From ideacritik at [nospam] yahoo.ca Tue Feb 5 23:50:12 2008 From: ideacritik at [nospam] yahoo.ca (::audrey::) Date: Tue, 5 Feb 2008 14:50:12 -0800 (PST) Subject: [aether] bruxelles Message-ID: <458485.80402.qm {a+} web50209.mail.re2.yahoo.com> hello gang, i've regained internet access (for the second time yes.... :S ) what is going on for brussels? audrey D?couvrez les styles qui font sensation sur Yahoo! Qu?bec Avatars. http://cf.avatars.yahoo.com/ -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.1904.cc/pipermail/aether/attachments/20080205/9f839c5d/attachment.html From 1.1 [*] 1904.cc Wed Feb 6 01:03:50 2008 From: 1.1 [*] 1904.cc (1.1.1904) Date: Wed, 6 Feb 2008 01:03:50 +0100 Subject: [aether] iMAL performance, Sat 16th Feb Message-ID: hi all, Here are finally some news regarding the upcoming performance at iMAL, Brussels, scheduled for Saturday 16th February, 21h00 CET (GMT+1). Nathalie just posted some materials : http://1904.cc/~aether/CMYK_imal/ Title of the performance: "CMYK" for your information, this refers to "cyan, magenta, yellow, and key (black)" a 4-color technology widely used in print: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/CMYK_color_model The basic script is a scenario in 5 acts (each divided into 4 actions). I'm translating here roughly the informations I received from Nathalie, more details will follow very soon. There will be some method if interactivity through a selection of symbols and keywords. Part of the interface (2 frames) will be text, updated live. There will be a lot of scenic action happening ON-SITE, in Brussels - there will be 3 "stages", each filmed and transmitted to one frame, and 3 performers acting on location. We will need 2 remote performers (please correct me if I'm wrong) We will need one off-voice (Judy?) There will be a soundtrack (live, mixed?) REHEARSAL DATES: Those are the proposed rehearsal dates/ times -- I guess the first "rehearsal" will consist in explaining things to each other and getting familiar with the script.. Thursday, 7th Feb, 15h-17h30 (Brussels time) (Manuel = ok) Friday, 8th Feb, whole day (not in the evening for Nathalie) (Manuel= not possible) Saturday 9th Feb, whole day (Manuel +/- ok) Monday 10th Feb, whole day (Manuel: afternoon/evening) On-site preparations in Brussels: Thursday 14th Feb, whole day Wednesday 15th, until 17h00 Saturday 16th: performance at 21h00 ok, I hope I got everything allright? More infos to follow soon, best, manuel From ciruela at [nospam] une.net.co Wed Feb 6 15:47:13 2008 From: ciruela at [nospam] une.net.co (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?Paula_V=E9lez_Bravo?=) Date: Wed, 06 Feb 2008 09:47:13 -0500 Subject: [aether] iMAL performance, Sat 16th Feb In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <9A388B99-A3FA-411E-965C-10A9DFDCB5F4 {a+} une.net.co> Hi aether! if there is a place for a performer... i'm ready to participate. if you need someone! even for help other way. paula El 5/02/2008, a las 19:03, 1.1.1904 escribi?: > hi all, > > Here are finally some news regarding the upcoming performance at > iMAL, Brussels, scheduled for Saturday 16th February, 21h00 CET > (GMT+1). > > Nathalie just posted some materials : http://1904.cc/~aether/ > CMYK_imal/ > > Title of the performance: "CMYK" > for your information, this refers to "cyan, magenta, yellow, and key > (black)" a 4-color technology widely used in print: > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/CMYK_color_model > > The basic script is a scenario in 5 acts (each divided into 4 > actions). > > I'm translating here roughly the informations I received from > Nathalie, more details will follow very soon. > > There will be some method if interactivity through a selection of > symbols and keywords. Part of the interface (2 frames) will be text, > updated live. > > There will be a lot of scenic action happening ON-SITE, in Brussels - > there will be 3 "stages", each filmed and transmitted to one frame, > and 3 performers acting on location. > > We will need 2 remote performers (please correct me if I'm wrong) > > We will need one off-voice (Judy?) > > There will be a soundtrack (live, mixed?) > > REHEARSAL DATES: > > Those are the proposed rehearsal dates/ times -- I guess the first > "rehearsal" will consist in explaining things to each other and > getting familiar with the