODE.London 2006 wiki: http://wiki.nodel.org/index.php/NODE.London_2006_in_a_nutshell#Mutable_and_Immutable_decisions: The 'immutables' were a set of immutable rules, set out by Arts Council England (who funded NODE.London 2006) - as to how their money was spent. These included (in 2006): * 15k - software tools to facilitate SMAL. * 55k - total to work with. * 5k - publicist. * 4.5k - tech support. * 10k - co-ordinator. (but role outline is mutable) * 30k - projects * 2k - contingency * ?500 - meeting expenses & hospitality The mutables were: * title * dates * theme * content & distribution of project resources 3 Also interesting is theoretician, Ghislaine Boddington, Her advocacy for an alternative way of artists working with each other, in an changing lineup according to the demands of each project, has influenced me. This outline is from a speaking engagement: She and I think many of BodyDataSpace are members of nodel. http://www.bodydataspace.net/ Co-Authorship/ Multi-skilling moderated by Ghislaine Boddington Observations * Multi-skillling - issues of talent versus skill, often forced by economic pressures and can leads to lower quality outcomes. Positive results are individual awareness and respect through knowledge. * The need to demystify technology and therefore democratise the processes of access and collaboration. Important however to develop ways to judge and perceive quality. * Exposure is not the same as immersion in new skills. Exposure is good for increasing awareness of others skills, immersion allows specialist development. * Hierarchies of profile exist within groups and these perceptions need to be broken down. Need to learn from new group work models used in other sectors in order to build effective teams and foster openness, respect and trust. Practical Points * The funding system needs to be more flexible in order to respond to evolving collaborative processes and must allow space for the development of new group work and production methodologies. * There is a need to develop joint training processes to develop an appreciation of specialist skills and to prepare for collaboration Seminar Summary >From these shared ideas a wider discussion formalised the summary points of the seminar:- * The interconnection of ideas discussed refered as much to art and life as art and technology * The generic humanity of the artistic investigations into technology - body/mind/machine * The need for training and research time * The need for new models of production and distribution * The vast range of new language and theory emerging in this field * The commitment, experience and engagement of practitioners in this field * The need for feedback to build confidence and communication networks For further information * shinkansen - www.shinkansen.co.uk * ResCen - www.adpa.mdx.ac.uk/rescen * Random - www.cyberiacafe.net/random Final summary transcribed and written up from the group input by Sophie Hansen and Ghislaine Boddington (shinkansen and ResCen Middlesex University, London) Copyright - shinkansen/ResCen/Random 1999/2000. 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Questions/R?ponses http://fr.answers.yahoo.com From 1.1 [*] 1904.cc Fri Jul 13 21:04:43 2007 From: 1.1 [*] 1904.cc (1.1 [*] 1904.cc) Date: Fri, 13 Jul 2007 21:04:43 +0200 Subject: [aether] more items of info In-Reply-To: <519946.8483.qm {a+} web62307.mail.re1.yahoo.com> References: <519946.8483.qm {a+} web62307.mail.re1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: hi, thanks for the input. the financing model of nodeL is a good inspiration, since i'm right now completing a submission for that call-for-projects of swiss Tv, and need to give a budget. if you want to discuss on this, i will try to be on skype tonight and tomorrow. URGENT NEWS ITEM 1: we're wanted at the Net User 4 event, in Bulgaria: "We wanna stream your project and show it to our participants. Please choose a date between 17th and 22nd of July and time (CET) to set the things and have your project shown." concept, content, participants, date and time have to be defined! it would seem logical to implement as much as possible the ideas formulated on the "script in progress" page. I will ask them if they can pay us a fee, but be conscious that the possibilities in Bulgaria aren't the same as in NL, so i wouldnt count too much on this. URGENT NEWS ITEM 2: for the swiss project submission, i need a short curriculum vitae (resume) of all persons implicated. so, if you wish to be mentioned, please send me that by tomorrow. LESS URGENT ITEMS: here's a little list of "to-dos" for the project's further development: - test and develop the Puredata video-upload patch developed by Nova Viator (test it under OSX, Win...), and make it as user-friendly as possible. - develop a version of the audio-streaming patch in Puredata. There were some requests about the possibilty of having sound coming from multiple locations. The best thing is probably to have a "master sound patch" that can group several streams and re-broadcast them. It would make sense to develop this in Puredata rather than Max, since there is much better support for audio streaming in Puredata (there is no object in Max to receive the mp3 stream for example, while this works fine in Puredata, even under OSX. and of course there's also OGG support in Pd). Note that some similar projects exist already and could be used as a working base, have a look at: http://homepage.mac.com/doktorp/projects/anyware.html (includes some Pd patches for download) and http://tot.sat.qc.ca/down_nslam.html (various downloads, not all files are working though) and http://tot.sat.qc.ca/logiciels_nslam.html (explanations in french) - the HTML interface should be further developed, some of us were thinking about integrating some frame / curtain. I was thinking recently that it could be interesting to use the opacity effect that browsers support nowadays (this feature works currently in Firefox, safari, even IE...). So each still image could fade to the next, with a result approaching the effect of video transmission. Would be interesting to check how this looks, but there is some dirty javascripting involved... If any HTML-coder among us has some time to devote... also, in general, we should discuss how exactly we want the ether project to evolve. i am thinking about some new concepts on which i will expand, but in short: the weakest point in my eye in all type of online performances, for a viewer, is that there are 99.9% chances that he will miss the right time... so i'm thinking of having some sort of "permament program" running, but i would prefer it to be not just an archive of performances, rather something interactively self-evolving, nourrished by imagery accumulated during the performances... another micro-idea: one thing we should absolutely try in a future performance is a road movie concept: the 9 frames showing simultaneously imagery filmed through the front window of a vehicle on some highway, shot on our different locations.. that's it for now, best, manuel From: christiaan cruz >since we run the PD version on linux it still counts right? >cym & I use Vdub too. >http://www.piksel.no/piksel07/subform.html hmm, maybe, but then more than one person should be capable to use it... ;) From 1.1 [*] 1904.cc Fri Jul 13 22:06:36 2007 From: 1.1 [*] 1904.cc (1.1 [*] 1904.cc) Date: Fri, 13 Jul 2007 22:06:36 +0200 Subject: [aether] more items of info In-Reply-To: References: <519946.8483.qm {a+} web62307.mail.re1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: hej i just noticed that luka participated in that event, back in 2004... http://share.dj/anyware/ljubljana.html > >Note that some similar projects exist already and could be used as a >working base, have a look at: >http://homepage.mac.com/doktorp/projects/anyware.html (includes some >Pd patches for download) From 1.1 [*] 1904.cc Fri Jul 13 22:12:44 2007 From: 1.1 [*] 1904.cc (1.1 [*] 1904.cc) Date: Fri, 13 Jul 2007 22:12:44 +0200 Subject: [aether] next perf dates Message-ID: regarding the dates for the performance for NetUser4 in Bulgaria: possible dates for me are from 18th to 20th (on 20th i'll be in dortmund, germany, but it should be possible to get a connection there). 21st and 22nd i will be too busy. best, manuel From alejoduque at [nospam] gmail.com Fri Jul 13 22:57:34 2007 From: alejoduque at [nospam] gmail.com (alejo d) Date: Fri, 13 Jul 2007 22:57:34 +0200 Subject: [aether] next perf dates In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: hola, On 7/13/07, 1.1 [*] 1904.cc <1.1 [*] 1904.cc> wrote: > regarding the dates for the performance for NetUser4 in Bulgaria: > possible dates for me are from 18th to 20th (on 20th i'll be in > dortmund, germany, but it should be possible to get a connection > there). 21st and 22nd i will be too busy. > since i will be there also | satellite voyeurism |, i surely will join... i will pack my old webam with me then.. :) /a From fougeras_nathalie at [nospam] yahoo.fr Sat Jul 14 20:40:12 2007 From: fougeras_nathalie at [nospam] yahoo.fr (fougeras nathalie) Date: Sat, 14 Jul 2007 20:40:12 +0200 (CEST) Subject: [aether] RE : next perf dates In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <14626.49575.qm {a+} web26602.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> hi for me too: it is possible from 18th to 19th the night and 20th to 22th days and nights Nathalie --- 1.1 [*] 1904.cc a ?crit : > regarding the dates for the performance for NetUser4 > in Bulgaria: > possible dates for me are from 18th to 20th (on 20th > i'll be in > dortmund, germany, but it should be possible to get > a connection > there). 21st and 22nd i will be too busy. > > best, > manuel > _______________________________________________ > aether mailing list > aether at [nospam] 1904.cc > http://lists.1904.cc/mailman/listinfo/aether > _____________________________________________________________________________ Ne gardez plus qu'une seule adresse mail ! Copiez vos mails vers Yahoo! Mail From knickerbockerjuju at [nospam] yahoo.com Sat Jul 14 22:30:20 2007 From: knickerbockerjuju at [nospam] yahoo.com (Judy Nylon) Date: Sat, 14 Jul 2007 13:30:20 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [aether] next event/patch difficulty/2004 style event& new model In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <356034.46693.qm {a+} web62312.mail.re1.yahoo.com> If we can figure out how to do this smoothly, we should inspire performance collaboration like ours in every location we touch. That said, I am still struggling a bit here. Christiaan and I got the patch to work the other night as far as getting pre-recorded video up to the Aether server from my desk top .but I never did get my built-in web camera to work with the patch. It may be easier to just get another camera! I will not be ready to be in the upcoming performance though. I have moved on to Malibu CA which is amazingly beautiful however, the reception on my mobile phone is almost non-existent and on-line access is sketchy at best. Responding to Manuel?s post .sorry to have missed your availability on Skype. I will look for you again to discuss the funding outline in your proposal. JUDY 1.1 [*] 1904.cc wrote: hej i just noticed that luka participated in that event, back in 2004... http://share.dj/anyware/ljubljana.html > >Note that some similar projects exist already and could be used as a >working base, have a look at: >http://homepage.mac.com/doktorp/projects/anyware.html (includes some >Pd patches for download) _______________________________________________ aether mailing list aether at [nospam] 1904.cc http://lists.1904.cc/mailman/listinfo/aether --------------------------------- Ready for the edge of your seat? Check out tonight's top picks on Yahoo! TV. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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LUCY On 7/14/07 8:40 PM, "fougeras nathalie" wrote: > hi > > for me too: it is possible from 18th to 19th the night > and 20th to 22th days and nights > > Nathalie > > > --- 1.1 [*] 1904.cc a ?crit : > >> regarding the dates for the performance for NetUser4 >> in Bulgaria: >> possible dates for me are from 18th to 20th (on 20th >> i'll be in >> dortmund, germany, but it should be possible to get >> a connection >> there). 21st and 22nd i will be too busy. >> >> best, >> manuel >> _______________________________________________ >> aether mailing list >> aether at [nospam] 1904.cc >> http://lists.1904.cc/mailman/listinfo/aether >> > > > > > _____________________________________________________________________________ > Ne gardez plus qu'une seule adresse mail ! Copiez vos mails vers Yahoo! Mail > _______________________________________________ > aether mailing list > aether at [nospam] 1904.cc > http://lists.1904.cc/mailman/listinfo/aether The League of Imaginary Scientists From knickerbockerjuju at [nospam] yahoo.com Sat Jul 14 23:10:05 2007 From: knickerbockerjuju at [nospam] yahoo.com (Judy Nylon) Date: Sat, 14 Jul 2007 14:10:05 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [aether] answers to points made by Manuel In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <720234.14642.qm {a+} web62309.mail.re1.yahoo.com> 1. about the anywhere/anytime 2004 project...my first instinctive response: This anywhere/anycast/anystream info was very interesting. My gestural understanding of it is that in using one centralized place, one engaged, curated hardware-heavy studio to mix numerous streams . the event host entity narrows down who can participate. I keep stressing my agenda to mainstream anything we do. That is to take the power of selecting who gets to broadcast and which artists are selected to participate away from the gallery/dealer structure completely. I do not mean that we cannot have them sponsor or host performance events; I am simply weary of letting them curate it or play kingmaker in any way because we are working ?by their grace? at their funded location point of presentation. I feel that we can trust in the interest the public has to want to buy tickets or t-shirts .or just to show up and be engaged. I recently went to a lecture at an NYU space discussing whether an artistic radical gesture was possible in this current climate. I couldn?t help but notice how the 4 people chosen to sit on stage were all critics and curators or dealers and how they were attempting to shape the historical stream by providing second hand observations. The 2007 way of trying to do this that we are trying to work with, that is decentralized, with easily accessible softs and a commonly accessible server is an important guideline. 2. regarding a CV and I am probably too late because I was off-line. The gist of my punk/music past is up on Wikipedia. All I can add is that I was flattered to read it and that I didn't have any input to writing it. Since then I have worked within a number digi art projects with the artist Toni Dove ( there is a DVD out on Cycling74) and was until recently (seven years) a consultant to ESRB (electronic software rating board) a non-profit that works with game designers' to maintain uniform standards of self-regulation and avert government imposed guidelines/censorship. I have also published a few essays over the years on music and culture in a first person voice which I think is the important element now that time and location are less fixed . 3. I agree that a re-occurring broadcast might be a way to keep people from missing performances. Perhaps we can license them to something more established. Context is everything when you want to be found in space. Yes, an equally owned archive of our performances/image + data self recorded is essential. An online archive that we can all build new pieces from/ re-mix...but will always carry the Aether credit. 4. I absolutely agree and am most excited to develop the 'road film' model. Most all of the locations I go to would be great to share even in poetic close-up. I also love the very personal 'fly on the wall' viewing of other people's locations. Maybe we can start each performance with a couple of minutes of location shot to set up where each artist actually is/or imagines to be if the story/character requires. That can be the opening curtain of each square. I am taking some small video grabs & stills with my Casio Exlim even now for later use! Manuel, look forward to a skype chat when we can finally catch the right time. JUDY 1.1 [*] 1904.cc wrote: hi, thanks for the input. the financing model of nodeL is a good inspiration, since i'm right now completing a submission for that call-for-projects of swiss Tv, and need to give a budget. if you want to discuss on this, i will try to be on skype tonight and tomorrow. URGENT NEWS ITEM 1: we're wanted at the Net User 4 event, in Bulgaria: "We wanna stream your project and show it to our participants. Please choose a date between 17th and 22nd of July and time (CET) to set the things and have your project shown." concept, content, participants, date and time have to be defined! it would seem logical to implement as much as possible the ideas formulated on the "script in progress" page. I will ask them if they can pay us a fee, but be conscious that the possibilities in Bulgaria aren't the same as in NL, so i wouldnt count too much on this. URGENT NEWS ITEM 2: for the swiss project submission, i need a short curriculum vitae (resume) of all persons implicated. so, if you wish to be mentioned, please send me that by tomorrow. LESS URGENT ITEMS: here's a little list of "to-dos" for the project's further development: - test and develop the Puredata video-upload patch developed by Nova Viator (test it under OSX, Win...), and make it as user-friendly as possible. - develop a version of the audio-streaming patch in Puredata. There were some requests about the possibilty of having sound coming from multiple locations. The best thing is probably to have a "master sound patch" that can group several streams and re-broadcast them. It would make sense to develop this in Puredata rather than Max, since there is much better support for audio streaming in Puredata (there is no object in Max to receive the mp3 stream for example, while this works fine in Puredata, even under OSX. and of course there's also OGG support in Pd). Note that some similar projects exist already and could be used as a working base, have a look at: http://homepage.mac.com/doktorp/projects/anyware.html (includes some Pd patches for download) and http://tot.sat.qc.ca/down_nslam.html (various downloads, not all files are working though) and http://tot.sat.qc.ca/logiciels_nslam.html (explanations in french) - the HTML interface should be further developed, some of us were thinking about integrating some frame / curtain. I was thinking recently that it could be interesting to use the opacity effect that browsers support nowadays (this feature works currently in Firefox, safari, even IE...). So each still image could fade to the next, with a result approaching the effect of video transmission. Would be interesting to check how this looks, but there is some dirty javascripting involved... If any HTML-coder among us has some time to devote... also, in general, we should discuss how exactly we want the ether project to evolve. i am thinking about some new concepts on which i will expand, but in short: the weakest point in my eye in all type of online performances, for a viewer, is that there are 99.9% chances that he will miss the right time... so i'm thinking of having some sort of "permament program" running, but i would prefer it to be not just an archive of performances, rather something interactively self-evolving, nourrished by imagery accumulated during the performances... another micro-idea: one thing we should absolutely try in a future performance is a road movie concept: the 9 frames showing simultaneously imagery filmed through the front window of a vehicle on some highway, shot on our different locations.. that's it for now, best, manuel From: christiaan cruz >since we run the PD version on linux it still counts right? >cym & I use Vdub too. >http://www.piksel.no/piksel07/subform.html hmm, maybe, but then more than one person should be capable to use it... ;) _______________________________________________ aether mailing list aether at [nospam] 1904.cc http://lists.1904.cc/mailman/listinfo/aether --------------------------------- 8:00? 8:25? 8:40? Find a flick in no time with theYahoo! Search movie showtime shortcut. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.1904.cc/pipermail/aether/attachments/20070714/74c33273/attachment.html From theleague at [nospam] imaginaryscience.org Sun Jul 15 00:12:30 2007 From: theleague at [nospam] imaginaryscience.org (The League of Imaginary Scientists) Date: Sun, 15 Jul 2007 00:12:30 +0200 Subject: [aether] League bio/info Message-ID: Here?s some info on League activities ? needs to be updated, but it should work... Let me know if need more. The following link lists League activities - http://www.imaginaryscience.org/experiments.html Very short bio - The League of Imaginary Scientists is a non-exclusive society for creative scientists, mechanically-inclined artists, absurdist inventors, and self-proclaimed quacks (think subterfuge meets centrifuge). - Lucy (Dr. Gomez) -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.1904.cc/pipermail/aether/attachments/20070715/18e538a3/attachment.html From nova at [nospam] viator.si Sun Jul 15 01:22:49 2007 From: nova at [nospam] viator.si (Luka Princic / Nova Viator) Date: Sun, 15 Jul 2007 01:22:49 +0200 Subject: [aether] next event/patch difficulty/2004 style event& new model In-Reply-To: <356034.46693.qm {a+} web62312.mail.re1.yahoo.com> References: <356034.46693.qm {a+} web62312.mail.re1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <20070715012249.78a494af.nova {a+} viator.si> On Sat, 14 Jul 2007 13:30:20 -0700 (PDT) Judy Nylon wrote: > If we can figure out how to do this smoothly, we should inspire performance collaboration like ours in every location we touch. > > That said, I am still struggling a bit here. Christiaan and I got the patch to work the other night as far as getting pre-recorded video up to the Aether server from my desk top_.but I never did get my built-in web camera to work with the patch. It may be easier to just get another camera! I will not be ready to be in the upcoming performance though. > are you talking about the PureData patch? are you on mac? using macOSX? i'm not sure v4l (video4linux) works on macOSX pdp. i have no hardware so it's hard for me to test. anyone with macOS here with more experience how to get (internal) webcam working with PD? > 1.1 [*] 1904.cc wrote: hej > i just noticed that luka participated in that event, back in 2004... > http://share.dj/anyware/ljubljana.html hey, yeha, yay! true! ;-) ll -- I have learned silence from the talkative, toleration from the intolerant, and kindness from the unkind. -- Kahlil Gibran + http://viator.si From 1.1 [*] 1904.cc Sun Jul 15 02:56:20 2007 From: 1.1 [*] 1904.cc (1.1 [*] 1904.cc) Date: Sun, 15 Jul 2007 02:56:20 +0200 Subject: [aether] aether economics Message-ID: hi all, i drop here a proposal for open discussion. please share your thoughts... ECONOMIC RULES FOR AETHER a possible system for the economical balance of the aether project. core concept: a system of credits. ways of earning credits: - participation in performance (factors: duration; nr of public) - on-site help/setup of performance - contribution to scripts - contribution to online discussion - organising an aether workshop - contributing to the wiki/website - code work: html/puredata/max... - administrative work - public relations work - participating in a panel - writing a project application 1 credit = total amount of cash/total amount of credits In other terms, to calculate the value of 1 credit, the total amount of cash (the "bank") is divided by the total amount of credits in circulation (the sum of all the participant's credits). Example: Participant X. has earned 340 credits. An amount of 500 EUR is in the bank. A total of 6800 credits are in circulation. The value of 1 credit is 500/6800 = 0.073 EUR X. can exchange is 340 credits for 24,82 EUR The total nr of credits then changes: 6460 (6800 minus- 340) The amount of cash is now 475,18 EUR. The value of 1 credit is now 475,18/6460 = 0.073 Suddenly a grant of 5000 EUR is received: The value of 1 credit is now: 5475,18/6460 = 0,847 EUR Participant Y., who has earned 220 credits, could exchange them for 220x0,847 = 186,3 EUR ....... and i ad as attachment a possible "standard minimum fee" for performances (in french: SMIP - salaire minimum de performance). take it for what it's worth, it's evident that we will need to take in account the possibilties of the venue/country where a performance takes place... best, manuel -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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What ideas, resources and people are pooled and available? this mail (http://one.server1.org/pipermail/nodel-discuss/2007-July/000093.html) has a footnote forwarding to http://ww.invisiblechildren.com, wich rings with the idea of Judy of adressing ourselves to the 25 million people who will not be raised in a family as we understand 'family'. >>> ?ther - Tanner i was (re)watching yesterday "Jonah Who Will Be 25 in the Year 2000" and "The Salamander", 2 movies made by Alain Tanner (a man from my country and city) and filmed in Geneva in the 70's. in the dvd bonus interview, he makes the following observation: "When you create something that is politicaly and socially critical, you must do it in your country, in the country from wich you are a citizen, from wich you hold a passport, otherwise your ennemies can always tell you: - If you don't like it here, you can go home!" it makes me wonder... "go home!"... seems irrelevant now with the notion of global village. is it really? in the middle east? anyways most of us aethernauts are kids of the 68 generation, for most of us the cold war and the habit of clear enemies is non-existent. i feel that with the loss or lack of sense of History, great History as it was experienced in local daily lifes (well not by me...), it becomes a new task to come up with sensible stories (des histoires) - and aether9 badly needs stories. i'm a quite lost right now - but to come up with good "stories" for our project is my principal motivation here (i watched a bit of the stream archives here http://share.dj/anyware/ljubljana.html - it seems interesting in that respect.) adressing the questions of our audience and our macro-economical system is neccesary also for seriously answering those questions i feel. >>> audience & transmission where is the viewer, the interlocutor? is he sitting in front of his computer or is she at a media-art event? i don't see it that way. i find Judy's will to speak to "the 25 million people who will not be raised in a family as we understand 'family'" inspiring - both as an approach and as a specific problematic. her proposition to work on a multi-memoir made from our different personal stories would be a very powerfull "transmission". as i'm contributing to develop a communication technology, i notice how the idea of speaking to my own ancesters (via this "piece of technology") slowly grows upon me. interesting, here i personnaly experience the natural link between communication technologies, death and temporal paradoxes. but we also need real people sitting in front of computers, we need their presence, otherwise there's no game (or a quite autistic one...). so i wish to continue exploring ways of touching the direct viewers (short list): - humour: for sure i like it. - fear: the empty room, the empty desk themes, "formal fear". but it can become also a much more personal. - acting: i want to tend to respect a craft that is more than 2000 years old... - the public chat interface chris mentionned would be good --> embeded in the main html frame or in another html page that the public would be invited to open --> anyone as knowledge about such an html construct? >>> economics 1. the "standard minimum fee" - it's good to have standard price by principle. could be "long" or "short" simply. 2. the aether currency - i find this great! i have no clear idea if this is a viable and realistic system, but it is exciting to experiment. i try to figure what scenarii could occur in cases of sudden inflations or deflations... now, how is decided how many "aethers" i earn by posting those priceless thoughts? heated debates in perspective! >>> "permanent archives" i think about a multi-frame web interface (so similar to aether9) displaying ever-evolving images and texts: - performance archives - rss news text feeds - reuters style news images - deserts and megapoles webcams - frames uploadable by visitors (with a standalone downloadable friendly patch - to add personal images next to the reuters image flow for instance) this would form a kind of global blog (with the "comment" function working with the uploaded images) >>> FUN i uploaded the video we made Laure, Zoe, i and guests during the 070707 aether9 (or 7 then?) performance: http://1904.cc/~aether/videos/ we used a wireless camera (sending input to a radio frequency receiver wich feeded the aether upload patch). to record we used the patch-embedded "record" function, hence the tiny size - similar to the still images on the html aether page... (i recommend downloading the video to the destop and watching it resized...) i added a bit of sound with the voices of marshall mcluhan & kylie minogue to make it more bearable (or less gloomy?). Boris From alejoduque at [nospam] gmail.com Sun Jul 15 09:50:28 2007 From: alejoduque at [nospam] gmail.com (alejo d) Date: Sun, 15 Jul 2007 09:50:28 +0200 Subject: [aether] next event/patch difficulty/2004 style event& new model In-Reply-To: <20070715012249.78a494af.nova {a+} viator.si> References: <356034.46693.qm {a+} web62312.mail.re1.yahoo.com> <20070715012249.78a494af.nova {a+} viator.si> Message-ID: hola, On 7/15/07, Luka Princic / Nova Viator wrote: anyone with macOS here with more experience how to get (internal) webcam > working with PD? me neither, i have an "old world" powerbook g4, but i think i read somewhere those built-in iSight's where video for linux devices (v4l).. though this will mean installing linux for running them with pd :P apple OS will surely name that differently..and i doubt that the pdp object will be ready for hooking such device in the near future.. so this leaves the macam[1] driver the task for controlling not-built-in webcams or the use of firewirecameras...either miniDV or the external iSight. another good question for the aether FAQ! buen domingo! /a [1]http://www.teammac.com/2007/01/use_usb_webcams.html -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.1904.cc/pipermail/aether/attachments/20070715/150e4733/attachment.html From alejoduque at [nospam] gmail.com Sun Jul 15 09:58:40 2007 From: alejoduque at [nospam] gmail.com (alejo d) Date: Sun, 15 Jul 2007 09:58:40 +0200 Subject: [aether] aether economics In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: heii manuel, any references as from where you took this proposed system base idea? i didn't made a school of economics so at first glance i like your proposal very much and will like to reinterpret it for a project i have in colombia. cheers, /a On 7/15/07, 1.1 [*] 1904.cc <1.1 [*] 1904.cc> wrote: > > hi all, > > i drop here a proposal for open discussion. > please share your thoughts... > > ECONOMIC RULES FOR AETHER > > a possible system for the economical balance of the aether project. > > core concept: a system of credits. > > ways of earning credits: > - participation in performance > (factors: duration; nr of public) > - on-site help/setup of performance > - contribution to scripts > - contribution to online discussion > - organising an aether workshop > - contributing to the wiki/website > - code work: html/puredata/max... > - administrative work > - public relations work > - participating in a panel > - writing a project application > > 1 credit = total amount of cash/total amount of credits > > In other terms, to calculate the value of 1 credit, the total amount > of cash (the "bank") is divided by the total amount of credits in > circulation (the sum of all the participant's credits). > > Example: > Participant X. has earned 340 credits. > An amount of 500 EUR is in the bank. > A total of 6800 credits are in circulation. > The value of 1 credit is 500/6800 = 0.073 EUR > X. can exchange is 340 credits for 24,82 EUR > > The total nr of credits then changes: 6460 (6800 minus- 340) > The amount of cash is now 475,18 EUR. > The value of 1 credit is now 475,18/6460 = 0.073 > > Suddenly a grant of 5000 EUR is received: > The value of 1 credit is now: 5475,18/6460 = 0,847 EUR > > Participant Y., who has earned 220 credits, could exchange them for > 220x0,847 = 186,3 EUR > > ....... > > and i ad as attachment a possible "standard minimum fee" for > performances (in french: SMIP - salaire minimum de performance). > take it for what it's worth, it's evident that we will need to take > in account the possibilties of the venue/country where a performance > takes place... > > best, > manuel > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > aether mailing list > aether at [nospam] 1904.cc > http://lists.1904.cc/mailman/listinfo/aether > > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.1904.cc/pipermail/aether/attachments/20070715/9d713eb4/attachment.html From 1.1 [*] 1904.cc Sun Jul 15 12:19:36 2007 From: 1.1 [*] 1904.cc (1.1 [*] 1904.cc) Date: Sun, 15 Jul 2007 12:19:36 +0200 Subject: [aether] aether economics In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: hey alejo, glad you like it. there are no references, i was just thinking how to invent something remotely logical... maybe a bit inspired by custom currencies such as linden-dollars, etoy.shares, and the bologna ECTS credit system. best, m >heii manuel, any references as from where you took this proposed >system base idea? i didn't made a school of economics so at first >glance i like your proposal very much and will like to reinterpret >it for a project i have in colombia. > >cheers, > >/a > From 1.1 [*] 1904.cc Sun Jul 15 12:38:54 2007 From: 1.1 [*] 1904.cc (1.1 [*] 1904.cc) Date: Sun, 15 Jul 2007 12:38:54 +0200 Subject: [aether] bulgaria date - confirm please Message-ID: hi again, so 18th or 19th would the most suitable dates for the bulgaria performance? i indicated to the organisers that 19th would be the most probable, to be confirmed on monday. time and duration are still to decide. whoever wishes to participate on that date, please give a feedback. incidentally this fits well with the topic of the day of the program there: "Networks in arts and culture - inclusion, access and information flow" - The panel aims to explore different types and modes of functioning of cultural networks and to question consciousness about participation, self-positioning and navigation. Workgroup session includes mapping, taxynomy, scenario drafting. - Margarita Dorovska (Cult.bg Foundation, BG) http://netuser.bg/2007/en/?page_id=7 best, manuel From alejoduque at [nospam] gmail.com Sun Jul 15 13:25:04 2007 From: alejoduque at [nospam] gmail.com (alejo d) Date: Sun, 15 Jul 2007 13:25:04 +0200 Subject: [aether] notes In-Reply-To: <4699BFC1.5070904 {a+} n3krozoft.com> References: <4699BFC1.5070904 {a+} n3krozoft.com> Message-ID: hola, On 7/15/07, bk wrote: > > > "When you create something that is politicaly and socially critical, you > must do it in your country, in the country from wich you are a citizen, > from wich you hold a passport, otherwise your ennemies can always tell > you: - If you don't like it here, you can go home!" > it makes me wonder... > "go home!"