From ms at [nospam] n3krozoft.com Fri May 4 18:23:29 2007 From: ms at [nospam] n3krozoft.com (ms) Date: Fri, 4 May 2007 18:23:29 +0200 Subject: [aether] test message Message-ID: does this work?? From 1.1 [*] 1904.cc Sun May 6 21:57:07 2007 From: 1.1 [*] 1904.cc (1.1 [*] 1904.cc) Date: Sun, 6 May 2007 21:57:07 +0200 Subject: [aether] it seems the list is working... Message-ID: isn't it? From cym at cym.net Sun May 6 22:04:41 2007 From: cym at cym.net (cym) Date: Sun, 6 May 2007 16:04:41 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [aether] it seems the list is working... In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: yes it is On Sun, 6 May 2007 1.1 [*] 1904.cc wrote: > isn't it? > _______________________________________________ > aether mailing list > aether at [nospam] 1904.cc > http://lists.1904.cc/mailman/listinfo/aether > From 1.1 [*] 1904.cc Sun May 6 23:57:54 2007 From: 1.1 [*] 1904.cc (1.1 [*] 1904.cc) Date: Sun, 6 May 2007 23:57:54 +0200 Subject: [aether] img refresh In-Reply-To: <397313.83199.qm {a+} web50208.mail.re2.yahoo.com> References: <397313.83199.qm {a+} web50208.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Message-ID: the headers dont seem to have any effect but i found another workaround it looks like it's refreshing in a satisfying way now... you can try here: http://www.1904.cc/~aether/control_panel.html best, manuel From fe2cruz at [nospam] hotmail.com Mon May 7 09:03:58 2007 From: fe2cruz at [nospam] hotmail.com (christiaan cruz) Date: Mon, 7 May 2007 00:03:58 -0700 Subject: [aether] html seems to work good Message-ID: The html works good so far. You N3krozofties are FAST! The console window doesn't pop up to the correct size though; usually too small. Is there anything else you need help with? Any specific feedback, beta testing calls/submissions or dirty work? Please let me know. -christiaan -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.1904.cc/pipermail/aether/attachments/20070507/5dd8fd02/attachment.html From 1.1 [*] 1904.cc Mon May 7 11:14:24 2007 From: 1.1 [*] 1904.cc (1.1 [*] 1904.cc) Date: Mon, 7 May 2007 11:14:24 +0200 Subject: [aether] html seems to work good In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: >The html works good so far. You N3krozofties are FAST! >The console window doesn't pop up to the correct >size though; usually too small. depends probably how your toolbars look like. anyway, the intended setup is double screen: the video frames in full screen, projected. the control window on a control monitor. so the resize is not really needed, just practical for testing on 1 small screen. >Is there anything else you need help with? >Any specific feedback, beta testing >calls/submissions or dirty work? - FEEDBACK: think of what else should/could be implemented in this "html-patch". the principle for now is: one main frame - http://www.1904.cc/~aether/mainframe.html which is divided in a number of subframes (for now six) for each location, there are different versions of subframes with different refresh speed (for now three) e.g. http://www.1904.cc/~aether/frame_brussels_m.html (m: medium speed, 1sec refresh) I attach the zipped html files so you can test in your computer... one function that needs to be implemented would be to change the frame color of one video in order to highlight it - just a different html page, or could this be done in a smart way, like a javascript link that changes style settings of target frame on mouseclick? another function i would like to test is a "hi-speed" mode: a html page where the jpegs would be placed in different layers, only one of them visible at a time, and where the page would cycle through them at very high speed (its quite easy to do using dreamweavers timeline function). there would be no refresh in this mode since refresh needs more time. - BETA TESTING: yes, please test this HTML refresh mode by uploading some pictures and seeing if they refresh instantly as they should. using for the moment the following directories: http://artslashmedia.net/~aether/z/0z.jpg (select:Sydney) http://artslashmedia.net/~aether/g/1g.jpg (select:Brussels) http://artslashmedia.net/~aether/e/2e.jpg (select:Geneva) Also, we should test the different existing webcam-2-ftp softwares. Window users should give a try to these open-source softs: http://lundie.ca/fwink/ http://www.webcam2000.info/ tell us if they work, and how the .pngs or .jpgs are going the be named - this will allow me the include the good filepath into the HTML page. - CALLS/SUBMISSIONS yes, you are all very welcome to look for opportunities to present this project elsewhere, write submissions, fill out forms etc. if someone of you is volunteering for this job, i will be glad to transmit all the text material we have. The Virginia Beach proposal looks very interesting, the detailed specifications are here: http://www.vbgov.com/file_source/dept/cvd/Documents/OFCA-7-0002%20Complete%20RFP%20Package.pdf Deadline for application is: May 18. looking forward, manuel -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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And we'll try be on IRC as much as possible to answer and ask questions. http://eclectictechcarnival.org/webcam.html irc.indymedia.org #etc Donna _______________________________________________ Ascii-announce mailing list See http://scii.nl/ for more info about ASCII Internetworkplace, Amsterdam rss: http://scii.nl/events/current/RSS ical: http://scii.nl/ascii.ics From ideacritik at [nospam] yahoo.ca Mon May 7 13:48:49 2007 From: ideacritik at [nospam] yahoo.ca (::audrey::) Date: Mon, 7 May 2007 04:48:49 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [aether] Re : [Ascii-announce] webcam (fwd) Message-ID: <42647.90194.qm {a+} web50209.mail.re2.yahoo.com> cym wrote: >the people from ascii have a webcam running today, see below. >if you need help how to set up a webcam using free software, i am sure they can help. they're ususally using linux only. small world. i'm on irc for remote support. *however* i just wanted to say that there will indeed be workshops all afternoon/evening (which will be shown via the webcam), but *not* on the subject of streaming. they will be quite busy and most likely not be able to answer unrelated questions (until much later). there is always #ascii channel on irc.indymedia.org which might be a better alternative or even better, #altred on freenode.net (alejo's hood) which is devoted to streaming (webcams 4 linux). audrey ---------- Forwarded message ---------- Date: Mon, 7 May 2007 11:48:10 +0200 (CEST) To: gca at genderchangers.org, etc-int at eclectictechcarnival.org Cc: ascii-announce at squat.net Subject: [Ascii-announce] webcam Hi, There will be a webcam following the workshop at the Gender Changers workshops today from 14:00 - 22:00 (GMT +2). If all goes well a JPG refresh every 5 seconds. And we'll try be on IRC as much as possible to answer and ask questions. http://eclectictechcarnival.org/webcam.html irc.indymedia.org #etc Donna _______________________________________________ Ascii-announce mailing list See http://scii.nl/ for more info about ASCII Internetworkplace, Amsterdam rss: http://scii.nl/events/current/RSS ical: http://scii.nl/ascii.ics _______________________________________________ aether mailing list aether at [nospam] 1904.cc http://lists.1904.cc/mailman/listinfo/aether Le tout nouveau Yahoo! Courriel. Consultez vos fils RSS depuis votre bo?te de r?ception. http://us.rd.yahoo.com/evt=40705/*http://mrd.mail.yahoo.com/try_beta?.intl=cf -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.1904.cc/pipermail/aether/attachments/20070507/290ceb48/attachment.html From 1.1 [*] 1904.cc Tue May 8 16:20:50 2007 From: 1.1 [*] 1904.cc (1.1 [*] 1904.cc) Date: Tue, 08 May 2007 16:20:50 +0200 Subject: [aether] control interface update In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <20070508162050.l19y3nwxgggcss0k {a+} webmail.1904.cc> hi all, a new sexy html controller is online. check it out here: http://www.1904.cc/~aether/control_panel2.html it should be quite intuitive, the numbered arrows will make the images refresh at different speed (1=slow, 3=fast). most of the frames are still void, waiting for your images to be uploaded. to test realtime upload you can use the lastest version of the max patch (v.101), which you can find here: http://1904.cc/~aether/upload_101.pat.zip or you can use the webcam2ftp software of your choice pointing to the following servers (from left to right and from top to bottom): http://1904.cc/~aether/k/ (images named 0k.jpg - 9k.jpg) http://1904.cc/~aether/l/ (images named 0l.jpg - 9l.jpg) http://1904.cc/~aether/m/ (images named 0m.jpg - 9m.jpg) http://10111.org/~aether/0/ (images named 0x.jpg - 9x.jpg) http://10111.org/~aether/1/ (images named 0x.jpg - 9x.jpg) http://10111.org/~aether/x/ (images named 0x.jpg - 9x.jpg) if you use a webcam software that has a non-customisable naming scheme, tell me how the images are named and we will make a specific frame for this. btw we are still awaiting user reports about this two windows webcam softs: http://lundie.ca/fwink/ http://www.webcam2000.info/ we could fix an appointment for this evening or some other day to do a sort of jam session... ps: for all those who subscribed during the last 24 hours, check the list archives for the posts you missed : http://lists.1904.cc/pipermail/aether/ best, manuel From fougeras_nathalie at [nospam] yahoo.fr Wed May 9 19:33:20 2007 From: fougeras_nathalie at [nospam] yahoo.fr (fougeras nathalie) Date: Wed, 9 May 2007 19:33:20 +0200 (CEST) Subject: [aether] RE : aether Digest, Vol 1, Issue 3 In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <357901.94969.qm {a+} web26612.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> Hi all, Thanks Manuel for this new patch I will try test it soon so you write soon cheers Nathalie --- aether-request at [nospam] 1904.cc a ?crit : > Send aether mailing list submissions to > aether at [nospam] 1904.cc > > To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, > visit > http://lists.1904.cc/mailman/listinfo/aether > or, via email, send a message with subject or body > 'help' to > aether-request at [nospam] 1904.cc > > You can reach the person managing the list at > aether-owner at [nospam] 1904.cc > > When replying, please edit your Subject line so it > is more specific > than "Re: Contents of aether digest..." > > > Today's Topics: > > 1. control interface update (1.1 [*] 1904.cc) > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Message: 1 > Date: Tue, 08 May 2007 16:20:50 +0200 > From: 1.1 [*] 1904.cc > Subject: [aether] control interface update > To: aether at [nospam] 1904.cc > Message-ID: > <20070508162050.l19y3nwxgggcss0k at webmail.1904.cc> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; > DelSp="Yes"; > format="flowed" > > hi all, > > a new sexy html controller is online. > check it out here: > http://www.1904.cc/~aether/control_panel2.html > > it should be quite intuitive, the numbered arrows > will make the images > refresh at different speed (1=slow, 3=fast). > most of the frames are still void, waiting for your > images to be uploaded. > > to test realtime upload you can use the lastest > version of the max > patch (v.101), which you can find here: > http://1904.cc/~aether/upload_101.pat.zip > > or you can use the webcam2ftp software of your > choice pointing to the > following servers (from left to right and from top > to bottom): > > http://1904.cc/~aether/k/ (images named 0k.jpg - > 9k.jpg) > http://1904.cc/~aether/l/ (images named 0l.jpg - > 9l.jpg) > http://1904.cc/~aether/m/ (images named 0m.jpg - > 9m.jpg) > > http://10111.org/~aether/0/ (images named 0x.jpg - > 9x.jpg) > http://10111.org/~aether/1/ (images named 0x.jpg - > 9x.jpg) > http://10111.org/~aether/x/ (images named 0x.jpg - > 9x.jpg) > > if you use a webcam software that has a > non-customisable naming > scheme, tell me how the images are named and we will > make a specific > frame for this. btw we are still awaiting user > reports about this two > windows webcam softs: > http://lundie.ca/fwink/ > http://www.webcam2000.info/ > > we could fix an appointment for this evening or some > other day to do a > sort of jam session... > > ps: for all those who subscribed during the last 24 > hours, check the > list archives for the posts you missed : > http://lists.1904.cc/pipermail/aether/ > > best, > manuel > > > > ------------------------------ > > _______________________________________________ > aether mailing list > aether at [nospam] 1904.cc > http://lists.1904.cc/mailman/listinfo/aether > > > End of aether Digest, Vol 1, Issue 3 > ************************************ > ___________________________________________________________________________ D?couvrez une nouvelle fa?on d'obtenir des r?ponses ? toutes vos questions ! 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Questions/R?ponses http://fr.answers.yahoo.com From ciruela at [nospam] une.net.co Wed May 9 20:30:29 2007 From: ciruela at [nospam] une.net.co (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?Paula_V=E9lez_Bravo?=) Date: Wed, 09 May 2007 13:30:29 -0500 Subject: [aether] sending testing Message-ID: http://www.1904.cc/~aether/frame_k/frame_k_sl.html i'm using thenue patch. trying to understand and send in chanel k, some images. i don't know if you are recibing this test. tnk paula From ideacritik at [nospam] yahoo.ca Wed May 9 20:49:31 2007 From: ideacritik at [nospam] yahoo.ca (::audrey::) Date: Wed, 9 May 2007 11:49:31 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [aether] Re : sending testing Message-ID: <883787.7500.qm {a+} web50209.mail.re2.yahoo.com> i am receiving. images from the ocean(?) the refresh every 3seconds or so, around 4-5 different images i think. ----- Message initial ---- De : Paula V?lez Bravo ? : aether at [nospam] 1904.cc Envoy? le : mercredi 9 mai 2007, 20 h 30 min 29 s Objet : [aether] sending testing http://www.1904.cc/~aether/frame_k/frame_k_sl.html i'm using thenue patch. trying to understand and send in chanel k, some images. i don't know if you are recibing this test. tnk paula _______________________________________________ aether mailing list aether at [nospam] 1904.cc http://lists.1904.cc/mailman/listinfo/aether Changez de t?te et de tenue tous les jours si vous le voulez ! Volez la vedette sur Yahoo! Qu?bec Avatars http://cf.avatars.yahoo.com/ -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.1904.cc/pipermail/aether/attachments/20070509/a2ba457b/attachment.html From daphne at garagecube.com Wed May 9 21:14:39 2007 From: daphne at garagecube.com (Daphne Dornbierer) Date: Wed, 9 May 2007 21:14:39 +0200 Subject: [aether] =?iso-8859-1?q?g=E9nial_qui_l=27aurais_cru?= Message-ID: <67FB63FC-BE63-4F51-97A5-AB6351FCE9A7 {a+} garagecube.com> yop tout le monde. j'ai r?ussi (qui l'aurais cru) j 'esp?re en vois qq chose? Daphne le metamolusque et d?sole pour mon fran?ais un petit peux pas parfait From ciruela at [nospam] une.net.co Wed May 9 21:11:53 2007 From: ciruela at [nospam] une.net.co (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?Paula_V=E9lez_Bravo?=) Date: Wed, 09 May 2007 14:11:53 -0500 Subject: [aether] good test so Message-ID: audrey: cool. alors, la question est ... je suis en train d'envoyer normalement autour de 33 images differents. fluides d'une femme avec un bonnet blanc sur la figure dans la mer... il faut encore ameliorer le systeme. l'ideal est d'avoir des images fluides dej?. mais c'est tr?s interesant quand m?me. salut. PAula From cym at cym.net Wed May 9 21:26:25 2007 From: cym at cym.net (cym) Date: Wed, 9 May 2007 15:26:25 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [aether] sending testing In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: hello, sorry i had no time to test anything anymore after the performance. too many other projects waiting to be finished. but i am watching your test now, seems to work. are you sending something live now, or is it just a loop, repeating all the time? when i open the new controlpanel all six channels are changing every few seconds. looks nice. but i cannot tell if these signals are live or just repeating loops. cym On Wed, 9 May 2007, [ISO-8859-1] Paula V?lez Bravo wrote: > http://www.1904.cc/~aether/frame_k/frame_k_sl.html > > > i'm using thenue patch. trying to understand and send in chanel k, > some images. > i don't know if you are recibing this test. > > tnk > > paula > _______________________________________________ > aether mailing list > aether at [nospam] 1904.cc > http://lists.1904.cc/mailman/listinfo/aether > From daphne at garagecube.com Wed May 9 21:37:38 2007 From: daphne at garagecube.com (Daphne Dornbierer) Date: Wed, 9 May 2007 21:37:38 +0200 Subject: [aether] testing Message-ID: <040415CC-9553-4C38-84A4-3BED63DD7BC2 {a+} garagecube.com> Hi, i uploaded a movie of 15 sec its not a live ( anymore ) i think its on the server. Manu how many time does it save on the server before it starts at the beginning of the live play? thanks in advance Metamolusque From ciruela at [nospam] une.net.co Thu May 10 01:43:25 2007 From: ciruela at [nospam] une.net.co (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?Paula_V=E9lez_Bravo?=) Date: Wed, 09 May 2007 18:43:25 -0500 Subject: [aether] fluxus In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: it works beter at speed 2. anyway there are only, maybe, 5 frames... i don't know, maybe 9... and i was trying to send 33 frames. to put it more fluide. not so interrupted. because we can not talk about movement or video. it is diaphorama. then we have to concive something to play the material this way. unfortunaly we can not play with the "persistence retinnienne" in any way if things work like this. paula El 9/05/2007, a las 15:39, 1.1 [*] 1904.cc escribi?: > hi paula, > > it looks like it worked, ad least i see some new super-8 images > from the beach (in window k). > > did you make the window play at speed 1 or 2? > > i mean, from the control window at http://www.1904.cc/~aether/ > control_panel2.html > you first open (click) of course the "mainframe" > then you choose speed 1 or 2 - i noticed that at speed 3 the images > dont really refresh anymore. probably its too fast and the page > cannot execute the javascript ?... > > for the jam session, > i'm going to post some proposals to the list. > > ciao, > manuel > > >> Manuel: >> i'm using, trying to use teh new controler. >> i upload somme images. but in the main panel it looks like the K >> place is not working when i send the images. >> >> i'm usin the isigh camera web from my macBookpro. dont' know >> exactly how can i use the transmiter web cam from the links you sent. >> >> i dont know how to use the servers. when i clic it appears: >> forbiden, you dont have authorisation to use the server. >> >> i'm ready to a jam session. 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i propose this: 10 PM in europe = 1 PM in california = 3 PM in colombia = 6 AM in australia (poor australia.. one hour later would be possible too..) and btw a new patch is here: http://1904.cc/kode/upload_103.pat.zip it works at a smaller size (the actual size at which the images are displayed on the web interface) and there is a control of the speed of the video (can be useful to slow it down, to match the upload speed...) best, manuel >it works beter at speed 2. >anyway there are only, maybe, 5 frames... i don't know, maybe 9... >and i was trying to send 33 frames. to put it more fluide. not so >interrupted. because we can not talk about movement or video. it is >diaphorama. then we have to concive something to play the material >this way. >unfortunaly we can not play with the "persistence retinnienne" in any >way if things work like this. > >paula > > >El 9/05/2007, a las 15:39, 1.1 [*] 1904.cc escribi?: > >> hi paula, >> >> it looks like it worked, ad least i see some new super-8 images >> from the beach (in window k). >> >> did you make the window play at speed 1 or 2? >> > > i mean, from the control window at http://www.1904.cc/~aether/ >> control_panel2.html >> you first open (click) of course the "mainframe" >> then you choose speed 1 or 2 - i noticed that at speed 3 the images >> dont really refresh anymore. probably its too fast and the page >> cannot execute the javascript ?... >> >> for the jam session, >> i'm going to post some proposals to the list. >> >> ciao, > > manuel >> From daphne at garagecube.com Thu May 10 13:18:34 2007 From: daphne at garagecube.com (Daphne Dornbierer) Date: Thu, 10 May 2007 13:18:34 +0200 Subject: [aether] fluxus / live session proposal In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Hi manu, Sorry but i have already a appointment so i want be abel to participate(( But i'm looking forward to see the result )) best regards Metamolusque Am 10.05.2007 um 11:17 schrieb 1.1 [*] 1904.cc: > hi, thanks for the comments, > > indeed we could implement a version with a longer loop, like 33 > frames. > the reason of having only 9 images is that there > will be a quicker "live" refresh. with 33 images, > you will cycle a lot through the same images > before you see anything new. > but we have to test it. > also, for the persistance retinienne, i will try > to build this hi-speed htmlpage. > but it seems also clear that at higher speeds, > even the javascript-code isn't able to refresh > the images correctly... still a trick has to be > found > > proposal for a jam session: > date: this friday, title: "electronic cafe international" > concept: broadcast from a caf?/ public location > with internet access, using possibly a mobile > computing device (of course exceptions are > possible for locations where showing up publicly > with a laptop would endanger your security..) > please send a mail to tell if you will > participate, then i'll attribute the frames. > > what's the best global performance time? > i propose this: 10 PM in europe = 1 PM in > california = 3 PM in colombia = 6 AM in australia > (poor australia.. one hour later would be possible too..) > > and btw a new patch is here: http://1904.cc/kode/upload_103.pat.zip > it works at a smaller size (the actual size at > which the images are displayed on the web > interface) > and there is a control of the speed of the video > (can be useful to slow it down, to match the > upload speed...) > > > best, > manuel > > > >> it works beter at speed 2. >> anyway there are only, maybe, 5 frames... i don't know, maybe 9... >> and i was trying to send 33 frames. to put it more fluide. not so >> interrupted. because we can not talk about movement or video. it is >> diaphorama. then we have to concive something to play the material >> this way. >> unfortunaly we can not play with the "persistence retinnienne" in any >> way if things work like this. >> >> paula >> >> >> El 9/05/2007, a las 15:39, 1.1 [*] 1904.cc escribi?: >> >>> hi paula, >>> >>> it looks like it worked, ad least i see some new super-8 images >>> from the beach (in window k). >>> >>> did you make the window play at speed 1 or 2? >>> >>> i mean, from the control window at http://www.1904.cc/~aether/ >>> control_panel2.html >>> you first open (click) of course the "mainframe" >>> then you choose speed 1 or 2 - i noticed that at speed 3 the images >>> dont really refresh anymore. probably its too fast and the page >>> cannot execute the javascript ?... >>> >>> for the jam session, >>> i'm going to post some proposals to the list. >>> >>> ciao, >>> manuel >>> > _______________________________________________ > aether mailing list > aether at [nospam] 1904.cc > http://lists.1904.cc/mailman/listinfo/aether > From ideacritik at [nospam] yahoo.ca Thu May 10 14:12:15 2007 From: ideacritik at [nospam] yahoo.ca (::audrey::) Date: Thu, 10 May 2007 05:12:15 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [aether] Re : fluxus / live session proposal Message-ID: <633890.64255.qm {a+} web50203.mail.re2.yahoo.com> >indeed we could implement a version with a longer loop, like 33 frames. the reason of having only 9 images is that there will be a quicker "live" refresh. with 33 images, you will cycle a lot through the same images before you see anything new. but we have to test it. also, for the persistance retinienne, i will try to build this hi-speed htmlpage. but it seems also clear that at higher speeds, even the javascript-code isn't able to refresh the images correctly... still a trick has to be found ok. bypass the refresh and the re-direct. attached code to tell browser to get image every x mmseconds. in the code here: /* the magic call that tells the browser (window) to call the changeimage function every 1000ms (1 sec) */ window.setInterval(changeimage, 1000); the url of the photos on the server change for each square, these have to be changed in the code also. for now i have: "http://www.1904.cc/~aether/frame_k/0k.jpg" (0-9) it has to be tested to see how many images the array can take, the buffer size, etc. if you give me the correct url for the photos i can do this... in any case, for now attached code (html + javascript only), comments are very explicative, curtosy of a mate... audrey Le tout nouveau Yahoo! 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URL: http://lists.1904.cc/pipermail/aether/attachments/20070510/e027f479/attachment-0001.html From 1.1 [*] 1904.cc Thu May 10 16:14:48 2007 From: 1.1 [*] 1904.cc (1.1 [*] 1904.cc) Date: Thu, 10 May 2007 16:14:48 +0200 Subject: [aether] code investigation In-Reply-To: <633890.64255.qm {a+} web50203.mail.re2.yahoo.com> References: <633890.64255.qm {a+} web50203.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Message-ID: hi audrey, thanks for the code. indeed it does cycle the images nicely, but it doesnt force the browser to reload them. the only javascript i found until now that actually FORCES the browser to refresh the images is using the "math.random" function, which is currently implented in the test.mainframe... but which doesnt work at high-speed (500 milisecond)... and actually a really nice hi-speed should be faster, something like 100 milisecond (10 fps) at least... so maybe for having higher cycling speeds, we could imagine a sort of hybrid code. it could refresh the images on load, then cycle them at hispeed for some time, then refresh again once a while.... keep on the good work. best, manuel ps: the url for the photos are: "http://www.1904.cc/~aether/k/1k.jpg", "http://www.1904.cc/~aether/k/2k.jpg", "http://www.1904.cc/~aether/k/3k.jpg", etc etc.. "http://www.1904.cc/~aether/l/3l.jpg" etc... "http://www.1904.cc/~aether/m/3m.jpg" etc... "http://10111.org/~aether/0/0x.jpg" etc "http://10111.org/~aether/1/0x.jpg" etc "http://10111.org/~aether/x/0x.jpg" etc pps: somebody sent me this, a project a bit similar to ours. have a look: Orbita Project (2004-2005): http://www.saramalinarich.net/orbita/spain.htm INTACT Project (2005-2007): http://www.intact01.net Since 2004, we are working about telematic performance, using multicast videoconference system to make teleshared actions in real time, inviting to other artists to participate (from France, Sweden, Chile, Spain). Actually, we are working on INTACT PROJECT (Interface for the Teleshared Action). "It is a proposal for investigation and development in the field of cyber culture, oriented towards the collaborative and interactive creation through the internet. The aim is to give incitements to reflection and experimentation in the area of the Art of Action, through multicast session video conferences among artists located in different places around the world. In this sense, the INTACT project spreads over the scenic arts as well as the visual arts and the new technologies." [fragment of the project] > > >ok. bypass the refresh and the re-direct. >attached code to tell browser to get image every x mmseconds. >in the code here: >/* the magic call that tells the browser (window) > to call the changeimage function every 1000ms (1 sec) */ > window.setInterval(changeimage, 1000); >the url of the photos on the server change for each square, these >have to be changed in the code also. for now i have: >"http://www.1904.cc/~aether/frame_k/0k.jpg" >(0-9) > >it has to be tested to see how many images the array can take, the >buffer size, etc. if you give me the correct url for the photos i >can do this... in any case, for now attached code (html + javascript >only), comments are very explicative, curtosy of a mate... > >audrey > From fougeras_nathalie at [nospam] yahoo.fr Thu May 10 16:58:19 2007 From: fougeras_nathalie at [nospam] yahoo.fr (fougeras nathalie) Date: Thu, 10 May 2007 16:58:19 +0200 (CEST) Subject: [aether] RE : aether Digest, Vol 1, Issue 5 In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <366828.11165.qm {a+} web26613.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> Hi, I will like participate to the jam session with this new patch now in order to experimente it again..:) title for me it will be more :"electronic room international" ;-) thnaks to attribute me frames Manuel cheers Nathalie --- aether-request at [nospam] 1904.cc a ?crit : > Send aether mailing list submissions to > aether at [nospam] 1904.cc > > To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, > visit > http://lists.1904.cc/mailman/listinfo/aether > or, via email, send a message with subject or body > 'help' to > aether-request at [nospam] 1904.cc > > You can reach the person managing the list at > aether-owner at [nospam] 1904.cc > > When replying, please edit your Subject line so it > is more specific > than "Re: Contents of aether digest..." > > > Today's Topics: > > 1. fluxus / live session proposal (1.1 [*] 1904.cc) > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Message: 1 > Date: Thu, 10 May 2007 11:17:46 +0200 > From: 1.1 [*] 1904.cc > Subject: [aether] fluxus / live session proposal > To: //// collaborative networked performance //// > > Message-ID: > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" ; > format="flowed" > > hi, thanks for the comments, > > indeed we could implement a version with a longer > loop, like 33 frames. > the reason of having only 9 images is that there > will be a quicker "live" refresh. with 33 images, > you will cycle a lot through the same images > before you see anything new. > but we have to test it. > also, for the persistance retinienne, i will try > to build this hi-speed htmlpage. > but it seems also clear that at higher speeds, > even the javascript-code isn't able to refresh > the images correctly... still a trick has to be > found > > proposal for a jam session: > date: this friday, title: "electronic cafe > international" > concept: broadcast from a caf?/ public location > with internet access, using possibly a mobile > computing device (of course exceptions are > possible for locations where showing up publicly > with a laptop would endanger your security..) > please send a mail to tell if you will > participate, then i'll attribute the frames. > > what's the best global performance time? > i propose this: 10 PM in europe = 1 PM in > california = 3 PM in colombia = 6 AM in australia > (poor australia.. one hour later would be possible > too..) > > and btw a new patch is here: > http://1904.cc/kode/upload_103.pat.zip > it works at a smaller size (the actual size at > which the images are displayed on the web > interface) > and there is a control of the speed of the video > (can be useful to slow it down, to match the > upload speed...) > > > best, > manuel > > > > >it works beter at speed 2. > >anyway there are only, maybe, 5 frames... i don't > know, maybe 9... > >and i was trying to send 33 frames. to put it more > fluide. not so > >interrupted. because we can not talk about movement > or video. it is > >diaphorama. then we have to concive something to > play the material > >this way. > >unfortunaly we can not play with the "persistence > retinnienne" in any > >way if things work like this. > > > >paula > > > > > >El 9/05/2007, a las 15:39, 1.1 [*] 1904.cc escribi?: > > > >> hi paula, > >> > >> it looks like it worked, ad least i see some new > super-8 images > >> from the beach (in window k). > >> > >> did you make the window play at speed 1 or 2? > >> > > > i mean, from the control window at > http://www.1904.cc/~aether/ > >> control_panel2.html > >> you first open (click) of course the "mainframe" > >> then you choose speed 1 or 2 - i noticed that at > speed 3 the images > >> dont really refresh anymore. probably its too > fast and the page > >> cannot execute the javascript ?... > >> > >> for the jam session, > >> i'm going to post some proposals to the list. > >> > >> ciao, > > > manuel > >> > > > ------------------------------ > > _______________________________________________ > aether mailing list > aether at [nospam] 1904.cc > http://lists.1904.cc/mailman/listinfo/aether > > > End of aether Digest, Vol 1, Issue 5 > ************************************ > ___________________________________________________________________________ D?couvrez une nouvelle fa?on d'obtenir des r?ponses ? toutes vos questions ! Profitez des connaissances, des opinions et des exp?riences des internautes sur Yahoo! Questions/R?ponses http://fr.answers.yahoo.com From cym at cym.net Thu May 10 17:04:44 2007 From: cym at cym.net (cym) Date: Thu, 10 May 2007 11:04:44 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [aether] fluxus / live session proposal Message-ID: hello aethers! i could join the jamsession tomorrow if it is okay to join again with simple webcam2ftp software. i did not have any time since the performance to have a closer look at max and jitter, so for the moment i still depend on free webcam2ftp software. but i can try out different programs if there are any suggestions. and second, 10pm is too late for me to broadcast from a public location. (not for me, but i have a small son that should be in bed by that time..) if it is okay for you if i am sending images from a plastic toy train that is driving around endless circles on a plastic railroad track, then i will be happy to join you. and otherwise i will just watch the stream and join you on skype. greetings, cym On Thu, 10 May 2007 1.1 [*] 1904.cc wrote: > hi, thanks for the comments, > > proposal for a jam session: > date: this friday, title: "electronic cafe international" > concept: broadcast from a caf?/ public location > with internet access, using possibly a mobile > computing device (of course exceptions are > possible for locations where showing up publicly > with a laptop would endanger your security..) > please send a mail to tell if you will > participate, then i'll attribute the frames. > > what's the best global performance time? > i propose this: 10 PM in europe = 1 PM in > california = 3 PM in colombia = 6 AM in australia > (poor australia.. one hour later would be possible too..) > > and btw a new patch is here: http://1904.cc/kode/upload_103.pat.zip > it works at a smaller size (the actual size at > which the images are displayed on the web > interface) > and there is a control of the speed of the video > (can be useful to slow it down, to match the > upload speed...) > > > best, > manuel > > > > >it works beter at speed 2. > >anyway there are only, maybe, 5 frames... i don't know, maybe 9... > >and i was trying to send 33 frames. to put it more fluide. not so > >interrupted. because we can not talk about movement or video. it is > >diaphorama. then we have to concive something to play the material > >this way. > >unfortunaly we can not play with the "persistence retinnienne" in any > >way if things work like this. > > > >paula > > > > > >El 9/05/2007, a las 15:39, 1.1 [*] 1904.cc escribi?: > > > >> hi paula, > >> > >> it looks like it worked, ad least i see some new super-8 images > >> from the beach (in window k). > >> > >> did you make the window play at speed 1 or 2? > >> > > > i mean, from the control window at http://www.1904.cc/~aether/ > >> control_panel2.html > >> you first open (click) of course the "mainframe" > >> then you choose speed 1 or 2 - i noticed that at speed 3 the images > >> dont really refresh anymore. probably its too fast and the page > >> cannot execute the javascript ?... > >> > >> for the jam session, > >> i'm going to post some proposals to the list. > >> > >> ciao, > > > manuel > >> > _______________________________________________ > aether mailing list > aether at [nospam] 1904.cc > http://lists.1904.cc/mailman/listinfo/aether > From 1.1 [*] 1904.cc Thu May 10 17:59:44 2007 From: 1.1 [*] 1904.cc (1.1 [*] 1904.cc) Date: Thu, 10 May 2007 17:59:44 +0200 Subject: [aether] optimal settings Message-ID: after some testing with the current patch ( http://1904.cc/kode/upload_103.pat.zip ) i obtained best results in the following modes: - playing the window at speed 2 (= 1 img/sec) - uploading at interval "1 sec" (there is a safety measure in the patch now that should allow this, and probably the smaller image size helps) - playing a video file at rate 0.2 (use the slider) - like this the uploaded result looks like a slow-motion sequence and not like a slideshow... more experimental html soon! best, m From fe2cruz at [nospam] hotmail.com Thu May 10 19:41:49 2007 From: fe2cruz at [nospam] hotmail.com (christiaan cruz) Date: Thu, 10 May 2007 10:41:49 -0700 Subject: [aether] electronic cafe international 10PM in europe 1PM in california Message-ID: SOUNDS GREAT! I'm IN! Sorry too, for not being able to test or give much feedback. Been baby sitting and I fell off my bike too. anyway, let's stream! IRC channel or skype? does everyone have IRC software? Mozilla has a really nice chatzilla plugin Will this be a pure jam test session? no script or theme? -christiaan ---------------------------------------- > Message: 1 > Date: Thu, 10 May 2007 11:17:46 +0200 > From: 1.1 [*] 1904.cc > Subject: [aether] fluxus / live session proposal > To: //// collaborative networked performance //// > Message-ID: > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" ; format="flowed" > > hi, thanks for the comments, > > indeed we could implement a version with a longer loop, like 33 frames. > the reason of having only 9 images is that there > will be a quicker "live" refresh. with 33 images, > you will cycle a lot through the same images > before you see anything new. > but we have to test it. > also, for the persistance retinienne, i will try > to build this hi-speed htmlpage. > but it seems also clear that at higher speeds, > even the javascript-code isn't able to refresh > the images correctly... still a trick has to be > found > > proposal for a jam session: > date: this friday, title: "electronic cafe international" > concept: broadcast from a caf?/ public location > with internet access, using possibly a mobile > computing device (of course exceptions are > possible for locations where showing up publicly > with a laptop would endanger your security..) > please send a mail to tell if you will > participate, then i'll attribute the frames. > > what's the best global performance time? > i propose this: 10 PM in europe = 1 PM in > california = 3 PM in colombia = 6 AM in australia > (poor australia.. one hour later would be possible too..) > > and btw a new patch is here: http://1904.cc/kode/upload_103.pat.zip > it works at a smaller size (the actual size at > which the images are displayed on the web > interface) > and there is a control of the speed of the video > (can be useful to slow it down, to match the > upload speed...) > > > best, > manuel > > > > >it works beter at speed 2. > >anyway there are only, maybe, 5 frames... i don't know, maybe 9... > >and i was trying to send 33 frames. to put it more fluide. not so > >interrupted. because we can not talk about movement or video. it is > >diaphorama. then we have to concive something to play the material > >this way. > >unfortunaly we can not play with the "persistence retinnienne" in any > >way if things work like this. > > > >paula > > > > > >El 9/05/2007, a las 15:39, 1.1 [*] 1904.cc escribi?: > > > >> hi paula, > >> > >> it looks like it worked, ad least i see some new super-8 images > >> from the beach (in window k). > >> > >> did you make the window play at speed 1 or 2? > >> > > > i mean, from the control window at http://www.1904.cc/~aether/ > >> control_panel2.html > >> you first open (click) of course the "mainframe" > >> then you choose speed 1 or 2 - i noticed that at speed 3 the images > >> dont really refresh anymore. probably its too fast and the page > >> cannot execute the javascript ?... > >> > >> for the jam session, > >> i'm going to post some proposals to the list. > >> > >> ciao, > > > manuel > >> > > > ------------------------------ > > _______________________________________________ > aether mailing list > aether at [nospam] 1904.cc > http://lists.1904.cc/mailman/listinfo/aether > > > End of aether Digest, Vol 1, Issue 5 > ************************************ From 1.1 [*] 1904.cc Thu May 10 19:56:48 2007 From: 1.1 [*] 1904.cc (1.1 [*] 1904.cc) Date: Thu, 10 May 2007 19:56:48 +0200 Subject: [aether] informational update In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: some updates: - html has been improved, speed 3 should work fine now. - for the communication, why not using IRC indeed. indeed chatzilla looks ok chris, could you (or somebody else) post a small how-to (what server to chose, how to get on the desired channel etc)? - cym, you will have the frame on upper right. you should upload your pictures to this directory: ftp://aether.smtp.ru/cym/ with username: aether same password as usual i consider you are still naming your pictures: pw.jpg pw1.jpg pw2.jpg pw3.jpg ... up to pw9.jpg best, m From cym at cym.net Thu May 10 20:16:57 2007 From: cym at cym.net (cym) Date: Thu, 10 May 2007 14:16:57 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [aether] informational update In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: okay, i will! if i use the same software as last time, all the images will be named pw.jpg so it should be pw.jpg on every html-page. cym On Thu, 10 May 2007 1.1 [*] 1904.cc wrote: > some updates: > > - html has been improved, speed 3 should work fine now. > > - for the communication, why not using IRC indeed. > indeed chatzilla looks ok > chris, could you (or somebody else) post a small how-to (what server > to chose, how to get on the desired channel etc)? > > > - cym, you will have the frame on upper right. > > you should upload your pictures to this directory: > ftp://aether.smtp.ru/cym/ > > with username: aether > same password as usual > > i consider you are still naming your pictures: > pw.jpg > pw1.jpg > pw2.jpg > pw3.jpg > ... up to > pw9.jpg > > best, > m > _______________________________________________ > aether mailing list > aether at [nospam] 1904.cc > http://lists.1904.cc/mailman/listinfo/aether > From ideacritik at [nospam] yahoo.ca Thu May 10 21:29:08 2007 From: ideacritik at [nospam] yahoo.ca (::audrey::) Date: Thu, 10 May 2007 12:29:08 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [aether] Re : informational update Message-ID: <455147.32305.qm {a+} web50206.mail.re2.yahoo.com> >for the communication, why not using IRC indeed. indeed chatzilla looks ok >chris, could you (or somebody else) post a small how-to (what server to chose, how to get on the desired channel etc)? regarding IRC: for mac i can suggest 'colloquy' http://colloquy.info/downloads.html for linux (command line) xbitch : http://www.bitchx.org/ (though server is down/construction) xchat... also (for all platforms i believe). i suggest that we all meet on irc.freenode.net #aether9 basically, download an irc client. then *connect* to the irc.freenode.net _server_ and *join* the #aether9 _channel_. how-to? http://www.irchelp.org/irchelp/irctutorial.html wikipedia also has a comprehensive article : http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Internet_Relay_Chat Le tout nouveau Yahoo! 