[aether] Re : Re : Thoughts, and a riddle

Tue Jul 31 18:51:22 CEST 2007

Greetings to the aether,  I am following along with this discussion  in the
next month it will be quite difficult for me to meet and ³play² - am in
production on a film and installing a new interactive show, but will try.  -
Lucy of the League

On 7/27/07 9:39 AM, "::audrey::" <ideacritik at [nospam] yahoo.ca> wrote:

> thanx for the summary/synthesis manu - very helpful.
> 
> i agree that we should rehearse during these next weeks if/when possible for
> some of us.
> 
> the feedback from ACM is very interesting. seems to be a general concensus
> about:
> "the paper provides enough details of how interaction with the work occurs:
> no (0)"
> 
> this is interesting because it does reflect our recent comments to each other
> (and from the outside) about interaction be it with one another or between
> frames or... 
> 
> concerning making a video - i'm not sure how you planned to do that, who,
> when, with what material etc, and i know it's usually a 'one person job' - but
> i can offer my services there if needed.
> 
> i looked for the proposal you submitted to ACM on the wiki but couldn't find
> it. it would be helpful to read it after reading the comments.
> 
> concerning the french report:
> ce fut tres utile pour moi de le lire, pour comprendre un peu ou vous
> envisagez le futur. le rapport est detaille au niveau technique, les images
> sont tres bien integres et expliquent bien le projet. au niveau conceptuel
> c'etait pas aussi fort (j'aurais aime voir + de contenu par exemple de la
> presentation que tu as faite a geneve au debut du workshop -- historique,
> raison d'etre, un peu de theorie). au fait je ne sais pas pourquoi ce rapport
> a ete fait donc p-e ce n'etait pas dutout le but et veuillez excuser mes
> commentaires si c'est le cas. une section que j'ai trouve un peu moins
> convainquante et celle des developpements envisages.
> "Il est même envisageable que le spectateur ait à sa disposition un ³panneau
> de commandes², lui permettant d¹intervenir sur la disposition des fenêtres ou
> sur des paramètres visuels (luminosité, contraste, angles de caméra, etc)."
> je suis toujours tres sceptique des elements 'interactifs' qui ne semblent de
> ne pas avoir de but sauf l'interactivite en soit. il serait important
> d'élaborer pourquoi tel ou tel niveau d'interactivité à rapport au projet.
> 
> voila. those were my thoughts. it is welcome to openly critique right? just
> want to make sure i'm not stepping on anyone's toes. i'm easily 'critically'
> excitable :)
> 
> my availability in august:
> berlin august 1st-6th (can communicate - not practice/rehearse)
> hungary august 9th-?(16th) (incommunicado)
> the rest is open.
> 
> audrey|ideacritik
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> Objet : [aether]  Re : Thoughts, and a riddle
> 
> 
> 
> rid·dle 2  (rdl)
> n.
> 1. A question or statement requiring thought to
> answer or understand; a conundrum.
> 2. One that is perplexing; an enigma.
> 
> 
> 
> message contents:
> 
> 1. short reminder of the recent general comments
> 2. some news (project presentation in french, new HTML experiments...)
> 3. interesting feedback from ACM Multimedia 2007
> 
> 
> 
> hi all,
> i'm back from dortmund where i attended a highly
> interesting workshop on (weather-)satellite
> imagery interception. here in geneva the
> situation is tensed for the moment, the city just
> lost a major cultural hotspot, the 18-year-old
> squat Rhino which was evicted on monday afternoon
> by police forces. so much about the local news,
> now back to the aether-relevant topics:
> 
> 1. INTERNAL FEEDBACK: i'm listing here the main
> points of the comments posted after the last
> performance.
> 
> Lucy/League:
> - The first aether project still holds the most for me.
> - timing is essential. Coordination of objects moved from frame to frame, etc
> - live audio conference between us would help us to synchronize
> - Instead of a new theme for each new project -
> perhaps we could return to this study of an
> object, of coordination, of passing items through
> the frame and communicating more "physically"
> with one other?
> 
> Nathalie:
> - synchronize more
> - develop more clearly different parts of events with sounds
> - Maybe we can imagine alternance between interaction and bubble world
> 
> Cym:
> - i would prefer to work on developing one
> script/story board, and use it for each
> performance.
> - the script of the very first performance was good.
> - shorter 5-10 min compositions/actions.
> - the technical part should be working before the performance starts
> - messages on a piece of paper
> 
> Audrey:
> - we are still quite disconnected during these
> performances. (...) i feel that networked
> performance does not make sense if there is no
> real interaction between the members of the
> network
> - as cym noted, using text, written on a piece of
> paper as we did in the first performance, was
> really nice
> - i imagine inmates passing each other notes
> between jailcells, all being watched on
> simultaneously by the jailguard on nine tiny
> screens hooked up to those surveillance cameras
> 
> Judy:
> - a text on the software set-up could be posted on the Aether site
> - Rehearsing  pieces/scripts as modular pieces
> until we flow with them is really necessary
> 
> Luka:
> - problem of transfer / translation of certain connections between
> people
> - concerning the technical aspects, i think it's
> hard to unify technical aspects here
> 
> a few comments:
> - i'm in favor of working, as Cym proposes, on
> shorter 5-10 min actions. But this doesn't solve
> the question of the global, main theme/concept of
> the performance. Also, obviously, during the last
> performances, we did all the preparations in a
> much too short time. Since for the moment no
> performances are scheduled, we should use that
> time to develop and rehearse regularly...