... seems irrelevant now with the notion of global village. is > it really? in the middle east? > anyways most of us aethernauts are kids of the 68 generation, i find this paragraph a little bit confusing, since first off i dont see the political layer of the aether project, phps the "stories" will head to social or geoplotical issues, that is what i can imply. sencondly, the notion of global village as i understand from the distance was more a way to sell internet connections since in practical real life terms that epoch mcluhan envisiones has still yet to come or never did.. > aether9 badly needs stories. i'm a quite lost right now - but to come up > with good "stories" for our project is my principal motivation here i think right now that the project faces technical changes... the talk about the concept of a curtain that i still dont understand or like to much.. i will prefer the regresive counter.. the idea of keeping the performance alive through the archives (a must do), the idea of integrating a chat..i have used a chat always in the dorkbotstreams (java applets)... and always i have irc open when we stream via GISS..chat is the best friend of the streams, the newly ftp - png patches, the integration of sound... all this technical decisions are being overlooked since they determine the type of stories you tell and so far they have been pushed intuitively.. in geneva, i was admired by the way aether9 developed a sense of "historical" tie with similar performances and that help me understood why the use of ftp instead of rtsp or http icecast streams..or podcasts.. not sure if im clear there but what i mean is to define the technologies in hand with the story to tell...that will improve narrative and help that viewer... even make the viewer a participant so to get close to a "wider" audience that is not just us and our friends. in that respect i will always recall a text by eric kluitenberg... http://subsol.c3.hu/subsol_2/contributors0/kluitenbergtext.html > > but we also need real people sitting in front of computers, we need > their presence, otherwise there's no game (or a quite autistic one...). > so i wish to continue exploring ways of touching the direct viewers we are that real people, think about the different nationalities and places from where we "connect", think of this group as a basis for a wider community.. or for joining or extending others (at least as we well know sending announcements to mailing lists, blogs and art portals)...participating in a big festival or getting a big grant will get us some bigger audience? im not sure, i think it depends more in our own networking potential. So far this is a very intimate practice and is good to be consciuos of its scale... the bigger "audience" i've manage to see in one of our events was nearly 30 persons, but they where not all watching at the same stream since we had multiple places streaming.. and that was part of a big event that occurs in latin america.. - the public chat interface chris mentionned would be good --> embeded > in the main html frame or in another html page that the public would be > invited to open --> anyone as knowledge about such an html construct? is very easy: http://home.gabbly.com/ or http://www.petercooper.co.uk/archives/001038.html for sure there are many more.. one of the reasons why to include such spaces is to integrate both audience and streamers, in the case of the dorkbots or of conferences this works quite well, but in the case of networked theater wont this be like someone making little annoying noises in the room?... to bring this scenario to a higher level, why not the integrating arduinos or similar devices so words typed in the chat can be directed to control or intervene remotely.. be it from simply moving the PointOfView of the camera to dictate certain behaviours or changes in the script.. or to trigger some sound or video... theres also via puredata an object i havent explored that is able to print text over the video, and that can also be considered... opening a socket from irc into the images that are being uploaded... as always, there are many things to develop, a good example is to use the look and feel of wireless cameras as you did during the last performance, that touches subjects im more interested in.. that of surveillance, privacy, counter culture..etc we keep on, and im happy to meet manuel in germany next weekend. /a -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.1904.cc/pipermail/aether/attachments/20070715/6dff693c/attachment.html From cymnet at [nospam] gmail.com Sun Jul 15 14:15:28 2007 From: cymnet at [nospam] gmail.com (cym net) Date: Sun, 15 Jul 2007 14:15:28 +0200 Subject: [aether] cym/Wd8 bio/info Message-ID: <95c795f70707150515l1754857n47c11b58feb0d804 {a+} mail.gmail.com> very short bio: cym/Wd8 Cym (NL/A/SLO) has been traveling around Europe with laptop and digital camera researching the relations between virtual reality and real life. Recently she started an art center in an old farm in a small village in south-east Austria. The very analog surroundings of this old building with its long history are the main inspiration for her contributions to the Aether 9 performances. On 7/15/07, The League of Imaginary Scientists wrote: > > Here's some info on League activities ? needs to be updated, but it should > work... Let me know if need more. > > The following link lists League activities - > http://www.imaginaryscience.org/experiments.html > > Very short bio - > The League of Imaginary Scientists is a non-exclusive society for creative > scientists, mechanically-inclined artists, absurdist inventors, and > self-proclaimed quacks (think subterfuge meets centrifuge). > > > - Lucy (Dr. Gomez) > _______________________________________________ > aether mailing list > aether at [nospam] 1904.cc > http://lists.1904.cc/mailman/listinfo/aether > > From cymnet at [nospam] gmail.com Sun Jul 15 14:32:18 2007 From: cymnet at [nospam] gmail.com (cym net) Date: Sun, 15 Jul 2007 14:32:18 +0200 Subject: [aether] bulgaria date - confirm please In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <95c795f70707150532r5edb48b5sb9888314bcb238d0 {a+} mail.gmail.com> there is a plan that luka comes to wd8 on 19th. it would be nice if we use the pd-patch and stream together 1 webcam from wd8 on 19th. but luka should confirm if this is possible. cym On 7/15/07, 1.1 [*] 1904.cc <1.1 [*] 1904.cc> wrote: > hi again, > > so 18th or 19th would the most suitable dates for the bulgaria performance? > i indicated to the organisers that 19th would be the most probable, > to be confirmed on monday. > time and duration are still to decide. > whoever wishes to participate on that date, please give a feedback. > > incidentally this fits well with the topic of the day of the program there: > "Networks in arts and culture - inclusion, access and information > flow" - The panel aims to explore different types and modes of > functioning of cultural networks and to question consciousness about > participation, self-positioning and navigation. Workgroup session > includes mapping, taxynomy, scenario drafting. > - Margarita Dorovska (Cult.bg Foundation, BG) > http://netuser.bg/2007/en/?page_id=7 > > best, > manuel > _______________________________________________ > aether mailing list > aether at [nospam] 1904.cc > http://lists.1904.cc/mailman/listinfo/aether > From nova at [nospam] viator.si Sun Jul 15 15:13:20 2007 From: nova at [nospam] viator.si (Luka Princic / Nova Viator) Date: Sun, 15 Jul 2007 15:13:20 +0200 Subject: [aether] bulgaria date - confirm please In-Reply-To: <95c795f70707150532r5edb48b5sb9888314bcb238d0 {a+} mail.gmail.com> References: <95c795f70707150532r5edb48b5sb9888314bcb238d0 {a+} mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <20070715151320.9d7443e0.nova {a+} viator.si> On Sun, 15 Jul 2007 14:32:18 +0200 "cym net" wrote: > there is a plan that luka comes to wd8 on 19th. it would be nice if we > use the pd-patch and stream together 1 webcam from wd8 on 19th. but > luka should confirm if this is possible. true, i will be at wd8 on the 19th, so i think it should be possible. ll. > > cym > > > On 7/15/07, 1.1 [*] 1904.cc <1.1 [*] 1904.cc> wrote: > > hi again, > > > > so 18th or 19th would the most suitable dates for the bulgaria performance? > > i indicated to the organisers that 19th would be the most probable, > > to be confirmed on monday. > > time and duration are still to decide. > > whoever wishes to participate on that date, please give a feedback. > > > > incidentally this fits well with the topic of the day of the program there: > > "Networks in arts and culture - inclusion, access and information > > flow" - The panel aims to explore different types and modes of > > functioning of cultural networks and to question consciousness about > > participation, self-positioning and navigation. Workgroup session > > includes mapping, taxynomy, scenario drafting. > > - Margarita Dorovska (Cult.bg Foundation, BG) > > http://netuser.bg/2007/en/?page_id=7 > > > > best, > > manuel > > _______________________________________________ > > aether mailing list > > aether at [nospam] 1904.cc > > http://lists.1904.cc/mailman/listinfo/aether > > > _______________________________________________ > aether mailing list > aether at [nospam] 1904.cc > http://lists.1904.cc/mailman/listinfo/aether -- Send some filthy mail. + http://viator.si From nova at [nospam] viator.si Sun Jul 15 15:28:39 2007 From: nova at [nospam] viator.si (Luka Princic / Nova Viator) Date: Sun, 15 Jul 2007 15:28:39 +0200 Subject: [aether] aether economics In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <20070715152839.4d30d803.nova {a+} viator.si> On Sun, 15 Jul 2007 02:56:20 +0200 1.1 [*] 1904.cc wrote: > i drop here a proposal for open discussion. > please share your thoughts... wow, very interesting proposal. i have some quick thoughts: - the credits must dissapear from the system after some time, because if they don't the credit will be worth less and less. one way is of course when someone is actually being paid, she exchanges the credits for money. good. but what about the work that is never being exchanged/paid? there are people who don't want to be paid, or can't be bothered... i think there must be a system that prevent accumulation of unpayable credits... - there must be a central system of valuating the work. the important part is that it is fully transparent - if not participatory democratic and consensual. - it would seem to be most efficient to have some kind of online automatic 'bank'-system for reporting work and credits and seeing the status. otherwise i think it's an interesting experiment (is it experiment or a tested working model?) it reminds me a bit of the LETS system, although we don't barter between eachother but only for the project. so we don't exchange credits themselves. the good think about LETS systems was always the fact that the currency/credits are never scarce. i would like to see that here too - or is that already in this proposal too? exciting! ll > > ECONOMIC RULES FOR AETHER > > a possible system for the economical balance of the aether project. > > core concept: a system of credits. > > ways of earning credits: > - participation in performance > (factors: duration; nr of public) > - on-site help/setup of performance > - contribution to scripts > - contribution to online discussion > - organising an aether workshop > - contributing to the wiki/website > - code work: html/puredata/max... > - administrative work > - public relations work > - participating in a panel > - writing a project application > > 1 credit = total amount of cash/total amount of credits > > In other terms, to calculate the value of 1 credit, the total amount > of cash (the "bank") is divided by the total amount of credits in > circulation (the sum of all the participant's credits). > > Example: > Participant X. has earned 340 credits. > An amount of 500 EUR is in the bank. > A total of 6800 credits are in circulation. > The value of 1 credit is 500/6800 = 0.073 EUR > X. can exchange is 340 credits for 24,82 EUR > > The total nr of credits then changes: 6460 (6800 minus- 340) > The amount of cash is now 475,18 EUR. > The value of 1 credit is now 475,18/6460 = 0.073 > > Suddenly a grant of 5000 EUR is received: > The value of 1 credit is now: 5475,18/6460 = 0,847 EUR > > Participant Y., who has earned 220 credits, could exchange them for > 220x0,847 = 186,3 EUR > > ....... > > and i ad as attachment a possible "standard minimum fee" for > performances (in french: SMIP - salaire minimum de performance). > take it for what it's worth, it's evident that we will need to take > in account the possibilties of the venue/country where a performance > takes place... > > best, > manuel > > > > > > -- A likely impossibility is always preferable to an unconvincing possibility. -- Aristotle + http://viator.si From cymnet at [nospam] gmail.com Sun Jul 15 15:57:24 2007 From: cymnet at [nospam] gmail.com (cym net) Date: Sun, 15 Jul 2007 15:57:24 +0200 Subject: [aether] aether economics In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <95c795f70707150657pf53c2cdu1eb526eff8845044 {a+} mail.gmail.com> it is a very interesting proposal. the thing i am not sure about, is that the value of 1 credit changes, depending on how much money is on the bank account. the reality might be, that you have to wait till the right moment to change your credits. (the moment when the value for 1 credit is at the highest peak). at that moment everybody will change the credits. if one person changes the credits just before another one, there will be less money on the account. and the person, who comes let's say, half an hour later, will have a lower value per credit then the first one, means less money for her/his credits. or did i miss something here? for example is the total amount of credits among the participants always the same? in general i think it is a good start for a discussion to find a model and a very interesting approach. cym On 7/15/07, 1.1 [*] 1904.cc <1.1 [*] 1904.cc> wrote: > hi all, > > i drop here a proposal for open discussion. > please share your thoughts... > > ECONOMIC RULES FOR AETHER > > a possible system for the economical balance of the aether project. > > core concept: a system of credits. > > ways of earning credits: > - participation in performance > (factors: duration; nr of public) > - on-site help/setup of performance > - contribution to scripts > - contribution to online discussion > - organising an aether workshop > - contributing to the wiki/website > - code work: html/puredata/max... > - administrative work > - public relations work > - participating in a panel > - writing a project application > > 1 credit = total amount of cash/total amount of credits > > In other terms, to calculate the value of 1 credit, the total amount > of cash (the "bank") is divided by the total amount of credits in > circulation (the sum of all the participant's credits). > > Example: > Participant X. has earned 340 credits. > An amount of 500 EUR is in the bank. > A total of 6800 credits are in circulation. > The value of 1 credit is 500/6800 = 0.073 EUR > X. can exchange is 340 credits for 24,82 EUR > > The total nr of credits then changes: 6460 (6800 minus- 340) > The amount of cash is now 475,18 EUR. > The value of 1 credit is now 475,18/6460 = 0.073 > > Suddenly a grant of 5000 EUR is received: > The value of 1 credit is now: 5475,18/6460 = 0,847 EUR > > Participant Y., who has earned 220 credits, could exchange them for > 220x0,847 = 186,3 EUR > > ....... > > and i ad as attachment a possible "standard minimum fee" for > performances (in french: SMIP - salaire minimum de performance). > take it for what it's worth, it's evident that we will need to take > in account the possibilties of the venue/country where a performance > takes place... > > best, > manuel > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > aether mailing list > aether at [nospam] 1904.cc > http://lists.1904.cc/mailman/listinfo/aether > > > From nova at [nospam] viator.si Sun Jul 15 16:14:05 2007 From: nova at [nospam] viator.si (Luka Princic / Nova Viator) Date: Sun, 15 Jul 2007 16:14:05 +0200 Subject: [aether] aether economics In-Reply-To: <95c795f70707150657pf53c2cdu1eb526eff8845044 {a+} mail.gmail.com> References: <95c795f70707150657pf53c2cdu1eb526eff8845044 {a+} mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <20070715161405.77a69d0e.nova {a+} viator.si> On Sun, 15 Jul 2007 15:57:24 +0200 "cym net" wrote: > it is a very interesting proposal. the thing i am not sure about, is > that the value of 1 credit changes, depending on how much money is on > the bank account. the reality might be, that you have to wait till the > right moment to change your credits. (the moment when the value for 1 > credit is at the highest peak). at that moment everybody will change > the credits. if one person changes the credits just before another > one, there will be less money on the account. and the person, who > comes let's say, half an hour later, will have a lower value per > credit then the first one, means less money for her/his credits. i thught that was a very good point (that could be solved with payout periods. let's say quarterly or every 6 months it's a payout time and everyone who reported their credits will be payed). but then i realised when someone exchanges their credits for money, the amount of money lowers in the bank but the value of credit should stay the same because the amount of all credits is now lower too: > > An amount of 500 EUR is in the bank. > > A total of 6800 credits are in circulation. > > The value of 1 credit is 500/6800 = 0.073 EUR > > X. can exchange is 340 credits for 24,82 EUR > > The total nr of credits then changes: 6460 (6800 minus- 340) > > The amount of cash is now 475,18 EUR. > > The value of 1 credit is now 475,18/6460 = 0.073 so to think this further in my verynoneconomical mind, it means that the value of credit depends on amount of work we do (or rather amount of work that has been reported/requested in/as credits). the more of work is being requested to be paid the less the credit is worth. the more funding arrives, the more the credit is worth. so there are three processes that influence this whole system: - conversion of work into credits - the value of credit lowers, - the amount of all credits rises - conversion of credits to money - the value of credit stays the same, - the amount in bank lowers, - the amount of all credits lowers - arrival of fresh funding - the value of credit rises - the amount in bank rises i don't dare to ask should we think of the name for the curency? can this be also a (hi)story for an aether performance? i hope my line of thought/flight is okay here > or did i miss something here? for example is the total amount of > credits among the participants always the same? no. it changes. -- Rudeness is a weak man's imitation of strength. + http://viator.si From theleague at [nospam] imaginaryscience.org Sun Jul 15 17:47:50 2007 From: theleague at [nospam] imaginaryscience.org (The League of Imaginary Scientists) Date: Sun, 15 Jul 2007 17:47:50 +0200 Subject: [aether] aether economics In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Lucy/League component in Norway is available for the performance on either date - June 18 or 19. Regarding the tech discussion and patch revisions - after our first play with a patch mixing multiple video streams, for the last aether experiments the League has used Evocam for uploading - very straight-forward with clock elements and text tools built in for live webcam mixing with basic graphics. prefab gives more time to creative development... With regard to finances, the credit system is really well thought out - can it be automated, so that no one has to administer the system?! (none of us wants to be the aether accountant...) As another option, I would have no problem with an even split, with the exception of the person who applies for and gets the funding receiving an additional set percentage. The recipient of the funds could then pay out via paypal to all participants in a given project (paypal uses native currency of user). Overall, I support whatever is the consensus on the $ issue. LUCY On 7/15/07 2:56 AM, "1.1 [*] 1904.cc" <1.1 [*] 1904.cc> wrote: > hi all, > > i drop here a proposal for open discussion. > please share your thoughts... > > ECONOMIC RULES FOR AETHER > > a possible system for the economical balance of the aether project. > > core concept: a system of credits. > > ways of earning credits: > - participation in performance > (factors: duration; nr of public) > - on-site help/setup of performance > - contribution to scripts > - contribution to online discussion > - organising an aether workshop > - contributing to the wiki/website > - code work: html/puredata/max... > - administrative work > - public relations work > - participating in a panel > - writing a project application > > 1 credit = total amount of cash/total amount of credits > > In other terms, to calculate the value of 1 credit, the total amount > of cash (the "bank") is divided by the total amount of credits in > circulation (the sum of all the participant's credits). > > Example: > Participant X. has earned 340 credits. > An amount of 500 EUR is in the bank. > A total of 6800 credits are in circulation. > The value of 1 credit is 500/6800 = 0.073 EUR > X. can exchange is 340 credits for 24,82 EUR > > The total nr of credits then changes: 6460 (6800 minus- 340) > The amount of cash is now 475,18 EUR. > The value of 1 credit is now 475,18/6460 = 0.073 > > Suddenly a grant of 5000 EUR is received: > The value of 1 credit is now: 5475,18/6460 = 0,847 EUR > > Participant Y., who has earned 220 credits, could exchange them for > 220x0,847 = 186,3 EUR > > ....... > > and i ad as attachment a possible "standard minimum fee" for > performances (in french: SMIP - salaire minimum de performance). > take it for what it's worth, it's evident that we will need to take > in account the possibilties of the venue/country where a performance > takes place... > > best, > manuel > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > aether mailing list > aether at [nospam] 1904.cc > http://lists.1904.cc/mailman/listinfo/aether The League of Imaginary Scientists From knickerbockerjuju at [nospam] yahoo.com Mon Jul 16 00:29:43 2007 From: knickerbockerjuju at [nospam] yahoo.com (Judy Nylon) Date: Sun, 15 Jul 2007 15:29:43 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [aether] aether economics In-Reply-To: <95c795f70707150657pf53c2cdu1eb526eff8845044 {a+} mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <298527.32255.qm {a+} web62302.mail.re1.yahoo.com> Absolutely spot on observation from Cym. I think it may work if a quick transparent credit breakdown happens right after performance payment fee is received. Then money in the currency of the country the event took place in is sent out via Paypal or Moneybookers to those who are holding credits. We don't carry an Aether balance and as in a card game the value is at the time of play. AND like everything else in the present, the structure may change as things evolve. Receiving a large grant would require another branch of thought. I'm sure when the time comes we can rise to the occasion with a solution by agreement. The flaw I saw often in other organizations was that they lost creative time by endless discussion aimed in finding a permanent economic and artistic strategy. BUT, then I am sometimes impatient by nature under the guise of mecurial thinking. JUDY Must say this is all very interesting. I think we are onto something cym net wrote: it is a very interesting proposal. the thing i am not sure about, is that the value of 1 credit changes, depending on how much money is on the bank account. the reality might be, that you have to wait till the right moment to change your credits. (the moment when the value for 1 credit is at the highest peak). at that moment everybody will change the credits. if one person changes the credits just before another one, there will be less money on the account. and the person, who comes let's say, half an hour later, will have a lower value per credit then the first one, means less money for her/his credits. or did i miss something here? for example is the total amount of credits among the participants always the same? in general i think it is a good start for a discussion to find a model and a very interesting approach. cym On 7/15/07, 1.1 [*] 1904.cc <1.1 [*] 1904.cc> wrote: > hi all, > > i drop here a proposal for open discussion. > please share your thoughts... > > ECONOMIC RULES FOR AETHER > > a possible system for the economical balance of the aether project. > > core concept: a system of credits. > > ways of earning credits: > - participation in performance > (factors: duration; nr of public) > - on-site help/setup of performance > - contribution to scripts > - contribution to online discussion > - organising an aether workshop > - contributing to the wiki/website > - code work: html/puredata/max... > - administrative work > - public relations work > - participating in a panel > - writing a project application > > 1 credit = total amount of cash/total amount of credits > > In other terms, to calculate the value of 1 credit, the total amount > of cash (the "bank") is divided by the total amount of credits in > circulation (the sum of all the participant's credits). > > Example: > Participant X. has earned 340 credits. > An amount of 500 EUR is in the bank. > A total of 6800 credits are in circulation. > The value of 1 credit is 500/6800 = 0.073 EUR > X. can exchange is 340 credits for 24,82 EUR > > The total nr of credits then changes: 6460 (6800 minus- 340) > The amount of cash is now 475,18 EUR. > The value of 1 credit is now 475,18/6460 = 0.073 > > Suddenly a grant of 5000 EUR is received: > The value of 1 credit is now: 5475,18/6460 = 0,847 EUR > > Participant Y., who has earned 220 credits, could exchange them for > 220x0,847 = 186,3 EUR > > ....... > > and i ad as attachment a possible "standard minimum fee" for > performances (in french: SMIP - salaire minimum de performance). > take it for what it's worth, it's evident that we will need to take > in account the possibilties of the venue/country where a performance > takes place... > > best, > manuel > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > aether mailing list > aether at [nospam] 1904.cc > http://lists.1904.cc/mailman/listinfo/aether > > > _______________________________________________ aether mailing list aether at [nospam] 1904.cc http://lists.1904.cc/mailman/listinfo/aether --------------------------------- Moody friends. Drama queens. Your life? Nope! - their life, your story. Play Sims Stories at [nospam] yahoo! Games. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.1904.cc/pipermail/aether/attachments/20070715/66459838/attachment.html From knickerbockerjuju at [nospam] yahoo.com Mon Jul 16 00:44:20 2007 From: knickerbockerjuju at [nospam] yahoo.com (Judy Nylon) Date: Sun, 15 Jul 2007 15:44:20 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [aether] Info on League of Imag. Sci rec'd by JN ....Thanks In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <169434.5043.qm {a+} web62309.mail.re1.yahoo.com> I've received the League info for my radio half hour tomorrow night. Thanks Lucy, I will slip in whatever I can. I spoke with the show host this morning; it is primarily a visual arts discussion and she is not that familiar with web-based art. Judy The League of Imaginary Scientists wrote: Lucy/League component in Norway is available for the performance on either date - June 18 or 19. Regarding the tech discussion and patch revisions - after our first play with a patch mixing multiple video streams, for the last aether experiments the League has used Evocam for uploading - very straight-forward with clock elements and text tools built in for live webcam mixing with basic graphics. prefab gives more time to creative development... With regard to finances, the credit system is really well thought out - can it be automated, so that no one has to administer the system?! (none of us wants to be the aether accountant...) As another option, I would have no problem with an even split, with the exception of the person who applies for and gets the funding receiving an additional set percentage. The recipient of the funds could then pay out via paypal to all participants in a given project (paypal uses native currency of user). Overall, I support whatever is the consensus on the $ issue. LUCY On 7/15/07 2:56 AM, "1.1 [*] 1904.cc" <1.1 [*] 1904.cc> wrote: > hi all, > > i drop here a proposal for open discussion. > please share your thoughts... > > ECONOMIC RULES FOR AETHER > > a possible system for the economical balance of the aether project. > > core concept: a system of credits. > > ways of earning credits: > - participation in performance > (factors: duration; nr of public) > - on-site help/setup of performance > - contribution to scripts > - contribution to online discussion > - organising an aether workshop > - contributing to the wiki/website > - code work: html/puredata/max... > - administrative work > - public relations work > - participating in a panel > - writing a project application > > 1 credit = total amount of cash/total amount of credits > > In other terms, to calculate the value of 1 credit, the total amount > of cash (the "bank") is divided by the total amount of credits in > circulation (the sum of all the participant's credits). > > Example: > Participant X. has earned 340 credits. > An amount of 500 EUR is in the bank. > A total of 6800 credits are in circulation. > The value of 1 credit is 500/6800 = 0.073 EUR > X. can exchange is 340 credits for 24,82 EUR > > The total nr of credits then changes: 6460 (6800 minus- 340) > The amount of cash is now 475,18 EUR. > The value of 1 credit is now 475,18/6460 = 0.073 > > Suddenly a grant of 5000 EUR is received: > The value of 1 credit is now: 5475,18/6460 = 0,847 EUR > > Participant Y., who has earned 220 credits, could exchange them for > 220x0,847 = 186,3 EUR > > ....... > > and i ad as attachment a possible "standard minimum fee" for > performances (in french: SMIP - salaire minimum de performance). > take it for what it's worth, it's evident that we will need to take > in account the possibilties of the venue/country where a performance > takes place... > > best, > manuel > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > aether mailing list > aether at [nospam] 1904.cc > http://lists.1904.cc/mailman/listinfo/aether The League of Imaginary Scientists _______________________________________________ aether mailing list aether at [nospam] 1904.cc http://lists.1904.cc/mailman/listinfo/aether --------------------------------- Food fight? Enjoy some healthy debate in the Yahoo! Answers Food & Drink Q&A. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.1904.cc/pipermail/aether/attachments/20070715/2872985d/attachment.html From bk at [nospam] n3krozoft.com Mon Jul 16 14:03:08 2007 From: bk at [nospam] n3krozoft.com (bk) Date: Mon, 16 Jul 2007 14:03:08 +0200 Subject: [aether] next performance SETUP Message-ID: <469B5E7C.5080506 {a+} n3krozoft.com> hello here is the setup situation for the central balkan mountains performance in Bulgaria on the 19th of this month confirmed: > Cym + Luka (wd8_austria) > Lucy/The League (norway) > Boris (belgium) > Manu + Alejo (Dortmund Germany) > Nathalie - did you solve your camera problem? (Paris France) unconfirmed: >>> Chris? >>> Laure? >>> Judy? >>> Amirali? >>> ??? -- have a look at the pic gallery of the place, it's quite something: http://netuser.bg/2007/en/?gal=1&page_id=500 -- i had a look to one of the chats alejo pointed to: http://home.gabbly.com/ super easy to embed... for bulgaria it would be no problem. (the simplest way is to type gabbly.com/ in front of the url of the page you visit, and all others visitors doing the same will be reunited in a chatroom embedded on the visited url...) issues are: it eats quite some place on a web page. the design is... what it is - but more horrifying is the ad embed in the top corner of the chat (i did not understand if we can replace it by what we wish). you can see this chat at http://gabbly.com/colboard.com/index.php - when i tried it, 8 people where chatting at supersonic speed and it worked perfectly. -- Coco Islands Time Zone: UTC+6? -- Boris From theleague at [nospam] imaginaryscience.org Mon Jul 16 17:16:44 2007 From: theleague at [nospam] imaginaryscience.org (The League of Imaginary Scientists) Date: Mon, 16 Jul 2007 17:16:44 +0200 Subject: [aether] Bulgaria performance - conceptual development In-Reply-To: <469B5E7C.5080506 {a+} n3krozoft.com> Message-ID: Is there time to develop a collaborative script for this, or a skype date to work out aesthetic and conceptual aims for this one? Perhaps a Skype meeting tomorrow (July 17) at 10 pm central Europe time? Shall we try to work with one of their themes? networks in arts and culture; cultural networks/ consciousness about participation, self-positioning and navigation; mapping, taxonomy, scenario drafting It could be interesting to incorporate our (collaborative/off-the-cuff) method of planning these performances ? perhaps have a live scripting element visible, where we chat and talk live about what to do next, how to coordinate, timing, and then do what we discuss on video... (this ties into participation, navigation, scenario drafting...) As a visual element, perhaps we could utilize maps ? specifically, maps of where we are in a very local sense ? we could interpret this loosely, with printed geographical maps or hand drawn sketches. If this theme is of interest, I can create a graphic map that at some point appears in every frame ? I could send each participant a piece of this map to correspond with their square on the page... This map could be more conceptual/ would appear perhaps at the beginning and end as point of departure... Thoughts? - LUCY/ League On 7/16/07 2:03 PM, "bk" wrote: > hello > > here is the setup situation for the central balkan mountains performance > in Bulgaria on the 19th of this month > confirmed: >> Cym + Luka (wd8_austria) >> Lucy/The League (norway) >> Boris (belgium) >> Manu + Alejo (Dortmund Germany) >> Nathalie - did you solve your camera problem? (Paris France) > > unconfirmed: >>>> Chris? >>>> Laure? >>>> Judy? >>>> Amirali? >>>> ??? > > -- > > have a look at the pic gallery of the place, it's quite something: > http://netuser.bg/2007/en/?gal=1&page_id=500 The League of Imaginary Scientists -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Name: not available Type: image/gif Size: 3346 bytes Desc: not available Url : http://lists.1904.cc/pipermail/aether/attachments/20070716/b82be1ae/attachment.gif From fougeras_nathalie at [nospam] yahoo.fr Mon Jul 16 17:47:33 2007 From: fougeras_nathalie at [nospam] yahoo.fr (fougeras nathalie) Date: Mon, 16 Jul 2007 17:47:33 +0200 (CEST) Subject: [aether] RE : next performance SETUP In-Reply-To: <469B5E7C.5080506 {a+} n3krozoft.com> Message-ID: <772047.67957.qm {a+} web26602.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> Hi, I didn't have any time to resolve the camera problem, I'll play the sound patch I revised in my laptop, I tested it and resorbed after last performance already with Manuel so normally it'll be all right for Bulgaria Manuel : do you finished integration in the hmtl page you spoke me the last time ? see our performance soon Nathalie --- bk a ?crit?: > hello > > here is the setup situation for the central balkan > mountains performance > in Bulgaria on the 19th of this month > confirmed: > > Cym + Luka (wd8_austria) > > Lucy/The League (norway) > > Boris (belgium) > > Manu + Alejo (Dortmund Germany) > > Nathalie - did you solve your camera problem? > (Paris France) > > unconfirmed: > >>> Chris? > >>> Laure? > >>> Judy? > >>> Amirali? > >>> ??? > > -- > > have a look at the pic gallery of the place, it's > quite something: > http://netuser.bg/2007/en/?gal=1&page_id=500 > > -- > > i had a look to one of the chats alejo pointed to: > http://home.gabbly.com/ > super easy to embed... for bulgaria it would be no > problem. (the > simplest way is to type gabbly.com/ in front of the > url of the page you > visit, and all others visitors doing the same will > be reunited in a > chatroom embedded on the visited url...) > issues are: > it eats quite some place on a web page. > the design is... what it is - but more horrifying is > the ad embed in the > top corner of the chat (i did not understand if we > can replace it by > what we wish). > you can see this chat at > http://gabbly.com/colboard.com/index.php - > when i tried it, 8 people where chatting at > supersonic speed and it > worked perfectly. > > -- > > Coco Islands Time Zone: UTC+6? > > -- > > Boris > > _______________________________________________ > aether mailing list > aether at [nospam] 1904.cc > http://lists.1904.cc/mailman/listinfo/aether > _____________________________________________________________________________ Ne gardez plus qu'une seule adresse mail ! Copiez vos mails vers Yahoo! Mail From 1.1 [*] 1904.cc Mon Jul 16 20:39:20 2007 From: 1.1 [*] 1904.cc (1.1 [*] 1904.cc) Date: Mon, 16 Jul 2007 20:39:20 +0200 Subject: [aether] next performance SETUP In-Reply-To: <469B5E7C.5080506 {a+} n3krozoft.com> References: <469B5E7C.5080506 {a+} n3krozoft.com> Message-ID: hi, i'm ok for a skype meeting tomorrow 10 pm CET correction to the setup: me + alejo will travel to dortmund on 20th, on 19th i'm still in geneva. about the embedded chat-thing: we could explore that direction indeed, although i'm not so sure it will bring much for the bulgarian performance - the agreed setting is that the performance is projected, so i doubt that the audience will be in position to interact through chat.. on the other hand, as the league proposed, we could have our own "scenario drafting" chat session in some segment of the screen. also, rather than chat we could simply integrate a "shoutbox" in the multi-frame. definition: a "shoutbox" is a sort of one-line chat/wiki interface, where one can leave a short message. you can see how it typically looks at http://tikiwiki.org/tiki-index.php - it's in the sidebar on the right side of the window. basically it can be done with some php-code, so we don't need to rely on a third-party website. here is an example of php code, which i'm going to try out: http://www.spoono.com/php/tutorials/tutorial.php?id=19 there are tons of such scripts... there is also a shoutbox already integraded in our wiki: http://1904.cc/timeline/tiki-shoutbox.php but i don't know if there is a way to display it without the rest of the wiki... having something with an embedded ad like the gabbly.com thing is out of question IMO i will try to have a small shoutbox window running 'till tomorrow evening so we can test it then. best, manuel From theleague at [nospam] imaginaryscience.org Tue Jul 17 00:31:24 2007 From: theleague at [nospam] imaginaryscience.org (The League of Imaginary Scientists) Date: Tue, 17 Jul 2007 00:31:24 +0200 Subject: [aether] next performance SETUP In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Great - shout box an ideal solution... On 7/16/07 8:39 PM, "1.1 [*] 1904.cc" <1.1 [*] 1904.cc> wrote: > hi, > > i'm ok for a skype meeting tomorrow 10 pm CET > > correction to the setup: > me + alejo will travel to dortmund on 20th, on 19th i'm still in geneva. > > about the embedded chat-thing: > we could explore that direction indeed, although i'm not so sure it > will bring much for the bulgarian performance - the agreed setting is > that the performance is projected, so i doubt that the audience will > be in position to interact through chat.. > > on the other hand, as the league proposed, we could have our own > "scenario drafting" chat session in some segment of the screen. > > also, rather than chat we could simply integrate a "shoutbox" in the > multi-frame. > > definition: > a "shoutbox" is a sort of one-line chat/wiki interface, where one can > leave a short message. > you can see how it typically looks at > http://tikiwiki.org/tiki-index.php - it's in the sidebar on the right > side of the window. > > basically it can be done with some php-code, so we don't need to rely > on a third-party website. > here is an example of php code, which i'm going to try out: > http://www.spoono.com/php/tutorials/tutorial.php?id=19 > there are tons of such scripts... > > there is also a shoutbox already integraded in our wiki: > http://1904.cc/timeline/tiki-shoutbox.php > but i don't know if there is a way to display it without the rest of > the wiki... > > having something with an embedded ad like the gabbly.com thing is out > of question IMO > > i will try to have a small shoutbox window running 'till tomorrow > evening so we can test it then. > > best, > manuel > _______________________________________________ > aether mailing list > aether at [nospam] 1904.cc > http://lists.1904.cc/mailman/listinfo/aether The League of Imaginary Scientists From bk at [nospam] n3krozoft.com Tue Jul 17 01:38:50 2007 From: bk at [nospam] n3krozoft.com (bk) Date: Tue, 17 Jul 2007 01:38:50 +0200 Subject: [aether] next performance SETUP In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <469C018A.3020104 {a+} n3krozoft.com> i'll be there at 10 pm CET tomorow as well. Boris From nova at [nospam] viator.si Tue Jul 17 13:35:36 2007 From: nova at [nospam] viator.si (Luka Princic / Nova Viator) Date: Tue, 17 Jul 2007 13:35:36 +0200 Subject: [aether] next performance SETUP In-Reply-To: <469B5E7C.5080506 {a+} n3krozoft.com> References: <469B5E7C.5080506 {a+} n3krozoft.com> Message-ID: <20070717133536.c3a5d8d5.nova {a+} viator.si> On Mon, 16 Jul 2007 14:03:08 +0200 bk wrote: > i had a look to one of the chats alejo pointed to: http://home.gabbly.com/ > super easy to embed... for bulgaria it would be no problem. (the > simplest way is to type gabbly.com/ in front of the url of the page you > visit, and all others visitors doing the same will be reunited in a > chatroom embedded on the visited url...) > issues are: > it eats quite some place on a web page. > the design is... what it is - but more horrifying is the ad embed in the > top corner of the chat (i did not understand if we can replace it by > what we wish). > you can see this chat at http://gabbly.com/colboard.com/index.php - > when i tried it, 8 people where chatting at supersonic speed and it > worked perfectly. aicks.. crashed my firefox (iceweasel;).. why not rather use something like cgi::irc, like something here: http://chat.indymedia.org/cgiirc/irc.cgi?Nickname=AEpublic&Channel=%23aether9&interface=mozilla&Realname=AEpublic ll -- Wherever you go...There you are. -- Buckaroo Banzai + http://viator.si From knickerbockerjuju at [nospam] yahoo.com Tue Jul 17 20:53:59 2007 From: knickerbockerjuju at [nospam] yahoo.com (Judy Nylon) Date: Tue, 17 Jul 2007 11:53:59 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [aether] bulgaria date - confirm please; JNylon unavailable In-Reply-To: <20070715151320.9d7443e0.nova {a+} viator.si> Message-ID: <946970.29351.qm {a+} web62310.mail.re1.yahoo.com> Sorry if I had only tangentally (in earlier postings) mentioned that 'I do not have constant web access'. I will tune in for Bulgarian event if possible but cannot broadcast. Radio Show went well last night. JN Luka Princic / Nova Viator wrote: On Sun, 15 Jul 2007 14:32:18 +0200 "cym net" wrote: > there is a plan that luka comes to wd8 on 19th. it would be nice if we > use the pd-patch and stream together 1 webcam from wd8 on 19th. but > luka should confirm if this is possible. true, i will be at wd8 on the 19th, so i think it should be possible. ll. > > cym > > > On 7/15/07, 1.1 [*] 1904.cc <1.1 [*] 1904.cc> wrote: > > hi again, > > > > so 18th or 19th would the most suitable dates for the bulgaria performance? > > i indicated to the organisers that 19th would be the most probable, > > to be confirmed on monday. > > time and duration are still to decide. > > whoever wishes to participate on that date, please give a feedback. > > > > incidentally this fits well with the topic of the day of the program there: > > "Networks in arts and culture - inclusion, access and information > > flow" - The panel aims to explore different types and modes of > > functioning of cultural networks and to question consciousness about > > participation, self-positioning and navigation. Workgroup session > > includes mapping, taxynomy, scenario drafting. > > - Margarita Dorovska (Cult.bg Foundation, BG) > > http://netuser.bg/2007/en/?page_id=7 > > > > best, > > manuel > > _______________________________________________ > > aether mailing list > > aether at [nospam] 1904.cc > > http://lists.1904.cc/mailman/listinfo/aether > > > _______________________________________________ > aether mailing list > aether at [nospam] 1904.cc > http://lists.1904.cc/mailman/listinfo/aether -- Send some filthy mail. + http://viator.si _______________________________________________ aether mailing list aether at [nospam] 1904.cc http://lists.1904.cc/mailman/listinfo/aether --------------------------------- Fussy? Opinionated? Impossible to please? Perfect. Join Yahoo!'s user panel and lay it on us. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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I think it would be nicer to have just the black and white map. it's a nice map, but the text makes the map disappear too much. also we should think what should be written. i like the idea of 1 big character in each window, but we should choose the text very carefully. if none of us knows what exactly it says, we better don't use it. or make sure we get it checked before with the bulgarian contact. it would be nice if the text could change and the map stays behind it. (that is, more images of the same map with different texts). but we could also print it and write on it ourselves in the different locations. cym On 7/18/07, The League of Imaginary Scientists < theleague at [nospam] imaginaryscience.org> wrote: > > Attached find an idea for a map for Bulgaria performance, if it can be of > use (I'm not attached to it). The text may or may not be correct (should > read EXIT)... > > LUCY > > > > > The League of Imaginary Scientists > > _______________________________________________ > aether mailing list > aether at [nospam] 1904.cc > http://lists.1904.cc/mailman/listinfo/aether > > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.1904.cc/pipermail/aether/attachments/20070718/1eba4a71/attachment.html -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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URL: http://lists.1904.cc/pipermail/aether/attachments/20070718/77773b62/attachment.html From ideacritik at [nospam] yahoo.ca Wed Jul 18 11:19:59 2007 From: ideacritik at [nospam] yahoo.ca (::audrey::) Date: Wed, 18 Jul 2007 02:19:59 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [aether] ideacritik Message-ID: <38854.30495.qm {a+} web50201.mail.re2.yahoo.com> WORM(wormweb.nl) in rotterdam has agreed to lend me a bit of space, a cable connection and they hope to sort a camera out for me. i will go there at 13h on thursday to test everything. i hope (it should) all be fine. they have a dedicated streaming which they say i could use, but i thought since we are for now rigged up with uploading images, it could be a bit complicated to change the patches. perhaps something to consider for later performances as possible for the rotterdam connection. just a thought. i'll try to be online later tonight, if not while setting up tomorow to let you all know how my connection/camera status is doing. audrey D?couvrez ce qui fait jaser les gens ! Visitez les groupes de l'heure sur Yahoo! Qu?bec Groupes. http://cf.groups.yahoo.com/ -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.1904.cc/pipermail/aether/attachments/20070718/6da6e11d/attachment.html From fougeras_nathalie at [nospam] yahoo.fr Wed Jul 18 12:54:39 2007 From: fougeras_nathalie at [nospam] yahoo.fr (fougeras nathalie) Date: Wed, 18 Jul 2007 12:54:39 +0200 (CEST) Subject: [aether] everyone record voice and sned me mp3 file? Message-ID: <500943.35877.qm {a+} web26613.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> Hi all, In order to mix differents voices of chat could you record all your own intervention of this chat (http://lists.1904.cc/pipermail/aether/2007-July/000243.html) ? Thanks to transmit me a mp3 file of this recording before tomorrow morning by email or depose to aether ftp if it's possible (name of file : your name) Cheers Nathalie _____________________________________________________________________________ Ne gardez plus qu'une seule adresse mail ! Copiez vos mails vers Yahoo! Mail From knickerbockerjuju at [nospam] yahoo.com Wed Jul 18 18:35:16 2007 From: knickerbockerjuju at [nospam] yahoo.com (Judy Nylon) Date: Wed, 18 Jul 2007 09:35:16 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [aether] everyone record voice and sned me mp3 file? In-Reply-To: <500943.35877.qm {a+} web26613.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <248240.53272.qm {a+} web62303.mail.re1.yahoo.com> Good Morning all, If there is a moment, please have a look at this: http://www.gizmoproject.com/ If we were to all install gizmo (like Skype) it has a 'record ' feature and a 'conference' feature. In other words we could record our voices and ambient sound (if it is loud enough) interacting with each other. This would appear as an MP3 file on your desktop (possibly only on the desktop of the one who makes the call). Also, Natalie, should you ever wish to call me from Paris. I have a local number there on Gizmo for which I only pay 3 dollars per month. It is 33-170-613-192 You can rent local numbers in a list of countries. I am just waking , but will suggest some action/acting notes up on the wiki as soon as I feel awake enough. Nylon fougeras nathalie wrote: Hi all, In order to mix differents voices of chat could you record all your own intervention of this chat (http://lists.1904.cc/pipermail/aether/2007-July/000243.html) ? Thanks to transmit me a mp3 file of this recording before tomorrow morning by email or depose to aether ftp if it's possible (name of file : your name) Cheers Nathalie _____________________________________________________________________________ Ne gardez plus qu'une seule adresse mail ! Copiez vos mails vers Yahoo! Mail _______________________________________________ aether mailing list aether at [nospam] 1904.cc http://lists.1904.cc/mailman/listinfo/aether --------------------------------- Don't pick lemons. See all the new 2007 cars at [nospam] yahoo! Autos. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.1904.cc/pipermail/aether/attachments/20070718/6b5b63ec/attachment.html From bk at [nospam] n3krozoft.com Wed Jul 18 18:39:13 2007 From: bk at [nospam] n3krozoft.com (bk) Date: Wed, 18 Jul 2007 18:39:13 +0200 Subject: [aether] everyone record voice and sned me mp3 file? In-Reply-To: <248240.53272.qm {a+} web62303.mail.re1.yahoo.com> References: <248240.53272.qm {a+} web62303.mail.re1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <469E4231.6040604 {a+} n3krozoft.com> Hi all, i'm uploading now my part of the chat (just quickly recorded) here http://1904.cc/~aether/son Have fun editing nathalie... > If we were to all install gizmo (like Skype) it has a 'record ' > feature and a 'conference' feature. In other words we could record our > voices and ambient sound (if it is loud enough) interacting with each > other. This would appear as an MP3 file on your desktop (possibly only > on the desktop of the one who makes the call). Also, Natalie, should > you ever wish to call me from Paris. I have a local number there on > Gizmo for which I only pay 3 dollars per month. It is 33-170-613-192 ---> on skype we can hold conference voice calls as well and simply record it directly (on mac for example i do this with "Audio Highjack Pro", a great application whose serial code you find on serialboxes...) bye, Boris From theleague at [nospam] imaginaryscience.org Thu Jul 19 00:43:03 2007 From: theleague at [nospam] imaginaryscience.org (The League of Imaginary Scientists) Date: Thu, 19 Jul 2007 00:43:03 +0200 Subject: [aether] Bulgaria Message-ID: Here's a version of the map without the text...though I don't think it fits with the script after reviewing it - I've posted comments there... http://www.1904.cc/timeline/tiki-index.php?page=Pleven+Hotel+script The League of Imaginary Scientists -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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In-Reply-To: <248240.53272.qm {a+} web62303.mail.re1.yahoo.com> References: <500943.35877.qm {a+} web26613.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> <248240.53272.qm {a+} web62303.mail.re1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <20070719012745.3a4b5a5c.nova {a+} viator.si> On Wed, 18 Jul 2007 09:35:16 -0700 (PDT) Judy Nylon wrote: > Good Morning all, > If there is a moment, please have a look at this: http://www.gizmoproject.com/ > > If we were to all install gizmo (like Skype) it has a 'record ' feature if anyone wants to add me, i'm 'luka_nova' ... although i get frustrated by more and more clients i have to use install run to be able to communicate with people over IM phone etc.. : {a+} but no panix. ll -- God doesn't play dice. -- Albert Einstein + http://viator.si From bk at [nospam] n3krozoft.com Thu Jul 19 01:44:03 2007 From: bk at [nospam] n3krozoft.com (bk) Date: Thu, 19 Jul 2007 01:44:03 +0200 Subject: [aether] SCRIPT UPDATE !!! Message-ID: <469EA5C3.2040302 {a+} n3krozoft.com> Hello, i realise that what was posted in the wiki wasn't clear at all... and i was so tired yesterday night i forgot to tell you one essential thing! extremely sorry for this, especially given the tight schedule now... so here's an update: ---- - There are 9 cells - There are six performers in the six first cells (everything is clear so far...) - In the 3 bottom cells, automatic flows of images are displayed. these images show objects of luxurious nature and interesting to look at (fashion, art, high end tech or tools, jewels etc) but not useful in the broadcast location in Bulgaria (see: http://netuser.bg/2007/en/?gal=1&page_id=500). - among these numerous luxurious objects are "hidden" usefull objects, essential objects (a key, a battery, eyeglasses, shoes, food, knife, matches, flashlight, rope, sweater etc... - they will be a relief amidst the onslaught of extravagant objects.) > THIS ESSENTIAL THING: each performer shall search for 4 objects in his room/house, make an image of it and post the 4 produced images on the mailing list - for these 4 objects must be integrated to the "slide show" that contains the luxurious objects. - during the performance, each performer must "select" each of his 4 objects, do things with it ("analyse" them and sort them in some ways) and then place it behind a door. (they coud also "reject" some luxurious objects) - the central character pulls from his doorframe objects that look the same or close to the ones selected by others at other locations and he lays them in front of him. ----- that's basically it. It leaves us with the notable questions: > what map do we display at the beginning and at the end? > if we use text, how? Lucy just wrote in the wiki: "I suggest that we also include text on the outer frames (not the central character) - that we use a combination of objects and text, sot hat the objects have an interplay with key words, like CONNECTION, OBJECTIVE, SUBJECTIVE, HERE..." (i am wondering: would it be possible to integrate a text function to the max patch?) > i will start a skype conference tommorow at 4pm cet. ---- > each performer will need to have a set-up with an OBVIOUS door, and be prepared to make close-ups on the objects and larger views of the door. if this seems unrealistic for you for some reason, please say so, because we need some unity and must figure out something coherent in that case. "I'll adapt to whatever structure, to whatever is decided" is not possible sometimes! we must know what we can and cannot do, and prepare together in awareness of this (if time is available, ahahah). > let's re-read Judy's "Action ideas: MOVEMENT & MEANING" text in the HotelPlevenScript wiki page before to act... http://www.1904.cc/timeline/tiki-index.php?page=Pleven%20Hotel%20script c u all Boris From cymnet at [nospam] gmail.com Thu Jul 19 01:54:19 2007 From: cymnet at [nospam] gmail.com (cym net) Date: Thu, 19 Jul 2007 01:54:19 +0200 Subject: [aether] SCRIPT UPDATE !!! In-Reply-To: <469EA5C3.2040302 {a+} n3krozoft.com> References: <469EA5C3.2040302 {a+} n3krozoft.com> Message-ID: <95c795f70707181654w406372c2rdfa415e8eea30385 {a+} mail.gmail.com> what objects should i look for, useful ones? or anything easily recognizable, or objects that also other participants can find in their house, so they can show something similar? cym On 7/19/07, bk wrote: > Hello, > i realise that what was posted in the wiki wasn't clear at all... > and i was so tired yesterday night i forgot to tell you one essential > thing! extremely sorry for this, especially given the tight schedule now... > so here's an update: > > ---- > > - There are 9 cells > - There are six performers in the six first cells (everything is clear > so far...) > - In the 3 bottom cells, automatic flows of images are displayed. these > images show objects of luxurious nature and > interesting to look at (fashion, art, high end tech or tools, jewels > etc) but not useful in the broadcast location in Bulgaria (see: > http://netuser.bg/2007/en/?gal=1&page_id=500). > - among these numerous luxurious objects are "hidden" usefull objects, > essential objects (a key, a battery, eyeglasses, shoes, food, knife, > matches, flashlight, rope, sweater etc... - they will be a relief amidst > the onslaught of extravagant objects.) > > THIS ESSENTIAL THING: each performer shall search for 4 objects in > his room/house, make an image of it and post the 4 produced images on > the mailing list - for these 4 objects must be integrated to the "slide > show" that contains the luxurious objects. > - during the performance, each performer must "select" each of his 4 > objects, do things with it ("analyse" them and sort them in some ways) > and then place it behind a door. (they coud also "reject" some luxurious > objects) > - the central character pulls from his doorframe objects that look the > same or close to the ones selected by others at other locations and he > lays them in front of him. > > ----- > that's basically it. It leaves us with the notable questions: > > what map do we display at the beginning and at the end? > > if we use text, how? Lucy just wrote in the wiki: > "I suggest that we also include text on the outer frames (not the > central character) - that we use a combination of objects and text, sot > hat the objects have an interplay with key words, like CONNECTION, > OBJECTIVE, SUBJECTIVE, HERE..." > (i am wondering: would it be possible to integrate a text function to > the max patch?) > > i will start a skype conference tommorow at 4pm cet. > > ---- > > > each performer will need to have a set-up with an OBVIOUS door, and > be prepared to make close-ups on the objects and larger views of the > door. if this seems unrealistic for you for some reason, please say so, > because we need some unity and must figure out something coherent in > that case. "I'll adapt to whatever structure, to whatever is decided" is > not possible sometimes! we must know what we can and cannot do, and > prepare together in awareness of this (if time is available, ahahah). > > > let's re-read Judy's "Action ideas: MOVEMENT & MEANING" text in the > HotelPlevenScript wiki page before to act... > http://www.1904.cc/timeline/tiki-index.php?page=Pleven%20Hotel%20script > > c u all > Boris > _______________________________________________ > aether mailing list > aether at [nospam] 1904.cc > http://lists.1904.cc/mailman/listinfo/aether > From cymnet at [nospam] gmail.com Thu Jul 19 02:00:02 2007 From: cymnet at [nospam] gmail.com (cym net) Date: Thu, 19 Jul 2007 02:00:02 +0200 Subject: [aether] everyone record voice and sned me mp3 file? In-Reply-To: <20070719012745.3a4b5a5c.nova {a+} viator.si> References: <500943.35877.qm {a+} web26613.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> <248240.53272.qm {a+} web62303.mail.re1.yahoo.com> <20070719012745.3a4b5a5c.nova {a+} viator.si> Message-ID: <95c795f70707181700hbacc197ud799915c293bc0f0 {a+} mail.gmail.com> i just uploaded my mp3-file - it is at http://aether.smtp.ru/cym/ there is only 1 mp3-file in the directory (cym-chat-recording_070717.mp3) i did the recording in one time, no editing (and didn't even listen back to it yet...) so you could consider it a live-recording... i'll be very busy tomorrow, but i'll try to have a better look at the script in the afternoon. good night all, cym From 1.1 [*] 1904.cc Thu Jul 19 02:06:25 2007 From: 1.1 [*] 1904.cc (1.1 [*] 1904.cc) Date: Thu, 19 Jul 2007 02:06:25 +0200 Subject: [aether] bulgaria - interface Message-ID: hi all, here is a possible setup for the Hotel Pleven performance (changes are possible of course): laure(gva).JPG | cym+luka.PNG | audrey(rdam).JPG chris.JPG | boris.JPG | league.JPG objects | objects | objects the audio player is now a bit more hidden, see the new interface from: http://1904.cc/aether/live/ since we had some trouble (uncontrollable delays) with the .ru servers, i propose to drop them for now. also, after some longer testing, it seems that png has a tendency to be quite heavier than jpg, specially with very colourful/contrasted material. so, since the max patch has now a contrast function, i suggest we switch back to jpg (not for the pd users though). this are now the corresponding FTP directories: frame 1 - ftp://1904.cc/1/ format: jpg frame 2 - ftp://1904.cc/2/ format: png frame 3 - ftp://imaginaryscience.org/3/ format: jpg frame 4 - ftp://imaginaryscience.org/4/ format: jpg frame 5 - ftp://10111.org/web/5/ format: jpg frame 6 - ftp://10111.org/web/6/ format: jpg frame 7 - ftp://artslashmedia.net/web/7/ - OBJECTS frame 8 - ftp://artslashmedia.net/web/8/ - OBJECTS frame 9 - ftp://artslashmedia.net/web/9/ - OBJECTS note: user is "aether" for all servers, except imaginaryscience.org where the user is aether note2: for frame 6 (league), there is only 1 self-refreshing png file, called 1.png note3: i didn't include myself among the performers - will have a busy day tomorrow and preparing the technical/html stuff + preparing the performance/finding the objects will be hardly possible. if any of you needs special settings (filenames etc), tell me as soon as you can. best, manuel -------- max users: new upload patch with the new server settings!!!! http://1904.cc/kode/upload_115.zip From 1.1 [*] 1904.cc Thu Jul 19 02:17:28 2007 From: 1.1 [*] 1904.cc (1.1 [*] 1904.cc) Date: Thu, 19 Jul 2007 02:17:28 +0200 Subject: [aether] bulgaria - interface In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: correction: > >note: user is "aether" for all servers, except imaginaryscience.org where the user is: aether at imaginaryscience.com From bk at [nospam] n3krozoft.com Thu Jul 19 02:41:55 2007 From: bk at [nospam] n3krozoft.com (bk) Date: Thu, 19 Jul 2007 02:41:55 +0200 Subject: [aether] 4 objects (from boris) Message-ID: <469EB353.7030502 {a+} n3krozoft.com> my 4 objects attached (in 192X144 pixels) boris ps: manu, can you take care of assembling the objects of the performers together with judy's objects? -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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In-Reply-To: <469EA5C3.2040302 {a+} n3krozoft.com> Message-ID: <717096.62746.qm {a+} web26612.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> boris, c'est secondaire mais j viens d regarder le wiki c'est super mais on n sait plus trop qui a ?crit quoi.. tu ne veux pas attribuer ? ceux qui ont ?crit une couleur et mettre leurs textes ds cette couleur p voir? si tu as le temps autrement j'ai re?u les enregistrements de : - toi - laure - j'ai envoy? un mail ? cym et audrey - manuel m'a dit qu'il me l'envoie demain matin - j'ai rien envoy? ? christian : peux tu lui envoyer un mail surtout s'il participe demain ? - peux tu contacter judy (qui est Nylon sur le chat mais est-elle aussi Remote Control Monkey?)? (3 fen?tres en boucles) D'autre part la liste des 6 frames c'est bien ?: - boris - manuel + alejo - ideacritik alias the ligue of sci.. - laure ..(geneva) - cym - christian Merciiiii :-) Natali --- bk a ?crit : > Hello, > i realise that what was posted in the wiki wasn't > clear at all... > and i was so tired yesterday night i forgot to tell > you one essential > thing! extremely sorry for this, especially given > the tight schedule now... > so here's an update: > > ---- > > - There are 9 cells > - There are six performers in the six first cells > (everything is clear > so far...) > - In the 3 bottom cells, automatic flows of images > are displayed. these > images show objects of luxurious nature and > interesting to look at (fashion, art, high end tech > or tools, jewels > etc) but not useful in the broadcast location in > Bulgaria (see: > http://netuser.bg/2007/en/?gal=1&page_id=500). > - among these numerous luxurious objects are > "hidden" usefull objects, > essential objects (a key, a battery, eyeglasses, > shoes, food, knife, > matches, flashlight, rope, sweater etc... - they > will be a relief amidst > the onslaught of extravagant objects.) > > THIS ESSENTIAL THING: each performer shall search > for 4 objects in > his room/house, make an image of it and post the 4 > produced images on > the mailing list - for these 4 objects must be > integrated to the "slide > show" that contains the luxurious objects. > - during the performance, each performer must > "select" each of his 4 > objects, do things with it ("analyse" them and sort > them in some ways) > and then place it behind a door. (they coud also > "reject" some luxurious > objects) > - the central character pulls from his doorframe > objects that look the > same or close to the ones selected by others at > other locations and he > lays them in front of him. > > ----- > that's basically it. It leaves us with the notable > questions: > > what map do we display at the beginning and at > the end? > > if we use text, how? Lucy just wrote in the wiki: > "I suggest that we also include text on the outer > frames (not the > central character) - that we use a combination of > objects and text, sot > hat the objects have an interplay with key words, > like CONNECTION, > OBJECTIVE, SUBJECTIVE, HERE..." > (i am wondering: would it be possible to integrate a > text function to > the max patch?) > > i will start a skype conference tommorow at 4pm > cet. > > ---- > > > each performer will need to have a set-up with an > OBVIOUS door, and > be prepared to make close-ups on the objects and > larger views of the > door. if this seems unrealistic for you for some > reason, please say so, > because we need some unity and must figure out > something coherent in > that case. "I'll adapt to whatever structure, to > whatever is decided" is > not possible sometimes! we must know what we can and > cannot do, and > prepare together in awareness of this (if time is > available, ahahah). > > > let's re-read Judy's "Action ideas: MOVEMENT & > MEANING" text in the > HotelPlevenScript wiki page before to act... > http://www.1904.cc/timeline/tiki-index.php?page=Pleven%20Hotel%20script > > c u all > Boris > _______________________________________________ > aether mailing list > aether at [nospam] 1904.cc > http://lists.1904.cc/mailman/listinfo/aether > _____________________________________________________________________________ Ne gardez plus qu'une seule adresse mail ! Copiez vos mails vers Yahoo! Mail From lauredinateur at [nospam] yahoo.de Thu Jul 19 03:37:59 2007 From: lauredinateur at [nospam] yahoo.de (laure deselys) Date: Thu, 19 Jul 2007 03:37:59 +0200 (CEST) Subject: [aether] (no subject) In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <407572.89108.qm {a+} web26705.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> hello, leaving brussels pc-naked made it quite hard for me to organise tomorrows performance and was also very busy. so couldnt take part so much to the wiki and script elaboration. i am and will be for tomorrow located in france (high-savoy), i still have a few technical problems but it should be solved by tomorrow midday. cross finger. the place where i here grab the net, is in a kind of basement and for me it actualy seems easier to use a window that is ground high, then a door. i dont know, if considering this i should be placed somewhere else in the nine screen strucure. maybe i can find a solution with a door but cant confirm it right now for the four objects i was thinking of: 1. red kimono 2. hunting gun 3. hat(s) 4. mountain boots boris, i dont expect you to have these important things at home, but you can also use the color or hand gesture to make contact with them or if its not considered usefulll enough for bulgaria ( desk type) 1. pencil sharpner 2. hair brush 3. embrella 4. goggles and so on . theres such a mess of objects in this place i must make a tactico-narrativ choice i will send the pictures for the slide show tomorrow for midday more in a few hours gotta catch up some sleep laure. --- 1.1 [*] 1904.cc schrieb: > correction: > > > > >note: user is "aether" for all servers, except > imaginaryscience.org > where the user is: aether at imaginaryscience.com > _______________________________________________ > aether mailing list > aether at [nospam] 1904.cc > http://lists.1904.cc/mailman/listinfo/aether > dddd From fe2cruz at [nospam] hotmail.com Thu Jul 19 04:15:41 2007 From: fe2cruz at [nospam] hotmail.com (christiaan cruz) Date: Wed, 18 Jul 2007 19:15:41 -0700 Subject: [aether] aether Digest, Vol 3, Issue 15 Message-ID: ******** password doesn't work with ftp://imaginaryscience.org/4/ couldn't imagine what else it could bethanks,christiaan of bulgarian cellblock #5 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Performance > is now set for what time? > > Thanks, > LUCY/League > > > _______________________________________________ > aether mailing list > aether at [nospam] 1904.cc > http://lists.1904.cc/mailman/listinfo/aether > _____________________________________________________________________________ Ne gardez plus qu'une seule adresse mail ! Copiez vos mails vers Yahoo! Mail From ideacritik at [nospam] yahoo.ca Thu Jul 19 14:29:13 2007 From: ideacritik at [nospam] yahoo.ca (::audrey::) Date: Thu, 19 Jul 2007 05:29:13 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [aether] Re : RE : Re: 4 objects Message-ID: <922253.70271.qm {a+} web50208.mail.re2.yahoo.com> natalie et al., i must send objects now + sound i'm really sorry i'm so late in doing this i've been waiting for 1 1/2 hours for the people here to set me up with camera and internet next to a door. meanwhile i cannot access my recording media to record + send to you... i wonder what is the cut off time for you? i'm beginning to wonder if this will work out. audrey|ideacritik .... ----- Message initial ---- De : fougeras nathalie ? : //// collaborative networked performance //// ; The League of Imaginary Scientists Envoy? le : jeudi 19 juillet 2007, 13 h 59 min 48 s Objet : [aether] RE : Re: 4 objects Hi Lucy, Could you send to the list and me your voice recorded (mp3 file) too? thanks Nathalie --- The League of Imaginary Scientists a ?crit : > 4 objects from the League are attached... > > ALSO - is there an invitation circulating with a > link for this? Performance > is now set for what time? > > Thanks, > LUCY/League > > > _______________________________________________ > aether mailing list > aether at [nospam] 1904.cc > http://lists.1904.cc/mailman/listinfo/aether > _____________________________________________________________________________ Ne gardez plus qu'une seule adresse mail ! Copiez vos mails vers Yahoo! Mail _______________________________________________ aether mailing list aether at [nospam] 1904.cc http://lists.1904.cc/mailman/listinfo/aether Essayez le Tout-nouveau Yahoo! Courriel, pour voir un aper?u du panneau de lecture de courriels ! http://us.rd.yahoo.com/evt=40705/*http://mrd.mail.yahoo.com/try_beta?.intl=cf -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Performance >> is now set for what time? >> >> Thanks, >> LUCY/League >> >>> _______________________________________________ >> aether mailing list >> aether at [nospam] 1904.cc >> http://lists.1904.cc/mailman/listinfo/aether >> > > > > > _____________________________________________________________________________ > Ne gardez plus qu'une seule adresse mail ! Copiez vos mails vers Yahoo! Mail The League of Imaginary Scientists From ideacritik at [nospam] yahoo.ca Thu Jul 19 16:16:39 2007 From: ideacritik at [nospam] yahoo.ca (::audrey::) Date: Thu, 19 Jul 2007 07:16:39 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [aether] photos __ ideacritik Message-ID: <982431.62818.qm {a+} web50204.mail.re2.yahoo.com> a bit late... but hopefully not too late :) my objects are here: http://ideacritik.com/blog/images/aether/ idea Changez de t?te et de tenue tous les jours si vous le voulez ! Volez la vedette sur Yahoo! Qu?bec Avatars http://cf.avatars.yahoo.com/ -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.1904.cc/pipermail/aether/attachments/20070719/5c4694c6/attachment.html From ideacritik at [nospam] yahoo.ca Thu Jul 19 16:20:35 2007 From: ideacritik at [nospam] yahoo.ca (::audrey::) Date: Thu, 19 Jul 2007 07:20:35 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [aether] Re : bulgaria - interface Message-ID: <183911.6922.qm {a+} web50203.mail.re2.yahoo.com> but manuel, there is a new patch with server settings? where is it? cym was also asking... Changez de t?te et de tenue tous les jours si vous le voulez ! Volez la vedette sur Yahoo! Qu?bec Avatars http://cf.avatars.yahoo.com/ -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Courriel, pour voir un aper?u du panneau de lecture de courriels ! http://us.rd.yahoo.com/evt=40705/*http://mrd.mail.yahoo.com/try_beta?.intl=cf -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.1904.cc/pipermail/aether/attachments/20070719/ca4f9bff/attachment.html From fe2cruz at [nospam] hotmail.com Thu Jul 19 16:48:14 2007 From: fe2cruz at [nospam] hotmail.com (christiaan cruz) Date: Thu, 19 Jul 2007 07:48:14 -0700 Subject: [aether] 115 or 114 Message-ID: http://1904.cc/kode/upload_115.ziphttp://1904.cc/kode/upload_114.zip -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.1904.cc/pipermail/aether/attachments/20070719/5172aa21/attachment.html From 1.1 [*] 1904.cc Thu Jul 19 17:03:28 2007 From: 1.1 [*] 1904.cc (1.1 [*] 1904.cc) Date: Thu, 19 Jul 2007 17:03:28 +0200 Subject: [aether] 115 or 114 In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: ok, ideacritics problem with the server is resolved. the max patch everybody should use is: http://1904.cc/kode/upload_115.zip the server paths in the previous patch aren't valid anymore. i don't know exactly who prefers to use JPG or PNG, so for the moment i set everything back to JPG except the frame used by cym/viator (which is using the 0x.png - 9x.png naming scheme, hopefully it will work with Pd) cym, i remind your FTP access: frame 2 - ftp://1904.cc/2/ also, are your locations correct? chris: vorba linda, league: trondheim ?? best, manuel From theleague at [nospam] imaginaryscience.org Thu Jul 19 17:28:40 2007 From: theleague at [nospam] imaginaryscience.org (The League of Imaginary Scientists) Date: Thu, 19 Jul 2007 17:28:40 +0200 Subject: [aether] 115 or 114 In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Yes - League is Trondheim, Norway On 7/19/07 5:03 PM, "1.1 [*] 1904.cc" <1.1 [*] 1904.cc> wrote: > ok, ideacritics problem with the server is resolved. > > the max patch everybody should use is: > http://1904.cc/kode/upload_115.zip > > the server paths in the previous patch aren't valid anymore. > > i don't know exactly who prefers to use JPG or PNG, so for the moment > i set everything back to JPG except the frame used by cym/viator > (which is using the 0x.png - 9x.png naming scheme, hopefully it will > work with Pd) > > cym, i remind your FTP access: > frame 2 - ftp://1904.cc/2/ > > also, are your locations correct? > chris: vorba linda, league: trondheim ?? > > best, > manuel > _______________________________________________ > aether mailing list > aether at [nospam] 1904.cc > http://lists.1904.cc/mailman/listinfo/aether The League of Imaginary Scientists From nova at [nospam] viator.si Thu Jul 19 18:13:27 2007 From: nova at [nospam] viator.si (Luka Princic / Nova Viator) Date: Thu, 19 Jul 2007 18:13:27 +0200 Subject: [aether] wd8 -> live Message-ID: <20070719181327.46dc3178.nova {a+} viator.si> succesfully setup cym's webcam with pd patch here in wd8, just in time. uploading works etc... i'm missing chat coordinates. sorry this is a bit bit. love, luka -- There's just something I don't like about Virginia; the state. + http://viator.si From bk at [nospam] n3krozoft.com Thu Jul 19 18:24:50 2007 From: bk at [nospam] n3krozoft.com (bk) Date: Thu, 19 Jul 2007 18:24:50 +0200 Subject: [aether] wd8 -> live In-Reply-To: <20070719181327.46dc3178.nova {a+} viator.si> References: <20070719181327.46dc3178.nova {a+} viator.si> Message-ID: <469F9052.9090208 {a+} n3krozoft.com> Luka, i see your name with a red stick on it in skype - is that style or a sign of problem?... we tried to ad you to the conference, but it seems it doesn't work that way. please log out and in again, we re-invite you - that should work. boris Luka Princic / Nova Viator wrote: > succesfully setup cym's webcam with pd patch here in wd8, just in time. > uploading works etc... > i'm missing chat coordinates. > > sorry this is a bit bit. > > love, luka > > From nova at [nospam] viator.si Thu Jul 19 17:44:05 2007 From: nova at [nospam] viator.si (Luka Princic / Nova Viator) Date: Thu, 19 Jul 2007 17:44:05 +0200 Subject: [aether] 115 or 114 In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <20070719174405.288cc5cf.nova {a+} viator.si> On Thu, 19 Jul 2007 17:03:28 +0200 1.1 [*] 1904.cc wrote: > i set everything back to JPG except the frame used by cym/viator > (which is using the 0x.png - 9x.png naming scheme, hopefully it will > work with Pd) > > cym, i remind your FTP access: > frame 2 - ftp://1904.cc/2/ yes. i just drove to wd8 at cym's, managed to download the linux driver for this nifty cym's hercules webcam, and it works! we're uploading. what's the chat channel this time then? ll. attaching the in-process screenshot *hope this list doesn't eat attaches for dinner*, wink wink... -- coffee on an empty stomach is pretty nasy aav: time to run to the vending machine for cheetos cheetos? :) + http://viator.si -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Coordination of objects moved from frame to frame, etc. Perhaps we are all in our own space time bubbles - we are still quite disconnected during these performances, and I think a live audio conference between us would help us to synchronize, as well as get to know one another. Instead of a new theme for each new project - perhaps we could return to this study of an object, of coordination, of passing items through the frame and communicating more "physically" with one other? Boris had called for us to simplify, I think... With very little setup or concept - just play catch, as it were. Lucy/League From fe2cruz at [nospam] hotmail.com Thu Jul 19 21:27:32 2007 From: fe2cruz at [nospam] hotmail.com (christiaan cruz) Date: Thu, 19 Jul 2007 12:27:32 -0700 Subject: [aether] chat log Message-ID: [7/17/2007 2:51:10 PM] thom_edison added fe2cruz to this chat[7/17/2007 2:51:16 PM] cym says: i have no idea if this pd-patch is going to work and how it is going to work[7/17/2007 2:51:29 PM] cym says: we will try thursday afternoon[7/17/2007 2:51:38 PM] cym says: and exit[7/17/2007 2:51:48 PM] aether9 says: i would suggest that we make a wiki-page, put there the script, and everybody makes the edits s/he considers necessary, adding a note at the bottom of the page commenting the changes[7/17/2007 2:52:06 PM] cym says: 'and exit' to add tp audrey's list[7/17/2007 2:52:19 PM] ideacritik says: ?[7/17/2007 2:52:40 PM] cym says: i will just follow any script you put there[7/17/2007 2:52:55 PM] ideacritik says: cym: audrey's list?[7/17/2007 2:52:56 PM] cym says: all we have is a door / delivery and desk _+ text and exit[7/17/2007 2:53:04 PM] ideacritik says: ah.[7/17/2007 2:53:15 PM] ideacritik says: ik snap je....[7/17/2007 2:53:46 PM] cym says: but it will be good to know before the setup that i should create here[7/17/2007 2:53:54 PM] cym says: door or desk or something else[7/17/2007 2:55:06 PM] thom_edison says: a door![7/17/2007 2:56:03 PM] cym says: then i must move my desk in front of the door and cannot enter the room anymore....[7/17/2007 2:56:33 PM] cym says: anyway, i won't stay long anymore[7/17/2007 2:56:39 PM] cym says: i'll be on skype again tomorrow evening[7/17/2007 2:56:45 PM] thom_edison says: i will find an abandonned door frame in the dirty streets of brussles .- just the frame.[7/17/2007 2:57:01 PM] cym says: oh that kind of door i have many here[7/17/2007 2:57:25 PM] thom_edison says: so please attach one for me in a mail[7/17/2007 2:57:38 PM] cym says: maybe we can make the setup here outside, in the farm. at 19 there is still light[7/17/2007 2:57:44 PM] cym says: that would be really really nice[7/17/2007 2:58:01 PM] ideacritik says: indeed. one frame 'outside' perhaps the middle one...[7/17/2007 2:58:12 PM] cym says: the farm could be the stage and i disappear from room to room[7/17/2007 2:58:16 PM] ideacritik says: with a door frame in the austrian mountains... ; )[7/17/2007 2:58:21 PM] aether9 says: and about the road movie thing... i wonder if we could integrate this somehow, like a metaphor of mental travel... like: at some moment all (or all except the center) characters cover their eyes with hands - then appears an image of a road, for example filmed through car window.. i guess everybody has some footage of this kind...[7/17/2007 2:58:28 PM] cym says: there are no mountains here.... sorry[7/17/2007 2:58:55 PM] cym says: yes, that is a good element, like an explosion[7/17/2007 2:59:16 PM] cym says: i will have to make something tomorrow... run through the village[7/17/2007 2:59:19 PM] fe2cruz says: yeah road thats easy[7/17/2007 2:59:41 PM] ideacritik says: i have biking footage... very shaky and fast.[7/17/2007 2:59:44 PM] fe2cruz says: motorcar should not be mandatory though, just a road[7/17/2007 2:59:53 PM] fe2cruz says: bike walk whatever[7/17/2007 3:00:05 PM] cym says: i have a road with grass and stones into the woods[7/17/2007 3:00:13 PM] cym says: i can speed up the movie....