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URL: http://lists.1904.cc/pipermail/aether/attachments/20070510/f0282d72/attachment.html From ideacritik at [nospam] yahoo.ca Thu May 10 21:34:31 2007 From: ideacritik at [nospam] yahoo.ca (::audrey::) Date: Thu, 10 May 2007 12:34:31 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [aether] Re : code investigation Message-ID: <507297.68845.qm {a+} web50207.mail.re2.yahoo.com> >the only javascript i found until now that actually FORCES the browser to refresh the images is using the "math.random" function, which is currently implented in the test.mainframe... but which doesnt work at high-speed (500 milisecond)... and actually a really nice hi-speed should be faster, something like 100 milisecond (10 fps) at least... damn. can you send this page with math.random... i don't quite understand how random number generation is working towards forcing the browser to refresh... audrey ps is anyone one of you on the IDC mailing list by any chance? D?couvrez ce qui fait jaser les gens ! 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URL: http://lists.1904.cc/pipermail/aether/attachments/20070510/574fcefb/attachment.html From cym at cym.net Thu May 10 23:15:51 2007 From: cym at cym.net (cym) Date: Thu, 10 May 2007 17:15:51 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [aether] Re : fluxus / live session proposal In-Reply-To: <986928.87995.qm {a+} web50209.mail.re2.yahoo.com> References: <986928.87995.qm {a+} web50209.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Message-ID: 11pm is fine for me, but let's meet already around 10pm in chat and try to set things up and make them work. and then start the performance at 11pm cym On Thu, 10 May 2007, ::audrey:: wrote: > >what's the best global performance time? >i propose this: 10 PM in europe = 1 PM in california = 3 PM in colombia = 6 AM in australia >(poor australia.. one hour later would be possible too..) one last thing... in support of australia (and my own :) i would prefer 11pm (have plans 8-10pm)- but then again i'm not 'performing' so... maybe i catch the tailing end. c u domani... Faites des appels de PC ? PC dans le monde entier ! Essayez le nouveau Yahoo! Qu?bec Messenger avec Voix. http://cf.messenger.yahoo.com/ From mementoelee at [nospam] gmail.com Thu May 10 23:49:58 2007 From: mementoelee at [nospam] gmail.com (oheun lee) Date: Thu, 10 May 2007 23:49:58 +0200 Subject: [aether] question for preperation for... tomorrow 11/05/2007 GMT/UTC+2 o'clock Message-ID: Hi, this is ion - oheun lee - around geneva. Thx a lot for all the hard work of aether group. I've been withdrawn for some time but I'd love to participate. Would you kindly explain/suggest what sort of images / objects / etc to prepare in advance, beside "firm" internet connection & laptop with webcam? Best regard, oh eun On 5/10/07, aether-request at [nospam] 1904.cc wrote: > > Send aether mailing list submissions to > aether at [nospam] 1904.cc > > To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit > http://lists.1904.cc/mailman/listinfo/aether > or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to > aether-request at [nospam] 1904.cc > > You can reach the person managing the list at > aether-owner at [nospam] 1904.cc > > When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific > than "Re: Contents of aether digest..." > > > Today's Topics: > > 1. Re: fluxus / live session proposal (Daphne Dornbierer) > 2. Re : fluxus / live session proposal (::audrey::) > 3. code investigation (1.1 [*] 1904.cc) > 4. RE : aether Digest, Vol 1, Issue 5 (fougeras nathalie) > 5. Re: fluxus / live session proposal (cym) > 6. optimal settings (1.1 [*] 1904.cc) > 7. Re: electronic cafe international 10PM in europe 1PM in > california (christiaan cruz) > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Message: 1 > Date: Thu, 10 May 2007 13:18:34 +0200 > From: Daphne Dornbierer > Subject: Re: [aether] fluxus / live session proposal > To: //// collaborative networked performance //// > Message-ID: > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; delsp=yes; format=flowed > > Hi manu, > > Sorry but i have already a appointment so i want be abel to > participate(( > > But i'm looking forward to see the result )) > > best regards > > Metamolusque > > Am 10.05.2007 um 11:17 schrieb 1.1 [*] 1904.cc: > > > hi, thanks for the comments, > > > > indeed we could implement a version with a longer loop, like 33 > > frames. > > the reason of having only 9 images is that there > > will be a quicker "live" refresh. with 33 images, > > you will cycle a lot through the same images > > before you see anything new. > > but we have to test it. > > also, for the persistance retinienne, i will try > > to build this hi-speed htmlpage. > > but it seems also clear that at higher speeds, > > even the javascript-code isn't able to refresh > > the images correctly... still a trick has to be > > found > > > > proposal for a jam session: > > date: this friday, title: "electronic cafe international" > > concept: broadcast from a caf?/ public location > > with internet access, using possibly a mobile > > computing device (of course exceptions are > > possible for locations where showing up publicly > > with a laptop would endanger your security..) > > please send a mail to tell if you will > > participate, then i'll attribute the frames. > > > > what's the best global performance time? > > i propose this: 10 PM in europe = 1 PM in > > california = 3 PM in colombia = 6 AM in australia > > (poor australia.. one hour later would be possible too..) > > > > and btw a new patch is here: http://1904.cc/kode/upload_103.pat.zip > > it works at a smaller size (the actual size at > > which the images are displayed on the web > > interface) > > and there is a control of the speed of the video > > (can be useful to slow it down, to match the > > upload speed...) > > > > > > best, > > manuel > > > > > > > >> it works beter at speed 2. > >> anyway there are only, maybe, 5 frames... i don't know, maybe 9... > >> and i was trying to send 33 frames. to put it more fluide. not so > >> interrupted. because we can not talk about movement or video. it is > >> diaphorama. then we have to concive something to play the material > >> this way. > >> unfortunaly we can not play with the "persistence retinnienne" in any > >> way if things work like this. > >> > >> paula > >> > >> > >> El 9/05/2007, a las 15:39, 1.1 [*] 1904.cc escribi?: > >> > >>> hi paula, > >>> > >>> it looks like it worked, ad least i see some new super-8 images > >>> from the beach (in window k). > >>> > >>> did you make the window play at speed 1 or 2? > >>> > >>> i mean, from the control window at http://www.1904.cc/~aether/ > >>> control_panel2.html > >>> you first open (click) of course the "mainframe" > >>> then you choose speed 1 or 2 - i noticed that at speed 3 the images > >>> dont really refresh anymore. probably its too fast and the page > >>> cannot execute the javascript ?... > >>> > >>> for the jam session, > >>> i'm going to post some proposals to the list. > >>> > >>> ciao, > >>> manuel > >>> > > _______________________________________________ > > aether mailing list > > aether at [nospam] 1904.cc > > http://lists.1904.cc/mailman/listinfo/aether > > > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 2 > Date: Thu, 10 May 2007 05:12:15 -0700 (PDT) > From: "::audrey::" > Subject: [aether] Re : fluxus / live session proposal > To: //// collaborative networked performance //// > Message-ID: <633890.64255.qm at web50203.mail.re2.yahoo.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" > > > > >indeed we could implement a version with a longer loop, like 33 frames. > the reason of having only 9 images is that there > will be a quicker "live" refresh. with 33 images, > you will cycle a lot through the same images > before you see anything new. > but we have to test it. > also, for the persistance retinienne, i will try > to build this hi-speed htmlpage. > but it seems also clear that at higher speeds, > even the javascript-code isn't able to refresh > the images correctly... still a trick has to be found > > > > ok. bypass the refresh and the re-direct. > attached code to tell browser to get image every x mmseconds. > in the code here: > /* the magic call that tells the browser (window) > to call the changeimage function every 1000ms (1 sec) */ > window.setInterval(changeimage, 1000); > the url of the photos on the server change for each square, these have to > be changed in the code also. for now i have: " > http://www.1904.cc/~aether/frame_k/0k.jpg" (0-9) > > it has to be tested to see how many images the array can take, the buffer > size, etc. if you give me the correct url for the photos i can do this... in > any case, for now attached code (html + javascript only), comments are very > explicative, curtosy of a mate... > > audrey > > > > > > > > Le tout nouveau Yahoo! Courriel. Consultez vos fils RSS depuis votre > bo?te de r?ception. > http://us.rd.yahoo.com/evt=40705/*http://mrd.mail.yahoo.com/try_beta?.intl=cf > -------------- next part -------------- > An HTML attachment was scrubbed... > URL: > http://lists.1904.cc/pipermail/aether/attachments/20070510/e027f479/attachment-0002.html > -------------- next part -------------- > An HTML attachment was scrubbed... > URL: > http://lists.1904.cc/pipermail/aether/attachments/20070510/e027f479/attachment-0003.html > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 3 > Date: Thu, 10 May 2007 16:14:48 +0200 > From: 1.1 [*] 1904.cc > Subject: [aether] code investigation > To: //// collaborative networked performance //// > Message-ID: > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" > > hi audrey, > > thanks for the code. > indeed it does cycle the images nicely, but it doesnt force the > browser to reload them. > > the only javascript i found until now that actually FORCES the > browser to refresh the images is using the "math.random" function, > which is currently implented in the test.mainframe... but which > doesnt work at high-speed (500 milisecond)... > and actually a really nice hi-speed should be faster, something like > 100 milisecond (10 fps) at least... > > so maybe for having higher cycling speeds, we could imagine a sort of > hybrid code. > it could refresh the images on load, then cycle them at hispeed for > some time, then refresh again once a while.... > > keep on the good work. > best, > manuel > > ps: > the url for the photos are: > "http://www.1904.cc/~aether/k/1k.jpg", > "http://www.1904.cc/~aether/k/2k.jpg", > "http://www.1904.cc/~aether/k/3k.jpg", etc etc.. > > "http://www.1904.cc/~aether/l/3l.jpg" etc... > > "http://www.1904.cc/~aether/m/3m.jpg" etc... > > "http://10111.org/~aether/0/0x.jpg" etc > "http://10111.org/~aether/1/0x.jpg" etc > "http://10111.org/~aether/x/0x.jpg" etc > > pps: > somebody sent me this, a project a bit similar to ours. have a look: > > Orbita Project (2004-2005): http://www.saramalinarich.net/orbita/spain.htm > INTACT Project (2005-2007): http://www.intact01.net > > Since 2004, we are working about telematic performance, using > multicast videoconference system to make teleshared actions in real > time, inviting to other artists to participate (from France, Sweden, > Chile, Spain). > > Actually, we are working on INTACT PROJECT (Interface for the > Teleshared Action). "It is a proposal for investigation and > development in the field of cyber culture, oriented towards the > collaborative and interactive creation through the internet. > > The aim is to give incitements to reflection and experimentation in > the area of the Art of Action, through multicast session video > conferences among artists located in different places around the > world. In this sense, the INTACT project spreads over the scenic arts > as well as the visual arts and the new technologies." [fragment of > the project] > > > > > > > > >ok. bypass the refresh and the re-direct. > >attached code to tell browser to get image every x mmseconds. > >in the code here: > >/* the magic call that tells the browser (window) > > to call the changeimage function every 1000ms (1 sec) */ > > window.setInterval(changeimage, 1000); > >the url of the photos on the server change for each square, these > >have to be changed in the code also. for now i have: > >" > http://www.1904.cc/~aether/frame_k/0k.jpg" > >(0-9) > > > >it has to be tested to see how many images the array can take, the > >buffer size, etc. if you give me the correct url for the photos i > >can do this... in any case, for now attached code (html + javascript > >only), comments are very explicative, curtosy of a mate... > > > >audrey > > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 4 > Date: Thu, 10 May 2007 16:58:19 +0200 (CEST) > From: fougeras nathalie > Subject: [aether] RE : aether Digest, Vol 1, Issue 5 > To: aether at [nospam] 1904.cc, aether-request at [nospam] 1904.cc > Message-ID: <366828.11165.qm at web26613.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 > > Hi, > I will like participate to the jam session with this > new patch now in order to experimente it again..:) > title for me it will be more :"electronic room > international" ;-) > thnaks to attribute me frames Manuel > cheers > Nathalie > > > > --- aether-request at [nospam] 1904.cc a ?crit : > > > Send aether mailing list submissions to > > aether at [nospam] 1904.cc > > > > To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, > > visit > > http://lists.1904.cc/mailman/listinfo/aether > > or, via email, send a message with subject or body > > 'help' to > > aether-request at [nospam] 1904.cc > > > > You can reach the person managing the list at > > aether-owner at [nospam] 1904.cc > > > > When replying, please edit your Subject line so it > > is more specific > > than "Re: Contents of aether digest..." > > > > > > Today's Topics: > > > > 1. fluxus / live session proposal (1.1 [*] 1904.cc) > > > > > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > > > Message: 1 > > Date: Thu, 10 May 2007 11:17:46 +0200 > > From: 1.1 [*] 1904.cc > > Subject: [aether] fluxus / live session proposal > > To: //// collaborative networked performance //// > > > > Message-ID: > > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" ; > > format="flowed" > > > > hi, thanks for the comments, > > > > indeed we could implement a version with a longer > > loop, like 33 frames. > > the reason of having only 9 images is that there > > will be a quicker "live" refresh. with 33 images, > > you will cycle a lot through the same images > > before you see anything new. > > but we have to test it. > > also, for the persistance retinienne, i will try > > to build this hi-speed htmlpage. > > but it seems also clear that at higher speeds, > > even the javascript-code isn't able to refresh > > the images correctly... still a trick has to be > > found > > > > proposal for a jam session: > > date: this friday, title: "electronic cafe > > international" > > concept: broadcast from a caf?/ public location > > with internet access, using possibly a mobile > > computing device (of course exceptions are > > possible for locations where showing up publicly > > with a laptop would endanger your security..) > > please send a mail to tell if you will > > participate, then i'll attribute the frames. > > > > what's the best global performance time? > > i propose this: 10 PM in europe = 1 PM in > > california = 3 PM in colombia = 6 AM in australia > > (poor australia.. one hour later would be possible > > too..) > > > > and btw a new patch is here: > > http://1904.cc/kode/upload_103.pat.zip > > it works at a smaller size (the actual size at > > which the images are displayed on the web > > interface) > > and there is a control of the speed of the video > > (can be useful to slow it down, to match the > > upload speed...) > > > > > > best, > > manuel > > > > > > > > >it works beter at speed 2. > > >anyway there are only, maybe, 5 frames... i don't > > know, maybe 9... > > >and i was trying to send 33 frames. to put it more > > fluide. not so > > >interrupted. because we can not talk about movement > > or video. it is > > >diaphorama. then we have to concive something to > > play the material > > >this way. > > >unfortunaly we can not play with the "persistence > > retinnienne" in any > > >way if things work like this. > > > > > >paula > > > > > > > > >El 9/05/2007, a las 15:39, 1.1 [*] 1904.cc escribi?: > > > > > >> hi paula, > > >> > > >> it looks like it worked, ad least i see some new > > super-8 images > > >> from the beach (in window k). > > >> > > >> did you make the window play at speed 1 or 2? > > >> > > > > i mean, from the control window at > > http://www.1904.cc/~aether/ > > >> control_panel2.html > > >> you first open (click) of course the "mainframe" > > >> then you choose speed 1 or 2 - i noticed that at > > speed 3 the images > > >> dont really refresh anymore. probably its too > > fast and the page > > >> cannot execute the javascript ?... > > >> > > >> for the jam session, > > >> i'm going to post some proposals to the list. > > >> > > >> ciao, > > > > manuel > > >> > > > > > > ------------------------------ > > > > _______________________________________________ > > aether mailing list > > aether at [nospam] 1904.cc > > http://lists.1904.cc/mailman/listinfo/aether > > > > > > End of aether Digest, Vol 1, Issue 5 > > ************************************ > > > > > > > > ___________________________________________________________________________ > D?couvrez une nouvelle fa?on d'obtenir des r?ponses ? toutes vos questions > ! > Profitez des connaissances, des opinions et des exp?riences des > internautes sur Yahoo! Questions/R?ponses > http://fr.answers.yahoo.com > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 5 > Date: Thu, 10 May 2007 11:04:44 -0400 (EDT) > From: cym > Subject: Re: [aether] fluxus / live session proposal > To: aether at [nospam] 1904.cc > Message-ID: > Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=iso-8859-1 > > hello aethers! > > i could join the jamsession tomorrow if it is okay to join again with > simple webcam2ftp software. i did not have any time since the performance > to have a closer look at max and jitter, so for the moment i still depend > on free webcam2ftp software. but i can try out different programs if there > are any suggestions. > > and second, 10pm is too late for me to broadcast from a public location. > (not for me, but i have a small son that should be in bed by that time..) > if it is okay for you if i am sending images from a plastic toy train > that is driving around endless circles on a plastic railroad track, then > i will be happy to join you. > > and otherwise i will just watch the stream and join you on skype. > > greetings, > > cym > > > On Thu, 10 May 2007 1.1 [*] 1904.cc wrote: > > > hi, thanks for the comments, > > > > proposal for a jam session: > > date: this friday, title: "electronic cafe international" > > concept: broadcast from a caf?/ public location > > with internet access, using possibly a mobile > > computing device (of course exceptions are > > possible for locations where showing up publicly > > with a laptop would endanger your security..) > > please send a mail to tell if you will > > participate, then i'll attribute the frames. > > > > what's the best global performance time? > > i propose this: 10 PM in europe = 1 PM in > > california = 3 PM in colombia = 6 AM in australia > > (poor australia.. one hour later would be possible too..) > > > > and btw a new patch is here: http://1904.cc/kode/upload_103.pat.zip > > it works at a smaller size (the actual size at > > which the images are displayed on the web > > interface) > > and there is a control of the speed of the video > > (can be useful to slow it down, to match the > > upload speed...) > > > > > > best, > > manuel > > > > > > > > >it works beter at speed 2. > > >anyway there are only, maybe, 5 frames... i don't know, maybe 9... > > >and i was trying to send 33 frames. to put it more fluide. not so > > >interrupted. because we can not talk about movement or video. it is > > >diaphorama. then we have to concive something to play the material > > >this way. > > >unfortunaly we can not play with the "persistence retinnienne" in any > > >way if things work like this. > > > > > >paula > > > > > > > > >El 9/05/2007, a las 15:39, 1.1 [*] 1904.cc escribi?: > > > > > >> hi paula, > > >> > > >> it looks like it worked, ad least i see some new super-8 images > > >> from the beach (in window k). > > >> > > >> did you make the window play at speed 1 or 2? > > >> > > > > i mean, from the control window at http://www.1904.cc/~aether/ > > >> control_panel2.html > > >> you first open (click) of course the "mainframe" > > >> then you choose speed 1 or 2 - i noticed that at speed 3 the images > > >> dont really refresh anymore. probably its too fast and the page > > >> cannot execute the javascript ?... > > >> > > >> for the jam session, > > >> i'm going to post some proposals to the list. > > >> > > >> ciao, > > > > manuel > > >> > > _______________________________________________ > > aether mailing list > > aether at [nospam] 1904.cc > > http://lists.1904.cc/mailman/listinfo/aether > > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 6 > Date: Thu, 10 May 2007 17:59:44 +0200 > From: 1.1 [*] 1904.cc > Subject: [aether] optimal settings > To: aether at [nospam] 1904.cc > Message-ID: > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" > > after some testing with the current patch ( > http://1904.cc/kode/upload_103.pat.zip ) > i obtained best results in the following modes: > - playing the window at speed 2 (= 1 img/sec) > - uploading at interval "1 sec" (there is a safety measure in the > patch now that should allow this, and probably the smaller image size > helps) > - playing a video file at rate 0.2 (use the slider) - like this the > uploaded result looks like a slow-motion sequence and not like a > slideshow... > > more experimental html soon! > > best, > m > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 7 > Date: Thu, 10 May 2007 10:41:49 -0700 > From: christiaan cruz > Subject: Re: [aether] electronic cafe international 10PM in europe 1PM > in california > To: > Message-ID: > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" > > > SOUNDS GREAT! > I'm IN! > > Sorry too, for not being able to test or give much feedback. > Been baby sitting and I fell off my bike too. > > anyway, let's stream! > > IRC channel or skype? > does everyone have IRC software? > Mozilla has a really nice chatzilla plugin > > Will this be a pure jam test session? > no script or theme? > > > -christiaan > ---------------------------------------- > > > > Message: 1 > > Date: Thu, 10 May 2007 11:17:46 +0200 > > From: 1.1 [*] 1904.cc > > Subject: [aether] fluxus / live session proposal > > To: //// collaborative networked performance //// > > Message-ID: > > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" ; format="flowed" > > > > hi, thanks for the comments, > > > > indeed we could implement a version with a longer loop, like 33 frames. > > the reason of having only 9 images is that there > > will be a quicker "live" refresh. with 33 images, > > you will cycle a lot through the same images > > before you see anything new. > > but we have to test it. > > also, for the persistance retinienne, i will try > > to build this hi-speed htmlpage. > > but it seems also clear that at higher speeds, > > even the javascript-code isn't able to refresh > > the images correctly... still a trick has to be > > found > > > > proposal for a jam session: > > date: this friday, title: "electronic cafe international" > > concept: broadcast from a caf?/ public location > > with internet access, using possibly a mobile > > computing device (of course exceptions are > > possible for locations where showing up publicly > > with a laptop would endanger your security..) > > please send a mail to tell if you will > > participate, then i'll attribute the frames. > > > > what's the best global performance time? > > i propose this: 10 PM in europe = 1 PM in > > california = 3 PM in colombia = 6 AM in australia > > (poor australia.. one hour later would be possible too..) > > > > and btw a new patch is here: http://1904.cc/kode/upload_103.pat.zip > > it works at a smaller size (the actual size at > > which the images are displayed on the web > > interface) > > and there is a control of the speed of the video > > (can be useful to slow it down, to match the > > upload speed...) > > > > > > best, > > manuel > > > > > > > > >it works beter at speed 2. > > >anyway there are only, maybe, 5 frames... i don't know, maybe 9... > > >and i was trying to send 33 frames. to put it more fluide. not so > > >interrupted. because we can not talk about movement or video. it is > > >diaphorama. then we have to concive something to play the material > > >this way. > > >unfortunaly we can not play with the "persistence retinnienne" in any > > >way if things work like this. > > > > > >paula > > > > > > > > >El 9/05/2007, a las 15:39, 1.1 [*] 1904.cc escribi?: > > > > > >> hi paula, > > >> > > >> it looks like it worked, ad least i see some new super-8 images > > >> from the beach (in window k). > > >> > > >> did you make the window play at speed 1 or 2? > > >> > > > > i mean, from the control window at http://www.1904.cc/~aether/ > > >> control_panel2.html > > >> you first open (click) of course the "mainframe" > > >> then you choose speed 1 or 2 - i noticed that at speed 3 the images > > >> dont really refresh anymore. probably its too fast and the page > > >> cannot execute the javascript ?... > > >> > > >> for the jam session, > > >> i'm going to post some proposals to the list. > > >> > > >> ciao, > > > > manuel > > >> > > > > > > ------------------------------ > > > > _______________________________________________ > > aether mailing list > > aether at [nospam] 1904.cc > > http://lists.1904.cc/mailman/listinfo/aether > > > > > > End of aether Digest, Vol 1, Issue 5 > > ************************************ > > > ------------------------------ > > _______________________________________________ > aether mailing list > aether at [nospam] 1904.cc > http://lists.1904.cc/mailman/listinfo/aether > > > End of aether Digest, Vol 1, Issue 6 > ************************************ > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.1904.cc/pipermail/aether/attachments/20070510/9ae6b86e/attachment.html From bk at [nospam] n3krozoft.com Fri May 11 01:04:31 2007 From: bk at [nospam] n3krozoft.com (bk) Date: Fri, 11 May 2007 01:04:31 +0200 Subject: [aether] Re : fluxus / live session proposal In-Reply-To: <986928.87995.qm {a+} web50209.mail.re2.yahoo.com> References: <986928.87995.qm {a+} web50209.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <4643A4FF.5020604 {a+} n3krozoft.com> see you all tommorow starting at 10pm CET, boris From fe2cruz at [nospam] hotmail.com Sat May 12 02:06:53 2007 From: fe2cruz at [nospam] hotmail.com (christiaan cruz) Date: Fri, 11 May 2007 17:06:53 -0700 Subject: [aether] IRC #aether9 (6cell) chat history cafe jam session Message-ID: messages from: christiaan alejo manuel nathalie boris cym audrey paula Session Start (#rhizome:#aether9): Fri May 11 03:21:05 2007 [03:21] *** #aether9: fe2cruz {a+} ChanServ [03:21] *** #aether9 was created on Tue May 08 10:48:25 2007. Session Close (#aether9): Fri May 11 03:21:27 2007 Session Start (freenode:#aether9): Fri May 11 03:23:29 2007 [03:23] *** #aether9: fe2cruz {a+} ChanServ [03:23] *** #aether9 was created on Tue May 08 10:48:25 2007. Session Close (#aether9): Fri May 11 03:31:08 2007 Session Start (freenode:#aether9): Fri May 11 03:35:06 2007 [03:35] *** #aether9: fe2cruz {a+} ChanServ [03:35] *** #aether9 was created on Tue May 08 10:48:25 2007. Session Close (#aether9): Fri May 11 03:51:01 2007 Session Start (freenode:#aether9): Fri May 11 10:34:51 2007 [10:34] *** #aether9: fe2cruz {a+} ChanServ aether9 [10:34] *** #aether9 was created on Tue May 08 10:48:25 2007. [10:52] *** You have been disconnected. Fri May 11 10:52:28 2007. [10:52] *** Automatically rejoining channel... [10:52] *** fe2cruz_ has joined #aether9. [10:52] *** #aether9: fe2cruz_ fe2cruz {a+} ChanServ aether9 [11:38] aether9: halo [11:39] fe2cruz: hey, manuel? [11:41] *** dspstv has joined #aether9. [11:41] dspstv: so [11:41] fe2cruz: hello? [11:41] fe2cruz: christiaan here who else is on? [11:42] dspstv: just arrived [11:42] dspstv: me alejo [11:42] dspstv: luzern [11:42] dspstv: CH [11:42] fe2cruz: guess its still early right. its still on for 10pm your time? [11:45] dspstv: yeap [11:45] fe2cruz: r u in a public space/cafe? [11:46] dspstv: im at my place, i have to work on a little project [11:46] dspstv: so i will just be a viewer [11:46] dspstv: and chatter from time to time [11:46] aether9: halo, i'm here again [11:46] dspstv: i just think i will have to go into skype [11:46] dspstv: halo manuel(?) [11:47] aether9: yeah its me [11:47] fe2cruz: i have skype open too, but i don't see anyone on there [11:47] dspstv: i think it will be positive to make this channel the official place [11:47] aether9: agree [11:47] fe2cruz: yes [11:47] dspstv: so we will help them [11:47] dspstv: :) [11:47] dspstv: i go into skype [11:48] fe2cruz: i think i see paula from colombia, is she joing us? [11:48] dspstv: i guess yes [11:48] dspstv: shes pretty active [11:48] aether9: did you check the new html interface? [11:49] dspstv: persistence retienne ? [11:49] dspstv: nope, not the last ?ne [11:49] aether9: yes. mode 33 [11:49] dspstv: hehe [11:49] fe2cruz: a little yes [11:49] aether9: (Link: http://www.1904.cc/~aether/control_panel.html)http://www.1904.cc/~aether/control_panel.html [11:49] dspstv: klik [11:49] *** Mode change "+o dspstv" for channel #aether9 by ChanServ. [11:49] *** Mode change "+oo aether9 fe2cruz_" for channel #aether9 by dspstv. [11:50] *** dspstv has changed the topic on channel #aether9 to (Link: http://www.1904.cc/~aether/control_panel.html.)http://www.1904.cc/~aether/control_panel.html. [11:50] fe2cruz: it looks really SEXY now! [11:50] *** dspstv has changed the topic on channel #aether9 to enjoy the eather --> (Link: http://www.1904.cc/~aether/control_panel.html.)http://www.1904.cc/~aether/control_panel.html. [11:51] aether9: hope we're gonna be able to make good use of it [11:51] fe2cruz: will the FTP be able to handle 6 clients/people inputting? [11:52] aether9: there are 3 different servers in use now [11:52] fe2cruz: cool, but its still the same old FTP [11:53] aether9: yes, what else? [11:53] fe2cruz: do you have the order/upload folder assignments? [11:53] aether9: only for cym who is using webcam2ftp soft [11:54] aether9: the others can switch via the max patch [11:54] aether9: will have to coordinate this from the chat [11:54] fe2cruz: i can use FWINK or webcam2000 if you need to test it today [11:55] fe2cruz: fwink is nice and small and easy to use [11:55] aether9: yes, great. [11:55] fe2cruz: which folder should i upload to [11:56] aether9: any preference (left, right, up, low...) [11:56] fe2cruz: no pref [11:57] aether9: server 10111.org [11:57] aether9: directory 10111.org/web/x/ [11:58] aether9: images named 0x.jpg, 1x.jpg, 2x.jpg ... 33x.jpg [11:58] aether9: if it's different, tell me so i can quickly change the html [11:58] aether9: it's the lower right window [11:58] fe2cruz: fwink only does one file renaming the same one over and over [11:59] fe2cruz: just like cym [12:01] aether9: ok, how this this one jpg named? [12:01] fe2cruz: x.jpg [12:02] aether9: and sometimes this softwares create a sort of "history" [12:02] aether9: renaming the older jpgs as x1.jpg, x2.jpg... [12:02] fe2cruz: i'll check [12:04] fe2cruz: is our frame reate still 5 seconds? [12:06] fe2cruz: i'm uploading to X now at 5 seconds [12:06] aether9: speed 1: refresh all 4 sec, speed 2: refresh every sec, speed 3: 5 fps [12:06] aether9: ok: (Link: http://1904.cc/~aether/frame_x/ftp.html)http://1904.cc/~aether/frame_x/ftp.html [12:07] fe2cruz: ok i'll upload every 1 second then [12:07] *** nathaliefougeras has joined #aether9. [12:07] *** Mode change "+o nathaliefougeras" for channel #aether9 by dspstv. [12:08] aether9: bonsoir [12:08] nathaliefougeras: bonsoir [12:08] nathaliefougeras: donc c'est quand le test ensemble [12:08] nathaliefougeras: j'ai plus trop suivi [12:08] nathaliefougeras: ? [12:08] nathaliefougeras: ce soir ou demain [12:08] nathaliefougeras: ? [12:08] aether9: c'est dans une heure [12:08] aether9: mais ??a commence d??j? [12:09] nathaliefougeras: l? [12:09] fe2cruz: hello nathalie [12:09] nathaliefougeras: c'??tait pas 22:00 [12:09] nathaliefougeras: ah oui d??calage horaire [12:09] nathaliefougeras: :) [12:09] fe2cruz: Fwink works fine & i'm refreshing but only as fast at 2 seconds i tried one but the server locks me out [12:09] aether9: c'est le pr??-test [12:10] nathaliefougeras: pr??-test [12:10] nathaliefougeras: ok il faut faire quoi? [12:10] nathaliefougeras: ;-) [12:10] nathaliefougeras: hello fe2cruz [12:10] aether9: fe2cruz_ this reads a bit faster: (Link: http://1904.cc/~aether/frame_x/ftp2.html)http://1904.cc/~aether/frame_x/ftp2.html [12:11] nathaliefougeras: bon l? j'ai un verre de vin ? la main [12:11] aether9: nathalie: transmit to one of the six frames [12:11] aether9: here (Link: http://www.1904.cc/~aether/control_panel.html#)http://www.1904.cc/~aether/control_panel.html# [12:11] aether9: using the latest max patch [12:12] nathaliefougeras: ok je vais l'ouvrir [12:13] nathaliefougeras: mais dans "location" je ne sais toujours pas laquelle m'est attribu??e? [12:15] nathaliefougeras: 1904 K, L, M, ou 10111 0, 1, X ? [12:16] aether9: au choix [12:16] aether9: mais M: cym et X: fe2cruz [12:16] aether9: et laissons K ? Paula [12:17] aether9: donc choisis p.ex. L [12:17] nathaliefougeras: ok je prends donc : 10111 0 [12:17] aether9: fe2cruz, you could reduce image size to 192 x 144 px [12:17] fe2cruz: oh no prob [12:18] fe2cruz: low or med jpeg quality? [12:19] aether9: just try [12:20] fe2cruz: its on the lowest right now [12:20] fe2cruz: 1.7kbs [12:21] fe2cruz: pretty cruddy image [12:21] fe2cruz: but it is 192x144 [12:22] nathaliefougeras: euh les images sur 10111:0 sont pas toutes de moi [12:22] nathaliefougeras: peut ??tre canal d??j? utilis??? [12:23] fe2cruz: highest quality is 25kbs and looks much better, still a really small file [12:25] aether9: c'est des anciennes images test. [12:26] aether9: fe2cruz, just integrated yr pages into the mainframe [12:26] aether9: only the red arrow will not work [12:26] fe2cruz: i'll try to up the frame rate [12:27] nathaliefougeras: ok pour les anciennes images mais comme l? on est sur le test [12:27] nathaliefougeras: ... [12:27] nathaliefougeras: comment je peux tessssssster [12:27] nathaliefougeras: ;-) [12:27] nathaliefougeras: ? [12:27] aether9: nat: max patch troubleshooting: [12:27] aether9: press apple-M [12:28] aether9: you will see a window with various messages. [12:28] aether9: if you are uploading, lines of text should be moving. [12:28] aether9: if not, press in the upload fiel: STOP, then again START. [12:29] nathaliefougeras: oui ds cette fen??tre messages il y a : print/ul_status 31 [12:30] fe2cruz: hey manuel instead of goign to a public place. do you mind if i stay home, this way i can run two computers at the same time and do more testing [12:33] aether9: btw last patch is here (minor change) [12:33] aether9: (Link: http://1904.cc/kode/upload_104.pat.zip)http://1904.cc/kode/upload_104.pat.zip [12:36] nathaliefougeras: merci pour le patch [12:36] aether9: ov course no prob [12:38] nathaliefougeras: oups ??a rame avec ce patch..! [12:40] aether9: quel probleme? [12:41] nathaliefougeras: on dirait qu'? chaque fois qu'il prend photo [12:42] aether9: oui? [12:42] nathaliefougeras: je n'ai plus acc??s ? la cam??ra live [12:42] nathaliefougeras: il se bloque sur la photo en train d'??tre prise [12:42] nathaliefougeras: oui c'est ??a [12:43] nathaliefougeras: il met du temps alors qu'avant le live continuez ? ??tre visible [12:43] nathaliefougeras: mais peut ??tre qu'au moins il enregistre bien [12:43] aether9: donc ??a allait mieux avec une ancienne version du patch? [12:43] nathaliefougeras: o?? puis je voir ces photos [12:44] nathaliefougeras: le lien [12:44] aether9: tu ouvres (Link: http://www.1904.cc/~aether/control_panel.html#)http://www.1904.cc/~aether/control_panel.html# [12:44] aether9: cliques sur "open mainframe" [12:44] nathaliefougeras: ok [12:44] aether9: dans la case en bas ? gauch tu choisis p.ex mode 3 [12:45] nathaliefougeras: oui [12:45] nathaliefougeras: c'est bien les photos capt??es [12:45] aether9: si le patch tourne correctement, tu devrais pouvoir voir tes photos updat??es "presque" en temps reel [12:46] nathaliefougeras: ok donc je garde ces deux fen??tres ouvertes [12:47] aether9: et bien sur ??a permet d'enclencher, a diff vitesses, les cases des autres performers... [12:47] *** fe2cruz_ is now known as fe2cruz. [12:47] *** You are now known as fe2cruz. [12:47] nathaliefougeras: c'est ? dire ? [12:47] aether9: mode 1,2,3 are cycling 10 images [12:47] aether9: (1: refresh every 4 seconds, 2: every second, 3: 5 frames per second) [12:47] aether9: experimental mode (red arrow) [12:47] aether9: plays 33 frames at hi-speed. [12:48] nathaliefougeras: ok la derni??re fois je croyais qu'opn restait sur 5sec. [12:48] nathaliefougeras: donc now on peut exp??rimenter ces 3 vitesses d??clenchement ? [12:48] nathaliefougeras: ok [12:49] aether9: actuellement il y a une "securite" dans le patch, il n'uploade pas tant que la precedente image n'est pas uploadee. donc tu devrais pouvoir meme utiliser le mode "1 sec" sans danger [12:50] nathaliefougeras: ok thanks [12:50] aether9: et si tu veux utiliser le mode tres special "33 frames" (la fleche rouge dans la fenetre de controle) [12:51] aether9: alors mets le patch max a 33 images (c'est la case 33 en bas a gauche, entre le 66 et le 9) [12:51] aether9: "number of frames on server" [12:52] nathaliefougeras: oui oui j'ai vu d'accord [12:52] nathaliefougeras: et si on veut voir les autres en temps r??el [12:52] nathaliefougeras: on peut les afficher aussi sur (Link: www.1904...)www.1904... [12:52] nathaliefougeras: ? [12:54] nathaliefougeras: oui [12:54] nathaliefougeras: auto-r??ponse ;-) [12:54] aether9: je pars du principe que tu as les deux fenetres html ouvertes, ae.controller et aether.mainframe [12:55] nathaliefougeras: ben oui :) [12:55] nathaliefougeras: et mon verre de vin est allum?? aussi [12:55] aether9: dans ae.controller, mode 3 (fleche av.3) sera le plus proche d'un update realtime [12:55] nathaliefougeras: par contre demain soir je suis sur bruxelles [12:56] aether9: thom edison sera heureux de l'apprendre [12:56] nathaliefougeras: ah [12:56] nathaliefougeras: ben je vais lui envoyer un mail [12:56] nathaliefougeras: mais je veux dire [12:56] fe2cruz: hi, this is christiaan, my w2f is uploading fine, but my lower right box on the mainframe is blank [12:56] nathaliefougeras: la jam session j'ai vu que qulqu'un la proposait demain soir? [12:57] nathaliefougeras: ou j'ai pas bien vu-lu [12:57] nathaliefougeras: ? [12:57] nathaliefougeras: sur notre mailing list [12:58] aether9: fe2cruz, your image on the server is 0k [12:58] aether9: maybe you are uploading too fast [12:59] aether9: it's sometimes yuseful to check the direct link: (Link: http://10111.org/~aether/x/x.jpg)http://10111.org/~aether/x/x.jpg [12:59] fe2cruz: should i go with only uploads every 4 seconds? [12:59] aether9: try what works best [13:00] aether9: i'm now going to teleport myself to the electronic caf??. see you in 5 minutes. [13:01] fe2cruz: c ya [13:01] nathaliefougeras: aether [13:01] nathaliefougeras: il rafraichit les 5 derni??res images sur (Link: www.1904c..)www.1904c.. [13:01] nathaliefougeras: ? [13:02] nathaliefougeras: la boucle se fait sur les 5 derni??res images upload??es? [13:02] *** boris_ has joined #aether9. [13:02] boris_: ah! [13:02] nathaliefougeras: hello [13:02] boris_: hello [13:03] fe2cruz: this is christiaan, manuel left for the cafe and will return in a few minutes to jam [13:03] boris_: ok [13:03] boris_: what - who is dspstv? [13:03] fe2cruz: boris, are you using the patch or software? [13:03] boris_: not yet [13:03] fe2cruz: alejo [13:03] boris_: i'll start now [13:04] boris_: ok [13:04] fe2cruz: are u in a public space too? [13:05] boris_: no - i cound.t organise that... [13:05] fe2cruz: nathalie are you in a public space? [13:06] nathaliefougeras: no [13:06] nathaliefougeras: in my room [13:06] nathaliefougeras: and my room is not public ;-) [13:06] nathaliefougeras: intimacy space [13:07] fe2cruz: i thought about doing this from my car but then i couldn't test software or chat very good [13:07] boris_: are slots attributed? [13:08] fe2cruz: i have the bottom right, cym is supposed to be on the top right, where are you nathalie? [13:09] *** cym has joined #aether9. [13:09] cym: hello all [13:09] fe2cruz: hi cym! [13:09] cym: just came in [13:09] fe2cruz: this is christiaan [13:09] nathaliefougeras: hi [13:09] cym: have to set up the webcam now [13:10] boris_: hi [13:10] fe2cruz: thats ok manuel is still setting up at his cafe [13:11] cym: will take some time here too [13:13] fe2cruz: 4 your info cym, the html/ftp only works for me at 4sec any faster and your images will go blank. This is because you and i are running apps that rename the same file over and over, so if you are renaming the same file too often, then it won't be available and just show up as a blank screen [13:14] cym: okay, will check it [13:14] *** Mode change "+oo boris_ cym" for channel #aether9 by dspstv. [13:15] *** dspstv has changed the topic on channel #aether9 to enjoy the aether --> (Link: http://www.1904.cc/~aether/control_panel.html.)http://www.1904.cc/~aether/control_panel.html. [13:19] boris_: ok i'm trying to upload on 10111:1 [13:19] boris_: and it works for now... [13:20] *** aether9 has signed off IRC (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)). [13:20] boris_: partially [13:20] nathaliefougeras: yes [13:21] fe2cruz: [ k ][ L ][cym] top row [13:21] nathaliefougeras: he drink and he tell us that an error appear ;-) [13:21] boris_: the >33 images is very nice [13:21] nathaliefougeras: i will try [13:22] fe2cruz: [ 0 ][ 1 ] [ x [ bottom row [13:25] boris_: so the way to refresh images now is to quit max and relaunch it? [13:30] boris_: jesus, i'm learning it! [13:30] fe2cruz: sorry can't help, i'm not using the patch [13:30] *** aether9 has joined #aether9. [13:31] aether9: manuel is back [13:31] aether9: anybody streaming? [13:31] fe2cruz: yes! [13:31] boris_: ok it seems to WORK! [13:32] boris_: for me it's cruising! [13:32] aether9: wanted to send you images from the famous glacier Remor [13:32] aether9: but their network is down [13:33] fe2cruz: too bad! that would have been fun! [13:34] aether9: but now i'm in cafe galley [13:34] aether9: candlelight atmosphere [13:34] cym: i am sending now [13:34] boris_: are you "watching" on html or on the patch? [13:35] cym: but i don't know how to turn on the light on the cam [13:35] aether9: transmission starts on L [13:35] cym: it comes and goes by itself [13:35] aether9: use html to watch, absolutely [13:35] boris_: ok l indeed [13:35] fe2cruz: that sounds fun, like a strobe light [13:35] *** Mode change "+o aether9" for channel #aether9 by dspstv. [13:35] cym: does anyone know how these buildin webcam lights work? [13:36] fe2cruz: they usually have a switch for the light or the cam on the housing of the device [13:36] dspstv: ei, for me the page for the 6 streams is not working. i can see the individual pages but not the general one [13:36] fe2cruz: alejo are you adjusting the frame rates in the mainframe version [13:37] dspstv: let me see [13:37] aether9: alejo, on which browser/ OS? [13:38] aether9: in mozilla osx it works fine, in shiira it opens separate windows [13:38] cym: it seems to react on the clip that's below it [13:38] dspstv: firefox in os x [13:38] dspstv: im going to this page [13:38] dspstv: (Link: http://www.1904.cc/~aether/control_panel.html)http://www.1904.cc/~aether/control_panel.html [13:38] aether9: be sure, from the control window (Link: http://www.1904.cc/~aether/control_panel2.html#)http://www.1904.cc/~aether/control_panel2.html# [13:39] aether9: to open first the mainframe [13:39] aether9: cym, is it possible for you to use the archiving option? [13:40] dspstv: ok, got it [13:40] aether9: (i mean, creating pw.jpg, pw1.jpg etc) [13:40] dspstv: needs some text or numbers explaining what you have to click [13:41] aether9: alejo, where is paula?! [13:41] aether9: and where is the brussels transmission [13:42] cym: not yet - seems there is nothing coming right now [13:42] boris_: bru is 10111:1 [13:42] boris_: cym, sometimes i can see a kid playing [13:42] fe2cruz: boris brussells bottom middle [13:42] aether9: receiving bxl now [13:43] dspstv: no idea about paula, i have been busy.. and skype means a lot of people calling back :S [13:43] dspstv: i can see 3 frames alive :) [13:43] aether9: lets to an experiment now [13:44] aether9: i'm going to switch (frame L) to 33 frame mode. [13:44] cym: okay, some images are coming now from me [13:44] aether9: that means, select for the upper middle window the RED arrow... [13:44] aether9: special mode [13:44] cym: problem with this program that i use, is that it creates an image for the archive only every 10 pictures [13:45] aether9: first you see black (cym i come back to you in a minute) [13:45] aether9: then progressively images appear [13:46] aether9: it can be good to shut down temporarily some other chanels [13:46] aether9: to increase framerate [13:46] aether9: working? [13:47] aether9: someone else wants to try [13:49] dspstv: the 6 of them working here [13:49] dspstv: but some black frames in the way on each [13:49] dspstv: ok [13:50] dspstv: now is more fluid [13:50] dspstv: it was downloading [13:50] dspstv: :) [13:50] fe2cruz: yes the 33 frame rate is working, but when you use w2f with only one reoccuring file you get a lot of black frames [13:50] cym: okay it is working here now [13:50] dspstv: still the loops are short, i guess only one is really live [][X][] ? [13:51] dspstv: and cym [13:51] dspstv: i see a kid [13:51] fe2cruz: those on mine are older files i am going to upload a new bunch now [13:51] fe2cruz: imean mine x [13:51] dspstv: k [13:52] cym: you just have to wait till all 10 images fill up [13:53] cym: the archive seems to rotate only once a minute or so [13:53] aether9: yes, the 33 frame rate will not work successfully for w2f, unless it is archiving a number of jpgs [13:53] aether9: cym, i just refreshed your html [13:53] *** ideacritik has joined #aether9. [13:53] aether9: now theres simply the last frame refreshing [13:53] ideacritik: bonsoir! [13:54] cym: hello ideacritik [13:54] aether9: halo [13:54] fe2cruz: hello [13:54] ideacritik: what is the url i should be looking at now? :S [13:54] aether9: L is going live again in 9-frame mode [13:54] aether9: ideakritik: [13:54] cym: it is even slower, now there are still only 4 images in the archive, the other 6 are still old ones... [13:55] aether9: ideakritik: open: (Link: http://www.1904.cc/~aether/control_panel2.html)http://www.1904.cc/~aether/control_panel2.html [13:55] aether9: then open mainframe [13:55] cym: if it can be pw.jpg on every refresh it would be much better [13:55] aether9: then press the buttons [13:57] aether9: cym, now it is using only pw.jpg [13:57] aether9: but you probably need to refresh the page [14:00] ideacritik: i see boris... [14:00] aether9: open (Link: http://www.1904.cc/~aether/frame_cym/frame_cym.html)http://www.1904.cc/~aether/frame_cym/frame_cym.html in a separate window [14:00] aether9: and press refresh [14:01] cym: i have it in a separate window. yes it is okay now [14:02] aether9: some archive material now [14:02] ideacritik: go tesla! [14:02] *** Mode change "+o ideacritik" for channel #aether9 by dspstv. [14:02] dspstv: ciao ideacritik ! [14:03] ideacritik: thanx for chan op... :) [14:03] dspstv: np [14:03] cym: o, it is not, there is still pw*.jpg in the javascript function in the source code [14:03] dspstv: :) [14:04] cym: but the stream that plays is okay [14:04] cym: so i guess the javascript doesn't matter :-) [14:04] ideacritik: pw* is = to pw non? [14:04] aether9: its in the sourcecode but i'v commented it out [14:04] aether9: its playing only pw.jpg [14:05] cym: the stream is okay [14:06] *** paulav_ has joined #aether9. [14:06] aether9: hi paula [14:06] ideacritik: bonsoir paula [14:06] aether9: i was just starting to worry [14:06] *** Mode change "+o paulav_" for channel #aether9 by dspstv. [14:07] dspstv: que pasa paula! [14:07] paulav_: ouf [14:07] ideacritik: manu: these numbers [14:07] aether9: we are avaiting your stream on channel K [14:07] paulav_: j'ai failli ne pas y arriver [14:07] cym: i'll be back in 10 minutes or so [14:07] paulav_: alors, je me branche sur quel channel? [14:07] ideacritik: would be great for acts... like act 1 or so... what do you think folks? [14:07] dspstv: paulav_, give me your fix and mobile phone numbers please [14:07] paulav_: telephone? [14:08] dspstv: si [14:08] paulav_: 57 4 3348827 fixe colombie [14:08] paulav_: puis. portable: 57 3122974014 [14:08] paulav_: le 57 indicative colombie, 4 medellin [14:08] dspstv: im using dialstation.com great service [14:09] paulav_: pour le portable pas besoin d'indicative medellin [14:09] dspstv: oui je sais [14:09] dspstv: :P [14:12] paulav_: c'est qui ou quoi dspstv? [14:12] ideacritik: oooh. L? was for an instant merged with K.... [14:15] paulav_: the main frame marque tous les f??netres avec location zero [14:16] ideacritik: if faut cliquer sur le chiffre 1, 2 ou3 [14:16] ideacritik: pour selectionner une vitesse [14:16] dspstv: haz click en las flechas o numeros 1, 2, 3 [14:16] paulav_: alors je me branche sur K, L , M lO 1 ou X [14:16] ideacritik: (frames/secondes) [14:17] paulav_: j'y vais pour la K [14:17] ideacritik: boris you are showing images from your 'sneak peak'? [14:17] paulav_: meme si je vois la photo envoyer hier pour la L [14:17] ideacritik: c'est une erreur je crois paula [14:18] boris_: i say twice that i make turkish coffee [14:18] ideacritik: de ce que je comprends tes photos vont dans la K.... [14:18] boris_: cc:l is making merging experiments [14:18] ideacritik: yes pictures are mixing up eh? [14:18] ideacritik: ahhh! [14:18] boris_: yes because i grew bored of K [14:18] aether9: creating new patch [14:18] boris_: but i not responable for L, this is manuel [14:19] paulav_: i'm trying to send football match [14:21] aether9: mmm, after a while max has a hard time uploading [14:23] aether9: but a quick restart fixes it [14:23] boris_: i find that it is very effective to restart max... to efficiently upload new images [14:24] paulav_: yes [14:25] fe2cruz: html works in opera browser [14:25] fe2cruz: on XP [14:26] boris_: cym it's very dark where you're at [14:26] *** paulav_ has left #aether9. [14:30] aether9: ok folk, my battery is reaching the end [14:31] fe2cruz: did you have any other issues you'd like to address before your battery dies? [14:32] ideacritik: is there something in max to reset the image upload cache? maybe the constant re-writing of it poses problem... (ne sait-on jamais?) [14:32] ideacritik: think i am loosing my connection....! [14:33] cym: yes, i will put a spotlight [14:33] aether9: it would be good to reach a consensus regarding the desirable number of frames in the loop [14:33] aether9: (ideacritik: you mean max download cache?) [14:33] cym: i point it at my screen now, so you can see me work :-) [14:34] aether9: speed 1/2/3 rotates 10 frames [14:34] aether9: the "red arrow" rotates 33 frames [14:34] aether9: wich allows more interesting animation effects [14:34] fe2cruz: 33 looks great but not possible for w2f software people [14:34] aether9: but it's less direct [14:35] boris_: 33: my connexrion too slow for it... [14:35] fe2cruz: 1 & 2 seem to be all for w2ftp [14:35] aether9: for upload or for watching? [14:35] boris_: for watching [14:36] ideacritik: aether9: yes i meant upload cache... i actually don't know how the patch works so perhaps disregard. [14:36] fe2cruz: watching it was fine for all 6 frames for me on cable internet [14:36] cym: is there a certain theme for the jamsession tonight? [14:36] aether9: boris: did you try to stop all the other channels [14:36] boris_: watching on the patch is out of the question - make the patch crach [14:36] aether9: boris: indeed this became obvious [14:37] boris_: no. i want to watch everything very fast. one channe??l only works at 33 though [14:37] aether9: cym: no topic, the aim was to test the new technical framework [14:38] cym: the frames in the middle-top and middle-bottom are refreshing very very very fast [14:38] aether9: everything fast: will need to think [14:38] cym: but it doesn't create the effect of a movie, because the single images are too different [14:39] boris_: right [14:39] aether9: thanks for your participation tonight. [14:39] aether9: more discussions soon on the list [14:39] aether9: adios! [14:40] ideacritik: bonne soiree! [14:40] cym: you're leaving already? [14:40] *** aether9 has left #aether9. [14:40] boris_: yes, see you all in dreams on jungle platforms debating about central european timing [14:40] ideacritik: (his battery was dying he said cym) [14:40] cym: ah, he really was in a public place [14:40] boris_: what a progress since the actual performance... [14:41] ideacritik: the chat is certainly at a less insane rate ;) [14:41] ideacritik: haha... that was really crazy that night. [14:41] cym: my webcam seems so slow now, compared to those in the middle [14:43] ideacritik: does anyone remember the reason for choosign to upload images rather than stream video? [14:44] cym: i don't have software working to stream video [14:44] cym: that was the main reason [14:44] cym: but i would really like to try make streaming video work [14:44] ideacritik: ah. you mean hardware don'tn you? [14:44] cym: some day... [14:44] cym: i think more software [14:45] ideacritik: what are you using now? [14:45] cym: some free webcam to ftp program [14:45] boris_: sending and receiving 6 (or 9) video streams isn't impossible for medium speed adsl connections? [14:45] cym: i tried a lot of different ones [14:46] boris_: i'm sending now the performance i did the last time according to the script... [14:46] ideacritik: boris_:you are saying it *is* impossible? [14:46] boris_: no. but... [14:46] cym: so which window is you boris? [14:47] boris_: k [14:47] ideacritik: i have no clue - i'm just asking really. i have this idea that refreshing a page 9times every second is much more demandign than streaming - but that could be false. [14:47] cym: the woman? and the clouds in the sky? [14:47] ideacritik: cym : that's paula [14:48] cym: but it says k there [14:48] boris_: sorry, 10111:1 [14:48] boris_: strangely, choosing to upload 66 images seems much less efficient that 33 [14:48] boris_: it uplaods, but i don't see them [14:48] boris_: at 33 i do see them.. [14:48] cym: oh boris, i had to reload the page by hand! [14:49] cym: all the time i was watching this one same loop [14:49] cym: now i have your aether-story! [14:50] boris_: idea, on the patch, the s memory button is effective? [14:50] cym: but it seems again to be just a loop? [14:50] ideacritik: wow... i reloaded, pressed 33 and now it's going wild! [14:51] cym: i have to reload by hand, now i am getting new images in the loop again [14:51] boris_: it progresses very very slowly in an incomprehensible and random way it seems to me still [14:51] ideacritik: boris_: i'm afraid i had nothing to do with the patch... i have pd not max on my comp... [14:51] cym: you use pd? [14:51] cym: is it working with this patch? [14:51] boris_: did you adapt the patch for pd? [14:52] cym: i would like to try to set the webcam up under pd and connect with you [14:52] fe2cruz: yeah 33 is FUN [14:52] ideacritik: 33 is wild... but i get all the same images after a while. [14:52] fe2cruz: it just takes a few seconds for the browser to catch up [14:52] ideacritik: pd? i try to use pd ;p [14:52] cym: this stream like now from boris makes me crazy [14:53] cym: i would really really prefer to get just one new image every second [14:53] dspstv: me too [14:54] dspstv: 3 is my number anyhow [14:54] ideacritik: i think the speed change is a bit 'gadjetty' myself (though the 33 is certainly hilarious!) [14:54] dspstv: 33 is far to much for what is being uploaded.. not enuf images to make a sentence [14:54] dspstv: it loops to fast [14:54] dspstv: imo [14:55] ideacritik: 2 is ok. [14:55] cym: i would prefer to have the images in the right other, instead of looping them so fast, just to have a high speed [14:55] cym: other = order [14:56] cym: is someone logging this chat? to post to the list later? [14:56] fe2cruz: 1 & 2 is all that seems to work for my w2ftp [14:56] ideacritik: euh. we can save before quitting. [14:56] ideacritik: (i can save it and send on list) [14:56] cym: yes do, i don't know how to do it in bitchx [14:56] boris_: first time i use irc thing, but i will try to save it also... [14:57] fe2cruz: can everyone scroll up thier IRC chat and see the very 1st posts [14:57] boris_: ok [14:57] cym: now something new from paula appears here [14:57] dspstv: fe2cruz, i came after you [14:57] cym: imean mine x [14:57] cym: is the first line i have [14:58] fe2cruz: i'll save mine i think i was the earliest [14:58] ideacritik: [22:54] aether9: now theres simply the last frame refreshing [14:58] ideacritik: [22:54] ideacritik: bonsoir! [14:58] ideacritik: i was late.... [14:58] dspstv: thats what i meant fe2cruz :) [14:58] fe2cruz: i will for sure post it on the list [14:58] cym: just save what you have and post it [14:59] cym: better double than nothing [14:59] boris_: yes fe2cruz you are the earliest [14:59] boris_: mine starts at 22:04 [14:59] boris_: or so [15:00] ideacritik: i really think the script becomes important with so many images. [15:00] ideacritik: i really like those tesla # with lightening bolts for act changes/designation... [15:01] ideacritik: maybe i'll get a demo version of max so i can understand what you guys are on about... [15:02] boris_: here is another chapter [15:02] cym: i installed the demo of max here, but when i install also jitter max crashes [15:02] cym: and without jitter the patch doesn't work [15:02] cym: and then i gave up [15:02] ideacritik: boris_ that was great with the mask [15:03] fe2cruz: yeah the demo/jitter + patch no good, haven't tried demo with the latests patch but i think it'd be the same [15:03] ideacritik: so you are uploading directly via ftp? right? [15:03] fe2cruz: it does work on older versions if you can get your hands on a shared copy [15:04] fe2cruz: boris, you should turn this into a short silent film [15:04] fe2cruz: its so elaborate! [15:05] boris_: i setted the camera frame to frame mode... to try to get the good feeling... [15:06] cym: are you watchin boris' stream as a stream, or as the wicked html display that it is here? i find it very hard to see the silent movie within all the changing images [15:06] ideacritik: i can only watch from html... [15:06] boris_: html only [15:06] cym: me too [15:06] fe2cruz: set up in a grid i actually enjoy the jumping images [15:07] boris_: me 2 [15:07] cym: yes, i think the html for my page should be changed again, to include also those old pw1.jpg etc [15:07] cym: and then have the html change very fast and the effect would be the same [15:08] fe2cruz: cym if you want to see those images and have an ftp client just copy over 33 images named cym1.jpg thru cym33.jpg [15:08] ideacritik: who is X and 0? [15:09] fe2cruz: [x] is me christiaan [15:09] cym: but my html-page was just changed before to show only pw.jpg [15:09] ideacritik: literally you behind the betaether? [15:10] fe2cruz: it shows only pw in 1 and 2 speeds but you can have the others shown when you select 33 speed and upload your 33 images [15:10] fe2cruz: um yeah that's really me christiaan in the image groggy and hungry [15:11] cym: okay, i think i get it now :) [15:11] cym: i've changed the history to save 33 pictures [15:12] fe2cruz: cool that should do it CYM, as long as its named cym1 no 0 first through cym33.jpg because that is how the html page is reading them [15:13] ideacritik: who is 0 then? (i'm asking all the questions i had no time to at the perfoevening...) [15:13] boris_: for instance now i want to upload images from another chapter. but to do that efficiently i understand that i must quit max, restart it and send again... [15:13] fe2cruz: from what i hear a new instance of the app is required [15:13] ideacritik: so you guys have to quite and reload every time you send a new set of images? [15:14] fe2cruz: by process of elimination i think its nathalie but i'm not sure [15:14] boris_: otherwise it's erratic [15:15] boris_: i mean more erratic [15:15] fe2cruz: i think the patch needs a close all or clear all feature [15:15] ideacritik: like a reset [15:15] boris_: ! [15:15] fe2cruz: it takes too long to reload [15:16] fe2cruz: and you will get sick of seeing the cycling window [15:16] boris_: exactly [15:16] fe2cruz: and wonder what they are doing with your 800 USD [15:16] ideacritik: hahahahahahahah [15:17] ideacritik: at least when pd crashes... you think ah... open source. [15:17] fe2cruz: does anyone know how to write this patch for PD? [15:18] boris_: not me. [15:18] cym: i would like to have a look at it [15:18] ideacritik: i would love to - love to know - truth is i have to get max to even see it. i would like to work on it as a project but it will take me a long time. i think dspstv is much more versed in these matters... [15:18] cym: to create something similar for pd [15:19] fe2cruz: can someone on MAX post screen captures of the patch? would that help at all? [15:19] *** paulav has joined #aether9. [15:19] ideacritik: if i get max demo... that is better non? i could open the patch. [15:20] ideacritik: i'll look now. [15:20] dspstv: fe2cruz, it wont change much if its in max or pd [15:20] dspstv: is the protocol used [15:20] dspstv: imo [15:20] cym: hello paulav [15:20] paulav: hy [15:20] paulav: hi [15:20] *** Mode change "+o paulav" for channel #aether9 by dspstv. [15:20] paulav: i mean [15:21] paulav: i was a little lost [15:21] fe2cruz: alejo: it would still require vdig in PD or something else? [15:22] dspstv: fe2cruz, as i see it, i think html refresh and ftp upload have a limit that neither pd or max can fix [15:22] dspstv: and is nice to work like it is now [15:22] dspstv: we just have to be conscius of the limit [15:22] dspstv: and dont expect to have HDTV [15:22] dspstv: :) [15:23] cym: i would be very interested to try to create a play, a story for those slow refreshing cameras [15:23] dspstv: exactly [15:23] cym: i actually like the idea that there is a new image only every second or even slower [15:23] dspstv: agree [15:23] paulav: it takes a lot lot of time to have the new images you browse in the mainframe [15:23] fe2cruz: so is 33 just too much? too gittery should we keep it simple and stick with 1 & 2 speeds? [15:24] cym: with 9 cams in a grid it should be possible to create a nice effect, even when the changes are slow [15:24] paulav: maybe [15:24] fe2cruz: is there a way to have the images dissolve with HTML? [15:25] paulav: il like the possibility of speeds, but if it doesnt work very good? [15:25] cym: the problem with speed 33 is that you must first have 33 images :-) [15:25] cym: 33 images that sort of go together [15:25] ideacritik: could you explain dspstv? [15:25] ideacritik: am i still here? [15:25] ideacritik: (all my connections are lost except for irc!) [15:25] paulav: we didnt try something [15:26] cym: i would like to try to synchronise the content that we are sending and really work on some sort of storyboard, but a very simple thing [15:26] paulav: we could browse in ours laptops 33images, then put them appart to use it quickly, then anothers, like this we can crate carpets [15:27] cym: yes, like creating carpets [15:27] paulav: to replace the 33 quikly [15:27] cym: i would really like to experiment with colors [15:27] cym: that is a problem for me here, but maybe i can simple upload with ftp each time 33 images at once and let them loop for a while [15:27] fe2cruz: are we stuck with 6 for now? or can we jump back to 9 on the next jam test? [15:28] ideacritik: it's just a question of adjusting the html page. [15:28] ideacritik: not a big deal. [15:28] cym: if there are 9 people that take part it should work? [15:28] ideacritik: we have to try i guess.... [15:28] paulav: im doing it with 33 right now i didnt know you were doing the test with 9 [15:28] paulav: or 6 [15:28] ideacritik: the 9 square grid was aesthetically pleasing. [15:29] cym: i liked the 9 grid very much [15:29] ideacritik: paulav: we talk (i think) of the # of squares on teh screen... [15:29] fe2cruz: cym, that is what i was doing cut a video into images and then resize in photoshop then upload to ftp [15:29] ideacritik: # of participants... [15:29] cym: maybe we could make the webcams jump from one position to the other in the grid during the performance :-) [15:29] ideacritik: what do you mean cym? [15:30] fe2cruz: with virtualdub its easy to capture & create a set of images [15:30] fe2cruz: just a lot of steps [15:31] cym: fe2cruz, i'll do that! i thought it was supposed to be everything directly from the webcam [15:31] fe2cruz: well with virtualdub you can capture from the webcam still [15:32] fe2cruz: you just select your capture source [15:32] ideacritik: i think i now understand the reason for use of the patch, for uploading also things which are not directly from the webcam... .is taht correct? [15:32] fe2cruz: it captures as a video, but then you just save it as a sequence of jpgs instead [15:33] paulav: a projection like 'm doing only web cam fixed in a little modul8 screen [15:33] fe2cruz: yeah with the patch people were mixing on the fly [15:33] cym: but i could prepare several sets of jpgs and upload and change them live how i need them [15:33] boris_: there's a 5 sec delay when i upload a new pic - quite exactly [15:34] paulav: yes cym, i think it could work??we must try it [15:34] fe2cruz: with a folder and ftp client you can do the same manually [15:34] cym: i would like to try that [15:34] fe2cruz: all you have to do is manage 33 images throughout the performance [15:34] paulav: i will make the timing to upload now [15:35] fe2cruz: well 34 0-33 [15:35] cym: i will try that [15:35] cym: right now :-) [15:36] cym: in my case i think they should be called pw1.jpg etc [15:37] paulav: like a minut it tooks me [15:37] fe2cruz: to verify the file naming of your square open your specifc window solo (no mainframe) and make look in your status bar of your browser or just view the page by source [15:40] fe2cruz: the HTML code if i read it right says cym box is pw0.jpg thru pw33.jpg [15:40] fe2cruz: oh no i;m sorry no 0 [15:41] fe2cruz: cym is pw.jpg, pw1.jpg thru pw33.jpg [15:41] cym: okay [15:44] ideacritik: think i'll be off folks. have to prepare for stuff bright and early tomorow. [15:44] ideacritik: if anyone is in wien, i'll be around next week :) [15:44] ideacritik: test am i getting through? [15:45] fe2cruz: i see funny feet [15:45] ideacritik: don't think all my messages are getting through.. my connection is bad. [15:46] fe2cruz: sorry audrey, it is late over there, hope you have a good night [15:46] ideacritik: also i'm not able to download the .dmg for the max demo -- not sure what is going on in my end of [15:46] ideacritik: over there? aren't you in berlin? [15:46] ideacritik: same time zone as rottterdam [15:46] fe2cruz: me i'm in californai [15:46] ideacritik: ahah! [15:46] ideacritik: right.... [15:47] ideacritik: yes late-ish here. [15:47] fe2cruz: its not even supper yet [15:47] cym: i am close to wien ideacritik [15:47] ideacritik: don't forget to save the chat! :) [15:47] ideacritik: cym: you go to ladyfest? [15:47] fe2cruz: no worries will leave this on through the night and save and post so all can see [15:48] paulav: have a goog nia [15:48] cym: oh i don't know ideacritik, when is that? [15:48] paulav: night ideatrix [15:48] boris_: bonne nuit [15:48] paulav: asterix [15:48] ideacritik: 16-20th [15:48] ideacritik: may [15:48] ideacritik: ok guys... buenas noches [15:49] cym: lahko noc [15:49] paulav: for meee not yet, buet t [15:49] paulav: but tnk [15:49] *** ideacritik has signed off IRC ("off to count the sheep"). [15:49] boris_: me too , good nite all [15:49] fe2cruz: night boris, lovely images once again [15:49] paulav: buenas noches [15:49] cym: so where are you located everyone who is still here? [15:49] cym: yes, nice stream boris! [15:50] paulav: i'm in channel k [15:50] cym: and on the planet? [15:50] paulav: boris was which one? alejo ?still there? [15:50] fe2cruz: christiaan is lower right channel X streaming from CalifornIA [15:50] paulav: colombia [15:50] paulav: medellin [15:50] dspstv: not really paulav [15:50] dspstv: on and off [15:50] cym: boris is middle bottom [15:51] paulav: i see only 6 [15:51] paulav: not 9 [15:51] boris_: yes, images are important and as cym was saying it would be good to work on some good script that would be playable by 6 (or better: 9) remoters and image per image... maybe packets of images , not necessarly in oreder 1 to 33 but also a reset all function would be very usefull [15:51] cym: colombia? what time is it there now? [15:51] paulav: yes i'm agre, coll to think a script [15:52] paulav: 17h50 here colombia [15:52] cym: yes boris, i agree [15:52] paulav: i couls show you medellin montains now if you want [15:52] cym: i think it should be a very simple script though, not even so much a story for the start [15:52] paulav: avant la tomb?? su soleil [15:52] fe2cruz: yes please mountains! [15:53] fe2cruz: i like not seeing the script till the last minute [15:53] cym: yes i love mountains! [15:53] *** boris_ has signed off IRC (). [15:55] fe2cruz: proper purple mountians of the Americas [15:55] cym: mountains and a bird [15:58] cym: by the way, should i change the size of my images to 192x144? [15:59] fe2cruz: i changed mine to 192x144 at miguels request i think its just to keep the servers from working so hard? [16:00] fe2cruz: and your camera left a date marker in the lower left corner [16:00] paulav: i dont know actually how to change size off images [16:00] cym: i added that mark later in photoshop... [16:00] fe2cruz: you can change batches of images in photoshop [16:00] cym: i know [16:00] paulav: ah [16:01] cym: that's how i added the date-mark :-) [16:01] paulav: so that is more complicated [16:01] fe2cruz: paula, are you just using the patch? [16:02] paulav: yes [16:02] cym: but if i want turn my animation into content for the webcam, i have to rename them very quickly. first 1.jpg 2.jpg etc and then 2.jpg must be renamed to 1.jpg and 3.jpg to 2.jpg very quickly and a new 33.jpg must be added [16:02] paulav: my camera live input, only the patch [16:03] cym: into content for the html-page i mean, to make it look as if it comes from the cam [16:04] fe2cruz: thats why i use virtualdub to capture video as it does all the renaming for you [16:05] fe2cruz: in virtualdub you can even put in an avi instead of capturing and it will chop it up into properly named images too [16:06] fe2cruz: paula, with the patch i don't think you have to worry about image sizes, it takes care of everything for you. [16:06] paulav: my imags are 192x194 pixels from my camera [16:06] cym: where do i get virtualdub? it sounds good! [16:07] fe2cruz: its open source. just google it [16:08] paulav: je viens de me rendre compte. oups [16:08] paulav: on apprends des trucs tout les jours [16:09] fe2cruz: no one really develops it any more though but there is an mpeg version and a a vdubmod version too [16:09] paulav: so you are experience the sunset live from medellin [16:10] fe2cruz: that so nice of you to share that! [16:10] paulav: how are you dending images so, without the patch? [16:10] paulav: it's a pleasure to share it [16:10] fe2cruz: virtualdub & FTP client, or web2ftp software [16:11] paulav: connais pas... nulle en informatique moi [16:11] paulav: je vais regarder ??a alors [16:12] paulav: mais c'est mieux avec tout ??a que avec MAX? [16:13] paulav: d'ailleurs je n'ai pas reussi a avoir le logiciel. je n'arrive meme pas a telercherger le demo, puis pour le cracker...il m'arrive un erreur [16:13] fe2cruz: we only use these other options because we either don't have access to MAX or our cameras aren't compatible with the patch, basically windows machine vs mac machines [16:14] paulav: ok. i understand now. alejo, are you sleep? [16:14] dspstv: on and off [16:14] dspstv: que pasa? [16:14] paulav: thank you anyway. [16:15] paulav: pasa nada, ole saludando. [16:15] fe2cruz: if you use "special" versions of MAX and jitter i find that the older ones work the best and the patch still works in the older versions [16:15] dspstv: paulav, how's your weekend? [16:15] dspstv: to busy? [16:15] paulav: ok i will download the oldest [16:15] paulav: my weekend, no [16:15] dspstv: want to meet 3 friends from bogota? [16:15] paulav: yes, who [16:16] dspstv: berebere.info [16:16] dspstv: andres, camilo and gabriel zea [16:16] paulav: algo berebere en un blog tuyo [16:17] paulav: hey [16:17] paulav: te mando aqui un link de un blog qu eestoy haciendo... y te digo cuando tenga el contenido bien [16:17] paulav: del proyecto en el mar. caribe [16:17] paulav: rincon [16:17] dspstv: super [16:18] dspstv: no me dejes afuera! [16:18] dspstv: :) [16:18] dspstv: paula [16:18] paulav: no, estas adentro ya. esta linkiado lo de reciclables [16:18] dspstv: you can register your nickname [16:18] paulav: te va el link, [16:18] dspstv: then we can have private messages [16:18] dspstv: so we dont spam the channel [16:19] dspstv: :) [16:19] paulav: de hecho, me estoy ayudando de la manera como esta montado el marco teorico de reciclables [16:19] dspstv: ja [16:19] dspstv: :) [16:19] paulav: ja [16:19] dspstv: entonces pone un linkcito [16:19] dspstv: :) [16:19] dspstv: mira [16:19] nathaliefougeras: bye bye [16:19] dspstv: hace esto [16:19] paulav: ok [16:19] dspstv: ciao nathaliefougeras [16:19] paulav: bye [16:19] nathaliefougeras: i left you [16:20] dspstv: /msg nickserv register PASSWORD [16:20] dspstv: see you [16:20] dspstv: nice weekend [16:20] nathaliefougeras: nice too [16:20] dspstv: merci [16:20] fe2cruz: bye c u next time [16:20] paulav: bye nathaalie [16:21] paulav: salut salut [16:21] paulav: merci tous [16:21] nathaliefougeras: next jam session yes [16:21] paulav: alejo link [16:22] paulav: (Link: http://laborincondelmar.wordpress.com/)http://laborincondelmar.wordpress.com/ [16:22] paulav: dont know how to send privat messages [16:23] fe2cruz: you might be able to click on the persons or just set up a new channel for both of you [16:23] paulav: ah [16:23] paulav: sorry [16:23] fe2cruz: no worries [16:24] paulav: domage qu'ol n'a pas de son [16:24] paulav: viens de passer une ambulance [16:25] paulav: viens de mettre l'interval sur le patch a 5 images secs [16:25] paulav: on va voir si le ciel s'etaint vite [16:26] *** nathaliefougeras has signed off IRC (). [16:27] dspstv: paula but you need to register your name/nick so i can send private messages [16:27] dspstv: /msg nickserv register PASSWORD [16:27] cym: oh it works [16:28] fe2cruz: are you using vdub already? [16:28] cym: you must type: /msg paulav message [16:28] cym: no i tried to send a private message to paulav [16:28] cym: oh no, it doesn't work [16:28] fe2cruz: on my app i can just right click [16:28] cym: -:- Private messages from unregistered users are currently blocked due to spam [16:28] cym: problems, but you can always message a staffer. Please register! ( [16:28] cym: (Link: http://freenode.net/faq.shtml#privmsg)http://freenode.net/faq.shtml#privmsg ) [16:28] dspstv: she needs to register [16:28] dspstv: im telling [16:29] dspstv: :) [16:29] dspstv: x3 [16:29] dspstv: like you [16:29] cym: or talk in public [16:29] cym: i won't look [16:29] paulav: wait [16:29] dspstv: well, fe2cruz was, with reason annoyed [16:29] cym: sorry fe2cruz, where do i get vdub? [16:29] dspstv: we talk faster in spanish [16:30] dspstv: :) [16:30] dspstv: x2 [16:30] paulav: dale [16:30] fe2cruz: oh no i was browsing on other things, and i use a translator [16:30] dspstv: paula podes hacer esto: [16:30] dspstv: /msg nickserv register PASSWORD [16:30] fe2cruz: that is when i can't undestand it too much [16:30] paulav: no he podido encontrar en el programita lo que me dices, es mi priera vez con el colloquy [16:30] paulav: ?? [16:30] dspstv: cambia password [16:31] paulav: como esta en espa??ol, estoy bsucando [16:31] paulav: en preferencias? [16:31] dspstv: solo escribi eso en la ventana donde escribis [16:31] fe2cruz: (Link: http://www.videohelp.com/tools/Virtualdub-MPEG2)http://www.videohelp.com/tools/Virtualdub-MPEG2 [16:32] cym: thanx fe2cruz - i will have a better look at it tomorrow, it is really too late for me now [16:33] fe2cruz: no problem, thanks for hanging out so late! [16:33] cym: i have one job to finish still tonight! [16:34] cym: otherwise i would be sleeping already now... [16:34] cym: paulav, what was this link you sent? [16:34] cym: (Link: http://laborincondelmar.wordpress.com/)http://laborincondelmar.wordpress.com/ - Sorry, but you are looking for something that isn't here. [16:38] paulav: the link was for alejo [16:38] paulav: to alejo [16:38] paulav: sorry [16:38] paulav: its a project i'm doing [16:38] cym: it is a nice photo :-) [16:38] paulav: i will put it in english and french soon [16:38] paulav: then i send it to you [16:39] paulav: it??s a multidiciplinaire labo to solve problens dans un coin du paradise [16:39] paulav: le monde est possible autrement peut etre [16:44] paulav: tnk la photo a ete prise par un ami [16:47] paulav: bye [16:47] paulav: sleep [16:47] cym: yes sleep [16:47] paulav: i have to do things too.... what time is it there, there are people awake [16:47] paulav: sleep [16:48] paulav: bye [16:48] cym: here it is 1:48 on my clock [16:48] cym: in the night [16:48] paulav: ok [16:48] cym: but still have to finish something... [16:49] cym: send me your project when you have translations [16:49] paulav: ok [16:50] cym: good night [16:50] cym: or good evening [16:52] paulav: it could be night now [16:53] paulav: avant espionnage de voisins [16:53] cym: then good night :-) [16:53] paulav: see, my neigborhoods [16:53] cym: ah that is you still sending live? [16:53] paulav: funny thing [16:54] paulav: yes, i did not stp since the begining [16:54] cym: oh... [16:54] cym: i will try to make a nice default set of 33 images when i am not streaming [16:55] cym: but now i really have to say good night [16:56] cym: good night and see you next web cam jam [16:56] fe2cruz: night night to you both [16:56] paulav: ok night [16:56] fe2cruz: night to you 2 alejo [16:57] *** cym has left #aether9. [16:57] dspstv: eii nite [16:57] dspstv: i idle in this channel [16:57] dspstv: :) [16:58] fe2cruz: cool i'll save the text and post it now on the mailing list [16:58] paulav: 8) [16:58] paulav: great, From 1.1 [*] 1904.cc Wed May 16 01:50:24 2007 From: 1.1 [*] 1904.cc (1.1 [*] 1904.cc) Date: Wed, 16 May 2007 01:50:24 +0200 Subject: [aether] aether news Message-ID: hi all, busy week, in belgrade for a few days. but here are some thoughts, + some extracts of our recent chat chatter. a) technical considerations some explanations about the HTML interface: open http://www.1904.cc/~aether/control_panel.html click on "open mainframe" try the different buttons: mode 1,2,3 are cycling 10 images (1: refresh every 4 seconds, 2: every second, 3: 5 frames per second) in mode "33", 33 images are loaded and cycled at high speed (actually 8 images per second). this speed couldn't be obtained if the page was refreshing each image everytime it's read. therefore, the images are refreshed at a much slower speed, 1 img per second. so if the performer is transmitting, the loop will be changing very slowly over time. [23:52] ideacritik: 33 is wild... but i get all the same images after a while. [23:52] fe2cruz: it just takes a few seconds for the browser to catch up in mode 1,2,3, each image is refreshed at the moment it is played. so this is closer to "realtime", but it also limits the speed at which the images can cycle. b) general speed considerations: [23:54] ideacritik: i think the speed change is a bit 'gadjetty' myself (though the 33 is certainly hilarious!) [23:54] dspstv: 33 is far to much for what is being uploaded.. not enuf images to make a sentence [23:54] dspstv: it loops to fast [23:54] dspstv: imo [23:55] ideacritik: 2 is ok. [0:25] cym: the problem with speed 33 is that you must first have 33 images :-) [0:25] cym: 33 images that sort of go together c) GRID FORMAT: 6 or 9 frames [0:27] fe2cruz: are we stuck with 6 for now? or can we jump back to 9 on the next jam test? [0:28] ideacritik: it's just a question of adjusting the html page. [0:28] ideacritik: not a big deal. [0:28] cym: if there are 9 people that take part it should work? [0:28] ideacritik: the 9 square grid was aesthetically pleasing. [0:29] cym: i liked the 9 grid very much Comment: 6 frames was really for testing only, with a one-screen computer it's much easier like that, when you need to share the screen between, the HTML frames, the chat, the upload software... 