> - the text documentation for the
> technical/software part is slowly developing on
> the wiki, but still has to become more complete.
> - i also like the hand-written text, rather than
> text superimposed on the picture by software
> (which creates a too great distance IMO)
> 
> 
> 2. NEWS:
> 
> aether9 schematics (basic aether concept unveiled)
> http://1904.cc/~aether/material/schema/aether9_schema03.jpg
> <http://1904.cc/%7Eaether/material/schema/aether9_schema03.jpg>
> 
> recent aether9 project presentation (in french):
> http://1904.cc/~aether/material/Aether9_dossier_FR.pdf
> <http://1904.cc/%7Eaether/material/Aether9_dossier_FR.pdf>
> 
> new HTML test with variable opacity (javascript):
> http://1904.cc/aether/live/opacity/opak_fade_out.html
> i'm also gonna check how this looks with cycling images...
> 
> 
> 3. FEEDBACK FROM ACM MULTIMEDIA INTERACTIVE ARTS PROGRAM:
> 
> They give a detailed and very interesting review
> of our submission (wich consisted of this
> document: 
> http://1904.cc/aether/material/PROJECT_STATEMENT.pdf
> )
> Also they propose us to present a video in an
> exhibition and online, which would be great of
> course. Some postproduction work waits for us
> now...
> 
> ---
> 
> Dear authors,
> 
> apologies for the delayed information from our
> side but we needed the time to carefully
> investigate your submission with respect to
> suitability as well as presentability. At the
> end, the curatorial committee decided that a
> performance cannot be presented life at this
> years ACM MM arts exhibition.
> 
> Yet, we could offer the option of presenting a
> video of your artwork during the time of the
> exhibition in a special room in the exhibition
> space. This offer would also include a permanent
> exhibition on the SIG MM video page, where not
> only the video but also an up to four page paper
> can be presented. Please have a look at the
> current web environment for getting an idea
> (http://www.sigmm.org/apache/video/). Please
> note, the 2007 page which is currently under
> development is the first where arts videos will
> be incorporated too. The current format will be
> the same only that the arts will get an
> additional section.
> 
> In case you are interested please get in touch
> with Thomas Rist (tr at rz.fh-augsburg.de), who is
> the local chair and thus handles all the
> requirements for the exhibition. In case you are
> interested in providing a video, you will receive
> an additional email from Frank Nack
> (Frank.nack at liris.cnrs.fr), who is responsible
> for the video page at SIGMM.
> 
> The results of the review process will be delivered in an additional mail.
> 
> We do look forward to hearing from you soon
> 
> Kindest regards
> 
> ---
> 
> ------- Reviews -----
> 
> ======= Review 1 =======
> 
>> >  *** Suitability: Suitability for the ACM MM Art program:
> Strong (8)
> 
>> >  *** Relevance: Relevance to the theme "I / You / Other":
> Strong (8)
> 
>> >  *** Artistic merit: Please rate the artistic merit:
> Good solid work of some artistic merit (8)
> 
>> >  *** Use of technology: Use of technology to support the artistic concept:
> OK (6)
> 
>> >  *** Interaction: The paper provides enough
>> >details of how interaction with the work
> occurs:
> yes (2)
> 
>> >  *** Technical merit: Technical merit
> OK (6)
> 
>> >  *** Technical detail: The paper provides enough
>> >technical details of how the work was built:
> no (0)
> 
>> >  *** Organisation: Please rate the readability and organization of the
>> paper:
> Needs considerable work (4)
> 
>> >  *** Award: Nominate for best EXHIBITION PAPER award?:
> no (0)
> 
>> >  *** Confidence: Confidence in your review
>> >(based on your understanding of the paper and
>> >familiarity with the subject matter):
> Confident (8)
> 
>> >  *** Overall rating: Please provide an overall rate for the paper+art work:
> Accept if room (marginal quality) (6)
> 
>> >  *** Overall rating art: Please rate the art work only:
> Accept if room (marginal quality) (6)
> 
>> >  *** Overall rating paper: Please provide a rate for the paper:
> Accept if room (marginal quality) (6)
> 
>> >  *** Summary: Summary of the proposal:
> 
> Aether9 is a project that intends to offer a
> framework for collaborative video performance
> over the internet.
> 
>> >  *** Comments A: Comments for the authors:
> 
> The idea of the project is appealing and very
> relevant to the ACM MM Exhibition. Furthermore
> the examples on the website are artistically
> compelling. However, some issues should be
> addressed for this project to be a definite "yes"
> on my side:
> 
> - This is obviously not the first and only video
> collaborative project over the internet. The
> authors should at leas mention some of the others
> and make a case of why their approach is
> different.