[7/17/2007 3:00:14 PM] aether9 says: ...and then the characters open the eyes again and then comes some static part..[7/17/2007 3:00:29 PM] cym says: the exit in pleven hotel[7/17/2007 3:00:37 PM] aether9 says: would be a counterpoint to the bureaucratic stuff[7/17/2007 3:00:58 PM] cym says: this is getting somewhere[7/17/2007 3:01:00 PM] thom_edison says: well, i would like to write a script proposition with a constant center frame, showing somebody acting some bureaucratic activity, whom the outside frames would feed in some ways[7/17/2007 3:01:55 PM] fe2cruz says: do we have all 9 cells confirmed?[7/17/2007 3:02:02 PM] ideacritik says: no[7/17/2007 3:02:03 PM] cym says: not yet[7/17/2007 3:02:14 PM] ideacritik says: but a plan for empty frames i think... [7/17/2007 3:02:27 PM] ideacritik says: think we miss 1-2[7/17/2007 3:02:51 PM] thom_edison says: no - 7 we are now [7/17/2007 3:02:55 PM] fe2cruz says: and how long of a timeslot do we have?[7/17/2007 3:02:57 PM] thom_edison says: the empty cells could be a constant road movie also[7/17/2007 3:03:06 PM] ideacritik says: fe2: we decide[7/17/2007 3:03:19 PM] ideacritik says: thom_ or an exit sign[7/17/2007 3:03:24 PM] thom_edison says: time: 30 minutes (15 in rotterdam was short...)[7/17/2007 3:03:27 PM] ideacritik says: (or both)[7/17/2007 3:03:49 PM] thom_edison says: THE exit sign[7/17/2007 3:04:13 PM] aether9 says: the road movie part should come in as a surprise i think[7/17/2007 3:04:33 PM] fe2cruz says: doors opening to roads?[7/17/2007 3:04:39 PM] thom_edison says: a little convenu to have it constant, true[7/17/2007 3:04:45 PM] thom_edison says: yeah[7/17/2007 3:04:50 PM] aether9 says: thom, do you have the time to continue writing on the script? i need to get up very early tomorrow and will be busy until evening...[7/17/2007 3:05:00 PM] thom_edison says: yes[7/17/2007 3:05:10 PM] aether9 says: good[7/17/2007 3:05:21 PM] thom_edison says: how long do we imagine doing this one?[7/17/2007 3:05:28 PM] cym says: me too[7/17/2007 3:05:39 PM] ideacritik says: ?[7/17/2007 3:05:40 PM] cym says: i will leave the script to you. i think there are some nice ideas now[7/17/2007 3:06:08 PM] cym says: but please let me know if i need to prepare anything before. i won't have time for that on thursday anymore[7/17/2007 3:06:27 PM] cym says: (like making a road movie or a map)[7/17/2007 3:06:33 PM] fe2cruz says: boris, sorry to leave you hangin, but i'n actually at work too. just write what you feel and i can add some things later when you all are sleeping[7/17/2007 3:06:44 PM] thom_edison says: ok[7/17/2007 3:06:52 PM] cym says: that is nice, someone work while we are sleeping[7/17/2007 3:06:58 PM] thom_edison says: a last thing: i'll thing it lasts 30 minuts?[7/17/2007 3:06:58 PM] ideacritik says: we still do the wiki or? (for script)[7/17/2007 3:07:03 PM] cym says: and when we wake up the work is done[7/17/2007 3:07:15 PM] fe2cruz says: yeah i think the wiki is easier than emails yes?[7/17/2007 3:07:19 PM] ideacritik says: 30 sounds good. [7/17/2007 3:07:20 PM] thom_edison says: later i'll post my work on the wiki and send an email to the list[7/17/2007 3:07:23 PM] cym says: 30 mins is good. it should really not be longer[7/17/2007 3:07:32 PM] cym says: 20 minutes or 25 would also be fine for me[7/17/2007 3:07:48 PM] cym says: okay thom, i will have a look tomorrow[7/17/2007 3:07:49 PM] ideacritik says: 22.5? ; )[7/17/2007 3:07:55 PM] cym says: i like 27[7/17/2007 3:07:55 PM] thom_edison says: cym - will you do live stuff or all prerecorded?[7/17/2007 3:08:06 PM] ideacritik says: bon bon bon... ... hahah[7/17/2007 3:08:12 PM] cym says: i would like to do everything live[7/17/2007 3:08:23 PM] thom_edison says: ok[7/17/2007 3:08:26 PM] ideacritik says: i would like to have a studio again : (][7/17/2007 3:08:36 PM] cym says: because nova will be here so we will be two and one can be acting and one can be streaming[7/17/2007 3:08:45 PM] cym says: but it totally depends on how his pd-patch is working[7/17/2007 3:08:51 PM] thom_edison says: idea, when will you know if you'll be able or not to perform?[7/17/2007 3:08:53 PM] cym says: if this will be possible[7/17/2007 3:08:56 PM] ideacritik says: tomorrow[7/17/2007 3:09:08 PM] thom_edison says: ok[7/17/2007 3:10:07 PM] cym says: if the pd-patch doesn't work i will fall back to the semi-live images like last time[7/17/2007 3:10:44 PM] thom_edison says: 27 minutes i like also[7/17/2007 3:11:07 PM] cym says: in any case, there'll be some doors from wd8[7/17/2007 3:11:11 PM] cym says: 27 is great[7/17/2007 3:11:31 PM] cym says: okay, i go now... sorry to leave you. i will read the script tomorrow[7/17/2007 3:11:36 PM] cym says: bye all[7/17/2007 3:11:45 PM] ideacritik says: goie nacht[7/17/2007 3:11:47 PM] fe2cruz says: bye cym[7/17/2007 3:11:48 PM] thom_edison says: good nit[7/17/2007 3:11:51 PM] ideacritik says: goei nacht[7/17/2007 3:11:57 PM] cym says: goeie nacht[7/17/2007 3:12:08 PM] cym says: or n8[7/17/2007 3:12:08 PM] ideacritik says: (was wonderinga bout spelling...[7/17/2007 3:12:15 PM] cym says: goede nacht is correct[7/17/2007 3:12:21 PM] cym says: goeie is only speaking version[7/17/2007 3:12:36 PM] ideacritik says: ah yes... brabant tought me some little weird things...[7/17/2007 3:12:37 PM] cym says: and maybe it should even be together, one word[7/17/2007 3:12:47 PM] cym says: goedenacht i think it should be[7/17/2007 3:13:00 PM] ideacritik says: slaap lekker![7/17/2007 3:13:01 PM] cym says: but i am really losing my dutch[7/17/2007 3:13:16 PM] cym says: that is correct, let's stick to that, slaap lekker![7/17/2007 3:13:21 PM] ideacritik says: i wish i had it in the first place![7/17/2007 3:13:25 PM] ideacritik says: good.[7/17/2007 3:13:28 PM] cym says: a bientot![7/17/2007 3:14:07 PM] thom_edison says: ciao tutti[7/17/2007 3:15:06 PM] fe2cruz says: were there any other major issues with the script concepts or theme?[7/17/2007 3:15:46 PM] ideacritik says: needs to be fleshed out a bit. [7/17/2007 3:15:56 PM] thom_edison says: audrey: we could script you doing only micro actions (so you wouldn't need a studio)[7/17/2007 3:15:59 PM] ideacritik says: we have door, deliveries, desk... and map. + text[7/17/2007 3:16:20 PM] thom_edison says: an internet cafe could even do it...[7/17/2007 3:16:37 PM] aether9 says: bye. i have to leave now unfortunately.[7/17/2007 3:16:54 PM] thom_edison says: bye dude[7/17/2007 3:16:57 PM] ideacritik says: micro actions... well the studio is necessary and the video camera - i don't have webcam. and i think whoever can afford me a space can lend me those two things. [7/17/2007 3:17:03 PM] fe2cruz says: microstuff is best yes, we should always be able to fall back to that just incase you have technical glitches and you can't stream live properly[7/17/2007 3:17:12 PM] ideacritik says: so i think it's not necessary... but ill let you know asap.[7/17/2007 3:17:25 PM] thom_edison says: what isn't necessary?[7/17/2007 3:17:36 PM] thom_edison says: chris, would you prefer do micro-stuff?[7/17/2007 3:17:37 PM] ideacritik says: the micro - but its not a bad fall back plan indeed[7/17/2007 3:17:52 PM] ideacritik says: a mix of macro and micro is nice anyway.[7/17/2007 3:18:06 PM] fe2cruz says: yeah, cause i get locked out of the FTP pretty often[7/17/2007 3:18:12 PM] thom_edison says: ok[7/17/2007 3:18:58 PM] thom_edison says: chris, we are going to use the exit pic here http://netuser.bg/2007/en/?gal=1&page_id=500[7/17/2007 3:19:54 PM] thom_edison says: and lucy will do some kind of map and send us parts of it (like a formed puzzle) that we will display in some way[7/17/2007 3:20:30 PM] fe2cruz says: cool, i was hoping to do some synchronized shapes and forms with the cells one day[7/17/2007 3:21:10 PM] thom_edison says: mmm in fact we are 6 and not 7...[7/17/2007 3:21:30 PM] thom_edison says: i counted natali - but she will audio stream only[7/17/2007 3:22:45 PM] fe2cruz says: we could load images into the empty frames anyway, costant doors or roads or something[7/17/2007 3:23:09 PM] fe2cruz says: maybe the teams can have two machines online to load a couple stock sets[7/17/2007 3:24:35 PM] fe2cruz says: or each of us can just have FTP software on to upload a set of 9 images to the empty cell at a certain time[7/17/2007 3:26:06 PM] ideacritik says: or one frame on top, two middle, three bottom. a real hierarchical division...[7/17/2007 3:26:20 PM] ideacritik says: and deliveries can be made -up and down-[7/17/2007 3:26:41 PM] ideacritik says: like la maison des fous in asterix... up and down the different staircases....[7/17/2007 3:27:28 PM] ideacritik says: staircases could also be nice... in combination with the doors.[7/17/2007 3:27:45 PM] fe2cruz says: pyramid! we can have an eye in the center[7/17/2007 3:27:47 PM] thom_edison says: yes[7/17/2007 3:27:59 PM] ideacritik says: im trying to ask for a spot in a nice space - old building with crazy small steep staircase....[7/17/2007 3:28:32 PM] ideacritik says: eye in a red star ; ) haha....[7/17/2007 3:28:47 PM] fe2cruz says: oh wow! yeah we could project the stairs or pyramid onto the wall space and match the shapes and architecture![7/17/2007 3:29:29 PM] ideacritik says: oh... my... that could be nice... (does this mean i need a projector too??)....[7/17/2007 3:30:26 PM] ideacritik says: i can imagine the middle row (left and right not middle) constantly going up and down stairs....[7/17/2007 3:30:30 PM] fe2cruz says: the space doesn't have a projector? wait i think i joined to late, audrey are you presenting or streaming i'm confused[7/17/2007 3:30:47 PM] ideacritik says: no one is presentin. its only remote this time.[7/17/2007 3:30:59 PM] ideacritik says: i will try to stream if i can sort the material + space.[7/17/2007 3:31:02 PM] ideacritik says: workin' on it.[7/17/2007 3:31:23 PM] thom_edison says: lucy just sent a map draft[7/17/2007 3:31:23 PM] ideacritik says: (don't have my studio anymore... so i'm asking around).[7/17/2007 3:31:31 PM] ideacritik says: by email?[7/17/2007 3:31:39 PM] thom_edison says: da[7/17/2007 3:32:59 PM] ideacritik says: hasnt' gone through to my mailbox yet...[7/17/2007 3:36:22 PM] ideacritik says: do you think that the combination of this map and a bureaucratic penchant theme might be a bit badly received in a an x-soviet country?[7/17/2007 3:36:56 PM] thom_edison says: no.[7/17/2007 3:37:09 PM] fe2cruz added Nylon to this chat[7/17/2007 3:37:38 PM] ideacritik says: ok. just a thought... [7/17/2007 3:38:25 PM] fe2cruz says: hey guys i gotta run back to work, but i brought Judy here to help flesh out the script[7/17/2007 3:39:09 PM] ideacritik says: nice. i'm getting tired ---[7/17/2007 3:40:53 PM] thom_edison says: ok - i will integrate those last ideas - good work/nite[7/17/2007 3:40:59 PM] thom_edison says: hello judy[7/17/2007 3:41:25 PM] Nylon says: Hi....I'm skimming the things previously written[7/17/2007 3:41:45 PM] thom_edison says: http://netuser.bg/2007/en/?gal=1&page_id=500[7/17/2007 3:41:52 PM] thom_edison says: when you browse these images[7/17/2007 3:42:10 PM] thom_edison says: you will notice a picture of the emergency exit plan of the hotel[7/17/2007 3:42:10 PM] fe2cruz says: bye audrey, thanks for staying up to work on the script boris, i'll leave you and judy and check out the results later[7/17/2007 3:42:22 PM] Nylon says: the eyes covered live and the multi location vid. footage as mental travel is GOOD idea is[7/17/2007 3:42:29 PM] ideacritik says: bye fe2cruz![7/17/2007 3:43:06 PM] thom_edison says: yes please say what seems good to you judy[7/17/2007 3:43:07 PM] ideacritik says: ps the bulgaria dates shoudl be added to the timeline of events on the http://1904.cc/aether/ page...[7/17/2007 3:46:21 PM] Nylon says: PS...i'm paljudy here in case anyone else wants to add me directly[7/17/2007 3:47:35 PM] thom_edison says: thanks - i'm boris, here thom_edison[7/17/2007 3:48:05 PM] thom_edison says: ok added you[7/17/2007 3:51:06 PM] Nylon says: We can work in contrast with the visuals posted that are the location by inserting the marvelous & monsterous. That way use Bulgaria as a frame and contrast it........or we can mirror it to pass in that reality without notice...which is interesting too. What is the action line?[7/17/2007 3:54:19 PM] thom_edison says: basically: actors carrying activities (not well defined yet) involving doors and straircases, activities feeding in a way a (central) figure standing quite still (in a style similar to terrorist video manifestoes) - this is my partial current understanding[7/17/2007 3:54:46 PM] thom_edison says: details: there will be 6 performers[7/17/2007 3:55:13 PM] Nylon says: OK...thinking[7/17/2007 3:55:21 PM] thom_edison says: (so if we keep the 9 cells structure, it means 3 cells without performers)[7/17/2007 3:55:44 PM] ideacritik says: pyramid structure was a thought for the frame disposition... [7/17/2007 3:57:09 PM] thom_edison says: chris, for instance, prefers to be assigned micro -actions, while manuel has good full stage presence, so i am thinking to divide tasks a little: some performers doing mostly micro stuff and others with more body presence[7/17/2007 3:58:42 PM] thom_edison says: yes, pyramid structure - the thing is that the html interface will not give a pyramid feel at all.[7/17/2007 3:59:48 PM] ideacritik says: true, the table would have to be reconfigured for teh middle row...[7/17/2007 3:59:49 PM] Nylon says: Bottom 3 frames could be a slide show of close up images of things that may or may not be useful in the location. Thing of the objects that pop up in game design.....that which you collect when proceeding in a game. Except we can give the idea shopping in the West....only some of which is useful objets.[7/17/2007 4:00:41 PM] Nylon says: the side some could flash quickly accross several boxes almost too quickly to choose[7/17/2007 4:01:15 PM] Nylon says: slide "show"...not "some"[7/17/2007 4:01:41 PM] thom_edison says: what means " things that may or may not be useful in the location."?[7/17/2007 4:02:16 PM] thom_edison says: i mean - what location...[7/17/2007 4:02:48 PM] thom_edison says: ok, like in games, objects that you collect...[7/17/2007 4:02:57 PM] Nylon says: Well...a pair of 6" heeled shiny black shoes would not be useful in this location in Bulgaria[7/17/2007 4:03:06 PM] thom_edison says: Ah![7/17/2007 4:03:34 PM] thom_edison says: a?e see[7/17/2007 4:03:37 PM] Nylon says: a solar powered flood light would[7/17/2007 4:03:38 PM] ideacritik says: like artefacts for a quest of sorts ... that sort of thing[7/17/2007 4:03:47 PM] Nylon says: Yes yes[7/17/2007 4:03:53 PM] ideacritik says: ok[7/17/2007 4:04:42 PM] thom_edison says: yes it could be verry funny - this in the bottom frames - and some bureaucratic like activity linked to this higher in the page...[7/17/2007 4:04:55 PM] thom_edison says: makes me laugh[7/17/2007 4:05:03 PM] Nylon says: It can fill out the empty boxes...I can photo things or grab them off web[7/17/2007 4:05:07 PM] Nylon says: good[7/17/2007 4:05:42 PM] ideacritik says: sounds good[7/17/2007 4:06:03 PM] ideacritik says: i think ill be out folks.[7/17/2007 4:06:27 PM] ideacritik says: i'll let you know as soon as i secure the space... cross your fingers : )[7/17/2007 4:06:38 PM] ideacritik says: good luck with fleshing out the rest of the beast[7/17/2007 4:06:38 PM] Nylon says: and......everything is available online..............if not really in the hand[7/17/2007 4:06:46 PM] thom_edison says: good luck! sleep well.[7/17/2007 4:06:52 PM] Nylon says: OK bye.....sleep well[7/17/2007 4:07:09 PM] ideacritik says: salut. a demain. we meet onlien tomorow or just impromptu wiki contributions?[7/17/2007 4:07:25 PM] ideacritik says: and then sometime thrusday afternnon?[7/17/2007 4:07:50 PM] thom_edison says: no rendezvous scheduled - some of us will be online tommorow european evening[7/17/2007 4:08:00 PM] ideacritik says: okido. ciao![7/17/2007 4:08:12 PM] thom_edison says: by tommorow morning i'll post stuff on wiki and maillist[7/17/2007 4:08:47 PM] Nylon says: Humor is a good thing here......I will start gathering images/artifacts to use....everyone should so we have a lot[7/17/2007 4:09:57 PM] thom_edison says: there's also the will to have a comon action - at the end, the display of one map (divided between performers as a ormed puzzle) (lucy quickly proposed one 30 minutes ago,i send it to you)[7/17/2007 4:10:43 PM] Nylon says: Great looking map[7/17/2007 4:10:47 PM] thom_edison says: in cyrillic, lucy says this means "exit"[7/17/2007 4:11:06 PM] thom_edison says: yes, quite nice indeed[7/17/2007 4:12:04 PM] Nylon says: The slide show idea will also wook like a metronome.....tick tick....and give a sense of movement[7/17/2007 4:12:55 PM] thom_edison says: this is a pic from me doing some performance in rumania last year, this is sort of what i meant before[7/17/2007 4:13:34 PM] thom_edison says: (gigi becali is the ruppert murdoch or donald trump from rumania)[7/17/2007 4:14:09 PM] Nylon says: But now ......Ok I was about to google this name[7/17/2007 4:14:33 PM] thom_edison says: yes, a regular sense of mouvement - wich gives joy[7/17/2007 4:15:35 PM] thom_edison says: me too, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gigi_Becali - [7/17/2007 4:16:05 PM] Nylon says: Right now the USA is over run with reality show TV.....can we 'find the next gigi becali"?[7/17/2007 4:16:51 PM] thom_edison says: is it a joke or a performance theme? ahaha[7/17/2007 4:17:28 PM] Nylon says: A joke framing as sad truth that there is always another one coming along[7/17/2007 4:17:37 PM] thom_edison says: yeah...[7/17/2007 4:18:38 PM] thom_edison says: few people know that Wilhelm Tell had several sons[7/17/2007 4:18:59 PM] thom_edison says: (by gary arson actually) this is a swiss joke that inspired me[7/17/2007 4:19:15 PM] thom_edison says: larson[7/17/2007 4:20:49 PM] thom_edison says: so, the 3 bottom frames are objects as described[7/17/2007 4:21:35 PM] thom_edison says: then performers, some of wich engaged in deciding usefull/ununsefull characteristics of these objecs[7/17/2007 4:22:49 PM] thom_edison says: by all kinds of procedures (close ups... --> each performer could as yo said give some "plain" objects and they could "analyse" them and sort them in some ways)[7/17/2007 4:23:01 PM] Nylon says: I saw bluetooth art from that part of the world that makes me think of an action: that performers could each be finding a piece of something at their location that could make something whole and valuable in Bulgaria[7/17/2007 4:23:58 PM] thom_edison says: yeah[7/17/2007 4:25:57 PM] Nylon says: yes analizing or just mentally searching through similar objects at their location (and one never has somethingexactly like it) until they inadvertantly come across a piece for each of the performers that somehow makes something you/the audience can recognise as useful and valuable[7/17/2007 4:26:25 PM] thom_edison says: so it is most important that the performers explicitely do things live with the bottom objects (that they proposed).[7/17/2007 4:26:33 PM] Nylon says: SO...what would that be to the central character[7/17/2007 4:27:12 PM] thom_edison says: but now, there's no possible geometrical center for the performers.[7/17/2007 4:27:40 PM] thom_edison says: but still the principle could be respected even not geometrically centered[7/17/2007 4:28:39 PM] thom_edison says: ah! still the central frame, and the 2 middle side frames would be acts of transmission towards the 3 upper frames, where performers would "process" the objects[7/17/2007 4:29:11 PM] thom_edison says: acts of transmission = running trough staires, passing through doors, etc[7/17/2007 4:29:28 PM] Nylon says: not necessary that they proposed.....just that someone proposed....and not all of the objects have any meaning. They can be just good to look at. That they add up to anything for a central character is a bit random[7/17/2007 4:29:58 PM] thom_edison says: objects do not need to be numerous - 3-4 objects per performer seems enough to me[7/17/2007 4:30:57 PM] Nylon says: Yes ....but we can hide them among a lot of objects images flashing by in the lower boxes[7/17/2007 4:31:38 PM] Nylon says: the useful ones can be tiny and easy to find in anyones surrounding[7/17/2007 4:32:32 PM] Nylon says: a key, a battery, eyeglasses, an apple, etc etc[7/17/2007 4:32:36 PM] thom_edison says: essential objects[7/17/2007 4:32:42 PM] Nylon says: quite[7/17/2007 4:33:16 PM] thom_edison says: mixed with ...[7/17/2007 4:33:26 PM] Nylon says: and they will be a releif to spot after an onslaught of extravagant objects[7/17/2007 4:34:25 PM] Nylon says: art,masks, high end tech objects, fabulous furniture, $4000 handbags etc etc[7/17/2007 4:34:29 PM] thom_edison says: it means that we need to make "slideshow videos" that will be running during the event [7/17/2007 4:35:04 PM] thom_edison says: this means that we need 3 computers running these videos[7/17/2007 4:35:30 PM] Nylon says: I think/hope/dream that is is easy.....can we put the slide show on line looped/[7/17/2007 4:36:02 PM] thom_edison says: we might - we should - we can -we will[7/17/2007 4:37:02 PM] thom_edison says: i do a test now[7/17/2007 4:37:57 PM] Nylon says: maybe.....even just mount them on something that is set up to do a slide show???? and connect it to us/ aether....I don't know, I'm not skilled at this[7/17/2007 4:40:39 PM] thom_edison says: mine neither - but i'm sure it will work[7/17/2007 4:41:27 PM] thom_edison says: (in theory , then in practice nothing is too sure here...)[7/17/2007 4:41:35 PM] Nylon says: I run ebay auctions of high end jewelry...so I have MANY jewelry jpgs that are art directed and done! I can get them out. Maybe just set the show up on photobucket or flickr and link it to the aether server[7/17/2007 4:42:47 PM] thom_edison says: i don't want to try to figure out solutions, cause i have knowledge of how actually doing it.[7/17/2007 4:43:14 PM] Nylon says: That's a relief![7/17/2007 4:43:17 PM] thom_edison says: manu and alejo are the best of us for this for now[7/17/2007 4:44:45 PM] thom_edison says: i need to eat some muesli before writing the collective stuff... i'll be back in a few[7/17/2007 4:44:46 PM] Nylon says: So give me a minute to write a synopsis of what we liked so far[7/17/2007 4:44:54 PM] thom_edison says: ah great thanks[7/17/2007 4:59:17 PM] thom_edison says: ..[7/17/2007 4:59:45 PM] Nylon says: There are 9 boxes. There are six performers in six boxes (3 across) . The center figure in the middle row box is the central figure in the performance to whom the action is directed. The last row of three boxes contains 3 looped slide shows of objets. Many of the objects in the slide show are interesting to look at (fashion, art, high end tech or tools, jewels) but not useful in the broadcast location in Bulgaria. Hidden among these luxe consumer side shows are objects necessary to the action ( like a key, glasses, silverware, food). when they are seen by performers in the 6 performing boxes, these performers gather something similar to the things they have seen in the slide show that they think is useful at their location and put them outside their door. The central character has nothing and seems unable to fend for himself where he is. He is in an empty location...well light and attractive (small? large?) with nothing remarkable but a doorframe. From this doorframe he pulls objects that.......[7/17/2007 5:01:17 PM] Nylon says: look the same or close to the ones selected by others at other locations. He edits what he needs and puts the rest outside his door and leaves.........the glam slide show rolls on and fades[7/17/2007 5:04:14 PM] Nylon says: the useful, the desirable (without being needed), sharing, editing,...... the difference as to what this is from location to location.....and the show of what's on offer commercially that continues whithout anyone comsuming[7/17/2007 5:05:04 PM] thom_edison says: ![7/17/2007 5:05:24 PM] Nylon says: Is there enough for everyone to do? + you must be tired[7/17/2007 5:05:35 PM] thom_edison says: well explained. some details must be sorted out.[7/17/2007 5:05:53 PM] Nylon says: absolutely..........sleep on it?[7/17/2007 5:06:30 PM] thom_edison says: but it's practical things linked to the technique that you didn't experienced yet. so i'll adapt you text to this and post it.[7/17/2007 5:06:42 PM] Nylon says: OK[7/17/2007 5:06:49 PM] thom_edison says: and one thing i want to ask you:[7/17/2007 5:06:55 PM] Nylon says: ?[7/17/2007 5:07:14 PM] thom_edison says: could you give us plenty of images of luxury and frivolous stuff...[7/17/2007 5:07:30 PM] Nylon says: SURE![7/17/2007 5:07:50 PM] thom_edison says: i mean it's easier if you do it than to ask each single person, then gather, then wait for that one etc...[7/17/2007 5:08:11 PM] thom_edison says: i ll ask the performers to come up with their usefull objects....[7/17/2007 5:08:13 PM] Nylon says: Great! I'll start gathering[7/17/2007 5:08:29 PM] thom_edison says: and wait a second...[7/17/2007 5:08:36 PM] thom_edison says: what happens with the eyes covered live and the multi location vid. footage as mental trave[7/17/2007 5:09:01 PM] Nylon says: Saved til next show?[7/17/2007 5:09:23 PM] thom_edison says: all right![7/17/2007 5:10:09 PM] thom_edison says: a great pleasure having you on the team![7/17/2007 5:10:49 PM] thom_edison says: (although team might not be the right word)[7/17/2007 5:10:51 PM] Nylon says: I too am excited......to not be alone trying to work /create Thanks[7/17/2007 5:11:10 PM] Nylon says: We'll get a word for it[7/17/2007 5:11:35 PM] Nylon says: Good Night.[7/17/2007 5:11:48 PM] thom_edison says: the questions raised by this project are numerous and complex, sometimes i feel lost... yeah, good day to you.[7/18/2007 12:06:05 PM] fe2cruz added la, paula v?lez to this chat[5:14:08 AM] laure.dit says: hello[5:14:15 AM] ideacritik says: allo?[5:14:23 AM] ideacritik says: je suis absolutment confuse...[5:14:32 AM] ideacritik says: je viens de lire tous les mails. [5:14:38 AM] ideacritik says: photos d'objets[5:14:47 AM] ideacritik says: sample de voix....[5:15:03 AM] laure.dit says: moi je commence a y voir plus clair[5:15:11 AM] ideacritik says: pis ce truc de mettre les objets derriere la porte je ne comprends rien dutout[5:15:14 AM] ideacritik says: a bon.[5:15:27 AM] laure.dit says: ca moi jai tjrs pas compris[5:15:39 AM] laure.dit says: les maps non plus [5:16:08 AM] ideacritik says: quel genre d'objets doit-on choisir...? n'importe quoi ou bien?[5:16:20 AM] laure.dit says: il faut que je fasse maintenant les 4 objets phto[5:16:39 AM] laure.dit says: des objets qui te semblent plus utile que luxurieux[5:17:28 AM] laure.dit says: en fait prends nimporte quels objets avec lesquels tu timagines bien jou?s prndant une demi heure[5:20:47 AM] ideacritik says: justement.... oh. ca sera difficile.[5:27:09 AM] laure.dit says: ?a ira .[5:32:52 AM] ideacritik says: ca fait 1 1/2 heure que j'attend le gars pour m'arranger la camera + internet devant la porte dans l'espace ici....[5:44:16 AM] laure.dit says: youpee lalala[5:45:41 AM] ideacritik says: l'enfer....[5:46:06 AM] ideacritik says: tu as uploader to .mp3 our envoyer directement a natalie?[6:15:56 AM] cym says: hello all[6:22:47 AM] laure.dit says: jai envoy? direct a nathalie[6:23:03 AM] laure.dit says: hello cym[6:23:28 AM] laure.dit says: can someone send me the upload max patch i cant find it [6:26:19 AM] cym says: i don't have it...[6:26:54 AM] cym says: i will be online again around 18h. i hope some of you will be there then to test[6:30:20 AM] ideacritik says: oooff.. i don't know where the patch is.[6:30:34 AM] ideacritik says: im madly trying to set up find objects and ... etc. things not going so smootly today[6:37:12 AM] cym says: luka will be here only around 17h, so we have about an hour to set everything up. i hope to have everything working by 18h, so we can test a little with you.[6:37:30 AM] cym says: so see you later, i'll be online again around 18h[5:13:40 AM] ideacritik says: allo???[7:19:55 AM] laure.dit says: im back[7:34:39 AM] ideacritik says: ok -- i will go get a small bite of breakfast/lunch -- things appear to be set up... but i dont have new patch and etc...[7:34:53 AM] ideacritik says: im still trying on upload_114 with old server adresses[7:38:38 AM] ideacritik says: fe2 : cheers[7:39:11 AM] fe2cruz says: no problem[7:39:34 AM] laure.dit says: where do you find th upload_11'[7:42:46 AM] ideacritik says: i am unable to upload in frame3 -- error message: upload 0 ftp://imaginaryscience.org/3/1x.jpg[7:43:05 AM] ideacritik says: error: jit.uldl: error -34[7:43:24 AM] ideacritik says: error: jit.uldl : doesnt understand "int"[7:43:42 AM] laure.dit says: 114[7:44:54 AM] fe2cruz says: laure were at 115 with the new servers http://1904.cc/kode/upload_115.zip[7:45:51 AM] fe2cruz says: audrey, do you have a firewall or router blocking max in your studio?[7:47:29 AM] ideacritik says: hum... i will ask. this is a new place for me.[7:47:54 AM] ideacritik says: i mean i uploaded stuff to my server via terminal (scp) but perhaps that is different... i go ask.[7:48:45 AM] aether9 says: idea, i try to understand the mistake, it seems it's something in the patch, very strange... get the same error here, while with the same server, directory 4, it's working....[7:50:17 AM] fe2cruz says: i'n accessing directory 4 imaginary science through my FTPclient instead, no luck again with max or PD for this performance. i'll be using vdub and manual uploads again[7:53:40 AM] ideacritik says: ok well my hand are tied so ill go find a bit of breakgast before we start....[7:54:30 AM] aether9 says: ok, got it, simply the directory 3 didn't exist yet on the server. i just created it now, the patch should work fine[7:54:36 AM] ideacritik says: ok i try[7:55:40 AM] ideacritik says: youpi!!![7:55:51 AM] ideacritik says: ok i go for 30min. [7:55:54 AM] ideacritik says: merci manu![7:58:59 AM] ideacritik says: do you like my opening door ? : )[7:59:02 AM] ideacritik says: a bientot[8:01:21 AM] cym says: we are building up now outside in the pigs house[8:05:19 AM] fe2cruz added alejood to this chat[8:06:58 AM] fe2cruz added fefifolios to this chat[8:07:47 AM] fe2cruz says: can't wait to see the pigs, cym did PD work? or are you using vdub again[8:10:15 AM] fe2cruz says: yes, manuel the location ou have for me chris is good[8:12:37 AM] laure.dit says: i didnt manage opening this http://1904.cc/kode/upload_115.zip[8:13:04 AM] cym says: almost there[8:16:21 AM] fe2cruz says: laure, i've sent you the files through skype now, after you accept the file just put them in a folder so the jpegs won't go all over the place[8:17:56 AM] fe2cruz says: there are 5 files[8:20:13 AM] aether9 says: ok chris, i just talked to laure and also sent her the files by mail. it should work hopefully..[8:21:25 AM] fe2cruz says: ok, cool i gotta start recording some footage, what time is the performance?[8:25:01 AM] aether9 says: in 1:36 hours...[8:25:15 AM] thom_edison says: 7 pm cet - this means noon in california i think - hello everybody...[8:27:22 AM] Remote Control Monkey says: the League here[8:29:19 AM] aether9 added Nova Viator / Luka Princic to this chat[8:31:15 AM] Remote Control Monkey says: Manuel, you received the League images - yes? do you have the url where the performance will take place?[8:31:46 AM] aether9 says: hi, yeah, i received all your images, audrey's too. performance link is as usual: 1904.cc/aether/live[8:32:03 AM] aether9 says: i'm right now finishing the html slideshow for the 224 images...[8:33:15 AM] aether9 says: as i'm updating the HTML frequently, you might need to reload from time to time the mainframe manually to see the changes... http://1904.cc/aether/live/mainframe_bulgaria.html[8:34:04 AM] aether9 says: those of you who are ready, you could upload some "neutral" imagery for the waiting audience[8:35:31 AM] aether9 says: and one last proposal: during the first minutes, one of you could give a brief explanation of the how/what/who of the aether project.. handwritten on some pieces of paper.. explaining that the images are realtime from the various locations....[8:37:28 AM] Remote Control Monkey says: I'll add some simple text - would be nice if several of us gave info about it...layered texts/modes of explaining - yes?[8:38:08 AM] Remote Control Monkey says: and a brief explanation - hah! this one alludes a bit...will try[8:38:19 AM] aether9 says: btw, lucy, your location is trondheim, correct?[8:38:53 AM] thom_edison says: chris'es location is vorba or yorba???[8:39:03 AM] Remote Control Monkey says: Yes - Trondheim, Norway[8:39:44 AM] laure.dit says: the patch upload 115 would not appear when i open it in max msp runtime. and i dont understand why[8:40:18 AM] thom_edison says: laure, did you download & install jitter?[8:40:37 AM] thom_edison says: (she needs to do something like that, right?)[8:44:07 AM] ideacritik says: i'm a bit unclear with script. one of my objects will appear on screen and i then have find/do/act somethign with it?[8:44:59 AM] laure.dit says: i dont understand the thing with the objects behind the door[8:45:08 AM] ideacritik says: me neither...[8:50:22 AM] ideacritik says: i also don't have a special suit or makeup!![8:52:08 AM] aether9 says: i guess the idea with the door is a sort of teleportation thing.. but boris could explain it better[8:52:23 AM] ideacritik says: waht about exchange between frames?[8:53:33 AM] ideacritik says: remote control monkey: you are the square below me. how do we cue for exchange between frames. like me putting something through the door or pretending to pick up something you put in the air towards me?[8:53:36 AM] ideacritik says: for example.[8:55:08 AM] ideacritik says: cym: you are next to me -- same question as above goes to you.[8:47:33 AM] laure.dit says: problem, either with jitter i cant open the patch[8:48:55 AM] laure.dit says: is it a problem with th application i downloaded today [8:50:39 AM] laure.dit says: problem, either with jitter i cant open the patch[8:51:40 AM] laure.dit says: problem[9:00:02 AM] thom_edison says: i'm sorry i have to set up stuff here, with my one problems... but about the objects: no, the idea is not to wait for them to appear down to start processing them - that would be too idealistic - process them whenever, but do it, all 4 objects.[9:02:07 AM] Remote Control Monkey says: for text - how is this for text that I post - please edit...experiment-object-subject-search-inquiryaether consists of an ensemble of remote performers from different locations who attempt to cross the frame[9:03:55 AM] ideacritik says: so i will use the words "experiment - object- subject - search " in myh performance.... im not sure how else the text is meant to be integrated. impro here we go.[9:11:02 AM] Remote Control Monkey says: just put that out there in answer to Manuel's idea of putting up text for intro[9:11:12 AM] Remote Control Monkey says: I've posted up - let me know if you want more other words...[9:13:30 AM] fe2cruz says: i don't think i'll be able to post text this time[9:13:54 AM] Remote Control Monkey says: I am playing with text - just editing live for fun[9:13:57 AM] aether9 says: ok, laure's patch is working now.. and i did a sequential slideshow for the objects, i'm going to create a random now...[9:14:33 AM] Remote Control Monkey says: I don't think I ever saw League objects[9:16:33 AM] laure.dit says: where di i choose the live input to be on my firewire linked camera and not in the internal one[9:16:49 AM] fe2cruz says: do we seriously go on in 45 min?[9:17:48 AM] Remote Control Monkey says: Austria image looks lovely - haunting[9:20:08 AM] Remote Control Monkey says: does anyone know when we are LIVE - is there a PREVIEW period?[9:20:39 AM] thom_edison says: manu, are you in contact with Hotel Plaven???[9:22:36 AM] thom_edison says: great work in trondheim!!![9:22:59 AM] thom_edison says: wooo - now it seems we are about ready...[9:24:04 AM] aether9 says: pleven isn't online on skype yet..[9:24:11 AM] thom_edison says: okk[9:26:41 AM] thom_edison says: .[9:27:03 AM] Remote Control Monkey says: Nice - Ideacritik - yes, let's coordinate![9:27:09 AM] aether9 says: just got a message from Bodrian, will be ready in 35 min[9:28:02 AM] Remote Control Monkey says: OK - so start time delayed slightly to 7:05?[9:28:41 AM] aether9 says: any news from nathalie?[9:28:49 AM] laure.dit says: how do i use my external camera ?[9:33:00 AM] laure.dit says: does any one know ?[9:33:02 AM] thom_edison says: no news from nath.[9:33:49 AM] Remote Control Monkey says: Laure - what program are you in - should be an input select option in most where you can select the source - in preferences - what app?[9:33:51 AM] thom_edison says: laur: plug it in computer via fire fire - restart max and open the patch - selct live...[9:34:00 AM] thom_edison says: you must restart max...[9:34:07 AM] thom_edison says: once your cam is plugged[9:34:17 AM] laure.dit says: max msp[9:34:44 AM] aether9 says: how about the speed of the objects... slower?[9:35:16 AM] thom_edison says: perfect!!!![9:35:31 AM] thom_edison says: jesus - everything is quick tonite...[9:36:04 AM] thom_edison says: trondheim - great?[9:38:52 AM] aether9 added fougeras nathalie to this chat[9:39:05 AM] aether9 says: nathalie, is the sound working?[9:39:09 AM] Nova Viator / Luka Princic says: ah[9:39:11 AM] Nova Viator / Luka Princic says: sorry[9:39:16 AM] Nova Viator / Luka Princic says: i had don't disturb on[9:39:18 AM] fougeras nathalie says: yes[9:39:31 AM] fougeras nathalie says: do you hear?[9:39:43 AM] aether9 says: ah, yes, it works...[9:39:55 AM] fougeras nathalie says: ok pff[9:40:03 AM] Nova Viator / Luka Princic says: hellooo every body![9:40:19 AM] Nova Viator / Luka Princic says: (wave)[9:40:28 AM] fougeras nathalie says: do you remember the html page in live[9:40:34 AM] fougeras nathalie says: because vlc is out in home[9:40:43 AM] fougeras nathalie says: hi luka[9:41:07 AM] aether9 says: direct link: http://1904.cc/aether/live/mainframe_bulgaria.html[9:41:10 AM] Nova Viator / Luka Princic says: it's extremely hot today here. on my way to walkersdorf today it was 40degrees C[9:41:13 AM] fougeras nathalie says: i'm converting ohter sounds in aiff in order to have more mix sounds[9:41:18 AM] fougeras nathalie says: thanks[9:41:25 AM] aether9 says: if you had it open longer than 15 min, could be good to reload...[9:41:30 AM] Nova Viator / Luka Princic says: uuu[9:41:36 AM] Nova Viator / Luka Princic says: i can here some sounds too!![9:41:39 AM] fougeras nathalie says: yes that no change[9:41:39 AM] Nova Viator / Luka Princic says: but had to do a reload[9:41:44 AM] aether9 says: if three diff images are cycling on the bottom: good version[9:42:28 AM] fougeras nathalie says: but when i push in html page on the button sound is not actived..?[9:42:53 AM] aether9 says: it's active here at least..[9:43:02 AM] ideacritik says: cym![9:43:04 AM] thom_edison says: here it works as well[9:43:05 AM] ideacritik says: u there??[9:43:21 AM] fougeras nathalie says: i have gizmo software open yet for Judy[9:43:28 AM] fougeras nathalie says: if she is here[9:43:30 AM] fougeras nathalie says: ..[9:43:39 AM] fougeras nathalie says: she can call me[9:43:50 AM] fougeras nathalie says: in order to record in live[9:43:55 AM] fougeras nathalie says: her intervention chat[9:44:14 AM] ideacritik says: cym: r u there????