9-frame setting should stay imo the standard for the actual performance. d) the noble art of patching: [0:17] fe2cruz: does anyone know how to write this patch for PD? [0:18] boris_: not me. [0:18] cym: i would like to have a look at it [0:19] fe2cruz: can someone on MAX post screen captures of the patch? would that help at all? no time for that this week, but more explanations about the inner workings of the patch will follow. also, i just discovered through the max list (thanks to a guy called vade who did an interesting webcam project: http://abstrakt.vade.info/?p=80 ) some techniques that could improve the receiving part of the patch significantly and eventually allow it to download the images fast and without crashing... e) concept + content [0:23] cym: i would be very interested to try to create a play, a story for those slow refreshing cameras [0:23] dspstv: exactly [0:23] cym: i actually like the idea that there is a new image only every second or even slower [0:23] dspstv: agree [0:23] fe2cruz: so is 33 just too much? too gittery should we keep it simple and stick with 1 & 2 speeds? [0:24] cym: with 9 cams in a grid it should be possible to create a nice effect, even when the changes are slow [0:24] paulav: maybe [0:25] paulav: il like the possibility of speeds, but if it doesnt work very good? [0:51] boris_: yes, images are important and as cym was saying it would be good to work on some good script that would be playable by 6 (or better: 9) remoters and image per image... maybe packets of images , not necessarly in oreder 1 to 33 but also a reset all function would be very usefull Comment: yes, we need to develop some narrative outline. Concept proposal: GHOST STORY (Ghost Stories from Medellin, from the Californian desert, from the Austrian woods, from the Swiss heights..... we would also really need some Japanese or Korean ghost involved .. think Kairo). Also with our 9-frame split-screen setup, maybe some inpiration could come from such split-narration epics as the Canterbury Tales, the Manuscript of Saragossa.... f) some more possible applications: again very short term, if someone of you would have time and motivation to put together material for an application, would be great. best, manuel ------ ACM Multimedia 2007 Interactive Art Program 23-29 September, Augsburg, Germany http://iap07.multimedia.fh-augsburg.de/ CALL FOR EXHIBITION ENTRIES AND PAPERS ACM Multimedia 2007 is the premier annual multimedia conference, covering all aspects of multimedia computing. The ACM MM Interactive Art Program seeks to bring together the arts and multimedia communities to create the stage to explore, discuss, and push the limits for the advancement of both multimedia technology through the arts, and the arts through multimedia technology. This fourth version of the Interactive Art Program will consist of a conference track and an art exhibition. We invite artists working with digital media and researchers in technical areas to submit their original contributions to the following tracks: ? Conference track: we solicit papers describing interactive multimedia artworks, tools, applications, and technical approaches for creative uses of multimedia content and technology as well as technical approaches for the management of art-related media collections. Emphasis will be given to novel works that use a rich variety of media and those that are interactive, particularly works that exploit non-conventional human-computer interfaces or sensors in new and emerging areas. We strongly encourage papers with a strong technical content written by artists. Papers may be long (10 pages) or short (2 to 4 pages). Long papers are presented in front of an audience and short papers are presented in poster format. New Deadline for full papers to the Arts Program Conference Track May 22, 2007 Deadline for short papers to the Arts Program Conference Track June 1, 2007 ? Multimedia art exhibition: "I / You / Other". We seek artworks that use multimedia to explore issues of self-exploration, self-presentation towards another, the self in a group or the group as a self. We particularly seek interactive multimedia works that by combining multiple media, technologies, and novel technical ideas, realize strong artistic concepts that give a new perspective on the topic of the exhibition. New Deadline for submission to the Art Exhibition: May 22, 2007 For further submission details please see http://iap07.multimedia.fh-augsburg.de/ Accepted papers and art works will be published in the ACM Multimedia Conference proceedings. Important Dates May 22, 2007 Long papers and art exhibitions submission deadline. June 1, 2007 Short papers submission deadline. June 20, 2007 Authors notification. July 20, 2007 Camera-ready papers due. Program Chairs Alejandro Jaimes, IDIAP Research Institute , Switzerland (Alex.Jaimes at idiap.ch ) Frank Nack, University Claude Bernard Lyon 1, France (frank.nack at liris.cnrs.fr ) Thomas Rist, FH Augsburg, Germany (tr at rz.fh-augsburg.de ) Curatorial Committee Annet Decker, Montevideo, Amsterdam Anne Nigten, V2_, Institute for the Unstable Media, Rotterdam Prof. Robert Rose, time based media, Faculty of Design, Augsburg University of Applied Sciences, Augsburg From fe2cruz at [nospam] hotmail.com Thu May 17 06:32:03 2007 From: fe2cruz at [nospam] hotmail.com (christiaan cruz) Date: Wed, 16 May 2007 21:32:03 -0700 Subject: [aether] Submitted Aether to 07/07/07 conference RE: aether news Message-ID: This is what I said: "?ther9" is an international group streamed video piece. http://n3krozoft.com/remote/ On 07/07/07 we could stream in the morning or afternoon. The piece consists of an HTML website with a control interface for 9 cells of live streaming video from 9 different international locations. The images and themes would be Aleotoric and touch on all the major issues of your conference visually, aesthetically and technically. After the live stream the performance could be viewed again directly from the website. This is the call: youtube.com/070707Chance http://www.generatorx.no/20070424/call-elements-of-chance/ Elements of Chance is a YouTube-based conference, organized by Greg Niemeyer and Meredith Hoy at the Center for New Media, Berkeley: Elements of Chance. On July 7, 2007, The Center for New Media at the University of California at Berkeley will hold a conference entitled ?Elements of Chance?. Seventh in a series of algorithmically timed events, the first of which took place at SFMOMA on 01/01/01, the subject of this conference is the role of chance operations in new media artifacts, such as games, music, simulations, and images. The algorithmic basis of digital media has encouraged a proliferation of projects that explore the generative effects of randomness and probability in the field of art production. When and how do media developers, programmers, and artists choose to allow random or pseudo-random operations to affect the performance of a media artifact?[?]Instead of traditional papers we solicit video contributions that engage these questions. Each presenter will film either a 7 or a 14 minute video discussing the role of chance in a particular work. We encourage submissions from both art practitioners and art critics/historians. To that end, presenters may speak about their own work or about another artist, as long as the content of the video circulates around the central theme of ?chance?. This is what I've learned via email from Meredith and Greg. The conference seems to still be in the works. They are adjusting the formats. An important part of the conference is not using resources to travel. So the stream would be IDEAL! I'll keep you all posted as I continue my contact with them. But for now try to keep July 7th 2007 open for a stream. And get some ideas for images: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aleatoric_music Stream ON! -christiaan > From: aether-request at [nospam] 1904.cc> Subject: aether Digest, Vol 1, Issue 10> To: aether at [nospam] 1904.cc> Date: Wed, 16 May 2007 12:00:02 +0200> > Send aether mailing list submissions to> aether at [nospam] 1904.cc> > To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit> http://lists.1904.cc/mailman/listinfo/aether> or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to> aether-request at [nospam] 1904.cc> > You can reach the person managing the list at> aether-owner at [nospam] 1904.cc> > When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific> than "Re: Contents of aether digest..."> > > Today's Topics:> > 1. aether news (1.1 [*] 1904.cc)> > > ----------------------------------------------------------------------> > Message: 1> Date: Wed, 16 May 2007 01:50:24 +0200> From: 1.1 [*] 1904.cc> Subject: [aether] aether news> To: aether at [nospam] 1904.cc> Message-ID: > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" ; format="flowed"> > hi all,> > busy week, in belgrade for a few days. but here > are some thoughts, + some extracts of our recent > chat chatter.> > > a) technical considerations> > some explanations about the HTML interface:> open http://www.1904.cc/~aether/control_panel.html> click on "open mainframe"> try the different buttons:> > mode 1,2,3 are cycling 10 images> (1: refresh every 4 seconds, 2: every second, 3: 5 frames per second)> > in mode "33", 33 images are loaded and cycled at > high speed (actually 8 images per second).> this speed couldn't be obtained if the page was > refreshing each image everytime it's read. > therefore, the images are refreshed at a much > slower speed, 1 img per second.> so if the performer is transmitting, the loop > will be changing very slowly over time.> > [23:52] ideacritik: 33 is wild... but i get all the same images after a while.> [23:52] fe2cruz: it just takes a few seconds for the browser to catch up> > in mode 1,2,3, each image is refreshed at the > moment it is played. so this is closer to > "realtime", but it also limits the speed at which > the images can cycle.> > > > b) general speed considerations:> > [23:54] ideacritik: i think the speed change is a > bit 'gadjetty' myself (though the 33 is certainly > hilarious!)> [23:54] dspstv: 33 is far to much for what is > being uploaded.. not enuf images to make a > sentence> [23:54] dspstv: it loops to fast> [23:54] dspstv: imo> [23:55] ideacritik: 2 is ok.> [0:25] cym: the problem with speed 33 is that you must first have 33 images :-)> [0:25] cym: 33 images that sort of go together> > > > c) GRID FORMAT: 6 or 9 frames> > [0:27] fe2cruz: are we stuck with 6 for now? or > can we jump back to 9 on the next jam test?> [0:28] ideacritik: it's just a question of adjusting the html page.> [0:28] ideacritik: not a big deal.> [0:28] cym: if there are 9 people that take part it should work?> [0:28] ideacritik: the 9 square grid was aesthetically pleasing.> [0:29] cym: i liked the 9 grid very much> > Comment: 6 frames was really for testing only, > with a one-screen computer it's much easier like > that, when you need to share the screen between, > the HTML frames, the chat, the upload software... > 9-frame setting should stay imo the standard for > the actual performance.> > > d) the noble art of patching:> > [0:17] fe2cruz: does anyone know how to write this patch for PD?> [0:18] boris_: not me.> [0:18] cym: i would like to have a look at it> [0:19] fe2cruz: can someone on MAX post screen > captures of the patch? would that help at all?> > no time for that this week, but more explanations > about the inner workings of the patch will > follow. also, i just discovered through the max > list (thanks to a guy called vade who did an > interesting webcam project: > http://abstrakt.vade.info/?p=80 ) some techniques > that could improve the receiving part of the > patch significantly and eventually allow it to > download the images fast and without crashing...> > > e) concept + content> > [0:23] cym: i would be very interested to try to > create a play, a story for those slow refreshing > cameras> [0:23] dspstv: exactly> [0:23] cym: i actually like the idea that there > is a new image only every second or even slower> [0:23] dspstv: agree> [0:23] fe2cruz: so is 33 just too much? too > gittery should we keep it simple and stick with 1 > & 2 speeds?> [0:24] cym: with 9 cams in a grid it should be > possible to create a nice effect, even when the > changes are slow> [0:24] paulav: maybe> [0:25] paulav: il like the possibility of speeds, > but if it doesnt work very good?> > [0:51] boris_: yes, images are important and as > cym was saying it would be good to work on some > good script that would be playable by 6 (or > better: 9) remoters and image per image... maybe > packets of images , not necessarly in oreder 1 to > 33 but also a reset all function would be very > usefull> > Comment: yes, we need to develop some narrative > outline. Concept proposal: GHOST STORY (Ghost > Stories from Medellin, from the Californian > desert, from the Austrian woods, from the Swiss > heights..... we would also really need some > Japanese or Korean ghost involved .. think Kairo).> Also with our 9-frame split-screen setup, maybe > some inpiration could come from such > split-narration epics as the Canterbury Tales, > the Manuscript of Saragossa....> > > f) some more possible applications:> again very short term, if someone of you would > have time and motivation to put together material > for an application, would be great.> > best,> manuel> > ------> > ACM Multimedia 2007> Interactive Art Program> 23-29 September, Augsburg, Germany> http://iap07.multimedia.fh-augsburg.de/> > CALL FOR EXHIBITION ENTRIES AND PAPERS> > ACM Multimedia 2007 is the premier annual > multimedia conference, covering all aspects of > multimedia computing. The ACM MM Interactive Art > Program seeks to bring together the arts and > multimedia communities to create the stage to > explore, discuss, and push the limits for the > advancement of both multimedia technology through > the arts, and the arts through multimedia > technology.> > This fourth version of the Interactive Art > Program will consist of a conference track and an > art exhibition. We invite artists working with > digital media and researchers in technical areas > to submit their original contributions to the > following tracks:> ? Conference track: we solicit papers describing > interactive multimedia artworks, tools, > applications, and technical approaches for > creative uses of multimedia content and > technology as well as technical approaches for > the management of art-related media collections. > Emphasis will be given to novel works that use a > rich variety of media and those that are > interactive, particularly works that exploit > non-conventional human-computer interfaces or > sensors in new and emerging areas. We strongly > encourage papers with a strong technical content > written by artists. Papers may be long (10 pages) > or short (2 to 4 pages). Long papers are > presented in front of an audience and short > papers are presented in poster format. New > Deadline for full papers to the Arts Program > Conference Track May 22, 2007> Deadline for short papers to the Arts Program Conference Track June 1, 2007> > ? Multimedia art exhibition: "I / You / Other". > We seek artworks that use multimedia to explore > issues of self-exploration, self-presentation > towards another, the self in a group or the group > as a self. We particularly seek interactive > multimedia works that by combining multiple > media, technologies, and novel technical ideas, > realize strong artistic concepts that give a new > perspective on the topic of the exhibition.> > New Deadline for submission to the Art Exhibition: May 22, 2007> > For further submission details please see > http://iap07.multimedia.fh-augsburg.de/> > Accepted papers and art works will be published > in the ACM Multimedia Conference proceedings.> Important Dates> May 22, 2007 Long papers and art exhibitions submission deadline.> June 1, 2007 Short papers submission deadline.> June 20, 2007 Authors notification. July 20, 2007> Camera-ready papers due.> > Program Chairs> Alejandro Jaimes, IDIAP Research Institute , > Switzerland (Alex.Jaimes at idiap.ch > )> Frank Nack, University Claude Bernard Lyon 1, > France (frank.nack at liris.cnrs.fr > )> Thomas Rist, FH Augsburg, Germany > (tr at rz.fh-augsburg.de > )> > Curatorial Committee Annet Decker, Montevideo, Amsterdam> Anne Nigten, V2_, Institute for the Unstable Media, Rotterdam> Prof. Robert Rose, time based media, Faculty of > Design, Augsburg University of Applied Sciences, > Augsburg> > > ------------------------------> > _______________________________________________> aether mailing list> aether at [nospam] 1904.cc> http://lists.1904.cc/mailman/listinfo/aether> > > End of aether Digest, Vol 1, Issue 10> ************************************* -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.1904.cc/pipermail/aether/attachments/20070516/ca679aab/attachment.html From bk at [nospam] n3krozoft.com Fri May 18 20:03:31 2007 From: bk at [nospam] n3krozoft.com (bk) Date: Fri, 18 May 2007 20:03:31 +0200 Subject: [aether] captation Message-ID: <464DEA73.6040309 {a+} n3krozoft.com> hello dear aether9 listers, - i digitalised the aether9 performance of the n3krozoft brussels group (and added some sound). you can download it on ftp://artslashmedia.net/web/boris/vids !!! (login: aether pass: ********) - if you still have some data from the performance (or the jam session or other related data) that you could upload for the viewing pleasure of rest of us, please do it on ftp://artslashmedia.net/web/ (same log/pass). it will also be usefull to create a web archive of the project and also here in brussels a student is doing a dvd report for her digital media class about the aether9 project and evolution and all materials would be usefull for her. (if you never uploaded to an ftp server: download a software like fetch (wich is for mac) - fetchsoftworks.com - and use it intuitively). - a technical question: do you know how to convert the .ogg streams that i downloaded from the aether9 pre-performance stream to a quicktime compatible format? i know vlc should do it in principle, but in that case the transcoding isn't working, i don't know why. do you know another method than using vlc??? have a good day, boris From alejoduque at [nospam] gmail.com Fri May 18 20:19:56 2007 From: alejoduque at [nospam] gmail.com (alejo d) Date: Fri, 18 May 2007 20:19:56 +0200 Subject: [aether] captation In-Reply-To: <464DEA73.6040309 {a+} n3krozoft.com> References: <464DEA73.6040309 {a+} n3krozoft.com> Message-ID: On 5/18/07, bk wrote: > > do you know how to convert the .ogg streams > that i downloaded from the aether9 pre-performance stream to a quicktime > compatible format? > i know vlc should do it in principle, but in that case the transcoding > isn't working, i don't know why. do you know another method than using > vlc??? i have done it with vlc and just downloaded some new components from bittorrent for quicktime 7 that hopefully will do that.. other than that what i do is always in the opposite route.. liberating video from closed and propietary codec and for that one should use ffmpeg2theora, i know is not what you need but just in case others need such thing. i will keep you posted if i manage to do it in quicktime though i trully doubt it. we willl see, /a -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Its due now, and seems like a proper event for the project. > New Deadline for submission to the Art Exhibition: May 22, 2007 > > For further submission details please see > http://iap07.multimedia.fh-augsburg.de/ > Important Dates > May 22, 2007 Long papers and art exhibitions submission deadline. _______________________________________________ aether mailing list aether at [nospam] 1904.cc http://lists.1904.cc/mailman/listinfo/aether Le tout nouveau Yahoo! Courriel. Consultez vos fils RSS depuis votre bo?te de r?ception. http://us.rd.yahoo.com/evt=40705/*http://mrd.mail.yahoo.com/try_beta?.intl=cf -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.1904.cc/pipermail/aether/attachments/20070522/f6708f29/attachment.html From 1.1 [*] 1904.cc Tue May 22 11:59:38 2007 From: 1.1 [*] 1904.cc (1.1 [*] 1904.cc) Date: Tue, 22 May 2007 11:59:38 +0200 Subject: [aether] ACM Augsburg, Germany In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: hi chris, thanks for reminding this (and thanks for submitting aether to the 070707 event, we will need to discuss that later) indeed this call for projects looks so fitting it would be a pity to miss it. let's quickly trow our material together!! here are the instructions for submission to the art exhibition part: http://iap07.multimedia.fh-augsburg.de/03_art_ex_subm.html shortly, three things have to be submitted: 1) Project Information Sheet - I'm going to fill that out. 2) Complete Exhibition Statement Paper (1 or 2 pages) - needs to be written quickly!!! . "The statement should have an abstract, make reference to and discuss related work, describe artistic motivation and technical aspects". 3) URL to supporting materials - for that i'm going to put on n3krozoft.com/remote all existing IMG and VIDEO material. I'm also going to list there all participants with link + a randomly selected picture. I hope none of you has objections to this, if you want me to edit your descript or change the picture, just tell me. i just created an account at edas.info so i'm able to upload the papers. faster faster!! regards, manuel >Was anyone able to submit an entry form for Aether9 locally in >Augsburg, Germany? >Its due now, and seems like a proper event for the project. > > >> New Deadline for submission to the Art Exhibition: May 22, 2007 >> >> For further submission details please see > > >http://iap07.multimedia.fh-augsburg.de/ > > Important Dates > > May 22, 2007 Long papers and art exhibitions submission deadline. From 1.1 [*] 1904.cc Tue May 22 12:01:56 2007 From: 1.1 [*] 1904.cc (1.1 [*] 1904.cc) Date: Tue, 22 May 2007 12:01:56 +0200 Subject: [aether] captation In-Reply-To: <464DEA73.6040309 {a+} n3krozoft.com> References: <464DEA73.6040309 {a+} n3krozoft.com> Message-ID: >- a technical question: do you know how to convert the .ogg streams >that i downloaded from the aether9 pre-performance stream to a quicktime >compatible format? >i know vlc should do it in principle, but in that case the transcoding >isn't working, i don't know why. do you know another method than using >vlc??? > i don't know any other method than VLC. i exported ogg files successfully with VLC 0.8.6x. i don't have the ogg files from the performance, but it worked with some other ogg files i had on my harddisk... so you can try if this method works: - you open the ogg movie in VLC. - you choose the menu file -> streaming/exporting wizard - you select "transcode/save to file" - you choose "existing playlist item" and select your file - you set your transcoding options (i got a nice result with H.264 at 1024 bitrate or more, my files didnt have audio but if you need it, choose MP4 audio). - select the encapsulation format (in this case MPEG4). - under "select the file to save to", click "Choose" and give a filename such as something.mp4 - then you click on finish.. in my case this exports the movie to a .mp4 file that can be opened by quicktime etc. >(if you never uploaded to an ftp server: download a software like fetch >(wich is for mac) - fetchsoftworks.com - and use it intuitively). on mac there's now something better than fetch: cyberduck.ch - free + opensource. best, manuel From fougeras_nathalie at [nospam] yahoo.fr Tue May 22 14:27:20 2007 From: fougeras_nathalie at [nospam] yahoo.fr (fougeras nathalie) Date: Tue, 22 May 2007 14:27:20 +0200 (CEST) Subject: [aether] RE : aether Digest, Vol 1, Issue 14 In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <544567.21899.qm {a+} web26602.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> Hi all, I'll try send a short paper so the dead line is june thanks for information If a person send a paper if it's possible i would like o read it.. read you later cheers Nathalie --- aether-request at [nospam] 1904.cc a ?crit : > Send aether mailing list submissions to > aether at [nospam] 1904.cc > > To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, > visit > http://lists.1904.cc/mailman/listinfo/aether > or, via email, send a message with subject or body > 'help' to > aether-request at [nospam] 1904.cc > > You can reach the person managing the list at > aether-owner at [nospam] 1904.cc > > When replying, please edit your Subject line so it > is more specific > than "Re: Contents of aether digest..." > > > Today's Topics: > > 1. 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Re : ACM Augsburg, Germany (::audrey::) > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Message: 1 > Date: Mon, 21 May 2007 23:25:55 -0700 > From: christiaan cruz > Subject: [aether] ACM Augsburg, Germany > To: > Message-ID: > > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" > > Was anyone able to submit an entry form for Aether9 > locally in Augsburg, Germany?Its due now, and seems > like a proper event for the project. > > > > New Deadline for submission to the Art Exhibition: > May 22, 2007> > For further submission details > please see > > http://iap07.multimedia.fh-augsburg.de/> Important > Dates> May 22, 2007 Long papers and art exhibitions > submission deadline. > -------------- next part -------------- > An HTML attachment was scrubbed... > URL: > http://lists.1904.cc/pipermail/aether/attachments/20070521/cf2e92a2/attachment-0001.html > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 2 > Date: Tue, 22 May 2007 01:12:31 -0700 (PDT) > From: "::audrey::" > Subject: [aether] Re : ACM Augsburg, Germany > To: //// collaborative networked performance //// > > Message-ID: > <320675.22623.qm at web50204.mail.re2.yahoo.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" > > sorry. deathly overloaded this week.... > not i. > audrey|ideacritik > > ----- Message initial ---- > De : christiaan cruz > ? : aether at [nospam] 1904.cc > Envoy? le : mardi 22 mai 2007, 08 h 25 min 55 s > Objet : [aether] ACM Augsburg, Germany > > > > > P > { > margin:0px;padding:0px;} > body > { > FONT-SIZE:10pt;FONT-FAMILY:Tahoma;} > > Was anyone able to submit an entry form for Aether9 > locally in Augsburg, Germany? > Its due now, and seems like a proper event for the > project. > > > > > > > New Deadline for submission to the Art Exhibition: > May 22, 2007 > > > > For further submission details please see > > http://iap07.multimedia.fh-augsburg.de/ > > Important Dates > > May 22, 2007 Long papers and art exhibitions > submission deadline. > > > _______________________________________________ > aether mailing list > aether at [nospam] 1904.cc > http://lists.1904.cc/mailman/listinfo/aether > > > > > > > > Le tout nouveau Yahoo! 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Mail From 1.1 [*] 1904.cc Tue May 22 22:23:39 2007 From: 1.1 [*] 1904.cc (1.1 [*] 1904.cc) Date: Tue, 22 May 2007 22:23:39 +0200 Subject: [aether] ACM Augsburg - submitted In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: hi fellow aetherniks, we just sent the submission for the ACM Interactive Arts Event in Augsburg. let's cross fingers... you can have a look at the posted documents here: http://1904.cc/~aether/material/EXHIBITION_STATEMENT.doc http://1904.cc/~aether/material/Project_Description.pdf chris, you mentionned two other potential events, P.Art.y2007 in Korea & Mobilefest in Brazil, send us the links please. and for your general information, our n3krozoft team is setting up an exhibition in a galery space in brussels in 4 weeks, 14-16th june, and some performance is planned. that would be an occasion to implement a new and improved version of aether9... if interested tell us your availability at that dates... and also we need to push forward the content a bit. more soon best, manuel From lauredinateur at [nospam] yahoo.de Wed May 23 01:40:52 2007 From: lauredinateur at [nospam] yahoo.de (laure deselys) Date: Wed, 23 May 2007 01:40:52 +0200 (CEST) Subject: [aether] academia In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <20070522234052.35814.qmail {a+} web26711.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> hello all, i've been following all the aether9 adventure since the begining without being very participative. Technically i took part on Thursday'd 3rd performance in Brussels. Since then i'm part-time behind Boris shoulder looking at how everything is evolving. i decided to give a lecture and produce a dvd about the aether9 project (intentions, implementations and development) for my digital arts class (i'm in the sculpture department of La Cambre art school in brussels). this work is due for this friday, so i must construct everything quickly now. i have a lot of documentation of different nature. but it would be nice to have some written statements from the remote participants. so if you wish to write something about your experience in relation to the aether9 project, it would be very welcome for my academic project (i imagine that it could be either theoretical or not theoretical at all but about subjective feelings - how it began, what happened during the performance, how it is going on for instance...). again, as my work is due for friday the 25th, it would be great if you could answer this mail as soon as you can. to the geneva group : could you upload exerpts of the videos acts you performed on thursday 3rd if possible? hope to hear from you all Laure --- 1.1 [*] 1904.cc schrieb: > hi fellow aetherniks, > > we just sent the submission for the ACM Interactive > Arts Event in Augsburg. > let's cross fingers... > > you can have a look at the posted documents here: > http://1904.cc/~aether/material/EXHIBITION_STATEMENT.doc > http://1904.cc/~aether/material/Project_Description.pdf > > chris, you mentionned two other potential events, > P.Art.y2007 in > Korea & Mobilefest in Brazil, send us the links > please. > > and for your general information, our n3krozoft team > is setting up an > exhibition in a galery space in brussels in 4 weeks, > 14-16th june, > and some performance is planned. that would be an > occasion to > implement a new and improved version of aether9... > > if interested tell us your availability at that > dates... and also we > need to push forward the content a bit. > > more soon > > best, > manuel > > _______________________________________________ > aether mailing list > aether at [nospam] 1904.cc > http://lists.1904.cc/mailman/listinfo/aether > ___________________________________________________________ Der fr?he Vogel f?ngt den Wurm. Hier gelangen Sie zum neuen Yahoo! Mail: http://mail.yahoo.de From theleague at [nospam] imaginaryscience.org Wed May 23 05:06:18 2007 From: theleague at [nospam] imaginaryscience.org (The League of Imaginary Scientists) Date: Tue, 22 May 2007 20:06:18 -0700 Subject: [aether] academia In-Reply-To: <20070522234052.35814.qmail {a+} web26711.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> Message-ID: Dear Laure/ fellow aethernauts, The League of Imaginary Scientists has been collectively busy! Lamentably, we missed the jam session - had a show that weekend, and one of our members is expecting a baby any day now! Admittedly, I am behind on getting our documentation to you all. I will try by Friday for Laure?s project. Onward! Two ideas for festivals/opportunities ? the first, I have been asked to participate in an on-line chat Saturday: In collaboration with VIVO and VJ Theory, The Escape Artists presents INTERCONTINENTAL SKYPE DISCUSSION ON VJ THEORY (vjtheory.net), PRACTICE AND FUTURE DIRECTIONS LOCALLY AND GLOBALLY.* 1-3 pm, Saturday, May 26th at the VIVO (Video In | Video Out), 1965 Main Street, Vancouver, 604-872-8337 I would like to reference the Aether project during this chat, and if any of you can participate ? we can carry on the discussion that Laure is prompting. Or, if people cannot represent their positions live, perhaps, Laure, you can send me the composite text from your lecture, and I can post excerpts from this. The second opportunity ? last year I collaborated with the Au-based Aether team led by Rhys on a cross-continental ?dinner party? for the (re)actor conference in London in early September. The new (re)actor conference call http://www.digitalliveart.com is out for this year, and I could take the lead and propose a remote Aether performance (none of us would have to be there, unless someone happens to be located in London!). This could be an on-line broadcast with local venues if any of us can arrange them. The theme for this year?s conference is Bad Girls, Gadgets, and Guerrilla Performance (keynote speaker - the Guerrilla Girls), and given our early email back and forth on gender identities and our narrative, perhaps this would be appropriate ? your collective/independent thoughts? With regard to my experience (per Laure's request), and questions about narrative development, here goes: I have been thinking about how we can push the narrative and aesthetic components of the project, perhaps by loosely choreographing components that appear in the grid. This could be text that reads across the grid, or a character that walks across the screen, only as one element in the larger, improvised experiment. What appealed to me about our collective experiment were the many layers involved - specifically, the entwined narratives of mythology, science, and technology (themes generated by the workshop group!) - and the physical embodiment of that complexity (tiers of the grid referencing physical/metaphysical tiers). I think we could push the narrative on another level, as coordinated actions that imply physical connectivity - making apparent that we are indeed connected, though obviously distant. That said, the imaginary scientists really liked the experimental nature of the collective (and almost) unsupervised narrative. Regarding the philosophical or academic side of our experiment, perhaps you (Laure) can use elements from an article I wrote for the book VJ Theory - online at http://www.vjtheory.net/art/ah-ha.htm ? in which I interview artists working with interactive media. Here also is my subjective definition of realtime interaction: Realtime Interaction is in some sense an oxymoron: realtime, as in now and live, implies technological mediation, while the word interaction requires contact and connection. These seemingly contradictory notions of technological distance and personal exchange become married in interactive media art. At the core of interactive art is this strange union of the disconnected and personal, the interconnected and distant. In the fall, as an artist at residence at CalArts, I collaborated with students in my interactive media workshop entitled, InterPlay. The objective of the workshop was to explore possibilities for meaningful interaction through telematic exchange, the results of which would be presented simultaneously at Australia?s Electrofringe festival (again with Rhys in Australia) and at CalArts as an interactive piece between remote viewers. Students unanimously wanted to offer something physical to the viewers on the other side of the world. Remote Tea, the resulting project, is a prototype for realtime exchange - a marriage of the disconnected and personal, the interconnected and distant. http://www.workofbox.com/avatar/ Laure, hope some of this may congeal! Lucy (Dr. Gomez) of the League The League of Imaginary Scientists On 5/22/07 4:40 PM, "laure deselys" wrote: > hello all, > > i've been following all the aether9 adventure since > the begining without being very participative. > Technically i took part on Thursday'd 3rd performance > in Brussels. Since then i'm part-time behind Boris > shoulder looking at how everything is evolving. > > i decided to give a lecture and produce a dvd about > the aether9 project (intentions, implementations and > development) for my digital arts class (i'm in the > sculpture department of La Cambre art school in > brussels). this work is due for this friday, so i must > construct everything quickly now. > i have a lot of documentation of different nature. > but it would be nice to have some written statements > from the remote participants. > so if you wish to write something about your > experience in relation to the aether9 project, it > would be very welcome for my academic project (i > imagine that it could be either theoretical or not > theoretical at all but about subjective feelings - how > it began, what happened during the performance, how it > is going on for instance...). > > again, as my work is due for friday the 25th, it would > be great if you could answer this mail as soon as you > can. > > > to the geneva group : could you upload exerpts of the > videos acts you performed on thursday 3rd if possible? > > hope to hear from you all > > Laure > > > --- 1.1 [*] 1904.cc schrieb: > >> hi fellow aetherniks, >> >> we just sent the submission for the ACM Interactive >> Arts Event in Augsburg. >> let's cross fingers... >> >> you can have a look at the posted documents here: >> > http://1904.cc/~aether/material/EXHIBITION_STATEMENT.doc >> > http://1904.cc/~aether/material/Project_Description.pdf >> >> chris, you mentionned two other potential events, >> P.Art.y2007 in >> Korea & Mobilefest in Brazil, send us the links >> please. >> >> and for your general information, our n3krozoft team >> is setting up an >> exhibition in a galery space in brussels in 4 weeks, >> 14-16th june, >> and some performance is planned. that would be an >> occasion to >> implement a new and improved version of aether9... >> >> if interested tell us your availability at that >> dates... and also we >> need to push forward the content a bit. >> >> more soon >> >> best, >> manuel >> >> _______________________________________________ >> aether mailing list >> aether at [nospam] 1904.cc >> http://lists.1904.cc/mailman/listinfo/aether -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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But I'll try tp write you something & email it to your yahoo by thursday Skype on Sat 1-3pm vancouver is the same as PST right? I'd love to join in > In collaboration with VIVO and VJ Theory, The Escape Artists presents > INTERCONTINENTAL SKYPE DISCUSSION ON VJ THEORY (vjtheory.net), PRACTICE AND > FUTURE DIRECTIONS LOCALLY AND GLOBALLY.* > 1-3 pm, Saturday, May 26th at the VIVO (Video In | Video Out), 1965 Main > Street, Vancouver, 604-872-8337 > I would like to reference the Aether project during this chat, and if any of > you can participate ? > ************************************* 14-16th june, BXL, I'm in too -christiaan From 1.1 [*] 1904.cc Wed May 23 13:29:06 2007 From: 1.1 [*] 1904.cc (1.1 [*] 1904.cc) Date: Wed, 23 May 2007 13:29:06 +0200 Subject: [aether] OGG -> QT In-Reply-To: <464DEA73.6040309 {a+} n3krozoft.com> References: <464DEA73.6040309 {a+} n3krozoft.com> Message-ID: hi, an update to the OGG-to-quicktime discussion since cym uploaded to OGG file to the server - http://artslashmedia.net/~aether/cym/aether9.ogg - i was able to test converting via VLC and indeed it produces an error. on the other hand i managed to open the file simply in QT (not by dragging on icon but via open command) and then to edit or export to any other format. this probably worked thanks to the following codec i have installed: Xiph QuickTime Component http://xiph.org/quicktime/download.html best, manuel From bk at [nospam] n3krozoft.com Wed May 23 14:18:54 2007 From: bk at [nospam] n3krozoft.com (bk) Date: Wed, 23 May 2007 14:18:54 +0200 Subject: [aether] OGG -> QT In-Reply-To: References: <464DEA73.6040309 {a+} n3krozoft.com> Message-ID: <4654312E.5090304 {a+} n3krozoft.com> OMG, indeed QT reads .ogg video files!?! and you can export them as you wish... i am afraid i thought that i didn't read them because QT makes an empty frame at the beggining of an .ogg file upon openning it and i assume that the rest of the frames where as blank whithout checking those following frames. foolish. well, that makes it simpler now. and i guess it closes the thread. more info about the Brussels performance soon. boris 1.1 [*] 1904.cc wrote: > hi, > > an update to the OGG-to-quicktime discussion > since cym uploaded to OGG file to the server - > http://artslashmedia.net/~aether/cym/aether9.ogg > - i was able to test converting via VLC and indeed it produces an error. > > on the other hand i managed to open the file simply in QT (not by > dragging on icon but via open command) and then to edit or export to > any other format. > > this probably worked thanks to the following codec i have installed: > Xiph QuickTime Component > http://xiph.org/quicktime/download.html > > best, > manuel > _______________________________________________ > aether mailing list > aether at [nospam] 1904.cc > http://lists.1904.cc/mailman/listinfo/aether > > From ideacritik at [nospam] yahoo.ca Wed May 23 15:38:07 2007 From: ideacritik at [nospam] yahoo.ca (::audrey::) Date: Wed, 23 May 2007 06:38:07 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [aether] Re : OGG -> QT Message-ID: <493791.29587.qm {a+} web50208.mail.re2.yahoo.com> >more info about the Brussels performance soon. brussels is close to me (rotterdam), maybe i can see about coming down. audrey Faites des appels de PC ? PC dans le monde entier ! Essayez le nouveau Yahoo! Qu?bec Messenger avec Voix. http://cf.messenger.yahoo.com/ -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.1904.cc/pipermail/aether/attachments/20070523/512826c5/attachment.html From theleague at [nospam] imaginaryscience.org Wed May 23 20:42:39 2007 From: theleague at [nospam] imaginaryscience.org (The League of Imaginary Scientists) Date: Wed, 23 May 2007 11:42:39 -0700 Subject: [aether] academia In-Reply-To: <20070522234052.35814.qmail {a+} web26711.