> 
> - On the technical side not many details are
> offered. The fact that Max/MSP and PD appear a
> few times in the proposal but Jitter and GEM are
> not even mentioned comes like a surprise on a
> video proposal. I also wonder why the authors do
> not share their software on their website in the
> form of Max/PD patches and/or externals.
> Promoting collaboration from "outside" the group
> might be an interesting issue to explore.
> 
> ======= Review 2 =======
> 
>> >  *** Suitability: Suitability for the ACM MM Art program:
> Strong (8)
> 
>> >  *** Relevance: Relevance to the theme "I / You / Other":
> Strong (8)
> 
>> >  *** Artistic merit: Please rate the artistic merit:
> Excellent work (10)
> 
>> >  *** Use of technology: Use of technology to support the artistic concept:
> high (8)
> 
>> >  *** Interaction: The paper provides enough
>> >details of how interaction with the work
> occurs:
> no (0)
> 
>> >  *** Technical merit: Technical merit
> high (8)
> 
>> >  *** Technical detail: The paper provides enough
>> >technical details of how the work was built:
> no (0)
> 
>> >  *** Organisation: Please rate the readability and organization of the
>> paper:
> Needs considerable work (4)
> 
>> >  *** Award: Nominate for best EXHIBITION PAPER award?:
> no (0)
> 
>> >  *** Confidence: Confidence in your review
>> >(based on your understanding of the paper and
>> >familiarity with the subject matter):
> Confident (8)
> 
>> >  *** Overall rating: Please provide an overall rate for the paper+art work:
> Accept if room (marginal quality) (6)
> 
>> >  *** Overall rating art: Please rate the art work only:
> Definitely accept (very high quality) (10)
> 
>> >  *** Overall rating paper: Please provide a rate for the paper:
> Likely reject (low quality) (4)
> 
>> >  *** Summary: Summary of the proposal:
> 
> the paper describes a shared internet based
> platform for a collaborative realtime video
> environment.
> 
>> >  *** Comments A: Comments for the authors:
> 
> the project appears to be a most interesting
> approach to a shared video environment, that
> relates to important concepts in the past,
> utilising a sound technical approach with
> available software and hardware components in
> order to build an esay-to-use interface.
> unfortunately, the provided information in
> regards to technical solutions, both in the paper
> and in the additional materials on the web site,
> are too brief to give a good overview to the
> piece. a coherent description of the final
> artistic outcome and user experience is missing,
> as well as information about how the proposed
> environment facilitates visual and/or textbased
> storytelling (as mentioned in the subtitle).
> 
> the paper is certainly a very free interpretation
> the ACM template, and unfortunately important
> parts are either brief (introduction, technical
> environment, user interface, evaluation etc) or
> missing (proper citation and references). it is
> recommended to revise the paper for final
> submission.
> 
> ======= Review 3 =======
> 
>> >  *** Suitability: Suitability for the ACM MM Art program:
> Not bad (6)
> 
>> >  *** Relevance: Relevance to the theme "I / You / Other":
> Not bad (6)
> 
>> >  *** Artistic merit: Please rate the artistic merit:
> Good solid work of some artistic merit (8)
> 
>> >  *** Use of technology: Use of technology to support the artistic concept:
> high (8)
> 
>> >  *** Interaction: The paper provides enough
>> >details of how interaction with the work
> occurs:
> no (0)
> 
>> >  *** Technical merit: Technical merit
> OK (6)
> 
>> >  *** Technical detail: The paper provides enough
>> >technical details of how the work was built:
> no (0)
> 
>> >  *** Organisation: Please rate the readability and organization of the
>> paper:
> Needs considerable work (4)
> 
>> >  *** Award: Nominate for best EXHIBITION PAPER award?:
> no (0)
> 
>> >  *** Confidence: Confidence in your review
>> >(based on your understanding of the paper and
>> >familiarity with the subject matter):
> Confident (8)
> 
>> >  *** Overall rating: Please provide an overall rate for the paper+art work:
> Accept if room (marginal quality) (6)
> 
>> >  *** Overall rating art: Please rate the art work only:
> Accept (good quality) (8)
> 
>> >  *** Overall rating paper: Please provide a rate for the paper:
> Likely reject (low quality) (4)
> 
>> >  *** Summary: Summary of the proposal:
> 
> The paper describes the goals for an experiment
> in collaborative storytelling through a networked
> video transmission. A series of performances are
> planned, but have not yet taken place. Mailing
> lists and online discussions happen currently
> between the collaborators. Seems a promising
> approach but far to early to evaluate for an
> exhibition. Unless a work in progress with open
> outcome is acceptable for the exhibtion.
> 
>> >  *** Comments A: Comments for the authors:
> 
> A promising approach and would be very
> interesting how you develop the mechanisms of
> collaboration for storytelling via internet and
> new media.
> 
> 
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