[9:44:17 AM] fougeras nathalie says: and i convert in mp3 and integrate[9:46:03 AM] Nova Viator / Luka Princic says: cym is comming... in just a bit[9:46:10 AM] Nova Viator / Luka Princic says: not yet here[9:46:24 AM] Nova Viator / Luka Princic says: but we'll do something, she just took oscar to a witches party[9:47:05 AM] thom_edison says: manu, do you record the sound?[9:47:48 AM] aether9 says: yes, i'm going to record sound, and image as much possible[9:47:55 AM] fougeras nathalie says: the chat performance is not yet begining?[9:48:03 AM] aether9 says: in 13 minutes...[9:48:21 AM] fougeras nathalie says: just time to convert oter audio files in aif[9:48:55 AM] fougeras nathalie says: so sorry[9:49:13 AM] fougeras nathalie says: the mix sound now is in loop :)[9:51:47 AM] laure.dit says: its not uploading[9:53:35 AM] thom_edison says: so bulgaria is online?[9:55:09 AM] thom_edison says: ahahah the teyxt...[9:55:27 AM] thom_edison says: laure - is a problem?[9:56:23 AM] aether9 says: problem fixed[9:58:05 AM] thom_edison says: chris - is there?[9:59:04 AM] fe2cruz says: yeah[9:59:13 AM] fe2cruz says: whats the first image you need?[9:59:13 AM] thom_edison says: great...[9:59:18 AM] cym says: okay i am here[9:59:21 AM] cym says: just in time[9:59:33 AM] Nova Viator / Luka Princic says: hay[9:59:35 AM] Nova Viator / Luka Princic says: ;-0[9:59:41 AM] thom_edison says: up to every performer - 7 is in what, 2 minutes? Manu, is bulgaria on time?[9:59:57 AM] aether9 says: bulgaria is offline for the moment[10:00:09 AM] aether9 says: Dobrian said he was setting up[10:00:13 AM] cym says: so we have a little bit more time?[10:00:24 AM] aether9 says: i guess i'll wait for a sign from him[10:00:26 AM] fe2cruz says: yes please the more time the merrier[10:01:59 AM] ideacritik says: waht is start signal?????[10:02:10 AM] cym says: but there are no images coming from walkersdorf here[10:02:20 AM] ideacritik says: i have to go to a meeting lets stay on time plesse[10:02:22 AM] ideacritik says: please[10:02:27 AM] fe2cruz says: do we start on the door then?[10:03:03 AM] ideacritik says: yes[10:03:09 AM] aether9 says: well, we could progressively start now[10:03:22 AM] Nova Viator / Luka Princic says: they are here[10:03:24 AM] Nova Viator / Luka Princic says: cym[10:03:28 AM] Nova Viator / Luka Princic says: reload the frame[10:03:34 AM] Nova Viator / Luka Princic says: they should be going[10:03:37 AM] Nova Viator / Luka Princic says: they are here[10:03:40 AM] Nova Viator / Luka Princic says: in the next house[10:03:42 AM] Nova Viator / Luka Princic says: :)[10:03:51 AM] cym says: now geneva is there[10:03:54 AM] cym says: but still not wd8[10:04:17 AM] cym says: okay, now it is here[10:04:18 AM] Remote Control Monkey says: they had reset our start time 5 min late - remember? so start in ONE MINUTE[10:04:30 AM] fougeras nathalie says: this is the door open and close[10:05:04 AM] cym says: luka can you change the cam to the door?[10:05:12 AM] cym says: and i will enter when it is my turn[10:05:19 AM] Nova Viator / Luka Princic says: cym it's on the door now[10:05:33 AM] ideacritik says: can someone send a start???[10:05:42 AM] cym says: it doesn't change here...[10:05:48 AM] fougeras nathalie says: sound door is starting[10:06:13 AM] cym says: where is the script?[10:06:54 AM] ideacritik says: look for objects find and act... impro[10:06:56 AM] thom_edison says: manu, bulgaria said it started or what?[10:06:59 AM] thom_edison says: ???[10:06:59 AM] ideacritik says: waiting for start here[10:07:05 AM] thom_edison says: here as well[10:06:58 AM] laure.dit says: when is it starting[10:07:02 AM] laure.dit says: ?[10:07:12 AM] laure.dit says: and how do we get the sound[10:08:11 AM] cym says: sound is coming here[10:08:20 AM] cym says: but wd8 frame stays black...[10:08:24 AM] aether9 says: no news from bulgaria, bodrian is offline[10:08:35 AM] ideacritik says: so we wait??[10:08:53 AM] fougeras nathalie says: so you hear the door?[10:08:59 AM] aether9 says: laure, you get the sound pressing on the small "play" button on the bottom..[10:09:01 AM] thom_edison says: manu. you agreed bulgaria would tell you whaen they are ready=?????[10:09:05 AM] cym says: who is calling?[10:09:09 AM] ideacritik says: we hear typing[10:09:20 AM] fougeras nathalie says: no stree..[10:09:25 AM] fougeras nathalie says: stress[10:09:28 AM] fougeras nathalie says: no[10:09:47 AM] fougeras nathalie says: yes it's my old door;. ;)[10:09:49 AM] Remote Control Monkey says: can you change the center frame to door?[10:10:00 AM] Remote Control Monkey says: we did start, yes?[10:10:09 AM] ideacritik says: no[10:10:14 AM] ideacritik says: waiting[10:10:28 AM] ideacritik says: 4 bulgaria ; s: S[10:10:48 AM] Remote Control Monkey says: AH - we always do perform and then start agaaaaaiiiin[10:11:23 AM] cym says: the image 3x.png49578457395293847238 cannot be displayed because it contains errors...[10:11:37 AM] ideacritik says: abort restart?[10:11:56 AM] aether9 says: nat, yes we heat[10:12:04 AM] Nova Viator / Luka Princic says: cym sometimes this happens, but then it reloads[10:12:04 AM] fougeras nathalie says: i'm happy[10:12:07 AM] Nova Viator / Luka Princic says: should[10:12:11 AM] aether9 says: maybe someone writes a message for bulgaria, to give us a sign?[10:13:12 AM] cym says: i'll be right back[10:13:58 AM] aether9 says: it's running in BUlgaria[10:14:03 AM] Nova Viator / Luka Princic says: nice, sound[10:14:04 AM] aether9 says: we can begin![10:14:22 AM] fe2cruz says: i dont see the lower 3 imafges[10:15:08 AM] ideacritik says: we have starteed[10:15:17 AM] aether9 says: yes!!![10:15:21 AM] Remote Control Monkey says: they are there[10:15:50 AM] Remote Control Monkey says: we have begun - change center - yes - hotel contacted us[10:08:20 AM] laure.dit says: we are ready[10:11:06 AM] laure.dit says: max quit[10:11:51 AM] laure.dit says: weare not ready[10:13:35 AM] laure.dit says: we are not ready[10:15:02 AM] laure.dit says: weare not ready[10:16:34 AM] Remote Control Monkey says: OK DELAY[10:16:51 AM] ideacritik says: but they have started[10:16:53 AM] ideacritik says: we go on[10:16:57 AM] thom_edison says: who is speaking with bulgaria ???[10:17:07 AM] Remote Control Monkey says: OK ON - WARD[10:17:09 AM] ideacritik says: aether9 i think[10:17:14 AM] Remote Control Monkey says: BACK TO THIS DOOR YES?[10:17:18 AM] Remote Control Monkey says: AND NOW SEARCH?[10:17:19 AM] thom_edison says: let's go then[10:18:28 AM] laure.dit says: are we uploaded then [10:22:21 AM] fe2cruz says: i only got 5 ce3lls missing austria[10:22:39 AM] Nova Viator / Luka Princic says: reload[10:22:44 AM] Nova Viator / Luka Princic says: you should get us[10:22:53 AM] Nova Viator / Luka Princic says: we are getting ourselves[10:23:28 AM] fe2cruz says: http://1904.cc/aether/live/mainframe_bulgaria.html this is it right?[10:23:48 AM] fe2cruz says: i don't see brussels either[10:24:08 AM] fe2cruz says: i've reloaded a lot already[10:24:17 AM] fe2cruz says: do you guys see me?[10:25:02 AM] aether9 says: i see all the frames, brussels, geneva and rotterdam being the most active[10:26:03 AM] aether9 says: walkersdorf and california arent' refreshing too often..[10:26:40 AM] fe2cruz says: is it just 6 cells then, nothing on the bottom?[10:27:31 AM] aether9 says: bottom are still images of random and selected objects,..,[10:27:50 AM] aether9 says: razor coming through from vorba linda[10:28:18 AM] laure.dit says: i dont see any thing in the center[10:28:47 AM] fe2cruz says: oh well i won't worry about it now, just hollor manuel if you see any cell go blank[10:29:08 AM] fe2cruz says: how much time do we hav left?[10:29:11 AM] laure.dit says: its always lascaux[10:29:18 AM] laure.dit says: good question[10:30:23 AM] aether9 says: whooo, careful with the levels...[10:30:30 AM] thom_edison says: stop sound!!!?!?=!?[10:30:45 AM] thom_edison says: SOUND!!!!!! STOP[10:30:56 AM] thom_edison says: it was perfect before[10:31:18 AM] fougeras nathalie says: yes but it's also best medium to test[10:31:22 AM] fougeras nathalie says: to know[10:33:01 AM] laure.dit says: how much time left ?[10:33:10 AM] fe2cruz says: yes how much time?[10:33:40 AM] aether9 says: depends, where are you now, did you use all the objects?[10:34:05 AM] aether9 says: we could end slowly or continue a bit, i think it's very entertaining[10:34:19 AM] fe2cruz says: no still have 3 more to go[10:34:19 AM] aether9 says: would love to hear more voices...[10:34:44 AM] aether9 says: so let's go on, don't stop![10:34:47 AM] thom_edison says: 13 minutes or so yet[10:34:59 AM] fe2cruz says: 13 sounds good to me or on what ever[10:39:15 AM] cym says: back on chat[10:39:22 AM] cym says: how much longer?[10:39:31 AM] fe2cruz says: 8 minutes[10:40:27 AM] fougeras nathalie says: at the end what kind of exit?[10:40:31 AM] fougeras nathalie says: an alarm or not?[10:40:51 AM] fougeras nathalie says: sound alarm?[10:40:58 AM] fougeras nathalie says: sound fire alarm[10:41:13 AM] cym says: so i will start to clean my pile of objects again now[10:41:27 AM] cym says: i don't have the script please tell me what is next[10:41:46 AM] Nova Viator / Luka Princic says: these pngs are too big[10:43:35 AM] Remote Control Monkey says: boris - can we coordinate passing you something? i sent along all my objects into your frame, but ...[10:44:04 AM] Nova Viator / Luka Princic says: anyone seens cym?[10:44:09 AM] Nova Viator / Luka Princic says: sees[10:44:33 AM] Remote Control Monkey says: I think we should end soon - has been more than 30 minutes[10:44:51 AM] aether9 says: yeah, time for some grand finale[10:44:55 AM] cym says: i almost cleaned up everything again[10:45:04 AM] cym says: i will finish how we started with empty door[10:45:05 AM] aether9 says: the external frames should become empty...[10:45:19 AM] aether9 says: and our main character should act a dramatic ending[10:45:26 AM] thom_edison says: ok i will start now my ending process[10:47:41 AM] fe2cruz says: ok i go to balck now[10:48:07 AM] laure.dit says: hwe end now question mark[10:48:20 AM] fe2cruz says: will someone make the lower 789 frames black?[10:48:58 AM] fougeras nathalie says: when is the end? someone can tell just some seconds before?[10:49:10 AM] ideacritik says: imn done[10:49:28 AM] aether9 says: ok, i'll make the lower frames black[10:49:58 AM] laure.dit says: we are leaving ; door empty[10:50:08 AM] fe2cruz says: everyone else go to black too except for boris[10:50:58 AM] thom_edison says: ok[10:51:09 AM] ideacritik says: im going black[10:51:10 AM] thom_edison says: at ther end of the end i will also go black[10:51:16 AM] thom_edison says: after everybody[10:51:35 AM] thom_edison says: (manu you could maybee force the reluctant frames?)[10:52:18 AM] cym says: i just bowed for you[10:52:24 AM] cym says: but it takes time till it uploads[10:52:33 AM] ideacritik says: i jsut want to say that i must go for a house meeting right away. was fun. bit crazy. i hope to hear the wrap up session later. ill try to be online around 10h30 ... thanx. [10:52:42 AM] ideacritik says: i really must go. ok talk to you all later!!!![10:52:44 AM] cym says: oh now the door is closed already in walkersdorf[10:53:16 AM] cym says: is okay au3[10:53:24 AM] cym says: wd8 door is fading[10:53:24 AM] thom_edison says: who is making the frames black???[10:53:26 AM] thom_edison says: ????????[10:53:34 AM] fe2cruz says: cool audrey, good luck with the house, nice stream[10:54:04 AM] laure.dit says: we are supposed to be blqck[10:54:17 AM] fe2cruz says: i see all black almost[10:54:50 AM] thom_edison says: ok - i'm done[10:54:59 AM] thom_edison says: i leave interferences now[10:55:03 AM] Remote Control Monkey says: any way to get the bottom screens black?[10:55:29 AM] aether9 says: hmmm, will be difficult because they are not auto-refreshing[10:55:31 AM] cym says: replace them with black ones[10:55:48 AM] aether9 says: se even if i upload black jpgs now, most browsers will still read from cash..[10:55:52 AM] aether9 says: cache[10:55:55 AM] Remote Control Monkey says: no worries - don't[10:56:09 AM] Remote Control Monkey says: bye - refresh/regroup later - must ruuuun[10:56:14 AM] fe2cruz says: yeah thats fine it still looks good[10:56:17 AM] thom_edison says: ciao[10:56:24 AM] fougeras nathalie says: bye[10:56:25 AM] fe2cruz says: bye lucy, nice maps[10:56:53 AM] fe2cruz says: can we just tell bulgaria to fade out or turn off the projector?[10:57:33 AM] fougeras nathalie says: i stoped the sound too[10:57:33 AM] laure.dit says: people i must go right now but it was a real pleasure[10:57:40 AM] laure.dit says: see you soon[10:57:45 AM] Nova Viator / Luka Princic says: 't was nice.[10:57:46 AM] thom_edison says: bye[10:57:48 AM] fe2cruz says: bye laure[10:57:51 AM] cym says: did anyone record it?[10:57:55 AM] Nova Viator / Luka Princic says: need to figure out the png compression[10:59:29 AM] aether9 says: i recorded a great deal of it[10:59:53 AM] fefifolios left this chat[10:59:56 AM] fougeras nathalie says: ok because me i don't have time to record sound[11:00:04 AM] cym says: great aether[11:00:07 AM] aether9 says: yep, recorded sound too[11:00:09 AM] thom_edison says: ok ... i take a 5 min break to claen up the room of my guests...[11:00:21 AM] cym says: it willbe nice to see it again[11:00:30 AM] cym says: it is difficult to see it when you are acting at the same time[11:00:56 AM] fougeras nathalie says: I'll hope for next time[11:01:20 AM] fougeras nathalie says: maybe in this chat [11:01:25 AM] fougeras nathalie says: during performance[11:01:58 AM] fougeras nathalie says: to follow differents parts[11:02:06 AM] fougeras nathalie says: ..[11:02:25 AM] Nova Viator / Luka Princic says: the chat should be somehow embeded in the frame no?[11:02:35 AM] fougeras nathalie says: yes[11:02:39 AM] cym says: okay i have to go, sorry[11:03:10 AM] aether9 says: ok, bye all. thanks for the great work..[11:03:20 AM] fougeras nathalie says: bye manuel[11:03:37 AM] fougeras nathalie says: bye cym[11:04:53 AM] fougeras nathalie says: ciao and thanks yet to send me your voices[11:05:06 AM] fougeras nathalie says: i know you by voices now[11:05:18 AM] fougeras nathalie says: :)[11:05:25 AM] fougeras nathalie says: ok i go[11:05:36 AM] fougeras nathalie says: _[11:09:23 AM] thom_edison says: anybody left?[11:09:34 AM] Nova Viator / Luka Princic says: mhm[11:09:43 AM] thom_edison says: mm[11:09:47 AM] Nova Viator / Luka Princic says: png compression is.... well i don't know what to say[11:10:02 AM] aether9 says: yeah, they have a tendency to get too heavy[11:10:21 AM] aether9 says: but it was not too bad here, depends probably also on the internet connection[11:10:30 AM] thom_edison says: i don't know nothing about this - i like to perform and develop my tools, but i don't know much else...[11:10:49 AM] aether9 says: also lucy's images from norway were a bit heavy i thing (kb-wise)[11:11:01 AM] thom_edison says: funnylly here, the system i wanted to use did not work at all[11:11:07 AM] Nova Viator / Luka Princic says: The quality setting has no effect on the appearance of PNG and MNG images, since the compression is always lossless.[11:11:09 AM] Nova Viator / Luka Princic says: ??[11:11:24 AM] Nova Viator / Luka Princic says: so they are not compressed?[11:11:29 AM] aether9 says: hmm, in max too, quality settings only apply to movies, not to stills[11:11:33 AM] thom_edison says: and instead i filmed the litle tv screen i was able to send my special images to...[11:11:37 AM] aether9 says: but the jpgs remain in an acceptable range[11:12:06 AM] aether9 says: i think that ghost effect looked great[11:12:06 AM] thom_edison says: my images where super fast for once... did i got a "prefered" server?[11:12:24 AM] aether9 says: yeah, 10111.org[11:12:29 AM] Nova Viator / Luka Princic says: hm, i think i will wrote my upload script to convert to jpeg from now on, becaouse today i haven seen probably 3% of all images i uploaded[11:13:00 AM] thom_edison says: like me the last time... really we need reliable servers...[11:13:36 AM] thom_edison says: if it's related... the .ru where crap, showing also 3% of all images uploaded[11:14:07 AM] thom_edison says: how comw the frames 789 are so quick?[11:14:21 AM] Nova Viator / Luka Princic says: becaouse they are cached[11:14:26 AM] Nova Viator / Luka Princic says: and they don't change[11:14:35 AM] aether9 says: they are cached by the browser, while to others are reloaded each time they show up[11:14:44 AM] thom_edison says: m[11:15:03 AM] aether9 says: ok, i have to leave you to prepare things for my travel tomorrow[11:15:25 AM] thom_edison says: and why is the 1011 server better than im.science and 1904.cc?[11:15:39 AM] thom_edison says: how come?[11:16:01 AM] aether9 says: well, it costs 200 chf a year while 1904.cc costs 25.-[11:16:22 AM] thom_edison says: can we host all 7 cells on 1011?[11:16:46 AM] thom_edison says: ghost effect = very difficult to control...[11:17:27 AM] aether9 says: yeah, on 10111 and on other infomaniak servers (artslashmedia.net, immediat.ch etc...)[11:18:14 AM] aether9 says: see you.[11:18:43 AM] thom_edison says: bye, nice trip and work in dortmund...[11:22:46 AM] fe2cruz says: bye[11:23:05 AM] thom_edison says: yeaah, bye to all[11:50:29 AM] Nova Viator / Luka Princic says: ah sleepy -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.1904.cc/pipermail/aether/attachments/20070719/9fb0624a/attachment.html From art at workofbox.com Thu Jul 19 20:09:27 2007 From: art at workofbox.com (Lucy H G) Date: Thu, 19 Jul 2007 20:09:27 +0200 Subject: [aether] Thoughts, and a riddle Message-ID: Quick thoughts! I think this project in Bulgaria is a bit of a riddle - the script and performance - figure out as you go - search/consume/share. The first aether project with its highly developed storyline, pseudo-science and mythological themes still holds the most for me... It was quite fun to do, and I think it is because of the intensive scripting - even though this made it more challenging. I like the subject/object- consumerism theme for this unnamed last piece, but I think timing is essential. Coordination of objects moved from frame to frame, etc. Perhaps we are all in our own space time bubbles - we are still quite disconnected during these performances, and I think a live audio conference between us would help us to synchronize, as well as get to know one another. Instead of a new theme for each new project - perhaps we could return to this study of an object, of coordination, of passing items through the frame and communicating more "physically" with one other? Boris had called for us to simplify, I think... With very little setup or concept - just play catch, as it were. Lucy/League From fougeras_nathalie at [nospam] yahoo.fr Thu Jul 19 22:05:43 2007 From: fougeras_nathalie at [nospam] yahoo.fr (fougeras nathalie) Date: Thu, 19 Jul 2007 22:05:43 +0200 (CEST) Subject: [aether] RE : Thoughts, and a riddle In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <832096.17666.qm {a+} web26602.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> I feel the same think to synchronize more for this performance the timing missed to developp more clearly differents parts of events with sounds so events-images are important to open the live i mean about time-image (image-temps/ Deleuze) thanks to this performance.. have been a pleasure this mutual time divided cheers Nathalie --- The League of Imaginary Scientists a ?crit : > Quick thoughts! > > I think this project in Bulgaria is a bit of a > riddle - the script and > performance - figure out as you go - > search/consume/share. The first aether > project with its highly developed storyline, > pseudo-science and mythological > themes still holds the most for me... It was quite > fun to do, and I think > it is because of the intensive scripting - even > though this made it more > challenging. > > I like the subject/object- consumerism theme for > this unnamed last piece, > but I think timing is essential. Coordination of > objects moved from frame > to frame, etc. Perhaps we are all in our own space > time bubbles - we are > still quite disconnected during these performances, > and I think a live audio > conference between us would help us to synchronize, > as well as get to know > one another. > > Instead of a new theme for each new project - > perhaps we could return to > this study of an object, of coordination, of passing > items through the frame > and communicating more "physically" with one other? > Boris had called for us > to simplify, I think... With very little setup or > concept - just play > catch, as it were. > > Lucy/League > > > _______________________________________________ > aether mailing list > aether at [nospam] 1904.cc > http://lists.1904.cc/mailman/listinfo/aether > _____________________________________________________________________________ Ne gardez plus qu'une seule adresse mail ! Copiez vos mails vers Yahoo! Mail From ideacritik at [nospam] yahoo.ca Fri Jul 20 01:33:00 2007 From: ideacritik at [nospam] yahoo.ca (::audrey::) Date: Thu, 19 Jul 2007 16:33:00 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [aether] Re : Thoughts, and a riddle Message-ID: <967959.88646.qm {a+} web50208.mail.re2.yahoo.com> >Perhaps we are all in our own space time bubbles - we are still quite disconnected during these performances this is indeed something i noticed more than ever this time as we had talked about exchange between frames and i didn't manage to do so at all even though i stopped the camera at times to 'watch' ... i couldn't connect. i felt as if i was playing by myself in a schoolyard. i find this a pity as well as a weakness, to outsiders i still appears a bunch of mess rather than some sort of coordinated effort/narrative/collaboration. i feel that networked performance does not make sense if there is no real interaction between the members of the network. >Instead of a new theme for each new project - perhaps we could return to this study of an object, of coordination, of passing items through the frame and communicating more "physically" with one other? i couldn't agree more. cym and i brought this up to i believe in the last chat session. i believe the time is for refinement of strongest ideas after a period of experimentation. ideacritik... >> Combattez les m?chants pourriels... 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URL: http://lists.1904.cc/pipermail/aether/attachments/20070719/c4e5daff/attachment.html From cymnet at [nospam] gmail.com Fri Jul 20 11:08:06 2007 From: cymnet at [nospam] gmail.com (cym net) Date: Fri, 20 Jul 2007 11:08:06 +0200 Subject: [aether] Re : Thoughts, and a riddle In-Reply-To: <967959.88646.qm {a+} web50208.mail.re2.yahoo.com> References: <967959.88646.qm {a+} web50208.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <95c795f70707200208t17db7ebej2fe618c63b777668 {a+} mail.gmail.com> hello all, i completely agree with you. i was quite lost with the script last night. i would prefer to work on developing one script/story board, and use it for each performance. until we know it, until we are really comfortable with the basic story line, so that we can start to improvise. the script of the very first performance was good. we need to perform this script many more times to get it synchronized, but then it can become very interesting. and it will leave us space for improvisation. personally, i like to see aether 9 as a band that is playing live concerts. (or a theatre group that is doing theatre shows, but for me it is easier to compare it to a band) a band has a set of songs that they perform live. they practise the songs until they know them and can play them on the stage. they have a set of material and can change the set/order a little for each performance, and also create moments in the performance that leave space for improvisation. but still the basic structure is very clear for each band member. and at the same time it doesn't get boring to perform the same songs/compositions (or same theatre play) again and again. maybe it would be easier if we create some shorter 5-10 min compositions/actions and practise each part seperately. and then we perform for example 3 compositions during a live performance. i think this way it will be easier for us to act in the same part at the same moment, even if the performance is quite long, like 40 mins. also i would like to seperate technics and content a bit more. the technical part, the stream setup, sound, webcams, should be working before the performance starts. and then just leave the settings how it is. as soon as the performance starts we should all be able to focus on the content, on the story. as long as we are working on technical details at the same time it will always be a bit messy. it would be nice to perform the very first aether 9 story again. the hero that becomes the aether. and i realize that i like the live-element. it was nice that first time that we were all writing messages on a piece of paper and hold it in front of the camera. it is a very simple but very nice way to communicate. cym On 7/20/07, ::audrey:: wrote: > > > > > >Perhaps we are all in our own space time bubbles - we are > still quite disconnected during these performances > > this is indeed something i noticed more than ever this time as we had talked > about exchange between frames and i didn't manage to do so at all even > though i stopped the camera at times to 'watch' ... i couldn't connect. i > felt as if i was playing by myself in a schoolyard. i find this a pity as > well as a weakness, to outsiders i still appears a bunch of mess rather than > some sort of coordinated effort/narrative/collaboration. i feel that > networked performance does not make sense if there is no real interaction > between the members of the network. > > > >Instead of a new theme for each new project - perhaps we could return to > this study of an object, of coordination, of passing items through the frame > and communicating more "physically" with one other? > > i couldn't agree more. cym and i brought this up to i believe in the last > chat session. i believe the time is for refinement of strongest ideas after > a period of experimentation. > > > ideacritik... >> > > > > > ________________________________ > Obtenez des r?ponses ? vos questions ! Profitez des connaissances et des > opinions des internautes sur Yahoo! Questions/R?ponses. > _______________________________________________ > aether mailing list > aether at [nospam] 1904.cc > http://lists.1904.cc/mailman/listinfo/aether > > From knickerbockerjuju at [nospam] yahoo.com Fri Jul 20 20:50:56 2007 From: knickerbockerjuju at [nospam] yahoo.com (Judy Nylon) Date: Fri, 20 Jul 2007 11:50:56 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [aether] Re : Thoughts, and a riddle In-Reply-To: <95c795f70707200208t17db7ebej2fe618c63b777668 {a+} mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <498959.19224.qm {a+} web62310.mail.re1.yahoo.com> While I missed this performance 'live' (had to sleep by 5:30AM PST) I could foresee the problems that would be encountered as delineated below in Cym & Ideacritk's posts. I agree entirely with this summation. I would add that a fixed consensus of what software we are using (keeping with our low/no cost easy access model for the whole project) and an overview of the tech limits, within which we can create content, would be great. Perhaps a text on this set-up, written by those/someone whose expertise is in this area, could be posted on the Aether site (I know I'd have to read it a million times for it to sink in!). I sometimes need to go back and read conversations about the tech end of this project and decode that which is unfamiliar to me. My computer skills are I think much less/lower than others here; and without knowing ahead of time what I will need to know, I am always playing catch-up. Curiously, this makes me much less anxious than when i was 'force learning' analog production sound skills so many years ago. I like to think of what we are doing as a band too. Rehearsing pieces/scripts as modular pieces until we flow with them is really necessary; otherwise it is the AV equivalent of uneven prog jazz jams that we will be doing. The band model feeds nicely into my area of knowledge. At some point someone suggested that we try to get to know each other a bit better. Because i come out of the music biz, quite a bit of my life is readable on line, but I don't find anyone else so revealed. I would like to know more of what others do/live/where/how/know about. Further to this, I do have access to things that might be interesting here because I have been performing/recording before...and have experienced the workings of publicity....if I could just figure out WHAT would be useful here. I do look forward to working on the sound layers, prerecorded ambient and compositionally. I am not musically literate but have been playing around with samples a long time and have that undefinable 'bodyenglish' that would be 'tendance'. I also offer to edit any writing we put out in English as I have been a writer for years. These skills, for whatever they are worth, I throw into the pot. What i need from elsewhere to be able to effectively contribute here is a bit of guidance in my computer skills. So far I have done a number of things for the first time within the context of Aether. It is no problem and in fact a relief not to be reliant on others in a studio situation/with unions and management. While I am not shy to ask for help; the time difference makes it difficult working with a sudden deadline. I sought out Aether to join after writing something myself in a published essay acknowledging that although I at one time used to see Moog, Cage etc etc and I was familiar with their work, I did not get what I needed from them artistically because there was no experiantial conversation between generations. It is a good time to address that comfortably because we are long distance performers. My personal life is perhaps complicated and messy, but the arena in which Aether performs is separate, purely creative. The reviews of process and beta testing and theory..... All this is crucial . Judy cym net wrote: hello all, i completely agree with you. i was quite lost with the script last night. i would prefer to work on developing one script/story board, and use it for each performance. until we know it, until we are really comfortable with the basic story line, so that we can start to improvise. the script of the very first performance was good. we need to perform this script many more times to get it synchronized, but then it can become very interesting. and it will leave us space for improvisation. personally, i like to see aether 9 as a band that is playing live concerts. (or a theatre group that is doing theatre shows, but for me it is easier to compare it to a band) a band has a set of songs that they perform live. they practise the songs until they know them and can play them on the stage. they have a set of material and can change the set/order a little for each performance, and also create moments in the performance that leave space for improvisation. but still the basic structure is very clear for each band member. and at the same time it doesn't get boring to perform the same songs/compositions (or same theatre play) again and again. maybe it would be easier if we create some shorter 5-10 min compositions/actions and practise each part seperately. and then we perform for example 3 compositions during a live performance. i think this way it will be easier for us to act in the same part at the same moment, even if the performance is quite long, like 40 mins. also i would like to seperate technics and content a bit more. the technical part, the stream setup, sound, webcams, should be working before the performance starts. and then just leave the settings how it is. as soon as the performance starts we should all be able to focus on the content, on the story. as long as we are working on technical details at the same time it will always be a bit messy. it would be nice to perform the very first aether 9 story again. the hero that becomes the aether. and i realize that i like the live-element. it was nice that first time that we were all writing messages on a piece of paper and hold it in front of the camera. it is a very simple but very nice way to communicate. cym On 7/20/07, ::audrey:: wrote: > > > > > >Perhaps we are all in our own space time bubbles - we are > still quite disconnected during these performances > > this is indeed something i noticed more than ever this time as we had talked > about exchange between frames and i didn't manage to do so at all even > though i stopped the camera at times to 'watch' ... i couldn't connect. i > felt as if i was playing by myself in a schoolyard. i find this a pity as > well as a weakness, to outsiders i still appears a bunch of mess rather than > some sort of coordinated effort/narrative/collaboration. i feel that > networked performance does not make sense if there is no real interaction > between the members of the network. > > > >Instead of a new theme for each new project - perhaps we could return to > this study of an object, of coordination, of passing items through the frame > and communicating more "physically" with one other? > > i couldn't agree more. cym and i brought this up to i believe in the last > chat session. i believe the time is for refinement of strongest ideas after > a period of experimentation. > > > ideacritik... >> > > > > > ________________________________ > Obtenez des r?ponses ? vos questions ! Profitez des connaissances et des > opinions des internautes sur Yahoo! Questions/R?ponses. > _______________________________________________ > aether mailing list > aether at [nospam] 1904.cc > http://lists.1904.cc/mailman/listinfo/aether > > _______________________________________________ aether mailing list aether at [nospam] 1904.cc http://lists.1904.cc/mailman/listinfo/aether --------------------------------- Moody friends. Drama queens. Your life? Nope! - their life, your story. Play Sims Stories at [nospam] yahoo! Games. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.1904.cc/pipermail/aether/attachments/20070720/d0758f47/attachment.html From nova at [nospam] viator.si Sat Jul 21 00:20:06 2007 From: nova at [nospam] viator.si (Luka Princic / Nova Viator) Date: Sat, 21 Jul 2007 00:20:06 +0200 Subject: [aether] Re : Thoughts, and a riddle In-Reply-To: <498959.19224.qm {a+} web62310.mail.re1.yahoo.com> References: <95c795f70707200208t17db7ebej2fe618c63b777668 {a+} mail.gmail.com> <498959.19224.qm {a+} web62310.mail.re1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <20070721002006.db2b079c.nova {a+} viator.si> very good points all around, i think. i don't know if i have anything to contribute theoreticaly here although i find it very interesting how things are evolving around here. i'm also challanged by the notion of a connection that is not a technically enabled connection. what i mean here is that in my time of work (i met with the internet at about 97 and worked on this or the other way ever since) there has been an increasingly more visible problem of transfer / translation of certain connections between people, which, if they didn't exist, things didn't really work. i'm addressing the idea of a band here, maybe, or simply the fact that so many online projects have some kind of basis or at least some of the connection in real-life. or just the fact that i was able to think and work within a project that was facilitated online if i was also understanding the feeling of people involved in 'meat space'... anyway, i feel there is certain beauty (if i may use such a term here) in the efforts and connections that are happening here, and during the performances. also concerning the technical aspects, i think it's hard to unify technical aspects here. i guess the max patch works only for people on mac? or does it also for windows owners. there's minority that likes linux too, no? and pure data is not a simple setup with all the dependecies. and i believe it's important to solidify some aspects of performance and concentrate on some issues, methods, approaches ... my outcome from the last performance was that i realized png doesn't have a compression per se really, and that png files are rather big sometimes. but i have also found a simple tool/method to make those files smaller - pngquant, which works by reducing the number of colors. so we can continue testing with pngs. i'm also learning a lot about group performance and how things are bringing people closer together. the people who are performing, and the notions of distance and global and speed and time and place and space. i wish i had more theoretical tools to explain more precisely what i mean. but poetics can be also quite telling. i will/can work on a pd patch and linux-enabled approaches to aether9. love, luka On Fri, 20 Jul 2007 11:50:56 -0700 (PDT) Judy Nylon wrote: > While I missed this performance 'live' (had to sleep by 5:30AM PST) I could foresee the problems that would be encountered as delineated below in Cym & Ideacritk's posts. I agree entirely with this summation. I would add that a fixed consensus of what software we are using (keeping with our low/no cost easy access model for the whole project) and an overview of the tech limits, within which we can create content, would be great. Perhaps a text on this set-up, written by those/someone whose expertise is in this area, could be posted on the Aether site (I know I'd have to read it a million times for it to sink in!). I sometimes need to go back and read conversations about the tech end of this project and decode that which is unfamiliar to me. > > My computer skills are I think much less/lower than others here; and without knowing ahead of time what I will need to know, I am always playing catch-up. Curiously, this makes me much less anxious than when i was 'force learning' analog production sound skills so many years ago. > > I like to think of what we are doing as a band too. Rehearsing pieces/scripts as modular pieces until we flow with them is really necessary; otherwise it is the AV equivalent of uneven prog jazz jams that we will be doing. The band model feeds nicely into my area of knowledge. At some point someone suggested that we try to get to know each other a bit better. Because i come out of the music biz, quite a bit of my life is readable on line, but I don't find anyone else so revealed. I would like to know more of what others do/live/where/how/know about. > > Further to this, I do have access to things that might be interesting here because I have been performing/recording before...and have experienced the workings of publicity....if I could just figure out WHAT would be useful here. I do look forward to working on the sound layers, prerecorded ambient and compositionally. I am not musically literate but have been playing around with samples a long time and have that undefinable 'bodyenglish' that would be 'tendance'. I also offer to edit any writing we put out in English as I have been a writer for years. These skills, for whatever they are worth, I throw into the pot. What i need from elsewhere to be able to effectively contribute here is a bit of guidance in my computer skills. So far I have done a number of things for the first time within the context of Aether. It is no problem and in fact a relief not to be reliant on others in a studio situation/with unions and management. While I am not shy to ask for help; the time > difference makes it difficult working with a sudden deadline. > > I sought out Aether to join after writing something myself in a published essay acknowledging that although I at one time used to see Moog, Cage etc etc and I was familiar with their work, I did not get what I needed from them artistically because there was no experiantial conversation between generations. It is a good time to address that comfortably because we are long distance performers. > My personal life is perhaps complicated and messy, but the arena in which Aether performs is separate, purely creative. > > The reviews of process and beta testing and theory..... All this is crucial . > Judy > > > cym net wrote: hello all, > > i completely agree with you. i was quite lost with the script last night. > > i would prefer to work on developing one script/story board, and use > it for each performance. > until we know it, until we are really comfortable with the basic story > line, so that we can start to improvise. the script of the very first > performance was good. we need to perform this script many more times > to get it synchronized, but then it can become very interesting. and > it will leave us space for improvisation. > > personally, i like to see aether 9 as a band that is playing live > concerts. (or a theatre group that is doing theatre shows, but for me > it is easier to compare it to a band) > a band has a set of songs that they perform live. they practise the > songs until they know them and can play them on the stage. they have a > set of material and can change the set/order a little for each > performance, and also create moments in the performance that leave > space for improvisation. but still the basic structure is very clear > for each band member. and at the same time it doesn't get boring to > perform the same songs/compositions (or same theatre play) again and > again. > > maybe it would be easier if we create some shorter 5-10 min > compositions/actions and practise each part seperately. and then we > perform for example 3 compositions during a live performance. i think > this way it will be easier for us to act in the same part at the same > moment, even if the performance is quite long, like 40 mins. > > also i would like to seperate technics and content a bit more. the > technical part, the stream setup, sound, webcams, should be working > before the performance starts. and then just leave the settings how it > is. as soon as the performance starts we should all be able to focus > on the content, on the story. as long as we are working on technical > details at the same time it will always be a bit messy. > > it would be nice to perform the very first aether 9 story again. > the hero that becomes the aether. > and i realize that i like the live-element. it was nice that first > time that we were all writing messages on a piece of paper and hold it > in front of the camera. it is a very simple but very nice way to > communicate. > > cym > > > > On 7/20/07, ::audrey:: wrote: > > > > > > > > > > >Perhaps we are all in our own space time bubbles - we are > > still quite disconnected during these performances > > > > this is indeed something i noticed more than ever this time as we had talked > > about exchange between frames and i didn't manage to do so at all even > > though i stopped the camera at times to 'watch' ... i couldn't connect. i > > felt as if i was playing by myself in a schoolyard. i find this a pity as > > well as a weakness, to outsiders i still appears a bunch of mess rather than > > some sort of coordinated effort/narrative/collaboration. i feel that > > networked performance does not make sense if there is no real interaction > > between the members of the network. > > > > > > >Instead of a new theme for each new project - perhaps we could return to > > this study of an object, of coordination, of passing items through the frame > > and communicating more "physically" with one other? > > > > i couldn't agree more. cym and i brought this up to i believe in the last > > chat session. i believe the time is for refinement of strongest ideas after > > a period of experimentation. > > > > > > ideacritik... >> > > > > > > > > > > ________________________________ > > Obtenez des r?ponses ? vos questions ! Profitez des connaissances et des > > opinions des internautes sur Yahoo! Questions/R?ponses. > > _______________________________________________ > > aether mailing list > > aether at [nospam] 1904.cc > > http://lists.1904.cc/mailman/listinfo/aether > > > > > _______________________________________________ > aether mailing list > aether at [nospam] 1904.cc > http://lists.1904.cc/mailman/listinfo/aether > > > > --------------------------------- > Moody friends. Drama queens. Your life? Nope! - their life, your story. > Play Sims Stories at [nospam] yahoo! Games. -- How sharper than a hound's tooth it is to have a thankless serpent. + http://viator.si From theleague at [nospam] imaginaryscience.org Mon Jul 23 18:40:19 2007 From: theleague at [nospam] imaginaryscience.org (The League of Imaginary Scientists) Date: Mon, 23 Jul 2007 18:40:19 +0200 Subject: [aether] Re : Thoughts, and a riddle In-Reply-To: <498959.19224.qm {a+} web62310.mail.re1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: Judy, you may want to download ftp software ? which is really the easiest way to upload for webcam ? I?m using evocam to send from live video and it works quite well. There?s a 15 day trial period, which you can extend by deleting the com.evological.evocam.plist file from the preferences folder in the library (mac). LUCY On 7/20/07 8:50 PM, "Judy Nylon" wrote: > While I missed this performance 'live' (had to sleep by 5:30AM PST) I could > foresee the problems that would be encountered as delineated below in Cym & > Ideacritk's posts. I agree entirely with this summation. I would add that a > fixed consensus of what software we are using (keeping with our low/no cost > easy access model for the whole project) and an overview of the tech limits, > within which we can create content, would be great. Perhaps a text on this > set-up, written by those/someone whose expertise is in this area, could be > posted on the Aether site (I know I'd have to read it a million times for it > to sink in!). I sometimes need to go back and read conversations about the > tech end of this project and decode that which is unfamiliar to me. > > My computer skills are I think much less/lower than others here; and without > knowing ahead of time what I will need to know, I am always playing catch-up. > Curiously, this makes me much less anxious than when i was 'force learning' > analog production sound skills so many years ago. > > I like to think of what we are doing as a band too. Rehearsing pieces/scripts > as modular pieces until we flow with them is really necessary; otherwise it is > the AV equivalent of uneven prog jazz jams that we will be doing. The band > model feeds nicely into my area of knowledge. At some point someone suggested > that we try to get to know each other a bit better. Because i come out of the > music biz, quite a bit of my life is readable on line, but I don't find anyone > else so revealed. I would like to know more of what others > do/live/where/how/know about. > > Further to this, I do have access to things that might be interesting here > because I have been performing/recording before...and have experienced the > workings of publicity....if I could just figure out WHAT would be useful here. > I do look forward to working on the sound layers, prerecorded ambient and > compositionally. I am not musically literate but have been playing around with > samples a long time and have that undefinable 'bodyenglish' that would be > 'tendance'. I also offer to edit any writing we put out in English as I have > been a writer for years. These skills, for whatever they are worth, I throw > into the pot. What i need from elsewhere to be able to effectively contribute > here is a bit of guidance in my computer skills. So far I have done a number > of things for the first time within the context of Aether. It is no problem > and in fact a relief not to be reliant on others in a studio situation/with > unions and management. While I am not shy to ask for help; the time difference > makes it difficult working with a sudden deadline. > > I sought out Aether to join after writing something myself in a published > essay acknowledging that although I at one time used to see Moog, Cage etc etc > and I was familiar with their work, I did not get what I needed from them > artistically because there was no experiantial conversation between > generations. It is a good time to address that comfortably because we are long > distance performers. > My personal life is perhaps complicated and messy, but the arena in which > Aether performs is separate, purely creative. > > The reviews of process and beta testing and theory..... All this is crucial . > Judy > > > cym net wrote: >> hello all, >> >> i completely agree with you. i was quite lost with the script last night. >> >> i would prefer to work on developing one script/story board, and use >> it for each performance. >> until we know it, until we are really comfortable with the basic story >> line, so that we can start to improvise. the script of the very first >> performance was good. we need to perform this script many more times >> to get it synchronized, but then it can become very interesting. and >> it will leave us space for improvisation. >> >> personally, i like to see aether 9 as a band that is playing live >> concerts. (or a theatre group that is doing theatre shows, but for me >> it is easier to compare it to a band) >> a band has a set of songs that they perform live. they practise the >> songs until they know them and can play them on the stage. they have a >> set of material and can change the set/order a little for each >> performance, and also create moments in the performance that leave >> space for improvisation. but still the basic structure is very clear >> for each band member. and at the same time it doesn't get boring to >> perform the same songs/compositions (or same theatre play) again and >> again. >> >> maybe it would be easier if we create some shorter 5-10 min >> compositions/actions and practise each part seperately. and then we >> perform for example 3 compositions during a live performance. i think >> this way it will be easier for us to act in the same part at the same >> moment, even if the performance is quite long, like 40 mins. >> >> also i would like to seperate technics and content a bit more. the >> technical part, the stream setup, sound, webcams, should be working >> before the performance starts. and then just leave the settings how it >> is. as soon as the performance starts we should all be able to focus >> on the content, on the story. as long as we are working on technical >> details at the same time it will always be a bit messy. >> >> it would be nice to perform the very first aether 9 story again. >> the hero that becomes the aether. >> and i realize that i like the live-element. it was nice that first >> time that we were all writing messages on a piece of paper and hold it >> in front of the camera. it is a very simple but very nice way to >> communicate. >> >> cym >> >> >> >> On 7/20/07, ::audrey:: wrote: >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>>> > >Perhaps we are all in our own space time bubbles - we are >>> > still quite disconnected during these performances >>> > >>> > this is indeed something i noticed more than ever this time as we had >>> talked >>> > about exchange between frames and i didn't manage to do so at all even >>> > though i stopped the camera at times to 'watch' ... i couldn't connect. i >>> > felt as if i was playing by myself in a schoolyard. i find this a pity as >>> > well as a weakness, to outsiders i still appears a bunch of mess rather >>> than >>> > some sort of coordinated effort/narrative/collaboration. i feel that >>> > networked performance does not make sense if there is no real interaction >>> > between the members of the network. >>> > >>> > >>>> > >Instead of a new theme for each new project - perhaps we could return to >>> > this study of an object, of coordination, of passing items through the >>> frame >>> > and communicating more "physically" with one other? >>> > >>> > i couldn't agree more. cym and i brought this up to i believe in the last >>> > chat session. i believe the time is for refinement of strongest ideas >>> after >>> > a period of experimentation. >>> > >>> > >>> > ideacritik... >> >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > ________________________________ >>> > Obtenez des r?ponses ? vos questions ! 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LUCY On 7/20/07 8:50 PM, "Judy Nylon" wrote: While I missed this performance 'live' (had to sleep by 5:30AM PST) I could foresee the problems that would be encountered as delineated below in Cym & Ideacritk's posts. I agree entirely with this summation. I would add that a fixed consensus of what software we are using (keeping with our low/no cost easy access model for the whole project) and an overview of the tech limits, within which we can create content, would be great. Perhaps a text on this set-up, written by those/someone whose expertise is in this area, could be posted on the Aether site (I know I'd have to read it a million times for it to sink in!). I sometimes need to go back and read conversations about the tech end of this project and decode that which is unfamiliar to me. My computer skills are I think much less/lower than others here; and without knowing ahead of time what I will need to know, I am always playing catch-up. Curiously, this makes me much less anxious than when i was 'force learning' analog production sound skills so many years ago. I like to think of what we are doing as a band too. Rehearsing pieces/scripts as modular pieces until we flow with them is really necessary; otherwise it is the AV equivalent of uneven prog jazz jams that we will be doing. The band model feeds nicely into my area of knowledge. At some point someone suggested that we try to get to know each other a bit better. Because i come out of the music biz, quite a bit of my life is readable on line, but I don't find anyone else so revealed. I would like to know more of what others do/live/where/how/know about. Further to this, I do have access to things that might be interesting here because I have been performing/recording before...and have experienced the workings of publicity....if I could just figure out WHAT would be useful here. I do look forward to working on the sound layers, prerecorded ambient and compositionally. I am not musically literate but have been playing around with samples a long time and have that undefinable 'bodyenglish' that would be 'tendance'. I also offer to edit any writing we put out in English as I have been a writer for years. These skills, for whatever they are worth, I throw into the pot. What i need from elsewhere to be able to effectively contribute here is a bit of guidance in my computer skills. So far I have done a number of things for the first time within the context of Aether. It is no problem and in fact a relief not to be reliant on others in a studio situation/with unions and management. While I am not shy to ask for help; the time difference makes it difficult working with a sudden deadline. I sought out Aether to join after writing something myself in a published essay acknowledging that although I at one time used to see Moog, Cage etc etc and I was familiar with their work, I did not get what I needed from them artistically because there was no experiantial conversation between generations. It is a good time to address that comfortably because we are long distance performers. My personal life is perhaps complicated and messy, but the arena in which Aether performs is separate, purely creative. The reviews of process and beta testing and theory..... All this is crucial . Judy cym net wrote: hello all, i completely agree with you. i was quite lost with the script last night. i would prefer to work on developing one script/story board, and use it for each performance. until we know it, until we are really comfortable with the basic story line, so that we can start to improvise. the script of the very first performance was good. we need to perform this script many more times to get it synchronized, but then it can become very interesting. and it will leave us space for improvisation. personally, i like to see aether 9 as a band that is playing live concerts. (or a theatre group that is doing theatre shows, but for me it is easier to compare it to a band) a band has a set of songs that they perform live. they practise the songs until they know them and can play them on the stage. they have a set of material and can change the set/order a little for each performance, and also create moments in the performance that leave space for improvisation. but still the basic structure is very clear for each band member. and at the same time it doesn't get boring to perform the same songs/compositions (or same theatre play) again and again. maybe it would be easier if we create some shorter 5-10 min compositions/actions and practise each part seperately. and then we perform for example 3 compositions during a live performance. i think this way it will be easier for us to act in the same part at the same moment, even if the performance is quite long, like 40 mins. also i would like to seperate technics and content a bit more. the technical part, the stream setup, sound, webcams, should be working before the performance starts. and then just leave the settings how it is. as soon as the performance starts we should all be able to focus on the content, on the story. as long as we are working on technical details at the same time it will always be a bit messy. it would be nice to perform the very first aether 9 story again. the hero that becomes the aether. and i realize that i like the live-element. it was nice that first time that we were all writing messages on a piece of paper and hold it in front of the camera. it is a very simple but very nice way to communicate. cym On 7/20/07, ::audrey:: wrote: > > > > > >Perhaps we are all in our own space time bubbles - we are > still quite disconnected during these performances > > this is indeed something i noticed more than ever this time as we had talked > about exchange between frames and i didn't manage to do so at all even > though i stopped the camera at times to 'watch' ... i couldn't connect. i > felt as if i was playing by myself in a schoolyard. i find this a pity as > well as a weakness, to outsiders i still appears a bunch of mess rather than > some sort of coordinated effort/narrative/collaboration. i feel that > networked performance does not make sense if there is no real interaction > between the members of the network. > > > >Instead of a new theme for each new project - perhaps we could return to > this study of an object, of coordination, of passing items through the frame > and communicating more "physically" with one other? > > i couldn't agree more. cym and i brought this up to i believe in the last > chat session. i believe the time is for refinement of strongest ideas after > a period of experimentation. > > > ideacritik... >> > > > > > ________________________________ > Obtenez des r?ponses ? vos questions ! 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I?m using evocam to send from live video and it works quite well. There?s a 15 day trial period, which you can extend by deleting the com.evological.evocam.plist file from the preferences folder in the library (mac). LUCY On 7/20/07 8:50 PM, "Judy Nylon" wrote: While I missed this performance 'live' (had to sleep by 5:30AM PST) I could foresee the problems that would be encountered as delineated below in Cym & Ideacritk's posts. I agree entirely with this summation. I would add that a fixed consensus of what software we are using (keeping with our low/no cost easy access model for the whole project) and an overview of the tech limits, within which we can create content, would be great. Perhaps a text on this set-up, written by those/someone whose expertise is in this area, could be posted on the Aether site (I know I'd have to read it a million times for it to sink in!). I sometimes need to go back and read conversations about the tech end of this project and decode that which is unfamiliar to me. My computer skills are I think much less/lower than others here; and without knowing ahead of time what I will need to know, I am always playing catch-up. Curiously, this makes me much less anxious than when i was 'force learning' analog production sound skills so many years ago. I like to think of what we are doing as a band too. Rehearsing pieces/scripts as modular pieces until we flow with them is really necessary; otherwise it is the AV equivalent of uneven prog jazz jams that we will be doing. The band model feeds nicely into my area of knowledge. At some point someone suggested that we try to get to know each other a bit better. Because i come out of the music biz, quite a bit of my life is readable on line, but I don't find anyone else so revealed. I would like to know more of what others do/live/where/how/know about. Further to this, I do have access to things that might be interesting here because I have been performing/recording before...and have experienced the workings of publicity....if I could just figure out WHAT would be useful here. I do look forward to working on the sound layers, prerecorded ambient and compositionally. I am not musically literate but have been playing around with samples a long time and have that undefinable 'bodyenglish' that would be 'tendance'. I also offer to edit any writing we put out in English as I have been a writer for years. These skills, for whatever they are worth, I throw into the pot. What i need from elsewhere to be able to effectively contribute here is a bit of guidance in my computer skills. So far I have done a number of things for the first time within the context of Aether. It is no problem and in fact a relief not to be reliant on others in a studio situation/with unions and management. While I am not shy to ask for help; the time difference makes it difficult working with a sudden deadline. I sought out Aether to join after writing something myself in a published essay acknowledging that although I at one time used to see Moog, Cage etc etc and I was familiar with their work, I did not get what I needed from them artistically because there was no experiantial conversation between generations. It is a good time to address that comfortably because we are long distance performers. My personal life is perhaps complicated and messy, but the arena in which Aether performs is separate, purely creative. The reviews of process and beta testing and theory..... All this is crucial . Judy cym net wrote: hello all, i completely agree with you. i was quite lost with the script last night. i would prefer to work on developing one script/story board, and use it for each performance. until we know it, until we are really comfortable with the basic story line, so that we can start to improvise. the script of the very first performance was good. we need to perform this script many more times to get it synchronized, but then it can become very interesting. and it will leave us space for improvisation. personally, i like to see aether 9 as a band that is playing live concerts. (or a theatre group that is doing theatre shows, but for me it is easier to compare it to a band) a band has a set of songs that they perform live. they practise the songs until they know them and can play them on the stage. they have a set of material and can change the set/order a little for each performance, and also create moments in the performance that leave space for improvisation. but still the basic structure is very clear for each band member. and at the same time it doesn't get boring to perform the same songs/compositions (or same theatre play) again and again. maybe it would be easier if we create some shorter 5-10 min compositions/actions and practise each part seperately. and then we perform for example 3 compositions during a live performance. i think this way it will be easier for us to act in the same part at the same moment, even if the performance is quite long, like 40 mins. also i would like to seperate technics and content a bit more. the technical part, the stream setup, sound, webcams, should be working before the performance starts. and then just leave the settings how it is. as soon as the performance starts we should all be able to focus on the content, on the story. as long as we are working on technical details at the same time it will always be a bit messy. it would be nice to perform the very first aether 9 story again. the hero that becomes the aether. and i realize that i like the live-element. it was nice that first time that we were all writing messages on a piece of paper and hold it in front of the camera. it is a very simple but very nice way to communicate. cym On 7/20/07, ::audrey:: wrote: > > > > > >Perhaps we are all in our own space time bubbles - we are > still quite disconnected during these performances > > this is indeed something i noticed more than ever this time as we had talked > about exchange between frames and i didn't manage to do so at all even > though i stopped the camera at times to 'watch' ... i couldn't connect. i > felt as if i was playing by myself in a schoolyard. i find this a pity as > well as a weakness, to outsiders i still appears a bunch of mess rather than > some sort of coordinated effort/narrative/collaboration. i feel that > networked performance does not make sense if there is no real interaction > between the members of the network. > > > >Instead of a new theme for each new project - perhaps we could return to > this study of an object, of coordination, of passing items through the frame > and communicating more "physically" with one other? > > i couldn't agree more. cym and i brought this up to i believe in the last > chat session. i believe the time is for refinement of strongest ideas after > a period of experimentation. > > > ideacritik... >> > > > > > ________________________________ > Obtenez des r?ponses ? vos questions ! 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With sound for example I asked what window to follow during the performance? And finish to be not clear with live.. Now I thought an object to follow window to other window: for example a mutation of the same object transformed by passage between follows.. Now, how practice correctly this scenario? How to definite the tempo or time with that? How communicate that this object'll be able to go in other follow? And sound can be this action of mutation object (several precise actions recorded -or in live- and mix in live..?)! How many actions can be find and do to realise a specific action with this object transformed by our action like a tracability of this object in our hands,tracability images et coordinate interactions between us, etc.. .. a few thoughts Natali --- : audrey: : Mon Jul 23 22: 06: 24 at [nospam] yahoo.com, UNEXPECTED_DATA_AFTER_ADDRESS_IN_GROUP at .SYNTAX-ERROR.;;;;;, "::audrey::" a ?crit : > in response to 'getting to know each other' - as i > also see this as a crucial element in a > collaborative performance. especially since we > cannot for the most part meet each other physically, > small tidbits of knowledge become the extent of what > we know about each other. these tiny tidbits are > therefore also the only thing we have to go on in so > far as expectation or imagination of how the other > will act during a performance. in our excitement > over 'the patches', have we perhaps overlooked that > we must not only play, but play together? the person > who 'assisted' me last performance was amazed at how > little attention we payed to each others > performances, 6 little autisms neatly assembled on a > page. perhaps getting to know each other, even if > only through these unsatisfactory mediums, is a > start towards an aether9 embodied performance as > opposed to several individuals operating in the same > screen though otherwise seemingly detached. > > i was lucky enough to meet cym last week in austria > as well as to attend the workshop in geneva where i > of course met manu/aether9, alejo and others who are > more or less inactive for the moment. i am based in > rotterdam. i've just finished my MA in media design. > my thesis is about the interaction/affect between > media and our mourning process, and how we perceive > death. as in many of my endeavors, i interviewed > many people about this very idea and incorporated > their accounts into my final project/thesis. i am > explaining this only because my somewhat > anthropological methodology outlines one of my main > interests in this group; how do remote performers > work together, communicate, make decisions, > disagree, in short, form a group. the limitations of > our communication media form a particular set of > 'constraints' which inherently shape our performance > together. perhaps my use of the word constraints is > not just because it is usually derogatory. i see > these > constraints as borders from which to work with, in > the same light as our 'low-tech one frame per > second' refresh speed. i do not wish the frames to > load quicker or to attain the perfect resolution. i > prefer to take on this dimension and exploit it, in > all its 'dramaturgical' glory. in the same way, i > think we should exploit our 'thwarted' methods of > communication. we often throw together a script at > the last moment and more or less blindly perform all > together without knowing what each other is doing. > could we take this on as some sort of methodology? > could this be made explicit as a performance tool? > in this vein, i can imagine that we use simple > 'unification' props such as text (which we have yet > to integrate successfully but in which i have > confidence). these props could be constant during > each performance, and this aspect would be > practiced, but the rest could be 'off the cuff' or > improvised as usual. as cym noted, using text, > written on a piece of > paper as we did in the first performance, was > really nice. this is an idea which i feel is a > beautiful metaphor for our communication together if > it is used to communicate between frames during a > performance. i imagine inmates passing each other > notes between jailcells, all being watched on > simultaneously by the jailguard on nine tiny screens > hooked up to those surveillance cameras. we use the > technology but we still attempt to communicate with > paper and pen... this could be a constant which we > can rehearse... for example. > > i hope this hasn't been too much of a digression to > describe my feeling/desire to incorporate our > communication process implicitly in our performances > as well as to keep some things constant in order to > refine our practice, focus our experiments. > > audrey/ideacritik > > > ----- Message initial ---- > De : The League of Imaginary Scientists > > ? : //// collaborative networked performance //// > > Envoy? le : lundi 23 juillet 2007, 18 h 40 min 19 s > Objet : Re: [aether] Re : Thoughts, and a riddle > > Re: [aether] Re : Thoughts, and a riddle > > > > Judy, you may want to download ftp software ? which > is really the easiest way to upload for webcam ? I?m > using evocam to send from live video and it works > quite well. There?s a 15 day trial period, which > you can extend by deleting the > com.evological.evocam.plist file from the > preferences folder in the library (mac). > > > > LUCY > > > > On 7/20/07 8:50 PM, "Judy Nylon" > wrote: > > > > While I missed this performance 'live' (had to sleep > by 5:30AM PST) I could foresee the problems that > would be encountered as delineated below in Cym & > Ideacritk's posts. I agree entirely with this > summation. I would add that a fixed consensus of > what software we are using (keeping with our low/no > cost easy access model for the whole project) and an > overview of the tech limits, within which we can > create content, would be great. Perhaps a text on > this set-up, written by those/someone whose > expertise is in this area, could be posted on the > Aether site (I know I'd have to read it a million > times for it to sink in!). I sometimes need to go > back and read conversations about the tech end of > this project and decode that which is unfamiliar to > me. > > > > My computer skills are I think much less/lower than > others here; and without knowing ahead of time what > I will need to know, I am always playing catch-up. > Curiously, this makes me much less anxious than when > i was 'force learning' analog production sound > skills so many years ago. > > > > I like to think of what we are doing as a band too. > Rehearsing pieces/scripts as modular pieces until > we flow with them is really necessary; otherwise it > is the AV equivalent of uneven prog jazz jams that > we will be doing. The band model feeds nicely into > my area of knowledge. At some point someone > suggested that we try to get to know each other a > bit better. Because i come out of the music biz, > quite a bit of my life is readable on line, but I > don't find anyone else so revealed. I would like to > know more of what others do/live/where/how/know > about. > > > > Further to this, I do have access to things that > might be interesting here because I have been > performing/recording before...and have experienced > the workings of publicity....if I could just figure > out WHAT would be useful here. I do look forward to > working on the sound layers, prerecorded ambient and > compositionally. I am not musically literate but > have been playing around with samples a long time > and have that undefinable 'bodyenglish' that > would be 'tendance'. I also offer to edit any > writing we put out in English as I have been a > writer for years. These skills, for whatever they > are worth, I throw into the pot. What i need from > elsewhere to be able to effectively contribute here > is a bit of guidance in my computer skills. So far I > have done a number of things for the first time > within the context of Aether. It is no problem and > in fact a relief not to be reliant on others in a > studio situation/with unions and management. While I > am not shy to > ask for help; the time difference makes it > difficult working with a sudden deadline. > > > > I sought out Aether to join after writing something > myself in a published essay acknowledging that > although I at one time used to see Moog, Cage etc > etc and I was familiar with their work, I did not > get what I needed from them artistically because > there was no experiantial conversation between > generations. It is a good time to address that > comfortably because we are long distance performers. > > > My personal life is perhaps complicated and messy, > but the arena in which Aether performs is separate, > purely creative. > > > > The reviews of process and beta testing and > theory..... All this is crucial . > > Judy > > > > > > cym net wrote: > > hello all, > > > > i completely agree with you. i was quite lost with > the script last night. > > > > i would prefer to work on developing one > script/story board, and use > > it for each performance. > > until we know it, until we are really comfortable > with the basic story > > line, so that we can start to improvise. the script > of the very first > > performance was good. we need to perform this script > many more times > > to get it synchronized, but then it can become very > interesting. and > > it will leave us space for improvisation. > > > > personally, i like to see aether 9 as a band that is > playing live > > concerts. (or a theatre group that is doing theatre > shows, but for me > > it is easier to compare it to a band) > > a band has a set of songs that they perform live. > they practise the > > songs until they know them and can play them on the > stage. they have a > > set of material and can change the set/order a > little for each > > performance, and also create moments in the > performance that leave > > space for improvisation. but still the basic > structure is very clear > > for each band member. and at the same time it > doesn't get boring to > > perform the same songs/compositions (or same theatre > play) again and > > again. > > > > maybe it would be easier if we create some shorter > 5-10 min > > compositions/actions and practise each part > seperately. and then we > > perform for example 3 compositions during a live > performance. i think > > this way it will be easier for us to act in the same > part at the same > > moment, even if the performance is quite long, like > 40 mins. > > > > also i would like to seperate technics and content a > bit more. the > > technical part, the stream setup, sound, webcams, > should be working > > before the performance starts. and then just leave > the settings how it > > is. as soon as the performance starts we should all > be able to focus > > on the content, on the story. as long as we are > working on technical > > details at the same time it will always be a bit > messy. > > > > it would be nice to perform the very first aether 9 > story again. > > the hero that becomes the aether. > > and i realize that i like the live-element. it was > nice that first > > time that we were all writing messages on a piece of > paper and hold it > > in front of the camera. it is a very simple but very > nice way to > > communicate. > > > > cym > > > > > > > > On 7/20/07, ::audrey:: wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >Perhaps we are all in our own space time bubbles > - we are > > > still quite disconnected during these performances > > > > > > this is indeed something i noticed more than ever > this time as we had talked > > > about exchange between frames and i didn't manage > to do so at all even > > > though i stopped the camera at times to 'watch' > ... i couldn't connect. i > > > felt as if i was playing by myself in a > schoolyard. i find this a pity as > > > well as a weakness, to outsiders i still appears a > bunch of mess rather than > > > some sort of coordinated > effort/narrative/collaboration. i feel that > > > networked performance does not make sense if there > is no real interaction > > > between the members of the network. > > > > > > > > > >Instead of a new theme for each new project - > perhaps we could return to > > > this study of an object, of coordination, of > passing items through the frame > > > and communicating more "physically" with one > other? > > > > > > i couldn't agree more. cym and i brought this up > to i believe in the last > > > chat session. i believe the time is for refinement > of strongest ideas after > > > a period of experimentation. > > > > > > > > > ideacritik... >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ________________________________ > > > Obtenez des r?ponses ? vos questions ! Profitez > des connaissances et des > > > opinions des internautes sur Yahoo! > Questions/R?ponses. > > > _______________________________________________ > > > aether mailing list > > > aether at [nospam] 1904.cc > > > http://lists.1904.cc/mailman/listinfo/aether > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > aether mailing list > > aether at [nospam] 1904.cc > > http://lists.1904.cc/mailman/listinfo/aether > > > > > > > > Moody friends. Drama queens. Your life? Nope! - > their life, your story. > > Play Sims Stories at [nospam] yahoo! Games. > > > > _______________________________________________ > > aether mailing list > > aether at [nospam] 1904.cc > > http://lists.1904.cc/mailman/listinfo/aether > > > > > > The League of Imaginary Scientists > > > > > > > > > Faites des appels de PC ? PC dans le monde > entier ! Essayez le nouveau Yahoo! Qu?bec Messenger > avec Voix. > http://cf.messenger.yahoo.com/> _______________________________________________ > aether mailing list > aether at [nospam] 1904.cc > http://lists.1904.cc/mailman/listinfo/aether > _____________________________________________________________________________ Ne gardez plus qu'une seule adresse mail ! Copiez vos mails vers Yahoo! Mail From ideacritik at [nospam] yahoo.ca Thu Jul 26 17:34:03 2007 From: ideacritik at [nospam] yahoo.ca (::audrey::) Date: Thu, 26 Jul 2007 08:34:03 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [aether] berlin Message-ID: <414450.91603.qm {a+} web50206.mail.re2.yahoo.com> hello all, just to say that i will most probably be in berlin from august 1st-7th if anyone is in these parts would be nice to meet up. (i forget who is stationned where...) audrey|ideacritik Le tout nouveau Yahoo! Courriel. 