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> Message-ID: Not sure if this email went through...here, again: Dear Laure/ fellow aethernauts, The League of Imaginary Scientists has been collectively busy! Lamentably, we missed the jam session - had a show that weekend, and one of our members is expecting a baby any day now! Admittedly, I am behind on getting our documentation to you all. I will try by Friday for Laure?s project. Onward! Two ideas for festivals/opportunities ? the first, I have been asked to participate in an on-line chat Saturday: In collaboration with VIVO and VJ Theory, The Escape Artists presents INTERCONTINENTAL SKYPE DISCUSSION ON VJ THEORY (vjtheory.net), PRACTICE AND FUTURE DIRECTIONS LOCALLY AND GLOBALLY.* 1-3 pm, Saturday, May 26th at the VIVO (Video In | Video Out), 1965 Main Street, Vancouver, 604-872-8337 I would like to reference the Aether project during this chat, and if any of you can participate ? we can carry on the discussion that Laure is prompting. Or, if people cannot represent their positions live, perhaps, Laure, you can send me the composite text from your lecture, and I can post excerpts from this. The second opportunity ? last year I collaborated with the Au-based Aether team led by Rhys on a cross-continental ?dinner party? for the (re)actor conference in London in early September. The new (re)actor conference call http://www.digitalliveart.com is out for this year, and I could take the lead and propose a remote Aether performance (none of us would have to be there, unless someone happens to be located in London!). This could be an on-line broadcast with local venues if any of us can arrange them. The theme for this year?s conference is Bad Girls, Gadgets, and Guerrilla Performance (keynote speaker - the Guerrilla Girls), and given our early email back and forth on gender identities and our narrative, perhaps this would be appropriate ? your collective/independent thoughts? With regard to my experience (per Laure's request), and questions about narrative development, here goes: I have been thinking about how we can push the narrative and aesthetic components of the project, perhaps by loosely choreographing components that appear in the grid. This could be text that reads across the grid, or a character that walks across the screen, only as one element in the larger, improvised experiment. What appealed to me about our collective experiment were the many layers involved - specifically, the entwined narratives of mythology, science, and technology (themes generated by the workshop group!) - and the physical embodiment of that complexity (tiers of the grid referencing physical/metaphysical tiers). I think we could push the narrative on another level, as coordinated actions that imply physical connectivity - making apparent that we are indeed connected, though obviously distant. That said, the imaginary scientists really liked the experimental nature of the collective (and almost) unsupervised narrative. Regarding the philosophical or academic side of our experiment, perhaps you (Laure) can use elements from an article I wrote for the book VJ Theory - online at http://www.vjtheory.net/art/ah-ha.htm ? in which I interview artists working with interactive media. Here also is my subjective definition of realtime interaction: Realtime Interaction is in some sense an oxymoron: realtime, as in now and live, implies technological mediation, while the word interaction requires contact and connection. These seemingly contradictory notions of technological distance and personal exchange become married in interactive media art. At the core of interactive art is this strange union of the disconnected and personal, the interconnected and distant. In the fall, as an artist at residence at CalArts, I collaborated with students in my interactive media workshop entitled, InterPlay. The objective of the workshop was to explore possibilities for meaningful interaction through telematic exchange, the results of which would be presented simultaneously at Australia?s Electrofringe festival (again with Rhys in Australia) and at CalArts as an interactive piece between remote viewers. Students unanimously wanted to offer something physical to the viewers on the other side of the world. Remote Tea, the resulting project, is a prototype for realtime exchange - a marriage of the disconnected and personal, the interconnected and distant. http://www.workofbox.com/avatar/ Laure, hope some of this may congeal! Lucy (Dr. Gomez) of the League The League of Imaginary Scientists On 5/22/07 4:40 PM, "laure deselys" wrote: > hello all, > > i've been following all the aether9 adventure since > the begining without being very participative. > Technically i took part on Thursday'd 3rd performance > in Brussels. Since then i'm part-time behind Boris > shoulder looking at how everything is evolving. > > i decided to give a lecture and produce a dvd about > the aether9 project (intentions, implementations and > development) for my digital arts class (i'm in the > sculpture department of La Cambre art school in > brussels). this work is due for this friday, so i must > construct everything quickly now. > i have a lot of documentation of different nature. > but it would be nice to have some written statements > from the remote participants. > so if you wish to write something about your > experience in relation to the aether9 project, it > would be very welcome for my academic project (i > imagine that it could be either theoretical or not > theoretical at all but about subjective feelings - how > it began, what happened during the performance, how it > is going on for instance...). > > again, as my work is due for friday the 25th, it would > be great if you could answer this mail as soon as you > can. > > > to the geneva group : could you upload exerpts of the > videos acts you performed on thursday 3rd if possible? > > hope to hear from you all > > Laure > > > --- 1.1 [*] 1904.cc schrieb: > >> hi fellow aetherniks, >> >> we just sent the submission for the ACM Interactive >> Arts Event in Augsburg. >> let's cross fingers... >> >> you can have a look at the posted documents here: >> > http://1904.cc/~aether/material/EXHIBITION_STATEMENT.doc >> > http://1904.cc/~aether/material/Project_Description.pdf >> >> chris, you mentionned two other potential events, >> P.Art.y2007 in >> Korea & Mobilefest in Brazil, send us the links >> please. >> >> and for your general information, our n3krozoft team >> is setting up an >> exhibition in a galery space in brussels in 4 weeks, >> 14-16th june, >> and some performance is planned. that would be an >> occasion to >> implement a new and improved version of aether9... >> >> if interested tell us your availability at that >> dates... and also we >> need to push forward the content a bit. >> >> more soon >> >> best, >> manuel >> >> _______________________________________________ >> aether mailing list >> aether at [nospam] 1904.cc >> http://lists.1904.cc/mailman/listinfo/aether -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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OGG -> QT (1.1 [*] 1904.cc) > 3. Re: OGG -> QT (bk) > 4. Re : OGG -> QT (::audrey::) > 5. Re: academia (The League of Imaginary > Scientists) > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Message: 1 > Date: Wed, 23 May 2007 04:11:11 -0700 > From: christiaan cruz > Subject: [aether] more submissions due next week, > Laure, VIVO, June > To: > Message-ID: > > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" > > > Both Deadlines: THUR 31 May 2007 > > P.Art.y 2007 Festival People, Art & Technology > Organized by art center Nabi, > September 14-16, 2007 Seoul > http://www.omniglot.com/writing/korean.htm > http://www.nabi.or.kr/party2007_submission > > II MOBILEFEST (nov) 2007, in S?o Paulo, Brazil. > http://www.mobilefest.com.br/blog/?p=126 > 2007 at mobilefest.com.br > > Laure > The software I used didn't archive, I don't have > anything to offer. > But I'll try tp write you something & email it to > your yahoo by thursday For this festival we can subscribe by the aether group maybe is more pertinent then ? so someone can subscribe us and after we can see what number of persons can be participate.. ? because I see the aether group like an entity on and from wich we can extract and nourish our participations.. > > Skype on Sat > 1-3pm vancouver is the same as PST right? > I'd love to join in > > > In collaboration with VIVO and VJ Theory, The > Escape Artists presents > > INTERCONTINENTAL SKYPE DISCUSSION ON VJ THEORY > (vjtheory.net), PRACTICE AND > > FUTURE DIRECTIONS LOCALLY AND GLOBALLY.* > > 1-3 pm, Saturday, May 26th at the VIVO (Video In | > Video Out), 1965 Main > > Street, Vancouver, 604-872-8337 > > I would like to reference the Aether project > during this chat, and if any of > > you can participate ? > > ************************************* > > > 14-16th june, BXL, I'm in too > > > > -christiaan > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 2 > Date: Wed, 23 May 2007 13:29:06 +0200 > From: 1.1 [*] 1904.cc > Subject: [aether] OGG -> QT > To: //// collaborative networked performance //// > > Message-ID: > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; > format="flowed" > > hi, > > an update to the OGG-to-quicktime discussion > since cym uploaded to OGG file to the server - > http://artslashmedia.net/~aether/cym/aether9.ogg > - i was able to test converting via VLC and indeed > it produces an error. > > on the other hand i managed to open the file simply > in QT (not by > dragging on icon but via open command) and then to > edit or export to > any other format. > > this probably worked thanks to the following codec i > have installed: > Xiph QuickTime Component > http://xiph.org/quicktime/download.html > > best, > manuel > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 3 > Date: Wed, 23 May 2007 14:18:54 +0200 > From: bk > Subject: Re: [aether] OGG -> QT > To: //// collaborative networked performance //// > > Message-ID: <4654312E.5090304 at [nospam] n3krozoft.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; > format=flowed > > OMG, > indeed QT reads .ogg video files!?! and you can > export them as you > wish... i am afraid i thought that i didn't read > them because QT makes > an empty frame at the beggining of an .ogg file upon > openning it and i > assume that the rest of the frames where as blank > whithout checking > those following frames. foolish. > well, that makes it simpler now. and i guess it > closes the thread. > > more info about the Brussels performance soon. > boris > > 1.1 [*] 1904.cc wrote: > > hi, > > > > an update to the OGG-to-quicktime discussion > > since cym uploaded to OGG file to the server - > > http://artslashmedia.net/~aether/cym/aether9.ogg > > - i was able to test converting via VLC and indeed > it produces an error. > > > > on the other hand i managed to open the file > simply in QT (not by > > dragging on icon but via open command) and then to > edit or export to > > any other format. > > > > this probably worked thanks to the following codec > i have installed: > > Xiph QuickTime Component > > http://xiph.org/quicktime/download.html > > > > best, > > manuel > > _______________________________________________ > > aether mailing list > > aether at [nospam] 1904.cc > > http://lists.1904.cc/mailman/listinfo/aether > > > > > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 4 > Date: Wed, 23 May 2007 06:38:07 -0700 (PDT) > From: "::audrey::" > Subject: [aether] Re : OGG -> QT > To: //// collaborative networked performance //// > > Message-ID: > <493791.29587.qm at web50208.mail.re2.yahoo.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" > > > > >more info about the Brussels performance soon. > > brussels is close to me (rotterdam), maybe i can see > about coming down. > > audrey > > > > > > > > Faites des appels de PC ? PC dans le monde > entier ! Essayez le nouveau Yahoo! Qu?bec Messenger > avec Voix. > http://cf.messenger.yahoo.com/ > -------------- next part -------------- > An HTML attachment was scrubbed... > URL: > http://lists.1904.cc/pipermail/aether/attachments/20070523/512826c5/attachment-0001.html > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 5 > Date: Wed, 23 May 2007 11:42:39 -0700 > From: The League of Imaginary Scientists > > Subject: Re: [aether] academia > To: > Message-ID: > > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" > > Not sure if this email went through...here, again: > > Dear Laure/ fellow aethernauts, > > The League of Imaginary Scientists has been > collectively busy! Lamentably, > we missed the jam session - had a show that weekend, > and one of our members > is expecting a baby any day now! Admittedly, I am > behind on getting our > documentation to you all. I will try by Friday for > Laure?s project. > Onward! Two ideas for festivals/opportunities ? the > first, I have been > asked to participate in an on-line chat Saturday: > > In collaboration with VIVO and VJ Theory, The Escape > Artists presents > INTERCONTINENTAL SKYPE DISCUSSION ON VJ THEORY > (vjtheory.net), PRACTICE AND > FUTURE DIRECTIONS LOCALLY AND GLOBALLY.* > 1-3 pm, Saturday, May 26th at the VIVO (Video In | > Video Out), 1965 Main > Street, Vancouver, 604-872-8337 > I would like to reference the Aether project during > this chat, and if any of > you can participate ? we can carry on the discussion > that Laure is > prompting. Or, if people cannot represent their > positions live, perhaps, > Laure, you can send me the composite text from your > lecture, and I can post > excerpts from this. > > The second opportunity ? last year I collaborated > with the Au-based Aether > team led by Rhys on a cross-continental ?dinner > party? for the (re)actor > conference in London in early September. The new > (re)actor conference call > http://www.digitalliveart.com is out for this year, > and I could take the > lead and propose a remote Aether performance (none > of us would have to be > there, unless someone happens to be located in > London!). This could be an > on-line broadcast with local venues if any of us can > arrange them. The > theme for this year?s conference is Bad Girls, > Gadgets, and Guerrilla > Performance (keynote speaker - the Guerrilla Girls), > and given our early > email back and forth on gender identities and our > narrative, perhaps this > would be appropriate ? your collective/independent > thoughts? > > With regard to my experience (per Laure's request), > and questions about > narrative development, here goes: > I have been thinking about how we can push the > narrative and aesthetic > components of the project, perhaps by loosely > choreographing components that > appear in the grid. This could be text that reads > across the grid, or a > character that walks across the screen, only as one > element in the larger, > improvised experiment. What appealed to me about > our collective experiment > were the many layers involved - specifically, the > entwined narratives of > mythology, science, and technology (themes generated > by the workshop group!) > - and the physical embodiment of that complexity > (tiers of the grid > referencing physical/metaphysical tiers). I think > we could push the > narrative on another level, as coordinated actions > that imply physical > connectivity - making apparent that we are indeed > connected, though > obviously distant. That said, the imaginary > scientists really liked the > experimental nature of the collective (and almost) > unsupervised narrative. > > Regarding the philosophical or academic side of our > experiment, perhaps you > (Laure) can use elements from an article I wrote for > the book VJ Theory - > online at http://www.vjtheory.net/art/ah-ha.htm ? in > which I interview > artists working with interactive media. Here also > is my subjective > definition of realtime interaction: Realtime > Interaction is in some sense > an oxymoron: realtime, as in now and live, implies > technological mediation, > while the word interaction requires contact and > connection. These seemingly > contradictory notions of technological distance and > personal exchange become > married in interactive media art. At the core of > interactive art is this > strange union of the disconnected and personal, the > interconnected and > distant. > > In the fall, as an artist at residence at CalArts, I > collaborated with > students in my interactive media workshop entitled, > InterPlay. The > objective of the workshop was to explore > possibilities for meaningful > interaction through telematic exchange, the results > of which would be > presented simultaneously at Australia?s > Electrofringe festival (again with > Rhys in Australia) and at CalArts as an interactive > piece between remote > viewers. Students unanimously wanted to offer > something physical to the > viewers on the other side of the world. Remote Tea, > the resulting project, > is a prototype for realtime exchange - a marriage of > the disconnected and > personal, the interconnected and distant. > http://www.workofbox.com/avatar/ > > Laure, hope some of this may congeal! > Lucy (Dr. Gomez) of the League > > The League of Imaginary Scientists > > > On 5/22/07 4:40 PM, "laure deselys" > wrote: > > > hello all, > > > > i've been following all the aether9 adventure > since > > the begining without being very participative. > > Technically i took part on Thursday'd 3rd > performance > > in Brussels. Since then i'm part-time behind Boris > > shoulder looking at how everything is evolving. > > > > i decided to give a lecture and produce a dvd > about > > the aether9 project (intentions, implementations > and > > development) for my digital arts class (i'm in the > > sculpture department of La Cambre art school in > > brussels). this work is due for this friday, so i > must > > construct everything quickly now. > > i have a lot of documentation of different nature. > > but it would be nice to have some written > statements > > from the remote participants. > > so if you wish to write something about your > > experience in relation to the aether9 project, it > > would be very welcome for my academic project (i > > imagine that it could be either theoretical or not > > theoretical at all but about subjective feelings - > how > > it began, what happened during the performance, > how it > > is going on for instance...). > > > > again, as my work is due for friday the 25th, it > would > > be great if you could answer this mail as soon as > you > > can. > > > > > > to the geneva group : could you upload exerpts of > the > > videos acts you performed on thursday 3rd if > possible? > > > > hope to hear from you all > > > > Laure > > > > > > --- 1.1 [*] 1904.cc schrieb: > > > >> hi fellow aetherniks, > >> > >> we just sent the submission for the ACM > Interactive > >> Arts Event in Augsburg. > >> let's cross fingers... > >> > >> you can have a look at the posted documents here: > >> > > > http://1904.cc/~aether/material/EXHIBITION_STATEMENT.doc > >> > > > http://1904.cc/~aether/material/Project_Description.pdf > >> > >> chris, you mentionned two other potential events, > >> P.Art.y2007 in > >> Korea & Mobilefest in Brazil, send us the links > >> please. > >> > >> and for your general information, our n3krozoft > team > >> is setting up an > >> exhibition in a galery space in brussels in 4 > weeks, > >> 14-16th june, > >> and some performance is planned. that would be an > >> occasion to > >> implement a new and improved version of > aether9... > >> > >> if interested tell us your availability at that > >> dates... and also we > >> need to push forward the content a bit. I'm interested by this exhibition in a galery space in brussels (tell me what i must send) and performance in june can be possible too Nathalie- > >> > >> more soon > >> > >> best, > >> manuel > >> > >> _______________________________________________ > >> aether mailing list > >> aether at [nospam] 1904.cc > >> http://lists.1904.cc/mailman/listinfo/aether > > -------------- next part -------------- > An HTML attachment was scrubbed... > URL: > http://lists.1904.cc/pipermail/aether/attachments/20070523/6f7f1315/attachment-0001.html > > -------------- next part -------------- > A non-text attachment was scrubbed... > Name: not available > Type: image/gif > Size: 3346 bytes > Desc: not available > Url : > http://lists.1904.cc/pipermail/aether/attachments/20070523/6f7f1315/attachment-0001.gif > > > ------------------------------ > > _______________________________________________ > aether mailing list > aether at [nospam] 1904.cc > http://lists.1904.cc/mailman/listinfo/aether > > > End of aether Digest, Vol 1, Issue 16 > ************************************* > _____________________________________________________________________________ Ne gardez plus qu'une seule adresse mail ! 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Mail From lauredinateur at [nospam] yahoo.de Thu May 24 19:45:23 2007 From: lauredinateur at [nospam] yahoo.de (laure deselys) Date: Thu, 24 May 2007 19:45:23 +0200 (CEST) Subject: [aether] RE : aether Digest, Vol 1, Issue 16 In-Reply-To: <460865.47348.qm {a+} web26601.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <659156.86605.qm {a+} web26708.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> hello thanks for the answers. tonight will be a hard work night. i'll write something about how it all went, by this week-end ironically the internet connection is dying at home. must move to somewhere else. all the best laure. --- fougeras nathalie schrieb: > > --- aether-request at [nospam] 1904.cc a ?crit : > > > Send aether mailing list submissions to > > aether at [nospam] 1904.cc > > > > To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide > Web, > > visit > > http://lists.1904.cc/mailman/listinfo/aether > > or, via email, send a message with subject or body > > 'help' to > > aether-request at [nospam] 1904.cc > > > > You can reach the person managing the list at > > aether-owner at [nospam] 1904.cc > > > > When replying, please edit your Subject line so it > > is more specific > > than "Re: Contents of aether digest..." > > > > > > Today's Topics: > > > > 1. more submissions due next week, Laure, VIVO, > > June > > (christiaan cruz) > > 2. OGG -> QT (1.1 [*] 1904.cc) > > 3. Re: OGG -> QT (bk) > > 4. Re : OGG -> QT (::audrey::) > > 5. Re: academia (The League of Imaginary > > Scientists) > > > > > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > > > Message: 1 > > Date: Wed, 23 May 2007 04:11:11 -0700 > > From: christiaan cruz > > Subject: [aether] more submissions due next week, > > Laure, VIVO, June > > To: > > Message-ID: > > > > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" > > > > > > Both Deadlines: THUR 31 May 2007 > > > > P.Art.y 2007 Festival People, Art & Technology > > Organized by art center Nabi, > > September 14-16, 2007 Seoul > > http://www.omniglot.com/writing/korean.htm > > http://www.nabi.or.kr/party2007_submission > > > > II MOBILEFEST (nov) 2007, in S?o Paulo, Brazil. > > http://www.mobilefest.com.br/blog/?p=126 > > 2007 at mobilefest.com.br > > > > Laure > > The software I used didn't archive, I don't have > > anything to offer. > > But I'll try tp write you something & email it to > > your yahoo by thursday > > For this festival we can subscribe by the aether > group > maybe is more pertinent then ? so someone can > subscribe us and after we can see what number of > persons can be participate.. ? > because I see the aether group like an entity on and > from wich we can extract and nourish our > participations.. > > > > > > Skype on Sat > > 1-3pm vancouver is the same as PST right? > > I'd love to join in > > > > > In collaboration with VIVO and VJ Theory, The > > Escape Artists presents > > > INTERCONTINENTAL SKYPE DISCUSSION ON VJ THEORY > > (vjtheory.net), PRACTICE AND > > > FUTURE DIRECTIONS LOCALLY AND GLOBALLY.* > > > 1-3 pm, Saturday, May 26th at the VIVO (Video In > | > > Video Out), 1965 Main > > > Street, Vancouver, 604-872-8337 > > > I would like to reference the Aether project > > during this chat, and if any of > > > you can participate ? > > > ************************************* > > > > > > 14-16th june, BXL, I'm in too > > > > > > > > -christiaan > > > > ------------------------------ > > > > Message: 2 > > Date: Wed, 23 May 2007 13:29:06 +0200 > > From: 1.1 [*] 1904.cc > > Subject: [aether] OGG -> QT > > To: //// collaborative networked performance //// > > > > Message-ID: > > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; > > format="flowed" > > > > hi, > > > > an update to the OGG-to-quicktime discussion > > since cym uploaded to OGG file to the server - > > http://artslashmedia.net/~aether/cym/aether9.ogg > > - i was able to test converting via VLC and indeed > > it produces an error. > > > > on the other hand i managed to open the file > simply > > in QT (not by > > dragging on icon but via open command) and then to > > edit or export to > > any other format. > > > > this probably worked thanks to the following codec > i > > have installed: > > Xiph QuickTime Component > > http://xiph.org/quicktime/download.html > > > > best, > > manuel > > > > > > ------------------------------ > > > > Message: 3 > > Date: Wed, 23 May 2007 14:18:54 +0200 > > From: bk > > Subject: Re: [aether] OGG -> QT > > To: //// collaborative networked performance //// > > > > Message-ID: <4654312E.5090304 at [nospam] n3krozoft.com> > > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; > > format=flowed > > > > OMG, > > indeed QT reads .ogg video files!?! and you can > > export them as you > > wish... i am afraid i thought that i didn't read > > them because QT makes > > an empty frame at the beggining of an .ogg file > upon > > openning it and i > > assume that the rest of the frames where as blank > > whithout checking > > those following frames. foolish. > > well, that makes it simpler now. and i guess it > > closes the thread. > > > > more info about the Brussels performance soon. > > boris > > > > 1.1 [*] 1904.cc wrote: > > > hi, > > > > > > an update to the OGG-to-quicktime discussion > > > since cym uploaded to OGG file to the server - > > > http://artslashmedia.net/~aether/cym/aether9.ogg > > > - i was able to test converting via VLC and > indeed > > it produces an error. > > > > > > on the other hand i managed to open the file > > simply in QT (not by > > > dragging on icon but via open command) and then > to > > edit or export to > > > any other format. > > > > > > this probably worked thanks to the following > codec > > i have installed: > > > Xiph QuickTime Component > > > http://xiph.org/quicktime/download.html > > > > > > best, > > > manuel > > > _______________________________________________ > > > aether mailing list > > > aether at [nospam] 1904.cc > > > http://lists.1904.cc/mailman/listinfo/aether > > > > > > > > > > > === message truncated === __________________________________ Yahoo! Clever - Der einfachste Weg, Fragen zu stellen und Wissenswertes mit Anderen zu teilen. www.yahoo.de/clever From cym at cym.net Thu May 24 23:49:29 2007 From: cym at cym.net (cym) Date: Thu, 24 May 2007 17:49:29 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [aether] OGG -> QT In-Reply-To: References: <464DEA73.6040309 {a+} n3krozoft.com> Message-ID: hello, you are really fast. i did not even sent a message that the file is there and you already found it :-) anyway, for your viewing pleasure i uploaded to more files with photos: 1. --- these are all the images saved by my webcam during the performance. it is basically my entire stream from that evening. it did not upload every image, or at least it look like it did not upload every image, but it saved all the pics locally on my harddrive. in total 1550 images. it looks best when you play them fast as a slideshow http://artslashmedia.net/~aether/cym/cym_aether9_070503_webcam.zip you will see at the stream that we had a few false starts, so the story starts again from the beginning about 3 times... 2. --- and here are some photos that i made with the digital camera during the performance, of the settings in my room. it will give you an impression of the local setup here at Wd8 http://artslashmedia.net/~aether/cym/cym_aether9_070503_photos.zip maybe you can use it for you archives. enjoy, cym On Wed, 23 May 2007 1.1 [*] 1904.cc wrote: > hi, > > an update to the OGG-to-quicktime discussion > since cym uploaded to OGG file to the server - > http://artslashmedia.net/~aether/cym/aether9.ogg > - i was able to test converting via VLC and indeed it produces an error. > > on the other hand i managed to open the file simply in QT (not by > dragging on icon but via open command) and then to edit or export to > any other format. > > this probably worked thanks to the following codec i have installed: > Xiph QuickTime Component > http://xiph.org/quicktime/download.html > > best, > manuel > _______________________________________________ > aether mailing list > aether at [nospam] 1904.cc > http://lists.1904.cc/mailman/listinfo/aether > From 1.1 [*] 1904.cc Fri May 25 15:11:03 2007 From: 1.1 [*] 1904.cc (1.1 [*] 1904.cc) Date: Fri, 25 May 2007 15:11:03 +0200 Subject: [aether] aether materials / brazil / skype discussion Message-ID: dear aethernauts, just to let you know, i gathered all current info and material about aether9 on one convenient page, here: http://1904.cc/aether/ (linking films, project statement etc). i updated the project statement with a few more references. the page also includes a list of the current performers, so please double-check if your self is represented in an acceptable way. AND we have the pleasure to welcome on this list Milena Sz from Brazil, representing mm n?o ? confete multimedia art group. project webpage: http://www.manifesto21.com.br the aethernet is expanding... PS: regarding the INTERCONTINENTAL SKYPE DISCUSSION ON VJ THEORY tomorrow, can Dr. Gomez of the League transmit us the skype ID we have to contact in order to take part in the discussion?? Quick time zone calculation: Vancouver, 1-3 pm = Central European Time 10-12 pm best manuel From daphne at garagecube.com Fri May 25 15:23:42 2007 From: daphne at garagecube.com (Daphne Dornbierer) Date: Fri, 25 May 2007 15:23:42 +0200 Subject: [aether] aether materials / brazil / skype discussion In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <8A7C212D-F146-4D16-AD87-9C5F7A18A37A {a+} garagecube.com> WoW!! I realy have to say thank you all and I'm really impressed about the work and web-pages and the Participation craft of this Project. Go on so...blablabla )) I'm a little bit busy with my Baby and I'm finishing my school but (there is always a but) I'm looking further to the next Performance. So see you tomorrow in skypeland. Metamolusque= Daphne Dornbierer > dear aethernauts, > > just to let you know, i gathered all current info > and material about aether9 on one convenient > page, here: http://1904.cc/aether/ (linking > films, project statement etc). i updated the > project statement with a few more references. > > the page also includes a list of the current > performers, so please double-check if your self > is represented in an acceptable way. > > AND we have the pleasure to welcome on this list > Milena Sz from Brazil, representing mm n?o ? > confete multimedia art group. > project webpage: http://www.manifesto21.com.br > > the aethernet is expanding... > > PS: regarding the INTERCONTINENTAL SKYPE > DISCUSSION ON VJ THEORY tomorrow, can Dr. Gomez > of the League transmit us the skype ID we have to > contact in order to take part in the discussion?? > > Quick time zone calculation: Vancouver, 1-3 pm = Central European > Time 10-12 pm > > best > manuel > _______________________________________________ > aether mailing list > aether at [nospam] 1904.cc > http://lists.1904.cc/mailman/listinfo/aether > From theleague at [nospam] imaginaryscience.org Sat May 26 07:26:34 2007 From: theleague at [nospam] imaginaryscience.org (The League of Imaginary Scientists) Date: Fri, 25 May 2007 22:26:34 -0700 Subject: [aether] Skype on Sat VIVO RE: aether Digest, Vol 1, Issue 17 In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Hi Aether folks, Yes, Vancouver and PST time are the same - I will be online on skype with skype name remotecontrolmonkey tomorrow starting at 12:30, also by email at this address if any difficulties. There will be a skype conference, so if you want to join send along your skype name. The conference will be projected live at the Vancouver gallery but apparently won't be broadcast live - it will be moderated by the gallery director, Camille (in Canada), with input from the VJ Theory book editors, Ana and Brendan from the UK. If it turns out interesting, VJ Theory could host another chat specifically for Aether participants... Talk tomorrow... LUCY (Gomez/League) On 5/25/07 7:11 PM, "christiaan cruz" wrote: > > Skype on Sat > 1-3pm vancouver is the same as PST right? > I'd love to join in > > > -christiaan > >> Not sure if this email went through...here, again: >> >>> In collaboration with VIVO and VJ Theory, The >> Escape Artists presents >>> INTERCONTINENTAL SKYPE DISCUSSION ON VJ THEORY >> (vjtheory.net), PRACTICE AND >>> FUTURE DIRECTIONS LOCALLY AND GLOBALLY.* >>> 1-3 pm, Saturday, May 26th at the VIVO (Video In | >> Video Out), 1965 Main >>> Street, Vancouver, 604-872-8337 >> Lucy (Dr. Gomez) of the League >> >> The League of Imaginary Scientists The League of Imaginary Scientists From fougeras_nathalie at [nospam] yahoo.fr Sat May 26 13:00:05 2007 From: fougeras_nathalie at [nospam] yahoo.fr (fougeras nathalie) Date: Sat, 26 May 2007 13:00:05 +0200 (CEST) Subject: [aether] RE : aether Digest, Vol 1, Issue 18 In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <20674.12671.qm {a+} web26606.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> hi manuel and all, thanks for this work about http://1904.cc/aether/ I tested my link : is an acceptable way :) Unfortunately I can't participate skype chat tomorrow. So if someone'll be able register the chat discussion.. Just a little problem about the download file with format .ogg what is it this application .ogg? what software can I use to open it? cheers Nathalie --- aether-request at [nospam] 1904.cc a ?crit : > dear aethernauts, > > just to let you know, i gathered all current info > and material about aether9 on one convenient > page, here: http://1904.cc/aether/ (linking > films, project statement etc). i updated the > project statement with a few more references. > > the page also includes a list of the current > performers, so please double-check if your self > is represented in an acceptable way. > > AND we have the pleasure to welcome on this list > Milena Sz from Brazil, representing mm n?o ? > confete multimedia art group. > project webpage: http://www.manifesto21.com.br > > the aethernet is expanding... > > PS: regarding the INTERCONTINENTAL SKYPE > DISCUSSION ON VJ THEORY tomorrow, can Dr. Gomez > of the League transmit us the skype ID we have to > contact in order to take part in the discussion?? > > Quick time zone calculation: Vancouver, 1-3 pm = > Central European Time 10-12 pm > > best > manuel ___________________________________________________________________________ D?couvrez une nouvelle fa?on d'obtenir des r?ponses ? toutes vos questions ! Profitez des connaissances, des opinions et des exp?riences des internautes sur Yahoo! Questions/R?ponses http://fr.answers.yahoo.com From bk at [nospam] n3krozoft.com Sat May 26 13:13:46 2007 From: bk at [nospam] n3krozoft.com (bk) Date: Sat, 26 May 2007 13:13:46 +0200 Subject: [aether] melt bananas In-Reply-To: <20674.12671.qm {a+} web26606.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> References: <20674.12671.qm {a+} web26606.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <4658166A.2020904 {a+} n3krozoft.com> ogg is a a free (stream oriented) multimedia container format, i guess it refers to the word "egg" that contains embryos. Other examples of container formats are Quicktime .mov, the MPEG program stream, and AVI. See the official webpage at http://www.xiph.org/ogg/ and http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ogg boris fougeras nathalie wrote: > Just a little problem about the download file with > format .ogg > what is it this application .ogg? what software can I > use to open it? > From bk at [nospam] n3krozoft.com Sat May 26 13:43:06 2007 From: bk at [nospam] n3krozoft.com (bk) Date: Sat, 26 May 2007 13:43:06 +0200 Subject: [aether] cym's video In-Reply-To: References: <464DEA73.6040309 {a+} n3krozoft.com> Message-ID: <46581D4A.9080701 {a+} n3krozoft.com> Hi, i created a 2 fps video rendering of cym's aether9 webcam performance. i'm uploading it now to http://artslashmedia.net/~aether/cym in a QT.mov contained format (h.264) and not .ogg contained... Could be added to the web video gallery. And Cym, your photos of the performance are great!!! Boris cym wrote: > hello, > > you are really fast. i did not even sent a message that the file is there > and you already found it :-) > anyway, for your viewing pleasure i uploaded to more files with photos: > > 1. --- > > these are all the images saved by my webcam during the performance. it is > basically my entire stream from that evening. it did not upload every > image, or at least it look like it did not upload every image, but it > saved all the pics locally on my harddrive. in total 1550 images. > it looks best when you play them fast as a slideshow > > http://artslashmedia.net/~aether/cym/cym_aether9_070503_webcam.zip > > you will see at the stream that we had a few false starts, so the story > starts again from the beginning about 3 times... > > 2. --- > > and here are some photos that i made with the digital camera during the > performance, of the settings in my room. it will give you an impression > of the local setup here at Wd8 > > http://artslashmedia.net/~aether/cym/cym_aether9_070503_photos.zip > > maybe you can use it for you archives. > > enjoy, > > cym > From cym at cym.net Sat May 26 15:58:03 2007 From: cym at cym.net (cym) Date: Sat, 26 May 2007 09:58:03 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [aether] cym's video In-Reply-To: <46581D4A.9080701 {a+} n3krozoft.com> References: <464DEA73.6040309 {a+} n3krozoft.com> <46581D4A.9080701 {a+} n3krozoft.com> Message-ID: hey thanks! you all are really amazing and working so fast! greetings from slovenia, cym On Sat, 26 May 2007, bk wrote: > Hi, > > i created a 2 fps video rendering of cym's aether9 webcam performance. > i'm uploading it now to > > http://artslashmedia.net/~aether/cym > > in a QT.mov contained format (h.264) and not .ogg contained... > Could be added to the web video gallery. > > And Cym, your photos of the performance are great!!! > > Boris > > > cym wrote: > > hello, > > > > you are really fast. i did not even sent a message that the file is there > > and you already found it :-) > > anyway, for your viewing pleasure i uploaded to more files with photos: > > > > 1. --- > > > > these are all the images saved by my webcam during the performance. it is > > basically my entire stream from that evening. it did not upload every > > image, or at least it look like it did not upload every image, but it > > saved all the pics locally on my harddrive. in total 1550 images. > > it looks best when you play them fast as a slideshow > > > > http://artslashmedia.net/~aether/cym/cym_aether9_070503_webcam.zip > > > > you will see at the stream that we had a few false starts, so the story > > starts again from the beginning about 3 times... > > > > 2. --- > > > > and here are some photos that i made with the digital camera during the > > performance, of the settings in my room. it will give you an impression > > of the local setup here at Wd8 > > > > http://artslashmedia.net/~aether/cym/cym_aether9_070503_photos.zip > > > > maybe you can use it for you archives. > > > > enjoy, > > > > cym > > > > _______________________________________________ > aether mailing list > aether at [nospam] 1904.cc > http://lists.1904.cc/mailman/listinfo/aether > From theleague at [nospam] imaginaryscience.org Sat May 26 21:59:31 2007 From: theleague at [nospam] imaginaryscience.org (The League of Imaginary Scientists) Date: Sat, 26 May 2007 12:59:31 -0700 Subject: [aether] aether materials / brazil / skype discussion In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Hi Manuel, Not sure if you're online, but we're in a skype discussion, my skype id is remotecontrolmonkey BEST Lucy On 5/25/07 6:11 AM, "1.1 [*] 1904.cc" <1.1 [*] 1904.cc> wrote: > dear aethernauts, > > just to let you know, i gathered all current info > and material about aether9 on one convenient > page, here: http://1904.cc/aether/ (linking > films, project statement etc). i updated the > project statement with a few more references. > > the page also includes a list of the current > performers, so please double-check if your self > is represented in an acceptable way. > > AND we have the pleasure to welcome on this list > Milena Sz from Brazil, representing mm n?o ? > confete multimedia art group. > project webpage: http://www.manifesto21.com.br > > the aethernet is expanding... > > PS: regarding the INTERCONTINENTAL SKYPE > DISCUSSION ON VJ THEORY tomorrow, can Dr. Gomez > of the League transmit us the skype ID we have to > contact in order to take part in the discussion?? > > Quick time zone calculation: Vancouver, 1-3 pm = Central European Time 10-12 > pm > > best > manuel > _______________________________________________ > aether mailing list > aether at [nospam] 1904.cc > http://lists.1904.cc/mailman/listinfo/aether The League of Imaginary Scientists From theleague at [nospam] imaginaryscience.org Sun May 27 00:15:35 2007 From: theleague at [nospam] imaginaryscience.org (The League of Imaginary Scientists) Date: Sat, 26 May 2007 15:15:35 -0700 Subject: [aether] Intercontinental Skype Discussion with VJ Theory: Future Directions In-Reply-To: <005501c79fe2$71181f20$bdba50c9 {a+} casa> Message-ID: Hi everyone, attached find the transcript from today?s chat... Was engaging! - Lucy The League of Imaginary Scientists >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> >> From: VJ Theory >> >> To: Camille Baker ; Lucy H. G. >> ; Patricia Moran >> >> >> Sent: Saturday, May 26, 2007 11:50 AM >> >> Subject: Intercontinental Skype Discussion with VJ Theory: Future Directions >> >> >> >> Hello Camille, Lucy and Patricia, >> >> >> We thought that it would be helpful to give you a more extended text of what >> we will be talking about later. Especially to those who will follow the >> discussion by text. >> We may add a few more questions and should you have any sugestions, please >> feel free to send them to us. >> >> Looking forward to seeing you later. >> >> Ana and brendan >> >> >> >> + What is VJTheory (brief presentation) >> >> vjtheory.net is an online community of VJs and artists who reflect on their >> work, linking practices such as realtime installation, performance and >> political praxis and share their ideas with others in the community. This >> community actively discusses and reflects on philosophy and theory related >> with VJing and realtime interaction. >> >> The project has been running for over two years and has built up an >> extensive collection of work which can help other practitioners to >> critically examine their practice. Through publishing articles, interviews >> and reviews, the project is able to distribute the work of the community and >> organise online debates in areas which are highlighted by our contributors. >> >> We would like to motivate people to reflect theoretically on their practice. >> There is a lot of work being done and VJing is so diverse, but there is not >> a language that is unique to it or a vocabulary. There is an immense >> diversity of approaches to this practice and we hope something relevant in >> the equally diverse theoretical and philosophical approaches is being >> developed. >> >> >> + Small history (what have we been doing so far) >> >> The original idea for the project came from the Narrative Lab workshops at >> AVIT (Brighton in 2002 and Birmingham in 2004) where Brendan presented some >> ideas and organized workshops where participants could present ongoing work. >> A lot of good ideas were debated. There was also an obvious need for written >> texts which would inform VJ practice and related issues, from a philosophical >> and theoretical perspective. Some of the people involved were students trying >> to feed their practice as VJs into their studies, some others were >> practitioners interested in reflecting on their own and similar practices. >> They would struggle to find written documentation to support and refer to. >> This also became apparent in the college where Ana and Brendan teach and in >> their own work. >> >> From there we sent out a call for papers in June 2004 to compile a >> collection of texts into a book about VJing and realtime interaction. This >> turned into a website and the website grew to become as important as the >> book. Now we have a growing community, discussing theory, philosophy and >> ideas, active in the development of the website. >> >> >> + Community (developing and keep the community active and interested) >> >> >> - Website >> >> Is through the web site that we develop this community. It became a space >> for developing projects that gathers together individuals and groups related >> with VJ Theory. >> >> It is divided in two major sections: >> >> Book, which has information on the book to be published with the most >> relevant texts we have received on VJing and real time interaction. >> >> The other section is divided into four areas, this is the part of the >> growing database of work sent by and produced online by the community. >> >> Art: has reviews of work or projects. >> >> Interviews: with practitioners reflecting on their practice. These >> interviews allow contributors bring up questions, references, influences and >> ideas which come out of their work. >> >> Texts: the more theoretical texts, which reflect on the practice, linking >> this with relevant theories and philosophical perspectives. >> >> References: list of links to relevant information, for example research >> groups, courses, theories, theorists and other related texts. We also link to >> other comunities and websites where relevant information can be found. >> >> >> - Small projects: 'What is Vjing and realtime interaction?' and 'Let's >> Chat' >> >> So far we did two projects which aimed at engaging the community to exchange >> directly (without our filtering) ideas. >> >> 'What is Vjing and realtime interaction?' is an ongoing call for definitions >> of this diverse area. We are looking to have a broader description of VJing >> and realtime interaction to add to the existing one. Rather than reifying a >> single definition,we wanted the contributions to generate a fluid >> description. >> >> 'Let's Chat' was a series of six chat events, each moderated by a >> contributor and with a specific theme. These chats were a starting point >> that brought to the surface a lot of interesting questions for debate. >> Themes from the chats: authorship, technology, networks and collaboration, >> narrative, ideology, performer. >> >> >> + Links with other communities with overlapping interests (upcoming >> projects) >> >> After the 'Let's Chat' sessions, we got a lot of people sending us e-mails >> saying they would like these debates to carry on, and this is what we have >> been looking at as a future project. To find ways, new projects where people >> can develop the themes from the chats and possibly new ones for a longer >> length of time. >> >> We have also put a proposal to Rhizome Commissions (communities) to develop >> a project which allows people to create theoretical texts collaboratively. >> >> >> + Questions we would like to put to the audience: >> >> Ideas for projects and ways in which the community can be developed (input >> from the audience) >> >> >> >> - In which ways could VJ Theory be developed to create a space which people >> became actively involved? >> >> >> >> - In which ways could we put theorists and practitioners together to reflect >> on the practice? (theoretical VJing, reflective VJing) >> >> >> >> -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.1904.cc/pipermail/aether/attachments/20070526/e9dccb4e/attachment.html -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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I still need to work it out a bit more around the way to archive an experience; how to transmit it. so its still going on... the movie played of cyms picture is great keep you informed laure --- The League of Imaginary Scientists schrieb: > Hi Manuel, > > Not sure if you're online, but we're in a skype > discussion, my skype id is > remotecontrolmonkey > > BEST > Lucy > > On 5/25/07 6:11 AM, "1.1 [*] 1904.cc" <1.1 [*] 1904.cc> > wrote: > > > dear aethernauts, > > > > just to let you know, i gathered all current info > > and material about aether9 on one convenient > > page, here: http://1904.cc/aether/ (linking > > films, project statement etc). i updated the > > project statement with a few more references. > > > > the page also includes a list of the current > > performers, so please double-check if your self > > is represented in an acceptable way. > > > > AND we have the pleasure to welcome on this list > > Milena Sz from Brazil, representing mm n?o ? > > confete multimedia art group. > > project webpage: http://www.manifesto21.com.br > > > > the aethernet is expanding... > > > > PS: regarding the INTERCONTINENTAL SKYPE > > DISCUSSION ON VJ THEORY tomorrow, can Dr. Gomez > > of the League transmit us the skype ID we have to > > contact in order to take part in the discussion?? > > > > Quick time zone calculation: Vancouver, 1-3 pm = > Central European Time 10-12 > > pm > > > > best > > manuel > > _______________________________________________ > > aether mailing list > > aether at [nospam] 1904.cc > > http://lists.1904.cc/mailman/listinfo/aether > > The League of Imaginary Scientists > > > _______________________________________________ > aether mailing list > aether at [nospam] 1904.cc > http://lists.1904.cc/mailman/listinfo/aether > __________________________________ Yahoo! Clever: Stellen Sie Fragen und finden Sie Antworten. Teilen Sie Ihr Wissen. www.yahoo.de/clever From cym at cym.net Sun May 27 01:11:54 2007 From: cym at cym.net (cym) Date: Sat, 26 May 2007 19:11:54 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [aether] Intercontinental Skype Discussion with VJ Theory: Future Directions In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: oh you are fast. just wanted to post the chat here :-) i put (what i have) of today's chat at http://artslashmedia.net/~aether/cym/070526_skype-chat.html does anyone know if there is a way to export the chat from skype, so that it is saved in a more fancy way then just copy and paste the text from the chat-window? it would be nice if at least the links work as links, like they do automatically in the skype-chat. greetings, cym On Sat, 26 May 2007, The League of Imaginary Scientists wrote: > Hi everyone, attached find the transcript from today?s chat... Was > engaging! > > - Lucy > > The League of Imaginary Scientists > > >> > >> ----- Original Message ----- > >> > >> From: VJ Theory > >> > >> To: Camille Baker ; Lucy H. G. > >> ; Patricia Moran > >> > >> > >> Sent: Saturday, May 26, 2007 11:50 AM > >> > >> Subject: Intercontinental Skype Discussion with VJ Theory: Future Directions > >> > >> > >> > >> Hello Camille, Lucy and Patricia, > >> > >> > >> We thought that it would be helpful to give you a more extended text of what > >> we will be talking about later. Especially to those who will follow the > >> discussion by text. > >> We may add a few more questions and should you have any sugestions, please > >> feel free to send them to us. > >> > >> Looking forward to seeing you later. > >> > >> Ana and brendan > >> > >> > >> > >> + What is VJTheory (brief presentation) > >> > >> vjtheory.net is an online community of VJs and artists who reflect on their > >> work, linking practices such as realtime installation, performance and > >> political praxis and share their ideas with others in the community. This > >> community actively discusses and reflects on philosophy and theory related > >> with VJing and realtime interaction. > >> > >> The project has been running for over two years and has built up an > >> extensive collection of work which can help other practitioners to > >> critically examine their practice. Through publishing articles, interviews > >> and reviews, the project is able to distribute the work of the community and > >> organise online debates in areas which are highlighted by our contributors. > >> > >> We would like to motivate people to reflect theoretically on their practice. > >> There is a lot of work being done and VJing is so diverse, but there is not > >> a language that is unique to it or a vocabulary. There is an immense > >> diversity of approaches to this practice and we hope something relevant in > >> the equally diverse theoretical and philosophical approaches is being > >> developed. > >> > >> > >> + Small history (what have we been doing so far) > >> > >> The original idea for the project came from the Narrative Lab workshops at > >> AVIT (Brighton in 2002 and Birmingham in 2004) where Brendan presented some > >> ideas and organized workshops where participants could present ongoing work. > >> A lot of good ideas were debated. There was also an obvious need for written > >> texts which would inform VJ practice and related issues, from a philosophical > >> and theoretical perspective. Some of the people involved were students trying > >> to feed their practice as VJs into their studies, some others were > >> practitioners interested in reflecting on their own and similar practices. > >> They would struggle to find written documentation to support and refer to. > >> This also became apparent in the college where Ana and Brendan teach and in > >> their own work. > >> > >> From there we sent out a call for papers in June 2004 to compile a > >> collection of texts into a book about VJing and realtime interaction. This > >> turned into a website and the website grew to become as important as the > >> book. Now we have a growing community, discussing theory, philosophy and > >> ideas, active in the development of the website. > >> > >> > >> + Community (developing and keep the community active and interested) > >> > >> > >> - Website > >> > >> Is through the web site that we develop this community. It became a space > >> for developing projects that gathers together individuals and groups related > >> with VJ Theory. > >> > >> It is divided in two major sections: > >> > >> Book, which has information on the book to be published with the most > >> relevant texts we have received on VJing and real time interaction. > >> > >> The other section is divided into four areas, this is the part of the > >> growing database of work sent by and produced online by the community. > >> > >> Art: has reviews of work or projects. > >> > >> Interviews: with practitioners reflecting on their practice. These > >> interviews allow contributors bring up questions, references, influences and > >> ideas which come out of their work. > >> > >> Texts: the more theoretical texts, which reflect on the practice, linking > >> this with relevant theories and philosophical perspectives. > >> > >> References: list of links to relevant information, for example research > >> groups, courses, theories, theorists and other related texts. We also link to > >> other comunities and websites where relevant information can be found. > >> > >> > >> - Small projects: 'What is Vjing and realtime interaction?' and 'Let's > >> Chat' > >> > >> So far we did two projects which aimed at engaging the community to exchange > >> directly (without our filtering) ideas. > >> > >> 'What is Vjing and realtime interaction?' is an ongoing call for definitions > >> of this diverse area. We are looking to have a broader description of VJing > >> and realtime interaction to add to the existing one. Rather than reifying a > >> single definition,we wanted the contributions to generate a fluid > >> description. > >> > >> 'Let's Chat' was a series of six chat events, each moderated by a > >> contributor and with a specific theme. These chats were a starting point > >> that brought to the surface a lot of interesting questions for debate. > >> Themes from the chats: authorship, technology, networks and collaboration, > >> narrative, ideology, performer. > >> > >> > >> + Links with other communities with overlapping interests (upcoming > >> projects) > >> > >> After the 'Let's Chat' sessions, we got a lot of people sending us e-mails > >> saying they would like these debates to carry on, and this is what we have > >> been looking at as a future project. To find ways, new projects where people > >> can develop the themes from the chats and possibly new ones for a longer > >> length of time. > >> > >> We have also put a proposal to Rhizome Commissions (communities) to develop > >> a project which allows people to create theoretical texts collaboratively. > >> > >> > >> + Questions we would like to put to the audience: > >> > >> Ideas for projects and ways in which the community can be developed (input > >> from the audience) > >> > >> > >> > >> - In which ways could VJ Theory be developed to create a space which people > >> became actively involved? > >> > >> > >> > >> - In which ways could we put theorists and practitioners together to reflect > >> on the practice? (theoretical VJing, reflective VJing) > >> > >> > >> > >> > > > > > From fe2cruz at [nospam] hotmail.com Sun May 27 01:29:26 2007 From: fe2cruz at [nospam] hotmail.com (christiaan cruz) Date: Sat, 26 May 2007 16:29:26 -0700 Subject: [aether] complete VIVO VJTheory.net "Let's Chat" skype log Message-ID: If you need anything else contact me here: Voice: +1 213 806 6962 MobileSMS: +1 714 261 6300 Facsimile: +1 806 261 6303 jabber: christiaan.cruz at [nospam] gmail.com skype/yahoo/meebo/aim: fe2cruz msn: fe2cruz at [nospam] hotmail.com icq: 145027075 chikka: 007105593 Otherwise, here is the complete VIVO VJTheory.net "Let's Chat" skype log the 26th of May, 2007 (times in PST) [12:27:48 PM] Remote Control Monkey says: Hi Christian! [12:28:32 PM] fe2cruz says: hi. lucy? [12:28:51 PM] Remote Control Monkey says: Yep - it's Lucy - where are you? [12:29:03 PM] fe2cruz says: yorba linda, CA [12:29:29 PM] Remote Control Monkey says: aah, I'm in LA, we may be the closest in geography of all the aethernauts [12:30:23 PM] fe2cruz says: probably, we get the best time slots too i think [12:30:35 PM] fe2cruz says: not too early not too late [12:30:47 PM] Remote Control Monkey says: yes - middle of the day is good [12:31:55 PM] Remote Control Monkey says: Camille, who is moderating a video chat with Brazilian artists and is at the venue in Vancouver, is trying to figure out how we should do this - I suggested that I invite you and whoever else is online to text conference and them and they can project the screen - will try [12:32:23 PM] fe2cruz says: that sounds good [12:32:56 PM] fe2cruz says: but you and i won't see the video channel? [12:35:04 PM] Remote Control Monkey added aether9, Camille Baker, thom_edison, VJ Theory to this chat [12:36:46 PM] Remote Control Monkey says: don't think so, Christian [12:37:00 PM] VJ Theory says: Hi Lucy [12:37:19 PM] fe2cruz says: i have most of the other aether people in my list, would you like me to add them to this chat too? [12:37:48 PM] Remote Control Monkey says: Hi! Brendan/Ana! Christian (fe2cruz) - yes, could you add them? if anyone is awake... [12:38:22 PM] VJ Theory says: hello christian. [12:38:44 PM] Camille Baker says: ok but we can't really do vmultiple voice chat out of one computer here [12:38:56 PM] fe2cruz says: hello, vj [12:38:58 PM] Camille Baker says: but good work on the mulit-text [12:39:20 PM] Remote Control Monkey says: That makes sense - I think the text chat will be better, if there are multiple participants - could be a cluttered voice chat! [12:39:27 PM] Camille Baker says: oh by the way hi everyon - I'm still sorting out tech so bare with us [12:39:59 PM] fe2cruz says: yes text will be easier for adding people as they log into skype [12:40:18 PM] Remote Control Monkey has changed the chat topic to "VJ Theory "Let's Chat"" [12:41:16 PM] fe2cruz added alejood, cym, fefifolios, ideacritik, la, ion, metamolusque, fougeras nathalie, paula v?lez to this chat [12:42:48 PM] Remote Control Monkey says: shall we set some format for the chat? was thinking that before we type maybe we should identify our name/location - so that viewers could get a sense of who is talking - also would you like us to give a 1-2 line introduction to ourselves? ex for text: Lucy/League of Imaginary Scientists in LA: then whatever I say... [12:44:42 PM] VJ Theory says: sorry to be away. we are trying to sort out things on the video chat [12:44:48 PM] VJ Theory says: be back to you soon. [12:52:53 PM] VJ Theory says: Lucy, could you pass the text we went to you today to everyone. it may be easier to follow us? [12:53:43 PM] Remote Control Monkey says: sounds good - we'll follow your questions/promts - take cues from you as the moderator [12:53:56 PM] VJ Theory says: cool [12:54:02 PM] fe2cruz says: Christiaan/CA:will do [12:55:34 PM] Remote Control Monkey says: Info from VJ Theory on the overall VJ Theory conference as well as today's subject to follow: We thought that it would be helpful to give you a more extended text of what we will be talking about later. Especially to those who will follow the discussion by text. We may add a few more questions and should you have any sugestions, please feel free to send them to us. + What is VJTheory (brief presentation) vjtheory.net is an online community of VJs and artists who reflect on their work, linking practices such as realtime installation, performance and political praxis and share their ideas with others in the community. This community actively discusses and reflects on philosophy and theory related with VJing and realtime interaction. The project has been running for over two years and has built up an extensive collection of work which can help other practitioners to critically examine their practice. Through publishing articles, interviews and reviews, the project is able to distribute the work of the community and organise online debates in areas which are highlighted by our contributors. We would like to motivate people to reflect theoretically on their practice. There is a lot of work being done and VJing is so diverse, but there is not a language that is unique to it or a vocabulary. There is an immense diversity of approaches to this practice and we hope something relevant in the equally diverse theoretical and philosophical approaches is being developed. + Small history (what have we been doing so far) The original idea for the project came from the Narrative Lab workshops at AVIT (Brighton in 2002 and Birmingham in 2004) where Brendan presented some ideas and organized workshops where participants could present ongoing work. A lot of good ideas were debated. There was also an obvious need for written texts which would inform VJ practice and related issues, from a philosophical and theoretical perspective. Some of the people involved were students trying to feed their practice as VJs into their studies, some others were practitioners interested in reflecting on their own and similar practices. They would struggle to find written documentation to support and refer to. This also became apparent in the college where Ana and Brendan teach and in their own work. >From there we sent out a call for papers in June 2004 to compile a collection of texts into a book about VJing and realtime interaction. This turned into a website and the website grew to become as important as the book. Now we have a growing community, discussing theory, philosophy and ideas, active in the development of the website. + Community (developing and keep the community active and interested) - Website Is through the web site that we develop this community. It became a space for developing projects that gathers together individuals and groups related with VJ Theory. It is divided in two major sections: Book, which has information on the book to be published with the most relevant texts we have received on VJing and real time interaction. The other section is divided into four areas, this is the part of the growing database of work sent by and produced online by the community. Art: has reviews of work or projects. Interviews: with practitioners reflecting on their practice. These interviews allow contributors bring up questions, references, influences and ideas which come out of their work. Texts: the more theoretical texts, which reflect on the practice, linking this with relevant theories and philosophical perspectives. References: list of links to relevant information, for example research groups, courses, theories, theorists and other related texts. We also link to other comunities and websites where relevant information can be found. - Small projects: 'What is Vjing and realtime interaction?' and 'Let's Chat' So far we did two projects which aimed at engaging the community to exchange directly (without our filtering) ideas. 'What is Vjing and realtime interaction?' is an ongoing call for definitions of this diverse area. We are looking to have a broader description of VJing and realtime interaction to add to the existing one. Rather than reifying a single definition,we wanted the contributions to generate a fluid description. 'Let's Chat' was a series of six chat events, each moderated by a contributor and with a specific theme. These chats were a starting point that brought to the surface a lot of interesting questions for debate. Themes from the chats: authorship, technology, networks and collaboration, narrative, ideology, performer. + Links with other communities with overlapping interests (upcoming projects) After the 'Let's Chat' sessions, we got a lot of people sending us e-mails saying they would like these debates to carry on, and this is what we have been looking at as a future project. To find ways, new projects where people can develop the themes from the chats and possibly new ones for a longer length of time. We have also put a proposal to Rhizome Commissions (communities) to develop a project which allows people to create theoretical texts collaboratively. + Questions we would like to put to the audience: Ideas for projects and ways in which the community can be developed (input from the audience) - In which ways could VJ Theory be developed to create a space which people became actively involved? - In which ways could we put theorists and practitioners together to reflect on the practice? (theoretical VJing, reflective VJing) [1:00:05 PM] Camille Baker says: ok Brendan will introduce VJ Theory in a moment - to the video chat folks [1:00:16 PM] Camille Baker says: and then I will take over moderating this chat [1:03:25 PM] aether9 says: hi all, here aether9 HQ, geneva, switzerland. [1:03:36 PM] Camille Baker says: hi there [1:03:46 PM] Camille Baker says: looks like were' starting the video side [1:04:24 PM] aether9 says: should we be watching somebody's video feed? [1:04:45 PM] fe2cruz says: no video feed for us, we are part of the multi/chat [1:04:53 PM] Camille Baker says: you can't - just hold on - did you ahve chance to read the intro [1:04:59 PM] Remote Control Monkey says: Hi Manuel, we have a separate chat going on that Camille will be monitoring - more info above in the long text area. [1:05:18 PM] Camille Baker says: maybe if you just came on now you can read it [1:05:25 PM] Camille Baker says: I can repost if need be [1:05:42 PM] aether9 says: ok i'm reading.. [1:06:42 PM] Camille Baker says: let me know if I need to repost - we're introducing ourselves [1:06:52 PM] Camille Baker says: so maybe we can do that here as well [1:08:02 PM] VJ Theory says: yes. that would be a good idea. will you guys like to introduce yourselves too? [1:08:09 PM] Camille Baker says: yes [1:08:36 PM] Camille Baker says: So how about you folks go first - as I'm multi-tasking her [1:08:38 PM] Camille Baker says: here [1:08:42 PM] Remote Control Monkey says: I (Lucy HG from the League of Imaginary Scientists - based in LA) contributed text to the VJ Theory book and have been thinking about my own and others' realtime practice. The various text participants in this chat collaborated on a realtime interactive narrative entitled "Aether" (http://1904.cc/aether/) in early May. In all, there are nine artists or collaborative groups located around the globe. Since our live performance - the 9 remote performers have continued our discussion on the development of realtime and interactive narratives. This first project was presented at the Mapping Festival in Geneva. The other participants will introduce themselves... [1:09:35 PM] fe2cruz says: Christiaan Cruz - creative peer participant from Southern California. Also a contributor to the "Aether" project [1:10:40 PM] aether9 says: Manuel Schmalstieg - project coordinator of "Aether" project and chairman of N3krozoft Media Group. [1:11:32 PM] Camille Baker says: I'm Camille and I run a media org called The Escape Artists [1:11:59 PM] Camille Baker says: and am a PhD student at the University of East London by distance [1:12:25 PM] Camille Baker says: and working on a project involving live VJing using / on mobile phones [1:13:14 PM] Camille Baker says: Manuel can you say more about N3krozoft Media Group [1:13:56 PM] Camille Baker says: Ana is talking about the history of VJ Theory and the book [1:14:45 PM] Camille Baker says: hello? [1:15:00 PM] VJ Theory says: carry on camille [1:15:35 PM] aether9 says: N3krozoft LTD = Retrofuturistic Media Conglomerat. Tag line: Security through Obscurity. Related URLs: www.n3krozoft.com www.x-xx---x.info www.1904.cc [1:16:03 PM] Camille Baker says: Can people perhaps tell us about their interests in VJ Theory while Ana introduces projects to the video group [1:16:09 PM] Camille Baker says: thanks Manuel [1:17:54 PM] Camille Baker says: text people - what's up? [1:18:24 PM] Camille Baker says: Lucy, Patricia are you still there? [1:18:52 PM] Remote Control Monkey says: My (Lucy/The League of Imaginary Scientists) interest in VJ Theory stems from the desire to find meaning in interactive technology - so that the technology does not overwhelm but facilitates a narrative or idea. In order to do this successfully, I think the media developments must be well considered, and it seems that VJ Theory is a forum for doing this. [1:19:51 PM] aether9 says: Mostly we (n3kr.ltd) are interested in re-analyzing our daily media practices through a historical / analytical (and therefore also theoretical) angle - see Dead Media Project as an example of such approach. [1:20:45 PM] fe2cruz says: Events like this one, the book, and the evolving dialogue make for a great opportunity to develop this new community [1:22:08 PM] Camille Baker says: excellent [1:22:16 PM] Remote Control Monkey says: Lucy/the League - Some more info on the League - the League of Imaginary Scientists (www.imaginaryscience.org) brings together artists, technologists, and scientists to perform various sci/tech "experiments." The Aether project coordinated by N3krozoft fit well into the League's practice, as this narrative borrowed from mythology, science, and technology, to construct a layered narrative carried out collectively in 9 video streams. Aether's role in Greek mythology, ether as a gas, and the ethernet became themes in the broader narrative. The theory behind our interactive involvement, I think, is quite tied to this idea of experimentation and (almost) organic development. [1:22:47 PM] fe2cruz says: Chats streaming and conferencing on an international level is very exciting. [1:23:32 PM] Remote Control Monkey says: Lucy - yes, as is the whole process of a community-based narrative, or visual development [1:23:43 PM] fe2cruz says: Connectivity, performance, interaction? [1:23:52 PM] Camille Baker says: Can people perhaps tell us about their interests in the VJ Theory community [1:24:00 PM] Camille Baker says: and project [1:24:54 PM] fe2cruz says: The community is a tremendous resource... [1:26:03 PM] fe2cruz says: It keeps practitioners involved and connected. [1:26:47 PM] Remote Control Monkey says: The VJ Theory project (http://www.vjtheory.net/) pushed me to interview and start a discussion with various media artists about their thoughts on their own process and projects. I found that the artists perhaps had not been asked to consider the philosophical/theoretical implications of interactivity, and the discussion made us all think more carefully about how and when to implement various technologies... [1:27:08 PM] fe2cruz says: It enables a rapid development similar to the accelerated growth of other internet phenomena like p2p. [1:28:33 PM] Remote Control Monkey says: Doesn't it also make perfect sense that digital artists be connected through digital means - thus, an online/chat/video community? [1:29:56 PM] aether9 says: personal interpretation: VJ theory -> link between two concepts, the total(itarian) seductivity of the realtime control of media - call it the hype aspect of the vj community - which is at the same time transporting a form of amorality (hedonism - links to techno culture / fashion / datadandysm / using the most powerful/ state-of-the-art/ expensive hardware / processor intensive software) - a counterside could be the theoretical/ analytical point of view (being conscious of the ephemeric state of the medium, the short lifespan of hardware, the possibilities of alternative/ non-digital low-fi technology, awareness of the fact of walking along the footsteps of moholy-nagy, athanasius kirchner, dandy warhole, n.j. paik, netochka nezvanova and other pragmatic visionaries)... [1:33:04 PM] fe2cruz says: I'm very happy that Foucault and Deleuze are refenced [1:33:11 PM] Remote Control Monkey says: (Lucy/League) yes - many interesting dualities, control/chaos, techno/organic - the idea of technological distance and creative or communicative intimacy conflated [1:36:58 PM] Remote Control Monkey says: (Lucy/League) regarding hedonism, there is also the strange parallel of creative interactive technology and current remote war practice/mentality - the political and emotional distance though we are technologically close [1:37:00 PM] Camille Baker says: i'm intersted in what you are discussing around being conscious of the ephemeric [1:37:30 PM] Camille Baker says: and the ideas of technological distance and creative or communicative intimacy conflated [1:38:55 PM] Camille Baker says: but my brain is split in this setting [1:39:41 PM] Camille Baker says: Julie here is saying that there are very few VJ artists in the world and without this technology we wouldn't othewise meet [1:40:13 PM] Camille Baker says: Brendan is talking about the democratization of technologies now enabling artists [1:41:09 PM] fe2cruz says: (Christiaan) using the digital method also uses less resources [1:41:17 PM] Camille Baker says: yes [1:41:44 PM] Remote Control Monkey says: personally (Lucy), I find interactive narrative - collaboration with others through realtime interaction - much more rewarding than live performance without that additional layer - the lack of control and the ephemeral nature of the interactive collaboration is somehow more... [1:42:01 PM] fe2cruz says: (Christiaan) Its amazing once you use these and similar resources how fast your process will change. [1:42:09 PM] Camille Baker says: interesting - I'm interested in how we can facilitate both [1:42:26 PM] Camille Baker says: that was referencing lucy [1:42:48 PM] Remote Control Monkey says: certainly a more democratic process, right? no one entitly can control a nine-party remote collaboration! [1:43:47 PM] Camille Baker says: right and since i'm intersted in collective consciousness - what about even more than 9? [1:44:05 PM] fe2cruz says: (Christiaan) Chance, interplay, the more layers the better [1:44:39 PM] Camille Baker says: yes layers and more layers - but layers implies being on top of but I'm intersted in intermingling [1:45:01 PM] Camille Baker says: I'm pulling us off in another direction however [1:45:08 PM] Remote Control Monkey says: entwine [1:45:17 PM] fe2cruz says: (Christiaan) well for aether 9 boxes just looks the best, but with digital communities we get the extended dialog after the performance [1:45:29 PM] Camille Baker says: Ana is asking about how people waht ot contribute and collaborate via VJ THEORY [1:45:52 PM] Camille Baker says: (entwine is nice) [1:46:18 PM] Camille Baker says: or how can they make their website more open and go beyond text [1:46:27 PM] aether9 says: another interesting project in the realtime visual collaboration field is "upstage". it uses the concept of intermingled layers rather than the grid structure of "aether" [1:46:28 PM] Remote Control Monkey says: (Lucy) these discussions are ideal - pushing me to really consider the reasons for implementing the interactivity [1:46:54 PM] fe2cruz says: (Christiaan) yes beyond text, because its limited [1:47:21 PM] aether9 says: a proposal for vj theory website: there needs to be a new generation of wikis... [1:47:44 PM] Camille Baker says: ok I'll pass that on [1:48:00 PM] fe2cruz says: (Christiaan) even in its early experimental stages aether managed to accomplish a great deal with just 9 boxes of images [1:48:16 PM] aether9 says: ... wikis where users can input text and images, which are then rearranged in a layered, dense but still logical way. [1:48:20 PM] Remote Control Monkey says: (Lucy) Ironically, I find myspace and online communities really oppressive, yet I value connecting up, as in this (almost old-school telegraph/type) format [1:48:35 PM] Camille Baker says: ok they are trying to address this [1:48:38 PM] Camille Baker says: ... [1:49:14 PM] Camille Baker says: they are saying that that's similar to what they are doing around collaborative writing [1:50:26 PM] Remote Control Monkey says: what is this process of collaborative writing - is it like this chat? or more formal - as in passing text back and forth... [1:51:05 PM] Camille Baker says: and then it becomes a multi-text rather than collaborative - which is what they want and Julie is asking if they have foudn any open source software [1:51:10 PM] Camille Baker says: that they can use [1:51:57 PM] Camille Baker says: but they have found nothing at the moment [1:52:06 PM] aether9 says: they / they (please more specific)... [1:52:11 PM] Camille Baker says: they want to pay someone to help out with that [1:52:12 PM] Remote Control Monkey says: strangely, final draft for screenwriting I believe allows collective authorship - it references which authors update/edit and when - but I wonder if this defeats the purpose...by giving "credit" [1:52:37 PM] Remote Control Monkey says: (They must be Ana and Brendan) [1:52:47 PM] fe2cruz says: Yes, I used to share scripts with lots of autors using the many screenwriting programs [1:53:06 PM] Camille Baker says: yes they is Ana and Brendan [1:54:08 PM] fe2cruz says: community text limited to exchange: BBS mailing lists SMS IRC... [1:54:22 PM] Camille Baker says: yes [1:54:46 PM] fe2cruz says: You can't name an author [1:54:58 PM] fe2cruz says: Its the community [1:55:06 PM] aether9 says: SubEthaEdit is advertised as "the world's best text collaboration engine"... but it's commercialware. [1:55:24 PM] Remote Control Monkey says: any historical references to collective authorship? screenplay yes, also theology texts in general...oral histories - collective authorship based in internet stemming back to oral narratives [1:55:55 PM] Camille Baker says: i think Brendan is concerned about making sure there's academic rigour balanced with artistic practice in the collaborative wokr - is that correct Brendan? [1:56:20 PM] Camille Baker says: he says yes [1:56:26 PM] Remote Control Monkey says: (Lucy) and that the collaborative writing will drive more theory-integrated practice? [1:56:33 PM] Camille Baker says: he hates the term academic rigour [1:56:39 PM] VJ Theory says: nos as such and also I hate the sentence 'academic rigour' [1:56:52 PM] VJ Theory says: and analyze and question it [1:56:54 PM] Camille Baker says: and he thinks we need to take these traditions and analyze them and ... [1:57:48 PM] Camille Baker says: sorry trying to listen - carry on Lucy [1:58:46 PM] fe2cruz says: Stories need listeners and the best story tellers are the best listeners. Why not make everyone tell the story [2:01:47 PM] Remote Control Monkey says: open writing - very much like open source - a reference to Sergei Tret?iakov, Russian writer who died in Stalin?s purges - his manifesto called for the ?deindividualization and deprofessionalization of the writer.? He thought of a literary assembly line with teams of authors, much like early efforts to create the encyclopedia [2:03:05 PM] Camille Baker says: so I want to bring this back to VJ practice and how it relates specifically to how we can contribute to VJ Theory and collabrating in non-textal ways as well [2:03:26 PM] Camille Baker says: Brendan is discussing the concern about the commodification of the VJ [2:03:40 PM] Camille Baker says: and how we can analyze this development [2:06:16 PM] Remote Control Monkey says: as in - taking the brand name out of it? deindividualization... [2:08:18 PM] Camille Baker says: no like exploiting VJs [2:08:25 PM] Camille Baker says: and their work for coke ads [2:10:10 PM] Camille Baker says: so one idea for collaborative project might be to create a video and post it and then it gets re-edited and reposted and reinterpreted and then keep in goign in an on-going remix and another idea was like an exquisite corpse [2:10:30 PM] Camille Baker says: so something gets added on the end of each version [2:10:40 PM] aether9 says: if an artwork can be exploited for a coke ad, the artwork is maybe more to blame than coke. [2:10:44 PM] aether9 says: ... [2:10:56 PM] aether9 says: i come back to the storytelling term... the story can be an ingredient, but one of the core principles of vjing is that there cannot be a linear flow, the story (if there is any) will inevitably be fragmented, shattered, elements will repeat endlessly while other sequences pass by in a flash - the story will be on the verge of intelligibility. so we could question the fact if vjs can be indeed called storytellers, maybe rather storybenders, storyscratchers or storyfragmenters... [2:11:29 PM] fe2cruz says: "like and exquisite corpse" or just like a bohm dialog image after image, video after video [2:12:02 PM] Camille Baker says: no like exquistite corpse [2:12:10 PM] aether9 says: this is one of the points the Aether9 project searches the develop, looking for