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One that is perplexing; an enigma. message contents: 1. short reminder of the recent general comments 2. some news (project presentation in french, new HTML experiments...) 3. interesting feedback from ACM Multimedia 2007 hi all, i'm back from dortmund where i attended a highly interesting workshop on (weather-)satellite imagery interception. here in geneva the situation is tensed for the moment, the city just lost a major cultural hotspot, the 18-year-old squat Rhino which was evicted on monday afternoon by police forces. so much about the local news, now back to the aether-relevant topics: 1. INTERNAL FEEDBACK: i'm listing here the main points of the comments posted after the last performance. Lucy/League: - The first aether project still holds the most for me. - timing is essential. Coordination of objects moved from frame to frame, etc - live audio conference between us would help us to synchronize - Instead of a new theme for each new project - perhaps we could return to this study of an object, of coordination, of passing items through the frame and communicating more "physically" with one other? Nathalie: - synchronize more - develop more clearly different parts of events with sounds - Maybe we can imagine alternance between interaction and bubble world Cym: - i would prefer to work on developing one script/story board, and use it for each performance. - the script of the very first performance was good. - shorter 5-10 min compositions/actions. - the technical part should be working before the performance starts - messages on a piece of paper Audrey: - we are still quite disconnected during these performances. (...) i feel that networked performance does not make sense if there is no real interaction between the members of the network - as cym noted, using text, written on a piece of paper as we did in the first performance, was really nice - i imagine inmates passing each other notes between jailcells, all being watched on simultaneously by the jailguard on nine tiny screens hooked up to those surveillance cameras Judy: - a text on the software set-up could be posted on the Aether site - Rehearsing pieces/scripts as modular pieces until we flow with them is really necessary Luka: - problem of transfer / translation of certain connections between people - concerning the technical aspects, i think it's hard to unify technical aspects here a few comments: - i'm in favor of working, as Cym proposes, on shorter 5-10 min actions. But this doesn't solve the question of the global, main theme/concept of the performance. Also, obviously, during the last performances, we did all the preparations in a much too short time. Since for the moment no performances are scheduled, we should use that time to develop and rehearse regularly... - the text documentation for the technical/software part is slowly developing on the wiki, but still has to become more complete. - i also like the hand-written text, rather than text superimposed on the picture by software (which creates a too great distance IMO) 2. NEWS: aether9 schematics (basic aether concept unveiled) http://1904.cc/~aether/material/schema/aether9_schema03.jpg recent aether9 project presentation (in french): http://1904.cc/~aether/material/Aether9_dossier_FR.pdf new HTML test with variable opacity (javascript): http://1904.cc/aether/live/opacity/opak_fade_out.html i'm also gonna check how this looks with cycling images... 3. FEEDBACK FROM ACM MULTIMEDIA INTERACTIVE ARTS PROGRAM: They give a detailed and very interesting review of our submission (wich consisted of this document: http://1904.cc/aether/material/PROJECT_STATEMENT.pdf ) Also they propose us to present a video in an exhibition and online, which would be great of course. Some postproduction work waits for us now... --- Dear authors, apologies for the delayed information from our side but we needed the time to carefully investigate your submission with respect to suitability as well as presentability. At the end, the curatorial committee decided that a performance cannot be presented life at this years ACM MM arts exhibition. Yet, we could offer the option of presenting a video of your artwork during the time of the exhibition in a special room in the exhibition space. This offer would also include a permanent exhibition on the SIG MM video page, where not only the video but also an up to four page paper can be presented. Please have a look at the current web environment for getting an idea (http://www.sigmm.org/apache/video/). Please note, the 2007 page which is currently under development is the first where arts videos will be incorporated too. The current format will be the same only that the arts will get an additional section. In case you are interested please get in touch with Thomas Rist (tr at rz.fh-augsburg.de), who is the local chair and thus handles all the requirements for the exhibition. In case you are interested in providing a video, you will receive an additional email from Frank Nack (Frank.nack at liris.cnrs.fr), who is responsible for the video page at SIGMM. The results of the review process will be delivered in an additional mail. We do look forward to hearing from you soon Kindest regards --- ------- Reviews ----- ======= Review 1 ======= > *** Suitability: Suitability for the ACM MM Art program: Strong (8) > *** Relevance: Relevance to the theme "I / You / Other": Strong (8) > *** Artistic merit: Please rate the artistic merit: Good solid work of some artistic merit (8) > *** Use of technology: Use of technology to support the artistic concept: OK (6) > *** Interaction: The paper provides enough >details of how interaction with the work occurs: yes (2) > *** Technical merit: Technical merit OK (6) > *** Technical detail: The paper provides enough >technical details of how the work was built: no (0) > *** Organisation: Please rate the readability and organization of the paper: Needs considerable work (4) > *** Award: Nominate for best EXHIBITION PAPER award?: no (0) > *** Confidence: Confidence in your review >(based on your understanding of the paper and >familiarity with the subject matter): Confident (8) > *** Overall rating: Please provide an overall rate for the paper+art work: Accept if room (marginal quality) (6) > *** Overall rating art: Please rate the art work only: Accept if room (marginal quality) (6) > *** Overall rating paper: Please provide a rate for the paper: Accept if room (marginal quality) (6) > *** Summary: Summary of the proposal: Aether9 is a project that intends to offer a framework for collaborative video performance over the internet. > *** Comments A: Comments for the authors: The idea of the project is appealing and very relevant to the ACM MM Exhibition. Furthermore the examples on the website are artistically compelling. However, some issues should be addressed for this project to be a definite "yes" on my side: - This is obviously not the first and only video collaborative project over the internet. The authors should at leas mention some of the others and make a case of why their approach is different. - On the technical side not many details are offered. The fact that Max/MSP and PD appear a few times in the proposal but Jitter and GEM are not even mentioned comes like a surprise on a video proposal. I also wonder why the authors do not share their software on their website in the form of Max/PD patches and/or externals. Promoting collaboration from "outside" the group might be an interesting issue to explore. ======= Review 2 ======= > *** Suitability: Suitability for the ACM MM Art program: Strong (8) > *** Relevance: Relevance to the theme "I / You / Other": Strong (8) > *** Artistic merit: Please rate the artistic merit: Excellent work (10) > *** Use of technology: Use of technology to support the artistic concept: high (8) > *** Interaction: The paper provides enough >details of how interaction with the work occurs: no (0) > *** Technical merit: Technical merit high (8) > *** Technical detail: The paper provides enough >technical details of how the work was built: no (0) > *** Organisation: Please rate the readability and organization of the paper: Needs considerable work (4) > *** Award: Nominate for best EXHIBITION PAPER award?: no (0) > *** Confidence: Confidence in your review >(based on your understanding of the paper and >familiarity with the subject matter): Confident (8) > *** Overall rating: Please provide an overall rate for the paper+art work: Accept if room (marginal quality) (6) > *** Overall rating art: Please rate the art work only: Definitely accept (very high quality) (10) > *** Overall rating paper: Please provide a rate for the paper: Likely reject (low quality) (4) > *** Summary: Summary of the proposal: the paper describes a shared internet based platform for a collaborative realtime video environment. > *** Comments A: Comments for the authors: the project appears to be a most interesting approach to a shared video environment, that relates to important concepts in the past, utilising a sound technical approach with available software and hardware components in order to build an esay-to-use interface. unfortunately, the provided information in regards to technical solutions, both in the paper and in the additional materials on the web site, are too brief to give a good overview to the piece. a coherent description of the final artistic outcome and user experience is missing, as well as information about how the proposed environment facilitates visual and/or textbased storytelling (as mentioned in the subtitle). the paper is certainly a very free interpretation the ACM template, and unfortunately important parts are either brief (introduction, technical environment, user interface, evaluation etc) or missing (proper citation and references). it is recommended to revise the paper for final submission. ======= Review 3 ======= > *** Suitability: Suitability for the ACM MM Art program: Not bad (6) > *** Relevance: Relevance to the theme "I / You / Other": Not bad (6) > *** Artistic merit: Please rate the artistic merit: Good solid work of some artistic merit (8) > *** Use of technology: Use of technology to support the artistic concept: high (8) > *** Interaction: The paper provides enough >details of how interaction with the work occurs: no (0) > *** Technical merit: Technical merit OK (6) > *** Technical detail: The paper provides enough >technical details of how the work was built: no (0) > *** Organisation: Please rate the readability and organization of the paper: Needs considerable work (4) > *** Award: Nominate for best EXHIBITION PAPER award?: no (0) > *** Confidence: Confidence in your review >(based on your understanding of the paper and >familiarity with the subject matter): Confident (8) > *** Overall rating: Please provide an overall rate for the paper+art work: Accept if room (marginal quality) (6) > *** Overall rating art: Please rate the art work only: Accept (good quality) (8) > *** Overall rating paper: Please provide a rate for the paper: Likely reject (low quality) (4) > *** Summary: Summary of the proposal: The paper describes the goals for an experiment in collaborative storytelling through a networked video transmission. A series of performances are planned, but have not yet taken place. Mailing lists and online discussions happen currently between the collaborators. Seems a promising approach but far to early to evaluate for an exhibition. Unless a work in progress with open outcome is acceptable for the exhibtion. > *** Comments A: Comments for the authors: A promising approach and would be very interesting how you develop the mechanisms of collaboration for storytelling via internet and new media. ----------- From fougeras_nathalie at [nospam] yahoo.fr Thu Jul 26 22:20:25 2007 From: fougeras_nathalie at [nospam] yahoo.fr (fougeras nathalie) Date: Thu, 26 Jul 2007 22:20:25 +0200 (CEST) Subject: [aether] saturday breakfast ! Message-ID: <782902.42996.qm {a+} web26611.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> Hello, Thanks Manuel for this synthetic list of thoughts it's more clear i'm reading to understand better i have time too - before an other performance - in order to work really these importants precisions i stay in paris during the summer time so i find a "placard" where i'll play :-o i move as an immigrate in virtual spaces ;-) so if you'll be wake up saturday 12:30 then go listen ("BREAK_FAST") : http://www.leplacard.org/2007/placard%20X%20paris/ cheers Natali _____________________________________________________________________________ Ne gardez plus qu'une seule adresse mail ! Copiez vos mails vers Yahoo! Mail From bk at [nospam] n3krozoft.com Thu Jul 26 23:39:26 2007 From: bk at [nospam] n3krozoft.com (bk) Date: Thu, 26 Jul 2007 23:39:26 +0200 Subject: [aether] geoplotical In-Reply-To: References: <4699BFC1.5070904 {a+} n3krozoft.com> Message-ID: <46A9148E.10104 {a+} n3krozoft.com> hi, one of the curators of the ACM mm art exhib in germany remarked: "- This is obviously not the first and only video collaborative project over the internet. The authors should at leas mention some of the others and make a case of why their approach is different." --> Alejo, some time ago you wrote the following: > i think right now that the project faces technical changes... the talk > about the concept of a curtain that i still dont understand or like to > much.. i will prefer the regresive counter.. the idea of keeping the > performance alive through the archives (a must do), the idea of > integrating a chat..i have used a chat always in the dorkbotstreams > (java applets)... and always i have irc open when we stream via > GISS..chat is the best friend of the streams, the newly ftp - png > patches, the integration of sound... > > all this technical decisions are being overlooked since they determine > the type of stories you tell and so far they have been pushed > intuitively.. in geneva, i was admired by the way aether9 developed a > sense of "historical" tie with similar performances and that help me > understood why the use of ftp instead of rtsp or http icecast > streams..or podcasts.. --> myself beeing practically illiterate technically (although i have a theoretical understanding of what is rtsp, http icecast streams or podcasts by readings), Alejo, could you please develop a bit this aspect from your understanding - why the use of ftp ties the aether9 method to similar "historical" methods? this text on "Interaction, Participation, Networking Art and telecommunication", http://www.medienkunstnetz.de/themes/overview_of_media_art/communication/scroll/ (by Inke Arns who was with you and manu in dortmund incidentally...) is very interesting, reading it i "feel" the ties with some of these past experiments, but it doesn't help me to understand the "technical processes" ties. --- the last 20 seconds of the last performance central character (captured by a radio-frequency receptor linked to a radio emiting camera) : http://1904.cc/~aether/videos/ --- Good day all, Boris From ideacritik at [nospam] yahoo.ca Fri Jul 27 09:39:05 2007 From: ideacritik at [nospam] yahoo.ca (::audrey::) Date: Fri, 27 Jul 2007 00:39:05 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [aether] Re : Re : Thoughts, and a riddle Message-ID: <194141.62144.qm {a+} web50205.mail.re2.yahoo.com> thanx for the summary/synthesis manu - very helpful. i agree that we should rehearse during these next weeks if/when possible for some of us. the feedback from ACM is very interesting. seems to be a general concensus about: "the paper provides enough details of how interaction with the work occurs: no (0)" this is interesting because it does reflect our recent comments to each other (and from the outside) about interaction be it with one another or between frames or... concerning making a video - i'm not sure how you planned to do that, who, when, with what material etc, and i know it's usually a 'one person job' - but i can offer my services there if needed. i looked for the proposal you submitted to ACM on the wiki but couldn't find it. it would be helpful to read it after reading the comments. concerning the french report: ce fut tres utile pour moi de le lire, pour comprendre un peu ou vous envisagez le futur. le rapport est detaille au niveau technique, les images sont tres bien integres et expliquent bien le projet. au niveau conceptuel c'etait pas aussi fort (j'aurais aime voir + de contenu par exemple de la presentation que tu as faite a geneve au debut du workshop -- historique, raison d'etre, un peu de theorie). au fait je ne sais pas pourquoi ce rapport a ete fait donc p-e ce n'etait pas dutout le but et veuillez excuser mes commentaires si c'est le cas. une section que j'ai trouve un peu moins convainquante et celle des developpements envisages. "Il est m?me envisageable que le spectateur ait ? sa disposition un ?panneau de commandes?, lui permettant d?intervenir sur la disposition des fen?tres ou sur des param?tres visuels (luminosit?, contraste, angles de cam?ra, etc)." je suis toujours tres sceptique des elements 'interactifs' qui ne semblent de ne pas avoir de but sauf l'interactivite en soit. il serait important d'?laborer pourquoi tel ou tel niveau d'interactivit? ? rapport au projet. voila. those were my thoughts. it is welcome to openly critique right? just want to make sure i'm not stepping on anyone's toes. i'm easily 'critically' excitable :) my availability in august: berlin august 1st-6th (can communicate - not practice/rehearse) hungary august 9th-?(16th) (incommunicado) the rest is open. audrey|ideacritik ----- Message initial ---- De : "1.1 [*] 1904.cc" <1.1 [*] 1904.cc> ? : //// collaborative networked performance //// Envoy? le : jeudi 26 juillet 2007, 18 h 51 min 54 s Objet : [aether] Re : Thoughts, and a riddle rid?dle 2 (rdl) n. 1. A question or statement requiring thought to answer or understand; a conundrum. 2. One that is perplexing; an enigma. message contents: 1. short reminder of the recent general comments 2. some news (project presentation in french, new HTML experiments...) 3. interesting feedback from ACM Multimedia 2007 hi all, i'm back from dortmund where i attended a highly interesting workshop on (weather-)satellite imagery interception. here in geneva the situation is tensed for the moment, the city just lost a major cultural hotspot, the 18-year-old squat Rhino which was evicted on monday afternoon by police forces. so much about the local news, now back to the aether-relevant topics: 1. INTERNAL FEEDBACK: i'm listing here the main points of the comments posted after the last performance. Lucy/League: - The first aether project still holds the most for me. - timing is essential. Coordination of objects moved from frame to frame, etc - live audio conference between us would help us to synchronize - Instead of a new theme for each new project - perhaps we could return to this study of an object, of coordination, of passing items through the frame and communicating more "physically" with one other? Nathalie: - synchronize more - develop more clearly different parts of events with sounds - Maybe we can imagine alternance between interaction and bubble world Cym: - i would prefer to work on developing one script/story board, and use it for each performance. - the script of the very first performance was good. - shorter 5-10 min compositions/actions. - the technical part should be working before the performance starts - messages on a piece of paper Audrey: - we are still quite disconnected during these performances. (...) i feel that networked performance does not make sense if there is no real interaction between the members of the network - as cym noted, using text, written on a piece of paper as we did in the first performance, was really nice - i imagine inmates passing each other notes between jailcells, all being watched on simultaneously by the jailguard on nine tiny screens hooked up to those surveillance cameras Judy: - a text on the software set-up could be posted on the Aether site - Rehearsing pieces/scripts as modular pieces until we flow with them is really necessary Luka: - problem of transfer / translation of certain connections between people - concerning the technical aspects, i think it's hard to unify technical aspects here a few comments: - i'm in favor of working, as Cym proposes, on shorter 5-10 min actions. But this doesn't solve the question of the global, main theme/concept of the performance. Also, obviously, during the last performances, we did all the preparations in a much too short time. Since for the moment no performances are scheduled, we should use that time to develop and rehearse regularly... - the text documentation for the technical/software part is slowly developing on the wiki, but still has to become more complete. - i also like the hand-written text, rather than text superimposed on the picture by software (which creates a too great distance IMO) 2. NEWS: aether9 schematics (basic aether concept unveiled) http://1904.cc/~aether/material/schema/aether9_schema03.jpg recent aether9 project presentation (in french): http://1904.cc/~aether/material/Aether9_dossier_FR.pdf new HTML test with variable opacity (javascript): http://1904.cc/aether/live/opacity/opak_fade_out.html i'm also gonna check how this looks with cycling images... 3. FEEDBACK FROM ACM MULTIMEDIA INTERACTIVE ARTS PROGRAM: They give a detailed and very interesting review of our submission (wich consisted of this document: http://1904.cc/aether/material/PROJECT_STATEMENT.pdf ) Also they propose us to present a video in an exhibition and online, which would be great of course. Some postproduction work waits for us now... --- Dear authors, apologies for the delayed information from our side but we needed the time to carefully investigate your submission with respect to suitability as well as presentability. At the end, the curatorial committee decided that a performance cannot be presented life at this years ACM MM arts exhibition. Yet, we could offer the option of presenting a video of your artwork during the time of the exhibition in a special room in the exhibition space. This offer would also include a permanent exhibition on the SIG MM video page, where not only the video but also an up to four page paper can be presented. Please have a look at the current web environment for getting an idea (http://www.sigmm.org/apache/video/). Please note, the 2007 page which is currently under development is the first where arts videos will be incorporated too. The current format will be the same only that the arts will get an additional section. In case you are interested please get in touch with Thomas Rist (tr at rz.fh-augsburg.de), who is the local chair and thus handles all the requirements for the exhibition. In case you are interested in providing a video, you will receive an additional email from Frank Nack (Frank.nack at liris.cnrs.fr), who is responsible for the video page at SIGMM. The results of the review process will be delivered in an additional mail. We do look forward to hearing from you soon Kindest regards --- ------- Reviews ----- ======= Review 1 ======= > *** Suitability: Suitability for the ACM MM Art program: Strong (8) > *** Relevance: Relevance to the theme "I / You / Other": Strong (8) > *** Artistic merit: Please rate the artistic merit: Good solid work of some artistic merit (8) > *** Use of technology: Use of technology to support the artistic concept: OK (6) > *** Interaction: The paper provides enough >details of how interaction with the work occurs: yes (2) > *** Technical merit: Technical merit OK (6) > *** Technical detail: The paper provides enough >technical details of how the work was built: no (0) > *** Organisation: Please rate the readability and organization of the paper: Needs considerable work (4) > *** Award: Nominate for best EXHIBITION PAPER award?: no (0) > *** Confidence: Confidence in your review >(based on your understanding of the paper and >familiarity with the subject matter): Confident (8) > *** Overall rating: Please provide an overall rate for the paper+art work: Accept if room (marginal quality) (6) > *** Overall rating art: Please rate the art work only: Accept if room (marginal quality) (6) > *** Overall rating paper: Please provide a rate for the paper: Accept if room (marginal quality) (6) > *** Summary: Summary of the proposal: Aether9 is a project that intends to offer a framework for collaborative video performance over the internet. > *** Comments A: Comments for the authors: The idea of the project is appealing and very relevant to the ACM MM Exhibition. Furthermore the examples on the website are artistically compelling. However, some issues should be addressed for this project to be a definite "yes" on my side: - This is obviously not the first and only video collaborative project over the internet. The authors should at leas mention some of the others and make a case of why their approach is different. - On the technical side not many details are offered. The fact that Max/MSP and PD appear a few times in the proposal but Jitter and GEM are not even mentioned comes like a surprise on a video proposal. I also wonder why the authors do not share their software on their website in the form of Max/PD patches and/or externals. Promoting collaboration from "outside" the group might be an interesting issue to explore. ======= Review 2 ======= > *** Suitability: Suitability for the ACM MM Art program: Strong (8) > *** Relevance: Relevance to the theme "I / You / Other": Strong (8) > *** Artistic merit: Please rate the artistic merit: Excellent work (10) > *** Use of technology: Use of technology to support the artistic concept: high (8) > *** Interaction: The paper provides enough >details of how interaction with the work occurs: no (0) > *** Technical merit: Technical merit high (8) > *** Technical detail: The paper provides enough >technical details of how the work was built: no (0) > *** Organisation: Please rate the readability and organization of the paper: Needs considerable work (4) > *** Award: Nominate for best EXHIBITION PAPER award?: no (0) > *** Confidence: Confidence in your review >(based on your understanding of the paper and >familiarity with the subject matter): Confident (8) > *** Overall rating: Please provide an overall rate for the paper+art work: Accept if room (marginal quality) (6) > *** Overall rating art: Please rate the art work only: Definitely accept (very high quality) (10) > *** Overall rating paper: Please provide a rate for the paper: Likely reject (low quality) (4) > *** Summary: Summary of the proposal: the paper describes a shared internet based platform for a collaborative realtime video environment. > *** Comments A: Comments for the authors: the project appears to be a most interesting approach to a shared video environment, that relates to important concepts in the past, utilising a sound technical approach with available software and hardware components in order to build an esay-to-use interface. unfortunately, the provided information in regards to technical solutions, both in the paper and in the additional materials on the web site, are too brief to give a good overview to the piece. a coherent description of the final artistic outcome and user experience is missing, as well as information about how the proposed environment facilitates visual and/or textbased storytelling (as mentioned in the subtitle). the paper is certainly a very free interpretation the ACM template, and unfortunately important parts are either brief (introduction, technical environment, user interface, evaluation etc) or missing (proper citation and references). it is recommended to revise the paper for final submission. ======= Review 3 ======= > *** Suitability: Suitability for the ACM MM Art program: Not bad (6) > *** Relevance: Relevance to the theme "I / You / Other": Not bad (6) > *** Artistic merit: Please rate the artistic merit: Good solid work of some artistic merit (8) > *** Use of technology: Use of technology to support the artistic concept: high (8) > *** Interaction: The paper provides enough >details of how interaction with the work occurs: no (0) > *** Technical merit: Technical merit OK (6) > *** Technical detail: The paper provides enough >technical details of how the work was built: no (0) > *** Organisation: Please rate the readability and organization of the paper: Needs considerable work (4) > *** Award: Nominate for best EXHIBITION PAPER award?: no (0) > *** Confidence: Confidence in your review >(based on your understanding of the paper and >familiarity with the subject matter): Confident (8) > *** Overall rating: Please provide an overall rate for the paper+art work: Accept if room (marginal quality) (6) > *** Overall rating art: Please rate the art work only: Accept (good quality) (8) > *** Overall rating paper: Please provide a rate for the paper: Likely reject (low quality) (4) > *** Summary: Summary of the proposal: The paper describes the goals for an experiment in collaborative storytelling through a networked video transmission. A series of performances are planned, but have not yet taken place. Mailing lists and online discussions happen currently between the collaborators. Seems a promising approach but far to early to evaluate for an exhibition. Unless a work in progress with open outcome is acceptable for the exhibtion. > *** Comments A: Comments for the authors: A promising approach and would be very interesting how you develop the mechanisms of collaboration for storytelling via internet and new media. ----------- _______________________________________________ aether mailing list aether at [nospam] 1904.cc http://lists.1904.cc/mailman/listinfo/aether Combattez les m?chants pourriels... Le filtre SpamGuard vous aide ? lutter efficacement contre les pourriels sur le Tout-nouveau Yahoo! Courriel http://us.rd.yahoo.com/evt=40705/*http://mrd.mail.yahoo.com/try_beta?.intl=cf -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.1904.cc/pipermail/aether/attachments/20070727/30d47f67/attachment.html From ciruela at [nospam] une.net.co Fri Jul 27 20:36:06 2007 From: ciruela at [nospam] une.net.co (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?Paula_V=E9lez_Bravo?=) Date: Fri, 27 Jul 2007 13:36:06 -0500 Subject: [aether] aether help to participate In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <81039386-1BFB-40D4-8694-1C697433B114 {a+} une.net.co> manuel and aether group: it seems that it will be another performance soon in Berlin? i?m sorry if i?m wrong. but with all the mails i could not read it is so dificul to understand. i decided to start from zero in a way.... i need some resume for the next things to come... i tried to follow everything from the past performances and conversations but it's imposible. SO... resume: 1. I tried the PD extended (mac) but i didnt found the good padch or dont know very well how it works. 2.So i have try the last MAX padche, and i will like to make a test with somme body to send sound and images. 3. then i will start to help with the script if the ideas pop up form my mind..... i liked the "food idea with numbers". 4. the financial thing... i?m studing your propositions... maybe i will have my opinion too. (later we will see, anyway i don't think Paypal will be necessary for me, i have a french account in Paris if needed). I like some of the ideas i have read. i wish i could continue , participate, learn. i have to reach you now, the evolution of aether is faster than i could imagine. but i need some help to resume everything and restart with you in the proyect. Alors, qui pourra ?tre dispo, pour un RDV en skype, puis m?tre au point les details qui m'?chappent. J'arrive a m'exprimer un peu mieux en fran?ais alors si on se donne rdv en fran?ais ?a arrangera les choses... Comme ?a je pourrai avoir les vrais derniers padches masi sur tout faire un test- Sur le wiki , est plus facil la queston , pour cette histoire de resum?... je sais bien... mais pour les doutes un rendez- vous ne sera pas une mauvaise id?e. ?a vous dis dimanche? plus t?t lundi? si c'est trop tard... je m'arrangerai pour que ?a soit demain... dans l'apr?s midi pour vous. Merci. Paula From cymnet at [nospam] gmail.com Sat Jul 28 00:53:24 2007 From: cymnet at [nospam] gmail.com (cym net) Date: Sat, 28 Jul 2007 00:53:24 +0200 Subject: [aether] aether help to participate In-Reply-To: <81039386-1BFB-40D4-8694-1C697433B114 {a+} une.net.co> References: <81039386-1BFB-40D4-8694-1C697433B114 {a+} une.net.co> Message-ID: <95c795f70707271553r26456df1w4de81bfb79bb4f33 {a+} mail.gmail.com> Hello Paula, As far as i follow the communication there is no event in berlin. Just audrey wrote that she will be in berlin and she can connect with us from there but cannot participate *if* we would organize some rehearsel during that time. Myself i would have time this weekend, saturday, sunday, all day and night to do some testing. The pd-patch is working now on my laptop and i would like to test it. I haven't played with it yet. Content-wise i cannot do much here. I am in Ljubljana in a small room with not so good light, but technic-wise i would like to do some testing. And maybe a Skype-chat in general would be good too. Anytime for me this weekend, just let me know. cym On 7/27/07, Paula V?lez Bravo wrote: > manuel and aether group: > > it seems that it will be another performance soon in Berlin? > i?m sorry if i?m wrong. but with all the mails i could not read it is > so dificul to understand. > i decided to start from zero in a way.... > > i need some resume for the next things to come... i tried to follow > everything from the past performances and conversations but it's > imposible. SO... > > resume: > 1. I tried the PD extended (mac) but i didnt found the good padch or > dont know very well how it works. > > 2.So i have try the last MAX padche, and i will like to make a test > with somme body to send sound and images. > > 3. then i will start to help with the script if the ideas pop up form > my mind..... i liked the "food idea with numbers". > > 4. the financial thing... i?m studing your propositions... maybe i > will have my opinion too. (later we will see, anyway i don't think > Paypal will be necessary for me, i have a french account in Paris if > needed). I like some of the ideas i have read. > > i wish i could continue , participate, learn. i have to reach you > now, the evolution of aether is faster than i could imagine. but i > need some help to resume everything and restart with you in the proyect. > > Alors, qui pourra ?tre dispo, pour un RDV en skype, puis m?tre au > point les details qui m'?chappent. J'arrive a m'exprimer un peu mieux > en fran?ais alors si on se donne rdv en fran?ais ?a arrangera les > choses... > Comme ?a je pourrai avoir les vrais derniers padches masi sur tout > faire un test- Sur le wiki , est plus facil la queston , pour cette > histoire de resum?... je sais bien... mais pour les doutes un rendez- > vous ne sera pas une mauvaise id?e. > > ?a vous dis dimanche? plus t?t lundi? si c'est trop tard... je > m'arrangerai pour que ?a soit demain... > dans l'apr?s midi pour vous. > > Merci. > > Paula > > > _______________________________________________ > aether mailing list > aether at [nospam] 1904.cc > http://lists.1904.cc/mailman/listinfo/aether > From ciruela at [nospam] une.net.co Sat Jul 28 19:25:34 2007 From: ciruela at [nospam] une.net.co (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?Paula_V=E9lez_Bravo?=) Date: Sat, 28 Jul 2007 12:25:34 -0500 Subject: [aether] rdv saturday -sunday In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <750E2DDB-51EA-4B18-80BB-9C12E6187478 {a+} une.net.co> cym: so, i wlll be since now on sitting in my chair in front of the screen... connected to skype.... maybe you will appear today.... it si 12:30 in colombia. it must be 19h ii Ljubliana. let's try to do some test today, if not, tomorrow we could try if you can. see you. paula From cymnet at [nospam] gmail.com Sat Jul 28 19:58:31 2007 From: cymnet at [nospam] gmail.com (cym net) Date: Sat, 28 Jul 2007 19:58:31 +0200 Subject: [aether] rdv saturday -sunday In-Reply-To: <750E2DDB-51EA-4B18-80BB-9C12E6187478 {a+} une.net.co> References: <750E2DDB-51EA-4B18-80BB-9C12E6187478 {a+} une.net.co> Message-ID: <95c795f70707281058x342c64c7t3d9dc45f454d30f6 {a+} mail.gmail.com> hey, i just came back from a long walk through the city. i climbed the tower and paid the 3 euros entrance to go also the last stairs all the way to the top. and then i had the view all around slovenia :-) i made many photos that i will probably turn into a virtual reconstruction. anyway, let's have a test in about an hour or so. i have to first download my photos and then i will setup the webcam. cym On 7/28/07, Paula V?lez Bravo wrote: > cym: > so, i wlll be since now on sitting in my chair in front of the screen... > connected to skype.... maybe you will appear today.... > it si 12:30 in colombia. it must be 19h ii Ljubliana. > let's try to do some test today, if not, tomorrow we could try if you > can. > > see you. > > paula > _______________________________________________ > aether mailing list > aether at [nospam] 1904.cc > http://lists.1904.cc/mailman/listinfo/aether > From fougeras_nathalie at [nospam] yahoo.fr Sat Jul 28 21:36:44 2007 From: fougeras_nathalie at [nospam] yahoo.fr (fougeras nathalie) Date: Sat, 28 Jul 2007 21:36:44 +0200 (CEST) Subject: [aether] RE : Re: rdv saturday -sunday In-Reply-To: <95c795f70707281058x342c64c7t3d9dc45f454d30f6 {a+} mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <839762.6483.qm {a+} web26610.