practicable ways of communicating a structured content through a form that is improvisational, open and unpredictable. [2:13:29 PM] Camille Baker says: sure could be image after image or video after image after sound etc [2:13:43 PM] Camille Baker says: ya its a good idea [2:14:03 PM] Camille Baker says: (responding to the last post) [2:14:26 PM] Remote Control Monkey says: (Lucy) every creative culture runs the risk of exploitation - I agree with Manuel that to some extent we can control what companies co-opt, and that the corporatization of the original idea is what pushes artists to do something else, always. [2:14:59 PM] Camille Baker says: true [2:15:30 PM] fe2cruz says: Hopefully the community is moving so rapidly we will have already passed the project that has been exploited by the masses [2:15:32 PM] Camille Baker says: a question was asked also about what happens when a video for remix goes out to the community what happens then [2:16:11 PM] Camille Baker says: and what happens in comunities - should they be closed or open [2:16:29 PM] Camille Baker says: then there are issues about how artists feel about copyright? [2:16:48 PM] Camille Baker says: do they feel "ownership" of their piece [2:17:30 PM] fe2cruz says: For my own work, it would be an honor to get remixed by a community [2:18:08 PM] Remote Control Monkey says: (Lucy) even our aether collaboration, as this chat, was by invitation only - collective collaboration that is filtered - and, likely better, though less egalitarian, as a result... [2:18:41 PM] Camille Baker says: Julie is also saying that the first thing is also to try to let people even know about this form of art as art not just eye candy [2:18:53 PM] Camille Baker says: so outreach is important [2:19:02 PM] Remote Control Monkey says: "better" - I know, dangerous to use that word, like "rigor" [2:19:17 PM] fe2cruz says: (Christiaan) Much like software it is very easy to put a creative commons license to the media you share digitally [2:19:17 PM] aether9 says: Lucy, it was a quite "random" type of invitation.... [2:20:06 PM] Camille Baker says: to create community and people shouldn't feel compelled to hold onto something - their wokr in a community or have ownership in a collaborative project as oppsed to a book where owndership might be more important [2:20:20 PM] Remote Control Monkey says: (Lucy) regarding Aether, I may be wrong - not so filtered, you think? [2:21:27 PM] fe2cruz says: well filtered in the performative aspect of a limited number of boxes, but in the project as a whole very open. There were many bodies involved outisde of those 9 squares [2:21:34 PM] Remote Control Monkey says: so big question, with collective authorship of texts and creative collaborations, we all still identify our roles in the creative process - so the participation still comes down to the individual credit? [2:24:43 PM] aether9 says: one comment: about the whole cadavre-exquise / remixology / creativity by the community - thing... everybody who tried it knows about the possibility of creating something fascinating but also the danger of creating something uttelry boring (because the personal obsessions and neuroses of one creative individual are lacking)... democracy being a double-sided sword in the field of art [2:25:02 PM] Camille Baker says: Brendan says there no issues about community restriction - from his anarchist background [2:26:30 PM] Camille Baker says: a question here was if VJ Theory have made a connection to fax art, mail art etc [2:26:49 PM] Remote Control Monkey says: a scientific aside: in the last ten years neuroscience studies (brain imaging/recording of brain activity) indicate that human beings - women in particular - are wired to collaborate. When given tasks that involve collaborative efforts, the human brain activates reward centers. In effect, neurotransmitters in the brain reward us with pleasure for ?working well with others.? [2:28:12 PM] Camille Baker says: interesting Lucy - we shoudl talk offline or separate as we have similar interests it seems [2:29:37 PM] Camille Baker says: Julie asks when someone does visual performance, why is it that video is secondary to the music - whereas in single channel video (video art) music is secondary [2:30:30 PM] Camille Baker says: Brendan say that is changing as some artists are exploring the reverse in the UK but mostly it is the opposite [2:32:34 PM] Camille Baker says: ana is giving some interesting examples of te VJ artists putting temselves more into the visuals and the music being secondary but also mentioning that at the a VJ festival there were still musicians on stage but the VJ's in the background [2:33:14 PM] Camille Baker says: and this is a problem that needs to be addressed but organizers either don't notice it as a problem or haven't figured out how to address it [2:34:26 PM] fe2cruz says: (Christiaan) There are celebrity VJs [2:34:43 PM] Camille Baker says: but they still sit in the back [2:35:16 PM] fe2cruz says: and hardly ever lit with a spotlight [2:35:20 PM] thom_edison says: you can dance to dj's, not vj's, and the vj's usually perform alongside vj's. [2:35:26 PM] Camille Baker says: Brendan is talkign about Ana doing someting on the website about the role of the VJ as performer and how to put them in the forefront (is that correect Ana)? [2:35:30 PM] Remote Control Monkey says: (Lucy) VJ performance in "new music" - as in contemporary classical - also has a long history (since late 60s) - current performances that come to mind include the Kronos Quartet. In these, the video often is quite integrated into the performance, with a pier relationship between image and sound - perhaps because the music video relationship is not established for that genre [2:36:04 PM] Camille Baker says: good example - but not the norm? [2:36:46 PM] Camille Baker says: Ana is talkign about how they attended the Mapping Festival in Geneva recently [2:36:49 PM] VJ Theory says: yes camille.that's it. [2:36:53 PM] thom_edison says: if vj's aren't performing in the context of dance parties, where they will always remain in the dark, i don't quite understand why the word "vj" is still used. [2:37:10 PM] VJ Theory says: sorry I can't folow both chats at the same time. [2:37:19 PM] VJ Theory says: I'm trying though [2:37:29 PM] Camille Baker says: right so that's perhaps the point- take VJs out of the party environment and find ways to highlight their work [2:37:35 PM] Remote Control Monkey says: The Aether project premiered at the Mapping Festival in Geneva... [2:37:58 PM] Camille Baker says: my question is if you take away the music but keep the liveness is it no longer VJING? [2:38:03 PM] VJ Theory says: thom, that is a definition rather broad that one of the VJ [2:39:01 PM] Camille Baker says: well Julie and other use other terms - like visual performers, live cinema [2:39:40 PM] fe2cruz says: (Christiaan) yes most other practitioners do use other terms [2:39:45 PM] Camille Baker says: or performance video [2:39:53 PM] aether9 says: vj has simply the advantage of being easy to pronounce... [2:40:03 PM] Remote Control Monkey says: (Lucy) definitions can be restrictive, and have strong underlying connotations - VJ conjures something very different from live cinema - which seems more narrative based [2:40:05 PM] Camille Baker says: or easily recognized [2:40:21 PM] Camille Baker says: understood generally [2:41:13 PM] Camille Baker says: not all cinema is narrative however [2:41:16 PM] Remote Control Monkey says: though also references a specific scene/movement [2:41:20 PM] fe2cruz says: (Christiaan) easier to bring kids to a vj festival than a visual live perfomative cinema showcase [2:41:32 PM] Camille Baker says: true [2:41:43 PM] Remote Control Monkey says: (Lucy) and much more difficult to bring your grandma to a vj festival than a live cinema showcase [2:42:30 PM] fe2cruz says: but my grandma loved everthing i did not matter what it was called [2:43:14 PM] Camille Baker says: any more questions - we're about to fold otherwise [2:44:42 PM] fe2cruz says: (Christiaan) any last new announcements or developments from the Vjtheory.net project? [2:46:17 PM] Camille Baker says: no they are just saying that the Rhizome commission will announce the software (?) or other work form VJ THeory soon [2:46:35 PM] fe2cruz says: great! [2:46:59 PM] Camille Baker says: Topher wanted to know how they might do fundraising and perhasp the VJ community could donate to Vj Theory [2:47:01 PM] VJ Theory says: please look at Rhizome's call for commisions to know more about our proposal [2:47:31 PM] Camille Baker says: and Brendan and Ana were reticent to ask for donations [2:48:22 PM] Camille Baker says: how do you want ot end / or continue this after today but also right now [2:49:08 PM] Camille Baker says: Ana wants to ask us in Vancouver and LA to get back to them with ideas and project and new ways of participating [2:49:09 PM] aether9 says: it's getting late here so i'm folding too. it was a pleasure to attend this discussion and i'll be looking for news on vj theory site. also more aether9 performances are upcoming - news will be posted on 1904.cc/aether ... bye. [2:49:28 PM] Camille Baker says: including us just chatting amonst ourselves but also contributing to the website [2:49:31 PM] Camille Baker says: and book [2:49:44 PM] fe2cruz says: We sould say our thanks first to everyone involved and then discuss how to continue [2:49:47 PM] Camille Baker says: and if I am up for it (camille) if I can make the chat available [2:49:51 PM] Camille Baker says: yes I will [2:50:04 PM] Remote Control Monkey says: Thanks! - Lucy/the League - looking forward to extended conversation... [2:50:05 PM] Camille Baker says: and Ana will try follow up on the comments [2:50:19 PM] Camille Baker says: and if everyone can provide their emails [2:50:23 PM] thom_edison says: thank you & good bye to all from brussels [2:50:27 PM] Camille Baker says: so she can follwo up with you all [2:50:44 PM] fe2cruz says: perfect christiaan.cruz at [nospam] gmail.com [2:50:48 PM] Camille Baker says: magda wants to continue chats online [2:51:23 PM] Remote Control Monkey says: you can post to the aether list and email everyone at once by mailing to aether at [nospam] 1904.cc [2:52:18 PM] fe2cruz says: have a good night boris, manuel [2:52:37 PM] Camille Baker says: good night/ afternoon all ! [2:53:00 PM] VJ Theory says: Thanks to all of you that participated on the text chat [2:53:05 PM] fe2cruz says: its midnight over there [2:53:16 PM] VJ Theory says: sorry we couldn't follow as clsely as we would like [2:53:37 PM] VJ Theory says: hope we do a few more of these chats at some point soon [2:53:58 PM] Camille Baker says: Topher wants to continue sometihng here in terms of creating an on-going discussion - starting now [2:54:01 PM] fe2cruz says: yes, more chats would be great. looking forward to it [2:54:21 PM] fe2cruz says: and of course whatever dialog we can create now [2:54:30 PM] Camille Baker says: that we can share with you all later [2:55:07 PM] cym says: goodnight [2:55:19 PM] VJ Theory says: bye everyone. [2:55:22 PM] fe2cruz says: night cym [2:55:33 PM] VJ Theory says: send us postcards! [2:55:34 PM] fe2cruz says: bye brendan & ana [2:55:44 PM] Camille Baker says: bye [2:55:55 PM] VJ Theory says: thank you so much camille [2:56:08 PM] VJ Theory says: for moderating the chat [2:56:41 PM] Camille Baker says: no worries - I hope it was what you hoped [2:56:52 PM] VJ Theory says: it was really good [2:57:01 PM] VJ Theory says: we ended up loosing mos of it [2:57:06 PM] VJ Theory says: most of it I mean [2:57:20 PM] VJ Theory says: would you please send us the whole chat? [2:57:25 PM] Camille Baker says: that's ok - I'll send you the transcript - maybe it was good that i typed a lot of it out [2:57:31 PM] VJ Theory says: that is, if you have it. of course. [2:57:35 PM] Camille Baker says: yes I will [2:57:45 PM] VJ Theory says: it definitivelly was. [2:57:52 PM] fe2cruz says: i can email you all the whole text after we finish [2:58:03 PM] VJ Theory says: yes, that would be great [2:58:18 PM] fe2cruz says: my skype has the whole chat logged [2:58:19 PM] VJ Theory says: i'm going to leave the chat now. [2:58:27 PM] Camille Baker says: can you wait til later though ? [2:58:37 PM] Camille Baker says: the conversation is continuing here [2:58:46 PM] fe2cruz says: yes once everything is done [2:58:53 PM] VJ Theory says: shall we saty for a bit longer then? [2:59:02 PM] VJ Theory says: stay [2:59:08 PM] Camille Baker says: ok thanks everyone [2:59:32 PM] Camille Baker says: no that's ok - its late for you - I'll try write what we talka botu here as well [2:59:38 PM] Camille Baker says: about [3:05:19 PM] fe2cruz says: camille, were you still going to continue? [3:10:45 PM] Camille Baker says: i'm here but i was talkign sorry [3:11:24 PM] fe2cruz says: oh thats ok, i'll be here its still early [3:12:21 PM] Camille Baker says: we're continuing "off-line" - we're talking about baRRIER TO BUILDING COMMNITY (oops sorry about the caps) [3:12:47 PM] Camille Baker says: like academic versus party vj, versus artist [3:13:10 PM] fe2cruz says: thats ok take your time, [3:13:57 PM] Camille Baker says: or other perceived barriers to connecting - just like the barrier of what the VJ name [3:14:27 PM] Camille Baker says: what is VJ culture - is it a unified culture or cliques [3:15:45 PM] Camille Baker says: so that's what we're talking about [3:17:06 PM] Camille Baker says: Topher has a project to prosed to the community: [3:17:26 PM] Camille Baker says: he invites anyone who has time or interest but its a short time frame [3:17:37 PM] Camille Baker says: he's interests in unsual spaces [3:18:00 PM] Camille Baker says: first one on the Seawall in Vancouver [3:20:29 PM] Camille Baker says: and wants to project onto some sculptures on the beach adn peopel are invited to bring lights - they are bringing their own power genrator and its only for 30 minutes and braodcast on a radio - transmitted by FM and on theme of HUman Powered transportation - June 16th [3:21:17 PM] Camille Baker says: Julie sugested he contact an org called pedalpower.org [3:22:52 PM] fe2cruz says: oh yes the clowns they are fantastic at human energy [3:24:01 PM] Camille Baker says: Andrew is curious about what tools are missing for VJ's, in terms of software, as he is interested in creating tools as a software designer [3:24:51 PM] Camille Baker says: and asking everyone to let him know as he interested in how to to assist vjs in their process [3:24:58 PM] fe2cruz says: open source browser based everything is what we all want [3:26:07 PM] Camille Baker says: like having little clips of everthing on the desktop just cycling through or what? [3:26:27 PM] Camille Baker says: Topher is intersted in meta-data or semi-automatic VJing [3:26:44 PM] fe2cruz says: like an actual vj mixing and editing software browser based so you could use any machine anywhere and do your work [3:26:57 PM] Camille Baker says: ok hold on I'll tell him [3:27:08 PM] fe2cruz says: visitorsstudio kinda does it on a small scael [3:27:24 PM] Camille Baker says: ok everyone want that here [3:28:34 PM] Camille Baker says: yes so I know about that and told them more [3:29:27 PM] fe2cruz says: i think the link is www.furtherstudio.org [3:29:50 PM] fe2cruz says: really simple small falls only [3:31:52 PM] Camille Baker says: ya I sorted it out here - its actually at/ through http gallery / www.furtherfield.org somehow organized by Marc Garrett and Ruth Catlow [3:32:51 PM] Camille Baker says: ya i told Andrew to check it out nad h wants to do something... he's a really talented programmer (fyi) [3:33:04 PM] fe2cruz says: yeah its fun stuff, i hope they keep it growing [3:34:16 PM] Camille Baker says: me too [3:34:32 PM] Camille Baker says: I shoudl go now though... [3:35:53 PM] fe2cruz says: tjats ok whats your email? [3:36:03 PM] Camille Baker says: camib at telus.net [3:36:45 PM] Camille Baker says: Thanks Christian [3:36:51 PM] Camille Baker says: what's yours [3:36:53 PM] fe2cruz says: i'll get this txt file to your email [3:37:01 PM] Camille Baker says: ok [3:37:10 PM] fe2cruz says: christiaan.cruz at [nospam] gmail.com [3:38:16 PM] Camille Baker says: cool thanks - chat again soon! [3:38:25 PM] fe2cruz says: great thank you bye [3:38:31 PM] Camille Baker says: bye :) From camib at telus.net Sun May 27 01:58:56 2007 From: camib at telus.net (Camille) Date: Sat, 26 May 2007 16:58:56 -0700 Subject: [aether] Intercontinental Skype Discussion with VJ Theory: Future Directions In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Christian and I have one that includes what happened after and the side conversations ? I will send them out as soon as I pull them off my laptop ...shortly Camille On 5/26/07 3:15 PM, "The League of Imaginary Scientists" wrote: > Hi everyone, attached find the transcript from today?s chat... Was engaging! > > - Lucy > > The League of Imaginary Scientists > >>> >>> ----- Original Message ----- >>> >>> From: VJ Theory >>> >>> To: Camille Baker ; Lucy H. G. >>> ; Patricia Moran >>> >>> >>> Sent: Saturday, May 26, 2007 11:50 AM >>> >>> Subject: Intercontinental Skype Discussion with VJ Theory: Future >>> Directions >>> >>> >>> >>> Hello Camille, Lucy and Patricia, >>> >>> >>> We thought that it would be helpful to give you a more extended text of >>> what we will be talking about later. Especially to those who will follow >>> the discussion by text. >>> We may add a few more questions and should you have any sugestions, please >>> feel free to send them to us. >>> >>> Looking forward to seeing you later. >>> >>> Ana and brendan >>> >>> >>> >>> + What is VJTheory (brief presentation) >>> >>> vjtheory.net is an online community of VJs and artists who reflect on their >>> work, linking practices such as realtime installation, performance and >>> political praxis and share their ideas with others in the community. This >>> community actively discusses and reflects on philosophy and theory related >>> with VJing and realtime interaction. >>> >>> The project has been running for over two years and has built up an >>> extensive collection of work which can help other practitioners to >>> critically examine their practice. Through publishing articles, interviews >>> and reviews, the project is able to distribute the work of the community >>> and organise online debates in areas which are highlighted by our >>> contributors. >>> >>> We would like to motivate people to reflect theoretically on their >>> practice. There is a lot of work being done and VJing is so diverse, but >>> there is not a language that is unique to it or a vocabulary. There is an >>> immense diversity of approaches to this practice and we hope something >>> relevant in the equally diverse theoretical and philosophical approaches is >>> being developed. >>> >>> >>> + Small history (what have we been doing so far) >>> >>> The original idea for the project came from the Narrative Lab workshops at >>> AVIT (Brighton in 2002 and Birmingham in 2004) where Brendan presented some >>> ideas and organized workshops where participants could present ongoing work. >>> A lot of good ideas were debated. There was also an obvious need for >>> written texts which would inform VJ practice and related issues, from a >>> philosophical and theoretical perspective. Some of the people involved were >>> students trying to feed their practice as VJs into their studies, some >>> others were practitioners interested in reflecting on their own and similar >>> practices. They would struggle to find written documentation to support and >>> refer to. This also became apparent in the college where Ana and Brendan >>> teach and in their own work. >>> >>> From there we sent out a call for papers in June 2004 to compile a >>> collection of texts into a book about VJing and realtime interaction. This >>> turned into a website and the website grew to become as important as the >>> book. Now we have a growing community, discussing theory, philosophy and >>> ideas, active in the development of the website. >>> >>> >>> + Community (developing and keep the community active and interested) >>> >>> >>> - Website >>> >>> Is through the web site that we develop this community. It became a space >>> for developing projects that gathers together individuals and groups >>> related with VJ Theory. >>> >>> It is divided in two major sections: >>> >>> Book, which has information on the book to be published with the most >>> relevant texts we have received on VJing and real time interaction. >>> >>> The other section is divided into four areas, this is the part of the >>> growing database of work sent by and produced online by the community. >>> >>> Art: has reviews of work or projects. >>> >>> Interviews: with practitioners reflecting on their practice. These >>> interviews allow contributors bring up questions, references, influences and >>> ideas which come out of their work. >>> >>> Texts: the more theoretical texts, which reflect on the practice, linking >>> this with relevant theories and philosophical perspectives. >>> >>> References: list of links to relevant information, for example research >>> groups, courses, theories, theorists and other related texts. We also link >>> to other comunities and websites where relevant information can be found. >>> >>> >>> - Small projects: 'What is Vjing and realtime interaction?' and 'Let's >>> Chat' >>> >>> So far we did two projects which aimed at engaging the community to >>> exchange directly (without our filtering) ideas. >>> >>> 'What is Vjing and realtime interaction?' is an ongoing call for >>> definitions of this diverse area. We are looking to have a broader >>> description of VJing and realtime interaction to add to the existing one. >>> Rather than reifying a single definition,we wanted the contributions to >>> generate a fluid description. >>> >>> 'Let's Chat' was a series of six chat events, each moderated by a >>> contributor and with a specific theme. These chats were a starting point >>> that brought to the surface a lot of interesting questions for debate. >>> Themes from the chats: authorship, technology, networks and collaboration, >>> narrative, ideology, performer. >>> >>> >>> + Links with other communities with overlapping interests (upcoming >>> projects) >>> >>> After the 'Let's Chat' sessions, we got a lot of people sending us e-mails >>> saying they would like these debates to carry on, and this is what we have >>> been looking at as a future project. To find ways, new projects where >>> people can develop the themes from the chats and possibly new ones for a >>> longer length of time. >>> >>> We have also put a proposal to Rhizome Commissions (communities) to develop >>> a project which allows people to create theoretical texts collaboratively. >>> >>> >>> + Questions we would like to put to the audience: >>> >>> Ideas for projects and ways in which the community can be developed (input >>> from the audience) >>> >>> >>> >>> - In which ways could VJ Theory be developed to create a space which people >>> became actively involved? >>> >>> >>> >>> - In which ways could we put theorists and practitioners together to >>> reflect on the practice? (theoretical VJing, reflective VJing) >>> >>> >>> >>> > > > > :. Camille Baker Creative Collaborator + Adventurer http://www.swampgirl67.net/ :. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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On 5/26/07 4:29 PM, "christiaan cruz" wrote: > > If you need anything else contact me here: > Voice: +1 213 806 6962 > MobileSMS: +1 714 261 6300 > Facsimile: +1 806 261 6303 > jabber: christiaan.cruz at [nospam] gmail.com > skype/yahoo/meebo/aim: fe2cruz > msn: fe2cruz at [nospam] hotmail.com > icq: 145027075 > chikka: 007105593 > > Otherwise, here is the complete VIVO VJTheory.net "Let's Chat" skype log > the 26th of May, 2007 (times in PST) > > [12:27:48 PM] Remote Control Monkey says: Hi Christian! > [12:28:32 PM] fe2cruz says: hi. lucy? > [12:28:51 PM] Remote Control Monkey says: Yep - it's Lucy - where are you? > [12:29:03 PM] fe2cruz says: yorba linda, CA > [12:29:29 PM] Remote Control Monkey says: aah, I'm in LA, we may be the > closest in geography of all the aethernauts > [12:30:23 PM] fe2cruz says: probably, we get the best time slots too i think > [12:30:35 PM] fe2cruz says: not too early not too late > [12:30:47 PM] Remote Control Monkey says: yes - middle of the day is good > [12:31:55 PM] Remote Control Monkey says: Camille, who is moderating a video > chat with Brazilian artists and is at the venue in Vancouver, is trying to > figure out how we should do this - I suggested that I invite you and whoever > else is online to text conference and them and they can project the screen - > will try > [12:32:23 PM] fe2cruz says: that sounds good > [12:32:56 PM] fe2cruz says: but you and i won't see the video channel? > [12:35:04 PM] Remote Control Monkey added aether9, Camille Baker, thom_edison, > VJ Theory to this chat > [12:36:46 PM] Remote Control Monkey says: don't think so, Christian > [12:37:00 PM] VJ Theory says: Hi Lucy > [12:37:19 PM] fe2cruz says: i have most of the other aether people in my list, > would you like me to add them to this chat too? > [12:37:48 PM] Remote Control Monkey says: Hi! Brendan/Ana! Christian (fe2cruz) > - yes, could you add them? if anyone is awake... > [12:38:22 PM] VJ Theory says: hello christian. > [12:38:44 PM] Camille Baker says: ok but we can't really do vmultiple voice > chat out of one computer here > [12:38:56 PM] fe2cruz says: hello, vj > [12:38:58 PM] Camille Baker says: but good work on the mulit-text > [12:39:20 PM] Remote Control Monkey says: That makes sense - I think the text > chat will be better, if there are multiple participants - could be a cluttered > voice chat! > [12:39:27 PM] Camille Baker says: oh by the way hi everyon - I'm still sorting > out tech so bare with us > [12:39:59 PM] fe2cruz says: yes text will be easier for adding people as they > log into skype > [12:40:18 PM] Remote Control Monkey has changed the chat topic to "VJ Theory > "Let's Chat"" > [12:41:16 PM] fe2cruz added alejood, cym, fefifolios, ideacritik, la, ion, > metamolusque, fougeras nathalie, paula v?lez to this chat > [12:42:48 PM] Remote Control Monkey says: shall we set some format for the > chat? was thinking that before we type maybe we should identify our > name/location - so that viewers could get a sense of who is talking - also > would you like us to give a 1-2 line introduction to ourselves? ex for text: > Lucy/League of Imaginary Scientists in LA: then whatever I say... > [12:44:42 PM] VJ Theory says: sorry to be away. we are trying to sort out > things on the video chat > [12:44:48 PM] VJ Theory says: be back to you soon. > [12:52:53 PM] VJ Theory says: Lucy, could you pass the text we went to you > today to everyone. it may be easier to follow us? > [12:53:43 PM] Remote Control Monkey says: sounds good - we'll follow your > questions/promts - take cues from you as the moderator > [12:53:56 PM] VJ Theory says: cool > [12:54:02 PM] fe2cruz says: Christiaan/CA:will do > [12:55:34 PM] Remote Control Monkey says: Info from VJ Theory on the overall > VJ Theory conference as well as today's subject to follow: > > We thought that it would be helpful to give you a more extended text of what > we will be talking about later. Especially to those who will follow the > discussion by text. > We may add a few more questions and should you have any sugestions, please > feel free to send them to us. > > + What is VJTheory (brief presentation) > > vjtheory.net is an online community of VJs and artists who reflect on their > work, linking practices such as realtime installation, performance and > political praxis and share their ideas with others in the community. This > community actively discusses and reflects on philosophy and theory related > with VJing and realtime interaction. > > The project has been running for over two years and has built up an extensive > collection of work which can help other practitioners to critically examine > their practice. Through publishing articles, interviews and reviews, the > project is able to distribute the work of the community and organise online > debates in areas which are highlighted by our contributors. > > We would like to motivate people to reflect theoretically on their practice. > There is a lot of work being done and VJing is so diverse, but there is not a > language that is unique to it or a vocabulary. There is an immense diversity > of approaches to this practice and we hope something relevant in the equally > diverse theoretical and philosophical approaches is being developed. > > + Small history (what have we been doing so far) > > The original idea for the project came from the Narrative Lab workshops at > AVIT (Brighton in 2002 and Birmingham in 2004) where Brendan presented some > ideas and organized workshops where participants could present ongoing work. A > lot of good ideas were debated. There was also an obvious need for written > texts which would inform VJ practice and related issues, from a philosophical > and theoretical perspective. Some of the people involved were students trying > to feed their practice as VJs into their studies, some others were > practitioners interested in reflecting on their own and similar practices. > They would struggle to find written documentation to support and refer to. > This also became apparent in the college where Ana and Brendan teach and in > their own work. > > From there we sent out a call for papers in June 2004 to compile a collection > of texts into a book about VJing and realtime interaction. This turned into a > website and the website grew to become as important as the book. Now we have a > growing community, discussing theory, philosophy and ideas, active in the > development of the website. > > + Community (developing and keep the community active and interested) > > - Website > > Is through the web site that we develop this community. It became a space for > developing projects that gathers together individuals and groups related with > VJ Theory. > > It is divided in two major sections: > > Book, which has information on the book to be published with the most relevant > texts we have received on VJing and real time interaction. > > The other section is divided into four areas, this is the part of the growing > database of work sent by and produced online by the community. > > Art: has reviews of work or projects. > > Interviews: with practitioners reflecting on their practice. These interviews > allow contributors bring up questions, references, influences and ideas which > come out of their work. > > Texts: the more theoretical texts, which reflect on the practice, linking this > with relevant theories and philosophical perspectives. > > References: list of links to relevant information, for example research > groups, courses, theories, theorists and other related texts. We also link to > other comunities and websites where relevant information can be found. > > - Small projects: 'What is Vjing and realtime interaction?' and 'Let's Chat' > > So far we did two projects which aimed at engaging the community to exchange > directly (without our filtering) ideas. > > 'What is Vjing and realtime interaction?' is an ongoing call for definitions > of this diverse area. We are looking to have a broader description of VJing > and realtime interaction to add to the existing one. Rather than reifying a > single definition,we wanted the contributions to generate a fluid description. > > 'Let's Chat' was a series of six chat events, each moderated by a contributor > and with a specific theme. These chats were a starting point that brought to > the surface a lot of interesting questions for debate. Themes from the chats: > authorship, technology, networks and collaboration, narrative, ideology, > performer. > > > + Links with other communities with overlapping interests (upcoming projects) > > After the 'Let's Chat' sessions, we got a lot of people sending us e-mails > saying they would like these debates to carry on, and this is what we have > been looking at as a future project. To find ways, new projects where people > can develop the themes from the chats and possibly new ones for a longer > length of time. > > We have also put a proposal to Rhizome Commissions (communities) to develop a > project which allows people to create theoretical texts collaboratively. > > + Questions we would like to put to the audience: > > Ideas for projects and ways in which the community can be developed (input > from the audience) > > - In which ways could VJ Theory be developed to create a space which people > became actively involved? > > - In which ways could we put theorists and practitioners together to reflect > on the practice? (theoretical VJing, reflective VJing) > [1:00:05 PM] Camille Baker says: ok Brendan will introduce VJ Theory in a > moment - to the video chat folks > [1:00:16 PM] Camille Baker says: and then I will take over moderating this > chat > [1:03:25 PM] aether9 says: hi all, here aether9 HQ, geneva, switzerland. > [1:03:36 PM] Camille Baker says: hi there > [1:03:46 PM] Camille Baker says: looks like were' starting the video side > [1:04:24 PM] aether9 says: should we be watching somebody's video feed? > [1:04:45 PM] fe2cruz says: no video feed for us, we are part of the multi/chat > [1:04:53 PM] Camille Baker says: you can't - just hold on - did you ahve > chance to read the intro > [1:04:59 PM] Remote Control Monkey says: Hi Manuel, we have a separate chat > going on that Camille will be monitoring - more info above in the long text > area. > [1:05:18 PM] Camille Baker says: maybe if you just came on now you can read it > [1:05:25 PM] Camille Baker says: I can repost if need be > [1:05:42 PM] aether9 says: ok i'm reading.. > [1:06:42 PM] Camille Baker says: let me know if I need to repost - we're > introducing ourselves > [1:06:52 PM] Camille Baker says: so maybe we can do that here as well > [1:08:02 PM] VJ Theory says: yes. that would be a good idea. will you guys > like to introduce yourselves too? > [1:08:09 PM] Camille Baker says: yes > [1:08:36 PM] Camille Baker says: So how about you folks go first - as I'm > multi-tasking her > [1:08:38 PM] Camille Baker says: here > [1:08:42 PM] Remote Control Monkey says: I (Lucy HG from the League of > Imaginary Scientists - based in LA) contributed text to the VJ Theory book and > have been thinking about my own and others' realtime practice. > > The various text participants in this chat collaborated on a realtime > interactive narrative entitled "Aether" (http://1904.cc/aether/) in early May. > In all, there are nine artists or collaborative groups located around the > globe. Since our live performance - the 9 remote performers have continued our > discussion on the development of realtime and interactive narratives. This > first project was presented at the Mapping Festival in Geneva. The other > participants will introduce themselves... > [1:09:35 PM] fe2cruz says: Christiaan Cruz - creative peer participant from > Southern California. Also a contributor to the "Aether" project > [1:10:40 PM] aether9 says: Manuel Schmalstieg - project coordinator of > "Aether" project and chairman of N3krozoft Media Group. > [1:11:32 PM] Camille Baker says: I'm Camille and I run a media org called The > Escape Artists > [1:11:59 PM] Camille Baker says: and am a PhD student at the University of > East London by distance > [1:12:25 PM] Camille Baker says: and working on a project involving live VJing > using / on mobile phones > [1:13:14 PM] Camille Baker says: Manuel can you say more about N3krozoft Media > Group > [1:13:56 PM] Camille Baker says: Ana is talking about the history of VJ Theory > and the book > [1:14:45 PM] Camille Baker says: hello? > [1:15:00 PM] VJ Theory says: carry on camille > [1:15:35 PM] aether9 says: N3krozoft LTD = Retrofuturistic Media Conglomerat. > Tag line: Security through Obscurity. Related URLs: www.n3krozoft.com > www.x-xx---x.info > www.1904.cc > [1:16:03 PM] Camille Baker says: Can people perhaps tell us about their > interests in VJ Theory while Ana introduces projects to the video group > [1:16:09 PM] Camille Baker says: thanks Manuel > [1:17:54 PM] Camille Baker says: text people - what's up? > [1:18:24 PM] Camille Baker says: Lucy, Patricia are you still there? > [1:18:52 PM] Remote Control Monkey says: My (Lucy/The League of Imaginary > Scientists) interest in VJ Theory stems from the desire to find meaning in > interactive technology - so that the technology does not overwhelm but > facilitates a narrative or idea. In order to do this successfully, I think the > media developments must be well considered, and it seems that VJ Theory is a > forum for doing this. > [1:19:51 PM] aether9 says: Mostly we (n3kr.ltd) are interested in re-analyzing > our daily media practices through a historical / analytical (and therefore > also theoretical) angle - see Dead Media Project as an example of such > approach. > [1:20:45 PM] fe2cruz says: Events like this one, the book, and the evolving > dialogue make for a great opportunity to develop this new community > [1:22:08 PM] Camille Baker says: excellent > [1:22:16 PM] Remote Control Monkey says: Lucy/the League - Some more info on > the League - the League of Imaginary Scientists (www.imaginaryscience.org) > brings together artists, technologists, and scientists to perform various > sci/tech "experiments." The Aether project coordinated by N3krozoft fit well > into the League's practice, as this narrative borrowed from mythology, > science, and technology, to construct a layered narrative carried out > collectively in 9 video streams. Aether's role in Greek mythology, ether as a > gas, and the ethernet became themes in the broader narrative. The theory > behind our interactive involvement, I think, is quite tied to this idea of > experimentation and (almost) organic development. > [1:22:47 PM] fe2cruz says: Chats streaming and conferencing on an > international level is very exciting. > [1:23:32 PM] Remote Control Monkey says: Lucy - yes, as is the whole process > of a community-based narrative, or visual development > [1:23:43 PM] fe2cruz says: Connectivity, performance, interaction? > [1:23:52 PM] Camille Baker says: Can people perhaps tell us about their > interests in the VJ Theory community > [1:24:00 PM] Camille Baker says: and project > [1:24:54 PM] fe2cruz says: The community is a tremendous resource... > [1:26:03 PM] fe2cruz says: It keeps practitioners involved and connected. > [1:26:47 PM] Remote Control Monkey says: The VJ Theory project > (http://www.vjtheory.net/) pushed me to interview and start a discussion with > various media artists about their thoughts on their own process and projects. > I found that the artists perhaps had not been asked to consider the > philosophical/theoretical implications of interactivity, and the discussion > made us all think more carefully about how and when to implement various > technologies... > [1:27:08 PM] fe2cruz says: It enables a rapid development similar to the > accelerated growth of other internet phenomena like p2p. > [1:28:33 PM] Remote Control Monkey says: Doesn't it also make perfect sense > that digital artists be connected through digital means - thus, an > online/chat/video community? > [1:29:56 PM] aether9 says: personal interpretation: VJ theory -> link between > two concepts, the total(itarian) seductivity of the realtime control of media > - call it the hype aspect of the vj community - which is at the same time > transporting a form of amorality (hedonism - links to techno culture / fashion > / datadandysm / using the most powerful/ state-of-the-art/ expensive hardware > / processor intensive software) - a counterside could be the theoretical/ > analytical point of view (being conscious of the ephemeric state of the > medium, the short lifespan of hardware, the possibilities of alternative/ > non-digital low-fi technology, awareness of the fact of walking along the > footsteps of moholy-nagy, athanasius kirchner, dandy warhole, n.j. paik, > netochka nezvanova and other pragmatic visionaries)... > [1:33:04 PM] fe2cruz says: I'm very happy that Foucault and Deleuze are > refenced > [1:33:11 PM] Remote Control Monkey says: (Lucy/League) yes - many interesting > dualities, control/chaos, techno/organic - the idea of technological distance > and creative or communicative intimacy conflated > [1:36:58 PM] Remote Control Monkey says: (Lucy/League) regarding hedonism, > there is also the strange parallel of creative interactive technology and > current remote war practice/mentality - the political and emotional distance > though we are technologically close > [1:37:00 PM] Camille Baker says: i'm intersted in what you are discussing > around being conscious of the ephemeric > [1:37:30 PM] Camille Baker says: and the ideas of technological distance and > creative or communicative intimacy conflated > [1:38:55 PM] Camille Baker says: but my brain is split in this setting > [1:39:41 PM] Camille Baker says: Julie here is saying that there are very few > VJ artists in the world and without this technology we wouldn't othewise meet > [1:40:13 PM] Camille Baker says: Brendan is talking about the democratization > of technologies now enabling artists > [1:41:09 PM] fe2cruz says: (Christiaan) using the digital method also uses > less resources > [1:41:17 PM] Camille Baker says: yes > [1:41:44 PM] Remote Control Monkey says: personally (Lucy), I find interactive > narrative - collaboration with others through realtime interaction - much more > rewarding than live performance