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> Hello Cym, Paula and all, Now i come back to "le placard" after my intervention there and be stayed so in my home now i'm listening other live sounds here : http://stream.radiowne.org:8004/listen.pls (noise music) and you have this irc here : http://pjirc.goto10.org/?channel=placard but tomorrow night i can be free to work with you via skype nice week-end bye Nathalie --- cym net a ?crit : > hey, i just came back from a long walk through the > city. i climbed the > tower and paid the 3 euros entrance to go also the > last stairs all the > way to the top. and then i had the view all around > slovenia :-) i made > many photos that i will probably turn into a virtual > reconstruction. > anyway, let's have a test in about an hour or so. i > have to first > download my photos and then i will setup the webcam. > > cym > > > On 7/28/07, Paula V?lez Bravo > wrote: > > cym: > > so, i wlll be since now on sitting in my chair in > front of the screen... > > connected to skype.... maybe you will appear > today.... > > it si 12:30 in colombia. it must be 19h ii > Ljubliana. > > let's try to do some test today, if not, tomorrow > we could try if you > > can. > > > > see you. > > > > paula > > _______________________________________________ > > aether mailing list > > aether at [nospam] 1904.cc > > http://lists.1904.cc/mailman/listinfo/aether > > > _______________________________________________ > aether mailing list > aether at [nospam] 1904.cc > http://lists.1904.cc/mailman/listinfo/aether > _____________________________________________________________________________ Ne gardez plus qu'une seule adresse mail ! Copiez vos mails vers Yahoo! Mail From cymnet at [nospam] gmail.com Sun Jul 29 00:04:05 2007 From: cymnet at [nospam] gmail.com (cym net) Date: Sun, 29 Jul 2007 00:04:05 +0200 Subject: [aether] RE : Re: rdv saturday -sunday In-Reply-To: <839762.6483.qm {a+} web26610.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> References: <95c795f70707281058x342c64c7t3d9dc45f454d30f6 {a+} mail.gmail.com> <839762.6483.qm {a+} web26610.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <95c795f70707281504y67867bc5s449b8638e5182310 {a+} mail.gmail.com> Hello Nathalie I had a very nice meeting with Paula on Skype this evening. But we mostly spoke about her project in the village in Colombia. We did not get to testing the stream or cameras... The project in the village was just too interesting... So we agreed to try again to do a test session tomorrow. I will probably be online most of the day, since i have some work to finish. But i might be out for an hour or so to climb that Ljubljana tower again :-) The ticket is still valid and i want to take some more photos up there. I will try to listen to the stream now, i missed your show this afternoon. cym On 7/28/07, fougeras nathalie wrote: > Hello Cym, Paula and all, > > Now i come back to "le placard" after my intervention > there and be stayed > so in my home now i'm listening other live sounds here > : http://stream.radiowne.org:8004/listen.pls > (noise music) > and you have this irc here : > http://pjirc.goto10.org/?channel=placard > > but tomorrow night i can be free to work with you via > skype > > nice week-end > bye > Nathalie > > > --- cym net a ?crit : > > > hey, i just came back from a long walk through the > > city. i climbed the > > tower and paid the 3 euros entrance to go also the > > last stairs all the > > way to the top. and then i had the view all around > > slovenia :-) i made > > many photos that i will probably turn into a virtual > > reconstruction. > > anyway, let's have a test in about an hour or so. i > > have to first > > download my photos and then i will setup the webcam. > > > > cym > > > > > > On 7/28/07, Paula V?lez Bravo > > wrote: > > > cym: > > > so, i wlll be since now on sitting in my chair in > > front of the screen... > > > connected to skype.... maybe you will appear > > today.... > > > it si 12:30 in colombia. it must be 19h ii > > Ljubliana. > > > let's try to do some test today, if not, tomorrow > > we could try if you > > > can. > > > > > > see you. > > > > > > paula > > > _______________________________________________ > > > aether mailing list > > > aether at [nospam] 1904.cc > > > http://lists.1904.cc/mailman/listinfo/aether > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > aether mailing list > > aether at [nospam] 1904.cc > > http://lists.1904.cc/mailman/listinfo/aether > > > > > > _____________________________________________________________________________ > Ne gardez plus qu'une seule adresse mail ! Copiez vos mails vers Yahoo! Mail > _______________________________________________ > aether mailing list > aether at [nospam] 1904.cc > http://lists.1904.cc/mailman/listinfo/aether > From cymnet at [nospam] gmail.com Sun Jul 29 19:27:28 2007 From: cymnet at [nospam] gmail.com (cym net) Date: Sun, 29 Jul 2007 19:27:28 +0200 Subject: [aether] tonight at 22 CEST Message-ID: <95c795f70707291027j18fcbc3bh5e8391f54c03144d {a+} mail.gmail.com> Hello all, I just agreed with Nathalie to meet tonight on Skype at 22h (10pm) Central European Summer Time. That is 3pm in Colombia. I was trying my webcam with luka's pd-patch today and it seems to work all fine. Although my laptop is very slow when the patch is running... I created a folder on the 1904.cc server to test the uploading, hope that is okay. I didn't want to use the folder that we were using for the performance. You can see the view from my ljubljana window at: http://1904.cc/~aether/cym/2_1904_png.html Maybe see you tonight Greetings, cym From fougeras_nathalie at [nospam] yahoo.fr Sun Jul 29 22:51:10 2007 From: fougeras_nathalie at [nospam] yahoo.fr (fougeras nathalie) Date: Sun, 29 Jul 2007 22:51:10 +0200 (CEST) Subject: [aether] RE : tonight at 22 CEST In-Reply-To: <95c795f70707291027j18fcbc3bh5e8391f54c03144d {a+} mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <972447.88429.qm {a+} web26608.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> Hi I tested with Cym begining with max patch upload movie (short film) and not directly with webcam, it's all right with Pd i didn't work correctly with it for me (.mov file didn't stay open) It'll be interesting if i'll be able to choose a new html page myself in the max patch.. get url.. Paula uploaded too but it did not appaear on the html page.. good nights or days :) cheers Natali --- cym net a ?crit : > Hello all, > > I just agreed with Nathalie to meet tonight on Skype > at 22h (10pm) > Central European Summer Time. That is 3pm in > Colombia. > > I was trying my webcam with luka's pd-patch today > and it seems to work > all fine. Although my laptop is very slow when the > patch is running... > > I created a folder on the 1904.cc server to test the > uploading, hope > that is okay. > I didn't want to use the folder that we were using > for the performance. > > You can see the view from my ljubljana window at: > http://1904.cc/~aether/cym/2_1904_png.html > > Maybe see you tonight > > Greetings, cym > _______________________________________________ > aether mailing list > aether at [nospam] 1904.cc > http://lists.1904.cc/mailman/listinfo/aether > _____________________________________________________________________________ Ne gardez plus qu'une seule adresse mail ! Copiez vos mails vers Yahoo! Mail From cymnet at [nospam] gmail.com Mon Jul 30 13:17:39 2007 From: cymnet at [nospam] gmail.com (cym net) Date: Mon, 30 Jul 2007 13:17:39 +0200 Subject: [aether] RE : tonight at 22 CEST In-Reply-To: <972447.88429.qm {a+} web26608.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> References: <95c795f70707291027j18fcbc3bh5e8391f54c03144d {a+} mail.gmail.com> <972447.88429.qm {a+} web26608.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <95c795f70707300417m4f162e56hdf5546e7f4435969 {a+} mail.gmail.com> Hello Nathalie, Paula and others I realize now that you were trying to create a page through the max patch. I don't think that is possible. I use ftp and a text-editor for that... For a few of the Aether 9 performances i was uploading the images by hand via ftp, so i am used to the directory-structure on the server, like to which directory i am uploading my images. It was not so difficult for me to download the html-page from the Bulgaria directory, change the name of my image-directory in the source code with the new directory and upload the page with a new name. Then i copied the frameset from the Bulgaria presentation and again changed the paths and changed the name. But i didn't know to which server/directory you were uploading, so i didn't know which code to put for you in the other two frames... And then i wanted to show the virtual model of my farm to the two friends that arrived to make a documentary about me at work and i had to close all the other applications for the virtual world to work smoothly... and then we went for a beer that turned out to be very a very inspiring one, so we had another one :-) It has nothing to do with your max-patch or camera or if you are sending live images or pre-recorded movies, you just need to know to which server/directory you are uploading, which you can probably set somewhere in the max patch. We can try again when there is more time, no problem cym On 7/29/07, fougeras nathalie wrote: > Hi > > I tested with Cym > begining with max patch upload movie (short film) and > not directly with webcam, it's all right > with Pd i didn't work correctly with it for me (.mov > file didn't stay open) > > It'll be interesting if i'll be able to choose a new > html page myself in the max patch.. get url.. > > Paula uploaded too but it did not appaear on the html > page.. > > good nights or days :) > > cheers > Natali > > > --- cym net a ?crit : > > > Hello all, > > > > I just agreed with Nathalie to meet tonight on Skype > > at 22h (10pm) > > Central European Summer Time. That is 3pm in > > Colombia. > > > > I was trying my webcam with luka's pd-patch today > > and it seems to work > > all fine. Although my laptop is very slow when the > > patch is running... > > > > I created a folder on the 1904.cc server to test the > > uploading, hope > > that is okay. > > I didn't want to use the folder that we were using > > for the performance. > > > > You can see the view from my ljubljana window at: > > http://1904.cc/~aether/cym/2_1904_png.html > > > > Maybe see you tonight > > > > Greetings, cym > > _______________________________________________ > > aether mailing list > > aether at [nospam] 1904.cc > > http://lists.1904.cc/mailman/listinfo/aether > > > > > > _____________________________________________________________________________ > Ne gardez plus qu'une seule adresse mail ! Copiez vos mails vers Yahoo! Mail > _______________________________________________ > aether mailing list > aether at [nospam] 1904.cc > http://lists.1904.cc/mailman/listinfo/aether > From fougeras_nathalie at [nospam] yahoo.fr Mon Jul 30 15:06:45 2007 From: fougeras_nathalie at [nospam] yahoo.fr (fougeras nathalie) Date: Mon, 30 Jul 2007 15:06:45 +0200 (CEST) Subject: [aether] RE : Re: RE : tonight at 22 CEST In-Reply-To: <95c795f70707300417m4f162e56hdf5546e7f4435969 {a+} mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <153756.6777.qm {a+} web26604.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> > Hello Nathalie, Paula and others > > I realize now that you were trying to create a page > through the max > patch. I don't think that is possible. I use ftp and > a text-editor for Yes but it was not exactly that i would choose a directory way no create a page html via max > that... For a few of the Aether 9 performances i was > uploading the > images by hand via ftp, so i am used to the > directory-structure on the > server, like to which directory i am uploading my > images. It was not > so difficult for me to download the html-page from > the Bulgaria > directory, change the name of my image-directory in > the source code > with the new directory and upload the page with a > new name. yes but after when i upload again other images on the same channel images uploaded didn't go on this new html page because the directory is not this page (i suppose) so it's the same loop images > > Then i copied the frameset from the Bulgaria > presentation and again > changed the paths and changed the name. But i didn't > know to which > server/directory you were uploading, so i didn't > know which code to > put for you in the other two frames... yes i mean that ;-) maybe Manuel who built this patch can tell us if it's possible to choose a adress directory you write yourself (like you you choose a list) > > And then i wanted to show the virtual model of my > farm to the two > friends that arrived to make a documentary about me > at work and i had > to close all the other applications for the virtual > world to work no problem Cym > smoothly... and then we went for a beer that turned > out to be very a > very inspiring one, so we had another one :-) i hope it was a good beer party :) > > It has nothing to do with your max-patch or camera > or if you are > sending live images or pre-recorded movies, you just > need to know to > which server/directory you are uploading, which you > can probably set > somewhere in the max patch. > > We can try again when there is more time, no problem i think Paul would like btry again and test sound too me i would like test Pd seriously ;-) you worked with Luka so do you have a notice to follow in order play with this patch tx natali > > cym > > > On 7/29/07, fougeras nathalie > wrote: > > Hi > > > > I tested with Cym > > begining with max patch upload movie (short film) > and > > not directly with webcam, it's all right > > with Pd i didn't work correctly with it for me > (.mov > > file didn't stay open) > > > > It'll be interesting if i'll be able to choose a > new > > html page myself in the max patch.. get url.. > > > > Paula uploaded too but it did not appaear on the > html > > page.. > > > > good nights or days :) > > > > cheers > > Natali > > > > > > --- cym net a ?crit : > > > > > Hello all, > > > > > > I just agreed with Nathalie to meet tonight on > Skype > > > at 22h (10pm) > > > Central European Summer Time. That is 3pm in > > > Colombia. > > > > > > I was trying my webcam with luka's pd-patch > today > > > and it seems to work > > > all fine. Although my laptop is very slow when > the > > > patch is running... > > > > > > I created a folder on the 1904.cc server to test > the > > > uploading, hope > > > that is okay. > > > I didn't want to use the folder that we were > using > > > for the performance. > > > > > > You can see the view from my ljubljana window > at: > > > http://1904.cc/~aether/cym/2_1904_png.html > > > > > > Maybe see you tonight > > > > > > Greetings, cym > > > _______________________________________________ > > > aether mailing list > > > aether at [nospam] 1904.cc > > > http://lists.1904.cc/mailman/listinfo/aether > > > > > > > > > > > > _____________________________________________________________________________ > > Ne gardez plus qu'une seule adresse mail ! Copiez > vos mails vers Yahoo! Mail > > _______________________________________________ > > aether mailing list > > aether at [nospam] 1904.cc > > http://lists.1904.cc/mailman/listinfo/aether > > > _______________________________________________ > aether mailing list > aether at [nospam] 1904.cc > http://lists.1904.cc/mailman/listinfo/aether > _____________________________________________________________________________ Ne gardez plus qu'une seule adresse mail ! Copiez vos mails vers Yahoo! Mail From ciruela at [nospam] une.net.co Mon Jul 30 15:27:42 2007 From: ciruela at [nospam] une.net.co (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?Paula_V=E9lez_Bravo?=) Date: Mon, 30 Jul 2007 08:27:42 -0500 Subject: [aether] aether Digest, Vol 3, Issue 24 In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Hi, So, let?s meet tonight at 3pm for me in Colombia. I wish this time i will be able to transmit video and audio. I was using the same window for the lastes time i participate, the third one. I have to confirm if i have the right lastes padche... then i will like to try de PD. see you, Paula El 30/07/2007, a las 5:00, aether-request at [nospam] 1904.cc escribi?: > Send aether mailing list submissions to > aether at [nospam] 1904.cc > > To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit > http://lists.1904.cc/mailman/listinfo/aether > or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to > aether-request at [nospam] 1904.cc > > You can reach the person managing the list at > aether-owner at [nospam] 1904.cc > > When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific > than "Re: Contents of aether digest..." > > > Today's Topics: > > 1. tonight at 22 CEST (cym net) > 2. RE : tonight at 22 CEST (fougeras nathalie) > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Message: 1 > Date: Sun, 29 Jul 2007 19:27:28 +0200 > From: "cym net" > Subject: [aether] tonight at 22 CEST > To: "//// collaborative networked performance ////" > Message-ID: > <95c795f70707291027j18fcbc3bh5e8391f54c03144d at mail.gmail.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 > > Hello all, > > I just agreed with Nathalie to meet tonight on Skype at 22h (10pm) > Central European Summer Time. That is 3pm in Colombia. > > I was trying my webcam with luka's pd-patch today and it seems to work > all fine. Although my laptop is very slow when the patch is running... > > I created a folder on the 1904.cc server to test the uploading, hope > that is okay. > I didn't want to use the folder that we were using for the > performance. > > You can see the view from my ljubljana window at: > http://1904.cc/~aether/cym/2_1904_png.html > > Maybe see you tonight > > Greetings, cym > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 2 > Date: Sun, 29 Jul 2007 22:51:10 +0200 (CEST) > From: fougeras nathalie > Subject: [aether] RE : tonight at 22 CEST > To: //// collaborative networked performance //// > Message-ID: <972447.88429.qm at web26608.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 > > Hi > > I tested with Cym > begining with max patch upload movie (short film) and > not directly with webcam, it's all right > with Pd i didn't work correctly with it for me (.mov > file didn't stay open) > > It'll be interesting if i'll be able to choose a new > html page myself in the max patch.. get url.. > > Paula uploaded too but it did not appaear on the html > page.. > > good nights or days :) > > cheers > Natali > > > --- cym net a ?crit : > >> Hello all, >> >> I just agreed with Nathalie to meet tonight on Skype >> at 22h (10pm) >> Central European Summer Time. That is 3pm in >> Colombia. >> >> I was trying my webcam with luka's pd-patch today >> and it seems to work >> all fine. Although my laptop is very slow when the >> patch is running... >> >> I created a folder on the 1904.cc server to test the >> uploading, hope >> that is okay. >> I didn't want to use the folder that we were using >> for the performance. >> >> You can see the view from my ljubljana window at: >> http://1904.cc/~aether/cym/2_1904_png.html >> >> Maybe see you tonight >> >> Greetings, cym >> _______________________________________________ >> aether mailing list >> aether at [nospam] 1904.cc >> http://lists.1904.cc/mailman/listinfo/aether >> > > > > > ______________________________________________________________________ > _______ > Ne gardez plus qu'une seule adresse mail ! Copiez vos mails vers > Yahoo! Mail > > > ------------------------------ > > _______________________________________________ > aether mailing list > aether at [nospam] 1904.cc > http://lists.1904.cc/mailman/listinfo/aether > > > End of aether Digest, Vol 3, Issue 24 > ************************************* From alejoduque at [nospam] gmail.com Mon Jul 30 18:26:59 2007 From: alejoduque at [nospam] gmail.com (alejo d) Date: Mon, 30 Jul 2007 18:26:59 +0200 Subject: [aether] geoplotical In-Reply-To: <46A9148E.10104 {a+} n3krozoft.com> References: <4699BFC1.5070904 {a+} n3krozoft.com> <46A9148E.10104 {a+} n3krozoft.com> Message-ID: hola On 7/26/07, bk wrote: one of the curators of the ACM mm art exhib in germany remarked: > > "- This is obviously not the first and only video > collaborative project over the internet. The > authors should at leas mention some of the others > and make a case of why their approach is > different." seems the submission lacked the background that manuel gave us in the aether9 wokshop in geneva.... --> Alejo, some time ago you wrote the following: > > i think right now that the project faces technical changes... the talk > > about the concept of a curtain that i still dont understand or like to > > much.. i will prefer the regresive counter.. the idea of keeping the > > performance alive through the archives (a must do), the idea of > > integrating a chat..i have used a chat always in the dorkbotstreams > > (java applets)... and always i have irc open when we stream via > > GISS..chat is the best friend of the streams, the newly ftp - png > > patches, the integration of sound... > > > > all this technical decisions are being overlooked since they determine > > the type of stories you tell and so far they have been pushed > > intuitively.. in geneva, i was admired by the way aether9 developed a > > sense of "historical" tie with similar performances and that help me > > understood why the use of ftp instead of rtsp or http icecast > > streams..or podcasts.. > --> myself beeing practically illiterate technically (although i have a > theoretical understanding of what is rtsp, http icecast streams or > podcasts by readings), > Alejo, could you please develop a bit this aspect from your > understanding - why the use of ftp ties the aether9 method to similar > "historical" methods? is not directly the protocol in itself but the "general" use of a method that was leading in webcam technologies phps a decade ago, thats what i could call historical... there was also cUseeMe and another one i cannot recall, then realproducer (http stream) or even the flash server came around... today theres a pletora of options not worth to mention since we all know them.. so, is more the feel of the time lapse produced by ftp uploading/browser downloading. Image by image rendered one after the other (even though is high image quality compared to http or rtsp -real time streaming protocol-), then again, a decision that has to be related to the narrative and thats an aspect perhaps the person from ACM wanted to undesrtand.(?) /a -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.1904.cc/pipermail/aether/attachments/20070730/7aed4521/attachment.html From cymnet at [nospam] gmail.com Tue Jul 31 09:35:19 2007 From: cymnet at [nospam] gmail.com (cym net) Date: Tue, 31 Jul 2007 09:35:19 +0200 Subject: [aether] RE : Re: RE : tonight at 22 CEST In-Reply-To: <153756.6777.qm {a+} web26604.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> References: <95c795f70707300417m4f162e56hdf5546e7f4435969 {a+} mail.gmail.com> <153756.6777.qm {a+} web26604.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <95c795f70707310035l46fd2bf1yed7224891b9303cf {a+} mail.gmail.com> On 7/30/07, fougeras nathalie wrote: > > no problem Cym > > > smoothly... and then we went for a beer that turned > > out to be very a > > very inspiring one, so we had another one :-) > i hope it was a good beer party :) > not a beer party, just two beers and an interesting conversation about virtual spaces. you can see the photos and read the documentation of the night at http://www2.arnes.si/~rrusja/stnord07-1.htm#30 (oh, i cannot disappear anywhere anymore, all my moves are documented...) > > > > We can try again when there is more time, no problem > i think Paul would like btry again and test sound too > me i would like test Pd seriously ;-) > you worked with Luka > so do you have a notice to follow in order play with > this patch > tx Are you trying to run the patch with PD on windows or linux? Or mac, is there a version of PD for mac? I think this pd-patch was only tested on Debian linux so far, i have no idea if it will run also on other platforms cym > > natali > > > > > cym > > > > From theleague at [nospam] imaginaryscience.org Tue Jul 31 18:51:22 2007 From: theleague at [nospam] imaginaryscience.org (The League of Imaginary Scientists) Date: Tue, 31 Jul 2007 18:51:22 +0200 Subject: [aether] Re : Re : Thoughts, and a riddle In-Reply-To: <194141.62144.qm {a+} web50205.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Message-ID: Greetings to the aether, I am following along with this discussion ? in the next month it will be quite difficult for me to meet and ?play? - am in production on a film and installing a new interactive show, but will try. - Lucy of the League On 7/27/07 9:39 AM, "::audrey::" wrote: > thanx for the summary/synthesis manu - very helpful. > > i agree that we should rehearse during these next weeks if/when possible for > some of us. > > the feedback from ACM is very interesting. seems to be a general concensus > about: > "the paper provides enough details of how interaction with the work occurs: > no (0)" > > this is interesting because it does reflect our recent comments to each other > (and from the outside) about interaction be it with one another or between > frames or... > > concerning making a video - i'm not sure how you planned to do that, who, > when, with what material etc, and i know it's usually a 'one person job' - but > i can offer my services there if needed. > > i looked for the proposal you submitted to ACM on the wiki but couldn't find > it. it would be helpful to read it after reading the comments. > > concerning the french report: > ce fut tres utile pour moi de le lire, pour comprendre un peu ou vous > envisagez le futur. le rapport est detaille au niveau technique, les images > sont tres bien integres et expliquent bien le projet. au niveau conceptuel > c'etait pas aussi fort (j'aurais aime voir + de contenu par exemple de la > presentation que tu as faite a geneve au debut du workshop -- historique, > raison d'etre, un peu de theorie). au fait je ne sais pas pourquoi ce rapport > a ete fait donc p-e ce n'etait pas dutout le but et veuillez excuser mes > commentaires si c'est le cas. une section que j'ai trouve un peu moins > convainquante et celle des developpements envisages. > "Il est m?me envisageable que le spectateur ait ? sa disposition un ?panneau > de commandes?, lui permettant d?intervenir sur la disposition des fen?tres ou > sur des param?tres visuels (luminosit?, contraste, angles de cam?ra, etc)." > je suis toujours tres sceptique des elements 'interactifs' qui ne semblent de > ne pas avoir de but sauf l'interactivite en soit. il serait important > d'?laborer pourquoi tel ou tel niveau d'interactivit? ? rapport au projet. > > voila. those were my thoughts. it is welcome to openly critique right? just > want to make sure i'm not stepping on anyone's toes. i'm easily 'critically' > excitable :) > > my availability in august: > berlin august 1st-6th (can communicate - not practice/rehearse) > hungary august 9th-?(16th) (incommunicado) > the rest is open. > > audrey|ideacritik > > > > > > > > > ----- Message initial ---- > De : "1.1 [*] 1904.cc" <1.1 [*] 1904.cc> > ? : //// collaborative networked performance //// > Envoy? le : jeudi 26 juillet 2007, 18 h 51 min 54 s > Objet : [aether] Re : Thoughts, and a riddle > > > > rid?dle 2 (rdl) > n. > 1. A question or statement requiring thought to > answer or understand; a conundrum. > 2. One that is perplexing; an enigma. > > > > message contents: > > 1. short reminder of the recent general comments > 2. some news (project presentation in french, new HTML experiments...) > 3. interesting feedback from ACM Multimedia 2007 > > > > hi all, > i'm back from dortmund where i attended a highly > interesting workshop on (weather-)satellite > imagery interception. here in geneva the > situation is tensed for the moment, the city just > lost a major cultural hotspot, the 18-year-old > squat Rhino which was evicted on monday afternoon > by police forces. so much about the local news, > now back to the aether-relevant topics: > > 1. INTERNAL FEEDBACK: i'm listing here the main > points of the comments posted after the last > performance. > > Lucy/League: > - The first aether project still holds the most for me. > - timing is essential. Coordination of objects moved from frame to frame, etc > - live audio conference between us would help us to synchronize > - Instead of a new theme for each new project - > perhaps we could return to this study of an > object, of coordination, of passing items through > the frame and communicating more "physically" > with one other? > > Nathalie: > - synchronize more > - develop more clearly different parts of events with sounds > - Maybe we can imagine alternance between interaction and bubble world > > Cym: > - i would prefer to work on developing one > script/story board, and use it for each > performance. > - the script of the very first performance was good. > - shorter 5-10 min compositions/actions. > - the technical part should be working before the performance starts > - messages on a piece of paper > > Audrey: > - we are still quite disconnected during these > performances. (...) i feel that networked > performance does not make sense if there is no > real interaction between the members of the > network > - as cym noted, using text, written on a piece of > paper as we did in the first performance, was > really nice > - i imagine inmates passing each other notes > between jailcells, all being watched on > simultaneously by the jailguard on nine tiny > screens hooked up to those surveillance cameras > > Judy: > - a text on the software set-up could be posted on the Aether site > - Rehearsing pieces/scripts as modular pieces > until we flow with them is really necessary > > Luka: > - problem of transfer / translation of certain connections between > people > - concerning the technical aspects, i think it's > hard to unify technical aspects here > > a few comments: > - i'm in favor of working, as Cym proposes, on > shorter 5-10 min actions. But this doesn't solve > the question of the global, main theme/concept of > the performance. Also, obviously, during the last > performances, we did all the preparations in a > much too short time. Since for the moment no > performances are scheduled, we should use that > time to develop and rehearse regularly... > - the text documentation for the > technical/software part is slowly developing on > the wiki, but still has to become more complete. > - i also like the hand-written text, rather than > text superimposed on the picture by software > (which creates a too great distance IMO) > > > 2. NEWS: > > aether9 schematics (basic aether concept unveiled) > http://1904.cc/~aether/material/schema/aether9_schema03.jpg > > > recent aether9 project presentation (in french): > http://1904.cc/~aether/material/Aether9_dossier_FR.pdf > > > new HTML test with variable opacity (javascript): > http://1904.cc/aether/live/opacity/opak_fade_out.html > i'm also gonna check how this looks with cycling images... > > > 3. FEEDBACK FROM ACM MULTIMEDIA INTERACTIVE ARTS PROGRAM: > > They give a detailed and very interesting review > of our submission (wich consisted of this > document: > http://1904.cc/aether/material/PROJECT_STATEMENT.pdf > ) > Also they propose us to present a video in an > exhibition and online, which would be great of > course. Some postproduction work waits for us > now... > > --- > > Dear authors, > > apologies for the delayed information from our > side but we needed the time to carefully > investigate your submission with respect to > suitability as well as presentability. At the > end, the curatorial committee decided that a > performance cannot be presented life at this > years ACM MM arts exhibition. > > Yet, we could offer the option of presenting a > video of your artwork during the time of the > exhibition in a special room in the exhibition > space. This offer would also include a permanent > exhibition on the SIG MM video page, where not > only the video but also an up to four page paper > can be presented. Please have a look at the > current web environment for getting an idea > (http://www.sigmm.org/apache/video/). Please > note, the 2007 page which is currently under > development is the first where arts videos will > be incorporated too. The current format will be > the same only that the arts will get an > additional section. > > In case you are interested please get in touch > with Thomas Rist (tr at rz.fh-augsburg.de), who is > the local chair and thus handles all the > requirements for the exhibition. In case you are > interested in providing a video, you will receive > an additional email from Frank Nack > (Frank.nack at liris.cnrs.fr), who is responsible > for the video page at SIGMM. > > The results of the review process will be delivered in an additional mail. > > We do look forward to hearing from you soon > > Kindest regards > > --- > > ------- Reviews ----- > > ======= Review 1 ======= > >> > *** Suitability: Suitability for the ACM MM Art program: > Strong (8) > >> > *** Relevance: Relevance to the theme "I / You / Other": > Strong (8) > >> > *** Artistic merit: Please rate the artistic merit: > Good solid work of some artistic merit (8) > >> > *** Use of technology: Use of technology to support the artistic concept: > OK (6) > >> > *** Interaction: The paper provides enough >> >details of how interaction with the work > occurs: > yes (2) > >> > *** Technical merit: Technical merit > OK (6) > >> > *** Technical detail: The paper provides enough >> >technical details of how the work was built: > no (0) > >> > *** Organisation: Please rate the readability and organization of the >> paper: > Needs considerable work (4) > >> > *** Award: Nominate for best EXHIBITION PAPER award?: > no (0) > >> > *** Confidence: Confidence in your review >> >(based on your understanding of the paper and >> >familiarity with the subject matter): > Confident (8) > >> > *** Overall rating: Please provide an overall rate for the paper+art work: > Accept if room (marginal quality) (6) > >> > *** Overall rating art: Please rate the art work only: > Accept if room (marginal quality) (6) > >> > *** Overall rating paper: Please provide a rate for the paper: > Accept if room (marginal quality) (6) > >> > *** Summary: Summary of the proposal: > > Aether9 is a project that intends to offer a > framework for collaborative video performance > over the internet. > >> > *** Comments A: Comments for the authors: > > The idea of the project is appealing and very > relevant to the ACM MM Exhibition. Furthermore > the examples on the website are artistically > compelling. However, some issues should be > addressed for this project to be a definite "yes" > on my side: > > - This is obviously not the first and only video > collaborative project over the internet. The > authors should at leas mention some of the others > and make a case of why their approach is > different. > > - On the technical side not many details are > offered. The fact that Max/MSP and PD appear a > few times in the proposal but Jitter and GEM are > not even mentioned comes like a surprise on a > video proposal. I also wonder why the authors do > not share their software on their website in the > form of Max/PD patches and/or externals. > Promoting collaboration from "outside" the group > might be an interesting issue to explore. > > ======= Review 2 ======= > >> > *** Suitability: Suitability for the ACM MM Art program: > Strong (8) > >> > *** Relevance: Relevance to the theme "I / You / Other": > Strong (8) > >> > *** Artistic merit: Please rate the artistic merit: > Excellent work (10) > >> > *** Use of technology: Use of technology to support the artistic concept: > high (8) > >> > *** Interaction: The paper provides enough >> >details of how interaction with the work > occurs: > no (0) > >> > *** Technical merit: Technical merit > high (8) > >> > *** Technical detail: The paper provides enough >> >technical details of how the work was built: > no (0) > >> > *** Organisation: Please rate the readability and organization of the >> paper: > Needs considerable work (4) > >> > *** Award: Nominate for best EXHIBITION PAPER award?: > no (0) > >> > *** Confidence: Confidence in your review >> >(based on your understanding of the paper and >> >familiarity with the subject matter): > Confident (8) > >> > *** Overall rating: Please provide an overall rate for the paper+art work: > Accept if room (marginal quality) (6) > >> > *** Overall rating art: Please rate the art work only: > Definitely accept (very high quality) (10) > >> > *** Overall rating paper: Please provide a rate for the paper: > Likely reject (low quality) (4) > >> > *** Summary: Summary of the proposal: > > the paper describes a shared internet based > platform for a collaborative realtime video > environment. > >> > *** Comments A: Comments for the authors: > > the project appears to be a most interesting > approach to a shared video environment, that > relates to important concepts in the past, > utilising a sound technical approach with > available software and hardware components in > order to build an esay-to-use interface. > unfortunately, the provided information in > regards to technical solutions, both in the paper > and in the additional materials on the web site, > are too brief to give a good overview to the > piece. a coherent description of the final > artistic outcome and user experience is missing, > as well as information about how the proposed > environment facilitates visual and/or textbased > storytelling (as mentioned in the subtitle). > > the paper is certainly a very free interpretation > the ACM template, and unfortunately important > parts are either brief (introduction, technical > environment, user interface, evaluation etc) or > missing (proper citation and references). it is > recommended to revise the paper for final > submission. > > ======= Review 3 ======= > >> > *** Suitability: Suitability for the ACM MM Art program: > Not bad (6) > >> > *** Relevance: Relevance to the theme "I / You / Other": > Not bad (6) > >> > *** Artistic merit: Please rate the artistic merit: > Good solid work of some artistic merit (8) > >> > *** Use of technology: Use of technology to support the artistic concept: > high (8) > >> > *** Interaction: The paper provides enough >> >details of how interaction with the work > occurs: > no (0) > >> > *** Technical merit: Technical merit > OK (6) > >> > *** Technical detail: The paper provides enough >> >technical details of how the work was built: > no (0) > >> > *** Organisation: Please rate the readability and organization of the >> paper: > Needs considerable work (4) > >> > *** Award: Nominate for best EXHIBITION PAPER award?: > no (0) > >> > *** Confidence: Confidence in your review >> >(based on your understanding of the paper and >> >familiarity with the subject matter): > Confident (8) > >> > *** Overall rating: Please provide an overall rate for the paper+art work: > Accept if room (marginal quality) (6) > >> > *** Overall rating art: Please rate the art work only: > Accept (good quality) (8) > >> > *** Overall rating paper: Please provide a rate for the paper: > Likely reject (low quality) (4) > >> > *** Summary: Summary of the proposal: > > The paper describes the goals for an experiment > in collaborative storytelling through a networked > video transmission. A series of performances are > planned, but have not yet taken place. Mailing > lists and online discussions happen currently > between the collaborators. Seems a promising > approach but far to early to evaluate for an > exhibition. Unless a work in progress with open > outcome is acceptable for the exhibtion. > >> > *** Comments A: Comments for the authors: > > A promising approach and would be very > interesting how you develop the mechanisms of > collaboration for storytelling via internet and > new media. > > > ----------- > _______________________________________________ > aether mailing list > aether at [nospam] 1904.cc > http://lists.1904.cc/mailman/listinfo/aether > > > > > Combattez les m?chants pourriels... Le filtre SpamGuard vous aide ? lutter > efficacement contre les pourriels sur le Tout-nouveau Yahoo! 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