without that additional layer - the lack of > control and the ephemeral nature of the interactive collaboration is somehow > more... > [1:42:01 PM] fe2cruz says: (Christiaan) Its amazing once you use these and > similar resources how fast your process will change. > [1:42:09 PM] Camille Baker says: interesting - I'm interested in how we can > facilitate both > [1:42:26 PM] Camille Baker says: that was referencing lucy > [1:42:48 PM] Remote Control Monkey says: certainly a more democratic process, > right? no one entitly can control a nine-party remote collaboration! > [1:43:47 PM] Camille Baker says: right and since i'm intersted in collective > consciousness - what about even more than 9? > [1:44:05 PM] fe2cruz says: (Christiaan) Chance, interplay, the more layers the > better > [1:44:39 PM] Camille Baker says: yes layers and more layers - but layers > implies being on top of but I'm intersted in intermingling > [1:45:01 PM] Camille Baker says: I'm pulling us off in another direction > however > [1:45:08 PM] Remote Control Monkey says: entwine > [1:45:17 PM] fe2cruz says: (Christiaan) well for aether 9 boxes just looks the > best, but with digital communities we get the extended dialog after the > performance > [1:45:29 PM] Camille Baker says: Ana is asking about how people waht ot > contribute and collaborate via VJ THEORY > [1:45:52 PM] Camille Baker says: (entwine is nice) > [1:46:18 PM] Camille Baker says: or how can they make their website more open > and go beyond text > [1:46:27 PM] aether9 says: another interesting project in the realtime visual > collaboration field is "upstage". it uses the concept of intermingled layers > rather than the grid structure of "aether" > [1:46:28 PM] Remote Control Monkey says: (Lucy) these discussions are ideal - > pushing me to really consider the reasons for implementing the interactivity > [1:46:54 PM] fe2cruz says: (Christiaan) yes beyond text, because its limited > [1:47:21 PM] aether9 says: a proposal for vj theory website: there needs to be > a new generation of wikis... > [1:47:44 PM] Camille Baker says: ok I'll pass that on > [1:48:00 PM] fe2cruz says: (Christiaan) even in its early experimental stages > aether managed to accomplish a great deal with just 9 boxes of images > [1:48:16 PM] aether9 says: ... wikis where users can input text and images, > which are then rearranged in a layered, dense but still logical way. > [1:48:20 PM] Remote Control Monkey says: (Lucy) Ironically, I find myspace and > online communities really oppressive, yet I value connecting up, as in this > (almost old-school telegraph/type) format > [1:48:35 PM] Camille Baker says: ok they are trying to address this > [1:48:38 PM] Camille Baker says: ... > [1:49:14 PM] Camille Baker says: they are saying that that's similar to what > they are doing around collaborative writing > [1:50:26 PM] Remote Control Monkey says: what is this process of collaborative > writing - is it like this chat? or more formal - as in passing text back and > forth... > [1:51:05 PM] Camille Baker says: and then it becomes a multi-text rather than > collaborative - which is what they want and Julie is asking if they have foudn > any open source software > [1:51:10 PM] Camille Baker says: that they can use > [1:51:57 PM] Camille Baker says: but they have found nothing at the moment > [1:52:06 PM] aether9 says: they / they (please more specific)... > [1:52:11 PM] Camille Baker says: they want to pay someone to help out with > that > [1:52:12 PM] Remote Control Monkey says: strangely, final draft for > screenwriting I believe allows collective authorship - it references which > authors update/edit and when - but I wonder if this defeats the purpose...by > giving "credit" > [1:52:37 PM] Remote Control Monkey says: (They must be Ana and Brendan) > [1:52:47 PM] fe2cruz says: Yes, I used to share scripts with lots of autors > using the many screenwriting programs > [1:53:06 PM] Camille Baker says: yes they is Ana and Brendan > [1:54:08 PM] fe2cruz says: community text limited to exchange: BBS mailing > lists SMS IRC... > [1:54:22 PM] Camille Baker says: yes > [1:54:46 PM] fe2cruz says: You can't name an author > [1:54:58 PM] fe2cruz says: Its the community > [1:55:06 PM] aether9 says: SubEthaEdit is advertised as "the world's best text > collaboration engine"... but it's commercialware. > [1:55:24 PM] Remote Control Monkey says: any historical references to > collective authorship? screenplay yes, also theology texts in general...oral > histories - collective authorship based in internet stemming back to oral > narratives > [1:55:55 PM] Camille Baker says: i think Brendan is concerned about making > sure there's academic rigour balanced with artistic practice in the > collaborative wokr - is that correct Brendan? > [1:56:20 PM] Camille Baker says: he says yes > [1:56:26 PM] Remote Control Monkey says: (Lucy) and that the collaborative > writing will drive more theory-integrated practice? > [1:56:33 PM] Camille Baker says: he hates the term academic rigour > [1:56:39 PM] VJ Theory says: nos as such and also I hate the sentence > 'academic rigour' > [1:56:52 PM] VJ Theory says: and analyze and question it > [1:56:54 PM] Camille Baker says: and he thinks we need to take these > traditions and analyze them and ... > [1:57:48 PM] Camille Baker says: sorry trying to listen - carry on Lucy > [1:58:46 PM] fe2cruz says: Stories need listeners and the best story tellers > are the best listeners. Why not make everyone tell the story > [2:01:47 PM] Remote Control Monkey says: open writing - very much like open > source - a reference to Sergei Tret?iakov, Russian writer who died in Stalin?s > purges - his manifesto called for the ?deindividualization and > deprofessionalization of the writer.? He thought of a literary assembly line > with teams of authors, much like early efforts to create the encyclopedia > [2:03:05 PM] Camille Baker says: so I want to bring this back to VJ practice > and how it relates specifically to how we can contribute to VJ Theory and > collabrating in non-textal ways as well > [2:03:26 PM] Camille Baker says: Brendan is discussing the concern about the > commodification of the VJ > [2:03:40 PM] Camille Baker says: and how we can analyze this development > [2:06:16 PM] Remote Control Monkey says: as in - taking the brand name out of > it? deindividualization... > [2:08:18 PM] Camille Baker says: no like exploiting VJs > [2:08:25 PM] Camille Baker says: and their work for coke ads > [2:10:10 PM] Camille Baker says: so one idea for collaborative project might > be to create a video and post it and then it gets re-edited and reposted and > reinterpreted and then keep in goign in an on-going remix and another idea was > like an exquisite corpse > [2:10:30 PM] Camille Baker says: so something gets added on the end of each > version > [2:10:40 PM] aether9 says: if an artwork can be exploited for a coke ad, the > artwork is maybe more to blame than coke. > [2:10:44 PM] aether9 says: ... > [2:10:56 PM] aether9 says: i come back to the storytelling term... the story > can be an ingredient, but one of the core principles of vjing is that there > cannot be a linear flow, the story (if there is any) will inevitably be > fragmented, shattered, elements will repeat endlessly while other sequences > pass by in a flash - the story will be on the verge of intelligibility. so we > could question the fact if vjs can be indeed called storytellers, maybe rather > storybenders, storyscratchers or storyfragmenters... > [2:11:29 PM] fe2cruz says: "like and exquisite corpse" or just like a bohm > dialog image after image, video after video > [2:12:02 PM] Camille Baker says: no like exquistite corpse > [2:12:10 PM] aether9 says: this is one of the points the Aether9 project > searches the develop, looking for practicable ways of communicating a > structured content through a form that is improvisational, open and > unpredictable. > [2:13:29 PM] Camille Baker says: sure could be image after image or video > after image after sound etc > [2:13:43 PM] Camille Baker says: ya its a good idea > [2:14:03 PM] Camille Baker says: (responding to the last post) > [2:14:26 PM] Remote Control Monkey says: (Lucy) every creative culture runs > the risk of exploitation - I agree with Manuel that to some extent we can > control what companies co-opt, and that the corporatization of the original > idea is what pushes artists to do something else, always. > [2:14:59 PM] Camille Baker says: true > [2:15:30 PM] fe2cruz says: Hopefully the community is moving so rapidly we > will have already passed the project that has been exploited by the masses > [2:15:32 PM] Camille Baker says: a question was asked also about what happens > when a video for remix goes out to the community what happens then > [2:16:11 PM] Camille Baker says: and what happens in comunities - should they > be closed or open > [2:16:29 PM] Camille Baker says: then there are issues about how artists feel > about copyright? > [2:16:48 PM] Camille Baker says: do they feel "ownership" of their piece > [2:17:30 PM] fe2cruz says: For my own work, it would be an honor to get > remixed by a community > [2:18:08 PM] Remote Control Monkey says: (Lucy) even our aether collaboration, > as this chat, was by invitation only - collective collaboration that is > filtered - and, likely better, though less egalitarian, as a result... > [2:18:41 PM] Camille Baker says: Julie is also saying that the first thing is > also to try to let people even know about this form of art as art not just eye > candy > [2:18:53 PM] Camille Baker says: so outreach is important > [2:19:02 PM] Remote Control Monkey says: "better" - I know, dangerous to use > that word, like "rigor" > [2:19:17 PM] fe2cruz says: (Christiaan) Much like software it is very easy to > put a creative commons license to the media you share digitally > [2:19:17 PM] aether9 says: Lucy, it was a quite "random" type of > invitation.... > [2:20:06 PM] Camille Baker says: to create community and people shouldn't feel > compelled to hold onto something - their wokr in a community or have ownership > in a collaborative project as oppsed to a book where owndership might be more > important > [2:20:20 PM] Remote Control Monkey says: (Lucy) regarding Aether, I may be > wrong - not so filtered, you think? > [2:21:27 PM] fe2cruz says: well filtered in the performative aspect of a > limited number of boxes, but in the project as a whole very open. There were > many bodies involved outisde of those 9 squares > [2:21:34 PM] Remote Control Monkey says: so big question, with collective > authorship of texts and creative collaborations, we all still identify our > roles in the creative process - so the participation still comes down to the > individual credit? > [2:24:43 PM] aether9 says: one comment: about the whole cadavre-exquise / > remixology / creativity by the community - thing... everybody who tried it > knows about the possibility of creating something fascinating but also the > danger of creating something uttelry boring (because the personal obsessions > and neuroses of one creative individual are lacking)... democracy being a > double-sided sword in the field of art > [2:25:02 PM] Camille Baker says: Brendan says there no issues about community > restriction - from his anarchist background > [2:26:30 PM] Camille Baker says: a question here was if VJ Theory have made a > connection to fax art, mail art etc > [2:26:49 PM] Remote Control Monkey says: a scientific aside: in the last ten > years neuroscience studies (brain imaging/recording of brain activity) > indicate that human beings - women in particular - are wired to collaborate. > When given tasks that involve collaborative efforts, the human brain activates > reward centers. In effect, neurotransmitters in the brain reward us with > pleasure for ?working well with others.? > [2:28:12 PM] Camille Baker says: interesting Lucy - we shoudl talk offline or > separate as we have similar interests it seems > [2:29:37 PM] Camille Baker says: Julie asks when someone does visual > performance, why is it that video is secondary to the music - whereas in > single channel video (video art) music is secondary > [2:30:30 PM] Camille Baker says: Brendan say that is changing as some artists > are exploring the reverse in the UK but mostly it is the opposite > [2:32:34 PM] Camille Baker says: ana is giving some interesting examples of te > VJ artists putting temselves more into the visuals and the music being > secondary but also mentioning that at the a VJ festival there were still > musicians on stage but the VJ's in the background > [2:33:14 PM] Camille Baker says: and this is a problem that needs to be > addressed but organizers either don't notice it as a problem or haven't > figured out how to address it > [2:34:26 PM] fe2cruz says: (Christiaan) There are celebrity VJs > [2:34:43 PM] Camille Baker says: but they still sit in the back > [2:35:16 PM] fe2cruz says: and hardly ever lit with a spotlight > [2:35:20 PM] thom_edison says: you can dance to dj's, not vj's, and the vj's > usually perform alongside vj's. > [2:35:26 PM] Camille Baker says: Brendan is talkign about Ana doing someting > on the website about the role of the VJ as performer and how to put them in > the forefront (is that correect Ana)? > [2:35:30 PM] Remote Control Monkey says: (Lucy) VJ performance in "new music" > - as in contemporary classical - also has a long history (since late 60s) - > current performances that come to mind include the Kronos Quartet. In these, > the video often is quite integrated into the performance, with a pier > relationship between image and sound - perhaps because the music video > relationship is not established for that genre > [2:36:04 PM] Camille Baker says: good example - but not the norm? > [2:36:46 PM] Camille Baker says: Ana is talkign about how they attended the > Mapping Festival in Geneva recently > [2:36:49 PM] VJ Theory says: yes camille.that's it. > [2:36:53 PM] thom_edison says: if vj's aren't performing in the context of > dance parties, where they will always remain in the dark, i don't quite > understand why the word "vj" is still used. > [2:37:10 PM] VJ Theory says: sorry I can't folow both chats at the same time. > [2:37:19 PM] VJ Theory says: I'm trying though > [2:37:29 PM] Camille Baker says: right so that's perhaps the point- take VJs > out of the party environment and find ways to highlight their work > [2:37:35 PM] Remote Control Monkey says: The Aether project premiered at the > Mapping Festival in Geneva... > [2:37:58 PM] Camille Baker says: my question is if you take away the music but > keep the liveness is it no longer VJING? > [2:38:03 PM] VJ Theory says: thom, that is a definition rather broad that one > of the VJ > [2:39:01 PM] Camille Baker says: well Julie and other use other terms - like > visual performers, live cinema > [2:39:40 PM] fe2cruz says: (Christiaan) yes most other practitioners do use > other terms > [2:39:45 PM] Camille Baker says: or performance video > [2:39:53 PM] aether9 says: vj has simply the advantage of being easy to > pronounce... > [2:40:03 PM] Remote Control Monkey says: (Lucy) definitions can be > restrictive, and have strong underlying connotations - VJ conjures something > very different from live cinema - which seems more narrative based > [2:40:05 PM] Camille Baker says: or easily recognized > [2:40:21 PM] Camille Baker says: understood generally > [2:41:13 PM] Camille Baker says: not all cinema is narrative however > [2:41:16 PM] Remote Control Monkey says: though also references a specific > scene/movement > [2:41:20 PM] fe2cruz says: (Christiaan) easier to bring kids to a vj festival > than a visual live perfomative cinema showcase > [2:41:32 PM] Camille Baker says: true > [2:41:43 PM] Remote Control Monkey says: (Lucy) and much more difficult to > bring your grandma to a vj festival than a live cinema showcase > [2:42:30 PM] fe2cruz says: but my grandma loved everthing i did not matter > what it was called > [2:43:14 PM] Camille Baker says: any more questions - we're about to fold > otherwise > [2:44:42 PM] fe2cruz says: (Christiaan) any last new announcements or > developments from the Vjtheory.net project? > [2:46:17 PM] Camille Baker says: no they are just saying that the Rhizome > commission will announce the software (?) or other work form VJ THeory soon > [2:46:35 PM] fe2cruz says: great! > [2:46:59 PM] Camille Baker says: Topher wanted to know how they might do > fundraising and perhasp the VJ community could donate to Vj Theory > [2:47:01 PM] VJ Theory says: please look at Rhizome's call for commisions to > know more about our proposal > [2:47:31 PM] Camille Baker says: and Brendan and Ana were reticent to ask for > donations > [2:48:22 PM] Camille Baker says: how do you want ot end / or continue this > after today but also right now > [2:49:08 PM] Camille Baker says: Ana wants to ask us in Vancouver and LA to > get back to them with ideas and project and new ways of participating > [2:49:09 PM] aether9 says: it's getting late here so i'm folding too. it was a > pleasure to attend this discussion and i'll be looking for news on vj theory > site. also more aether9 performances are upcoming - news will be posted on > 1904.cc/aether ... bye. > [2:49:28 PM] Camille Baker says: including us just chatting amonst ourselves > but also contributing to the website > [2:49:31 PM] Camille Baker says: and book > [2:49:44 PM] fe2cruz says: We sould say our thanks first to everyone involved > and then discuss how to continue > [2:49:47 PM] Camille Baker says: and if I am up for it (camille) if I can make > the chat available > [2:49:51 PM] Camille Baker says: yes I will > [2:50:04 PM] Remote Control Monkey says: Thanks! - Lucy/the League - looking > forward to extended conversation... > [2:50:05 PM] Camille Baker says: and Ana will try follow up on the comments > [2:50:19 PM] Camille Baker says: and if everyone can provide their emails > [2:50:23 PM] thom_edison says: thank you & good bye to all from brussels > [2:50:27 PM] Camille Baker says: so she can follwo up with you all > [2:50:44 PM] fe2cruz says: perfect christiaan.cruz at [nospam] gmail.com > [2:50:48 PM] Camille Baker says: magda wants to continue chats online > [2:51:23 PM] Remote Control Monkey says: you can post to the aether list and > email everyone at once by mailing to aether at [nospam] 1904.cc > [2:52:18 PM] fe2cruz says: have a good night boris, manuel > [2:52:37 PM] Camille Baker says: good night/ afternoon all ! > [2:53:00 PM] VJ Theory says: Thanks to all of you that participated on the > text chat > [2:53:05 PM] fe2cruz says: its midnight over there > [2:53:16 PM] VJ Theory says: sorry we couldn't follow as clsely as we would > like > [2:53:37 PM] VJ Theory says: hope we do a few more of these chats at some > point soon > [2:53:58 PM] Camille Baker says: Topher wants to continue sometihng here in > terms of creating an on-going discussion - starting now > [2:54:01 PM] fe2cruz says: yes, more chats would be great. looking forward to > it > [2:54:21 PM] fe2cruz says: and of course whatever dialog we can create now > [2:54:30 PM] Camille Baker says: that we can share with you all later > [2:55:07 PM] cym says: goodnight > [2:55:19 PM] VJ Theory says: bye everyone. > [2:55:22 PM] fe2cruz says: night cym > [2:55:33 PM] VJ Theory says: send us postcards! > [2:55:34 PM] fe2cruz says: bye brendan & ana > [2:55:44 PM] Camille Baker says: bye > [2:55:55 PM] VJ Theory says: thank you so much camille > [2:56:08 PM] VJ Theory says: for moderating the chat > [2:56:41 PM] Camille Baker says: no worries - I hope it was what you hoped > [2:56:52 PM] VJ Theory says: it was really good > [2:57:01 PM] VJ Theory says: we ended up loosing mos of it > [2:57:06 PM] VJ Theory says: most of it I mean > [2:57:20 PM] VJ Theory says: would you please send us the whole chat? > [2:57:25 PM] Camille Baker says: that's ok - I'll send you the transcript - > maybe it was good that i typed a lot of it out > [2:57:31 PM] VJ Theory says: that is, if you have it. of course. > [2:57:35 PM] Camille Baker says: yes I will > [2:57:45 PM] VJ Theory says: it definitivelly was. > [2:57:52 PM] fe2cruz says: i can email you all the whole text after we finish > [2:58:03 PM] VJ Theory says: yes, that would be great > [2:58:18 PM] fe2cruz says: my skype has the whole chat logged > [2:58:19 PM] VJ Theory says: i'm going to leave the chat now. > [2:58:27 PM] Camille Baker says: can you wait til later though ? > [2:58:37 PM] Camille Baker says: the conversation is continuing here > [2:58:46 PM] fe2cruz says: yes once everything is done > [2:58:53 PM] VJ Theory says: shall we saty for a bit longer then? > [2:59:02 PM] VJ Theory says: stay > [2:59:08 PM] Camille Baker says: ok thanks everyone > [2:59:32 PM] Camille Baker says: no that's ok - its late for you - I'll try > write what we talka botu here as well > [2:59:38 PM] Camille Baker says: about > [3:05:19 PM] fe2cruz says: camille, were you still going to continue? > [3:10:45 PM] Camille Baker says: i'm here but i was talkign sorry > [3:11:24 PM] fe2cruz says: oh thats ok, i'll be here its still early > [3:12:21 PM] Camille Baker says: we're continuing "off-line" - we're talking > about baRRIER TO BUILDING COMMNITY (oops sorry about the caps) > [3:12:47 PM] Camille Baker says: like academic versus party vj, versus artist > [3:13:10 PM] fe2cruz says: thats ok take your time, > [3:13:57 PM] Camille Baker says: or other perceived barriers to connecting - > just like the barrier of what the VJ name > [3:14:27 PM] Camille Baker says: what is VJ culture - is it a unified culture > or cliques > [3:15:45 PM] Camille Baker says: so that's what we're talking about > [3:17:06 PM] Camille Baker says: Topher has a project to prosed to the > community: > [3:17:26 PM] Camille Baker says: he invites anyone who has time or interest > but its a short time frame > [3:17:37 PM] Camille Baker says: he's interests in unsual spaces > [3:18:00 PM] Camille Baker says: first one on the Seawall in Vancouver > [3:20:29 PM] Camille Baker says: and wants to project onto some sculptures on > the beach adn peopel are invited to bring lights - they are bringing their own > power genrator and its only for 30 minutes and braodcast on a radio - > transmitted by FM and on theme of HUman Powered transportation - June 16th > [3:21:17 PM] Camille Baker says: Julie sugested he contact an org called > pedalpower.org > [3:22:52 PM] fe2cruz says: oh yes the clowns they are fantastic at human > energy > [3:24:01 PM] Camille Baker says: Andrew is curious about what tools are > missing for VJ's, in terms of software, as he is interested in creating tools > as a software designer > [3:24:51 PM] Camille Baker says: and asking everyone to let him know as he > interested in how to to assist vjs in their process > [3:24:58 PM] fe2cruz says: open source browser based everything is what we all > want > [3:26:07 PM] Camille Baker says: like having little clips of everthing on the > desktop just cycling through or what? > [3:26:27 PM] Camille Baker says: Topher is intersted in meta-data or > semi-automatic VJing > [3:26:44 PM] fe2cruz says: like an actual vj mixing and editing software > browser based so you could use any machine anywhere and do your work > [3:26:57 PM] Camille Baker says: ok hold on I'll tell him > [3:27:08 PM] fe2cruz says: visitorsstudio kinda does it on a small scael > [3:27:24 PM] Camille Baker says: ok everyone want that here > [3:28:34 PM] Camille Baker says: yes so I know about that and told them more > [3:29:27 PM] fe2cruz says: i think the link is www.furtherstudio.org > [3:29:50 PM] fe2cruz says: really simple small falls only > [3:31:52 PM] Camille Baker says: ya I sorted it out here - its actually at/ > through http gallery / www.furtherfield.org somehow organized by Marc Garrett > and Ruth Catlow > [3:32:51 PM] Camille Baker says: ya i told Andrew to check it out nad h wants > to do something... he's a really talented programmer (fyi) > [3:33:04 PM] fe2cruz says: yeah its fun stuff, i hope they keep it growing > [3:34:16 PM] Camille Baker says: me too > [3:34:32 PM] Camille Baker says: I shoudl go now though... > [3:35:53 PM] fe2cruz says: tjats ok whats your email? > [3:36:03 PM] Camille Baker says: camib at telus.net > [3:36:45 PM] Camille Baker says: Thanks Christian > [3:36:51 PM] Camille Baker says: what's yours > [3:36:53 PM] fe2cruz says: i'll get this txt file to your email > [3:37:01 PM] Camille Baker says: ok > [3:37:10 PM] fe2cruz says: christiaan.cruz at [nospam] gmail.com > [3:38:16 PM] Camille Baker says: cool thanks - chat again soon! > [3:38:25 PM] fe2cruz says: great thank you bye > [3:38:31 PM] Camille Baker says: bye :) > From camib at telus.net Sun May 27 02:28:33 2007 From: camib at telus.net (Camille) Date: Sat, 26 May 2007 17:28:33 -0700 Subject: [aether] All of the TEAS/ VIVO /VJTheory.net skype chat logs In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Hey again Attached are the Skype archives ? in html format I can upload them somewhere as well people want.... 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URL: http://lists.1904.cc/pipermail/aether/attachments/20070526/e772c4a7/attachment.html From fougeras_nathalie at [nospam] yahoo.fr Sun May 27 18:15:53 2007 From: fougeras_nathalie at [nospam] yahoo.fr (fougeras nathalie) Date: Sun, 27 May 2007 18:15:53 +0200 (CEST) Subject: [aether] RE : aether Digest, Vol 1, Issue 19 In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <429586.56089.qm {a+} web26615.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> Hi all, thanks for your information You can download my short text about Aether : http://nathaliefougeras.org/documents/less_me.pdf (I'm thinking to translate in english :)) So I wish you a well skype exchanges for tonight.. hope to read the chat later cheers Nathalie > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 2 > Date: Sat, 26 May 2007 13:13:46 +0200 > From: bk > Subject: [aether] melt bananas > To: //// collaborative networked performance //// > > Message-ID: <4658166A.2020904 at [nospam] n3krozoft.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; > format=flowed > > > ogg is a a free (stream oriented) multimedia > container format, i guess > it refers to the word "egg" that contains embryos. > Other examples of container formats are Quicktime > .mov, the MPEG program > stream, and AVI. > See the official webpage at http://www.xiph.org/ogg/ > and > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ogg > > boris > _____________________________________________________________________________ Ne gardez plus qu'une seule adresse mail ! Copiez vos mails vers Yahoo! Mail From vjtheory at [nospam] yahoo.co.uk Sun May 27 17:52:00 2007 From: vjtheory at [nospam] yahoo.co.uk (VJ Theory) Date: Sun, 27 May 2007 16:52:00 +0100 (BST) Subject: [aether] All of the TEAS/ VIVO /VJTheory.net skype chat logs In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <323366.79026.qm {a+} web25219.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> Hello everyone, A brief mail: Thanks for joining the video and text chats. We added the text chat to the website. Here is the link: http://www.vjtheory.net/teas-textchat-26-05-2007.htm Thanks again to Camille for the moderating the text chat and all multi tasking. We will get back to you very soon. All the best, Ana and Brendan Camille wrote:All of the TEAS/ VIVO /VJTheory.net skype chat logs Hey again Attached are the Skype archives ? in html format I can upload them somewhere as well people want.... Camille :. 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URL: http://lists.1904.cc/pipermail/aether/attachments/20070527/74caa23f/attachment.html From lauredinateur at [nospam] yahoo.de Mon May 28 12:56:30 2007 From: lauredinateur at [nospam] yahoo.de (laure deselys) Date: Mon, 28 May 2007 12:56:30 +0200 (CEST) Subject: [aether] you say In-Reply-To: <429586.56089.qm {a+} web26615.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <783078.28061.qm {a+} web26714.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> You say either and I say eyether,?You say neither and I say nyther;?Either, eyether, neether, nyther,?Let's call the whole thing off! --- fougeras nathalie schrieb: > Hi all, > > thanks for your information > You can download my short text about Aether : > http://nathaliefougeras.org/documents/less_me.pdf > (I'm thinking to translate in english :)) > > So I wish you a well skype exchanges for tonight.. > hope to read the chat later > > cheers > Nathalie > > > > > ------------------------------ > > > > Message: 2 > > Date: Sat, 26 May 2007 13:13:46 +0200 > > From: bk > > Subject: [aether] melt bananas > > To: //// collaborative networked performance //// > > > > Message-ID: <4658166A.2020904 at [nospam] n3krozoft.com> > > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; > > format=flowed > > > > > > ogg is a a free (stream oriented) multimedia > > container format, i guess > > it refers to the word "egg" that contains embryos. > > Other examples of container formats are Quicktime > > .mov, the MPEG program > > stream, and AVI. > > See the official webpage at > http://www.xiph.org/ogg/ > > and > > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ogg > > > > boris > > > > > > > _____________________________________________________________________________ > > Ne gardez plus qu'une seule adresse mail ! Copiez > vos mails vers Yahoo! Mail > _______________________________________________ > aether mailing list > aether at [nospam] 1904.cc > http://lists.1904.cc/mailman/listinfo/aether > ___________________________________________________________ Der fr?he Vogel f?ngt den Wurm. Hier gelangen Sie zum neuen Yahoo! Mail: http://mail.yahoo.de From fougeras_nathalie at [nospam] yahoo.fr Mon May 28 19:37:45 2007 From: fougeras_nathalie at [nospam] yahoo.fr (fougeras nathalie) Date: Mon, 28 May 2007 19:37:45 +0200 (CEST) Subject: [aether] RE : web-camwoods In-Reply-To: <4659BA87.3080403 {a+} n3krozoft.com> Message-ID: <82826.19747.qm {a+} web26604.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> hi Manuel, Devons nous envoyer en m?me temps nos textes (moi c'est juste un court papier) pour ACM Multimedia 2007 Thom et moi ? Car ce peut ?tre int?ressant d'exposer qu'il y a la voix de deux participants qui ?crivent subjectivement un papier (Thom et moi) en tant que performers..;-) ? Dis nous ? Ci-joint la version anglaise Merci Amiti? Nathalie _____________________________________________________________________________ Ne gardez plus qu'une seule adresse mail ! Copiez vos mails vers Yahoo! Mail -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: less_me_aether.pdf Type: application/pdf Size: 728717 bytes Desc: 1673859017-less_me_aether.pdf Url : http://lists.1904.cc/pipermail/aether/attachments/20070528/4971a40f/attachment.pdf From fougeras_nathalie at [nospam] yahoo.fr Tue May 29 22:33:02 2007 From: fougeras_nathalie at [nospam] yahoo.fr (fougeras nathalie) Date: Tue, 29 May 2007 22:33:02 +0200 (CEST) Subject: [aether] urgent call for submissions "people art" - Seoul In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <20070529203302.36272.qmail {a+} web26611.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> Hello, Do you watch this call for submission for aether group? Title "People art and technology" dead line is near 31may but maybe Manuel you can send a copy/past of last sibscription ACM multimedia In netwok performance, our category : - Live performance with real-time communication, impromptu actions, interactions, audience participation http://www.nabi.or.kr/party2007 cheers Nathalie _____________________________________________________________________________ Ne gardez plus qu'une seule adresse mail ! Copiez vos mails vers Yahoo! Mail From ideacritik at [nospam] yahoo.ca Wed May 30 22:33:42 2007 From: ideacritik at [nospam] yahoo.ca (::audrey::) Date: Wed, 30 May 2007 13:33:42 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [aether] idea 'de retour' Message-ID: <967867.74551.qm {a+} web50204.mail.re2.yahoo.com> hi all, i'm sorry i could not attend the skype vj theory meeting, the accounts were interesting. i was quite ill but i'm on the journey to good health. i'm not sure what boris and manu have planned for brussels but i can almost certainly make it, i even have a potential ride down. is there anything i could partake in? be of service? (perhaps a crazy chat session to moderate? or some last minute html/code to update... ;p ) great work btw for all this documentation on the fly!! i daresay this is a motivated group ;) audrey | ideacritik ps are all the server problems (# of ftp connects) resolved? i have a new provider with 75 ftp accounts/users possible. a potential backup if needed... Le tout nouveau Yahoo! Courriel. 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URL: http://lists.1904.cc/pipermail/aether/attachments/20070530/651dce88/attachment.html From 1.1 [*] 1904.cc Thu May 31 00:25:55 2007 From: 1.1 [*] 1904.cc (1.1 [*] 1904.cc) Date: Thu, 31 May 2007 00:25:55 +0200 Subject: [aether] korea submitted Message-ID: hi list, i just submitted aether to that festival in korea, P.Art.y 2007... the festival is september 14-16, we will know on June 30 if we're in. i won't have time to write a statement and submit for the festival in Sao Paolo - http://www.mobilefest.com.br/blog/?p=126 - but if any of you is motivated please do ... i gave priority to Korea since the topic sounded much closer to our aether concept. of course, if you step on any festival or event into which aether9 could fit, drop a post on this list. news update about brussels is due soon. this dates are already quite certain now: date: June 14th 2007 time: 19:00 in Brussels (= 12:00 in Colombia - 10:00 AM in California) for the max-users among you, a new upload-patch is available. many enhancements. in order to view the other's performers videos, it needs to have the max java objects installed (god knows from where...) test it at heart's content: http://1904.cc/aether/upload_107.zip ps:nathalie, i will link your texts on the aether page as soon as possible. best, manuel From milena.sz at [nospam] gmail.com Thu May 31 06:16:28 2007 From: milena.sz at [nospam] gmail.com (milena sz.) Date: Thu, 31 May 2007 01:16:28 -0300 Subject: [aether] aether materials / brazil / skype discussion In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <6774ef3e0705302116p2f65b01ck9267d673561a83a4 {a+} mail.gmail.com> hi manuel and everybody! i'm trying to read all emails and understand the "aether9 test html interface" in your website project (i'm a little lost here, sorry!), but i'm very happy to participate in this list, because we use to make some live-streaming from streets (mobile webtv) and work with some vj'ing techniques... in these next weeks we hope to put online the new videos on demand and be able to translate all texts in our project website. thanks again for inviting us to this list and i hope to participate in some next collective online-performance or chat with you all! best milena :) On 5/25/07, 1.1 [*] 1904.cc <1.1 [*] 1904.cc> wrote: > dear aethernauts, > > just to let you know, i gathered all current info > and material about aether9 on one convenient > page, here: http://1904.cc/aether/ (linking > films, project statement etc). i updated the > project statement with a few more references. > > the page also includes a list of the current > performers, so please double-check if your self > is represented in an acceptable way. > > AND we have the pleasure to welcome on this list > Milena Sz from Brazil, representing mm n?o ? > confete multimedia art group. > project webpage: http://www.manifesto21.com.br > > the aethernet is expanding... > > PS: regarding the INTERCONTINENTAL SKYPE > DISCUSSION ON VJ THEORY tomorrow, can Dr. Gomez > of the League transmit us the skype ID we have to > contact in order to take part in the discussion?? > > Quick time zone calculation: Vancouver, 1-3 pm = Central European Time 10-12 pm > > best > manuel > _______________________________________________ > aether mailing list > aether at [nospam] 1904.cc > http://lists.1904.cc/mailman/listinfo/aether > From fe2cruz at [nospam] hotmail.com Thu May 31 12:24:48 2007 From: fe2cruz at [nospam] hotmail.com (christiaan cruz) Date: Thu, 31 May 2007 03:24:48 -0700 Subject: [aether] more september submissions due Message-ID: 2 US Sept festival submissions due now. besides the ACM template is there another Aether fact sheet we can use to cut and paste into upcoming online calls like this one? pixilirations is an online submission due fri Jun1 http://studios.brown.edu/~wikis/pixilv4/openconf.php Soundwalk in California would be a great place to showcase Aether with some live audio over the video streams Getting accepted to these 2 and the Korean festival would make a busy September for Aether though, with 3 consecutive performances > Subject: [aether] korea submitted > interface" in your website project (i'm a little lost From 1.1 [*] 1904.cc Thu May 31 14:19:51 2007 From: 1.1 [*] 1904.cc (1.1 [*] 1904.cc) Date: Thu, 31 May 2007 14:19:51 +0200 Subject: [aether] more september submissions due In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: >2 US Sept festival submissions due now. will have a look at that festivals. >Getting accepted to these 2 and the Korean >festival would make a busy September for indeed being accepted everywhere would get us very busy, but we could always try to split up the organisational work among our group, and also get some more performers involved (asia, africa, oceania and the antarctic are still missing!!) >besides the ACM template is there another >Aether fact sheet we can use to cut and paste >into upcoming online calls like this one? there is no factsheet for the moment besides the ACM template, but here is the blurb i wrote for korea, available for plunder & recycling: Project Title: ?ther9 Subtitle: Remote Realtime Storytelling Project URL: http://1904.cc/aether/ Describe type of your work: Collaborative remote performance. Is there previous copyright agreement of the sumitted work: No One Liner: 9 performers - 9 locations - 9 stories - one screen Keywords: Network, video, remote, realtime, performance, storytelling Short description: Initiated in May 2007 during a workshop at the Mapping Festival in Geneva, Switzerland, ?ther9 is a collaborative art project exploring the field of realtime video transmission. Developed by an international group of visual artists and collectives working in 9 different locations (dissminated in Europe, North and South America) and communicating solely through the Internet, ?ther9 intends to become a functional framework for collaborative video performance. Making use of available software protocols (extended html, Java, Pure Data and Max/MSP), the system functions as an open platform for participants of any technical level, to transmit imagery in real-time and interact on the background of structured narrative performances questioning the issues of presence/absence, identity and intimacy in the context of the electronic space. Project description/artist statement: http://1904.cc/aether/PARTY_2007/PROJECT_STATEMENT.pdf User Scenario: Users can appreciate the performance in various ways: 1) live, on a place where one of the remote artists performs and where the Aether interface is projected. 2) through the internet, via a standalone viewer application (for the moment mac only). 3) through a multi-platform HTML interface that allows partial control (of framerates, screen setup, etc). Technical description *: The technical concept is quite simple: the 9 participants or groups are performing with various media (acting, objects, live video) following a written script. Images are captured live and uploaded via FTP to a server. The images, refreshed in "realtime" (ca 5 second delay) can be viewed simultaneously in an interface that allows control of some aspects of the video. At the venues where the performance is publicly screened, an operator mixes the different video feeds (through a custom max/msp patch that allows extensive control of the video display). Hardware: webcams, mac and PC computers. Software: max/msp/jitter, pure data, various webcam2FTP software, HTML. Supporting materials: Images and video clips can be found on the project website: http://1904.cc/aether/ You can also download the image galeries as an archive: http://1904.cc/aether/PARTY_2007/gva_070503.zip (1.7 Mb) http://1904.cc/aether/PARTY_2007/gva_alejo.zip (4.8 Mb) ----------- From 1.1 [*] 1904.cc Thu May 31 19:12:38 2007 From: 1.1 [*] 1904.cc (1.1 [*] 1904.cc) Date: Thu, 31 May 2007 19:12:38 +0200 Subject: [aether] idea 'de retour' In-Reply-To: <967867.74551.qm {a+} web50204.mail.re2.yahoo.com> References: <967867.74551.qm {a+} web50204.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Message-ID: > >audrey | ideacritik wrote: > >ps are all the server problems (# of ftp connects) resolved? i have >a new provider with 75 ftp accounts/users possible. a potential >backup if needed... > right now, the project is using the following servers: 1904.cc 10111.org artslashmedia.net aether.front.ru aether.smtp.ru 10111.org and artslashmedia.net should be rock solid (near 100% uptime). 1904.cc is 98.4% uptime, so there's a little risk involved. i didn't test the uptime rate of front.ru and smpt.ru but it's free server space and it's russia so... one more server would certainly be welcome, since this really diminishes the chances of total technical collapse. so please create a user with the name "aether" and the ususal password: ******** (it's practical to use the same user name and password, since this allows the patch to switch easily between the servers) best, manuel