script.. > > Thursday, 7th Feb, 15h-17h30 (Brussels time) (Manuel = ok) > Friday, 8th Feb, whole day (not in the evening for Nathalie) > (Manuel= not possible) > Saturday 9th Feb, whole day (Manuel +/- ok) > Monday 10th Feb, whole day (Manuel: afternoon/evening) > > On-site preparations in Brussels: > Thursday 14th Feb, whole day > Wednesday 15th, until 17h00 > Saturday 16th: performance at 21h00 > > ok, I hope I got everything allright? > More infos to follow soon, > best, manuel > > > _______________________________________________ > aether mailing list > aether at [nospam] 1904.cc > http://lists.1904.cc/mailman/listinfo/aether From lauredinateur at [nospam] yahoo.de Wed Feb 6 21:43:30 2008 From: lauredinateur at [nospam] yahoo.de (laure deselys) Date: Wed, 6 Feb 2008 21:43:30 +0100 (CET) Subject: [aether] iMAL performance, Sat 16th Feb In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <528111.31931.qm {a+} web26709.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> hi REHEARSAL DATES: I should be available for all the exposed dates, except for monday afternoon Paula : sure we need you ! see u soon laure Thursday, 7th Feb, 15h-17h30 (Brussels time) (Manuel = oK ) Friday, 8th Feb, whole day (not in the evening for Nathalie) (Manuel= not possible) Saturday 9th Feb, whole day (Manuel +/- ok) Monday 10th Feb, whole day (Manuel: afternoon/evening) --- "1.1.1904" <1.1 [*] 1904.cc> schrieb: > hi all, > > Here are finally some news regarding the upcoming > performance at > iMAL, Brussels, scheduled for Saturday 16th > February, 21h00 CET > (GMT+1). > > Nathalie just posted some materials : > http://1904.cc/~aether/CMYK_imal/ > > Title of the performance: "CMYK" > for your information, this refers to "cyan, magenta, > yellow, and key > (black)" a 4-color technology widely used in print: > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/CMYK_color_model > > The basic script is a scenario in 5 acts (each > divided into 4 actions). > > I'm translating here roughly the informations I > received from > Nathalie, more details will follow very soon. > > There will be some method if interactivity through a > selection of > symbols and keywords. Part of the interface (2 > frames) will be text, > updated live. > > There will be a lot of scenic action happening > ON-SITE, in Brussels - > there will be 3 "stages", each filmed and > transmitted to one frame, > and 3 performers acting on location. > > We will need 2 remote performers (please correct me > if I'm wrong) > > We will need one off-voice (Judy?) > > There will be a soundtrack (live, mixed?) > > REHEARSAL DATES: > > Those are the proposed rehearsal dates/ times -- I > guess the first > "rehearsal" will consist in explaining things to > each other and > getting familiar with the script.. > > Thursday, 7th Feb, 15h-17h30 (Brussels time) (Manuel > = ok) > Friday, 8th Feb, whole day (not in the evening for > Nathalie) > (Manuel= not possible) > Saturday 9th Feb, whole day (Manuel +/- ok) > Monday 10th Feb, whole day (Manuel: > afternoon/evening) > > On-site preparations in Brussels: > Thursday 14th Feb, whole day > Wednesday 15th, until 17h00 > Saturday 16th: performance at 21h00 > > ok, I hope I got everything allright? > More infos to follow soon, > best, manuel > > > _______________________________________________ > aether mailing list > aether at [nospam] 1904.cc > http://lists.1904.cc/mailman/listinfo/aether > Heute schon einen Blick in die Zukunft von E-Mails wagen? www.yahoo.de/mail From 1.1 [*] 1904.cc Thu Feb 7 01:06:14 2008 From: 1.1 [*] 1904.cc (1.1.1904) Date: Thu, 7 Feb 2008 01:06:14 +0100 Subject: [aether] online meeting tomorrow? Message-ID: a reminder to all those involved, a meeting for discussing/preparing the upcoming brussels performance has been proposed. 15h00 Brussels time, which is in ca 14 hours. this session will probably be devoted to get the storyline / concept of the performance clear to everyone, and be more precise on who will play which role. assuming that paula will play one of the remote performer parts, we still need at least one other active remote performer. i just had a skype discussion with nathalie, who answered many questions i had, and for the french speaking among our group it can be useful to read it here: http://1904.cc/~aether/CMYK_imal/cmyk_chat_080206.html there are also a few maps and imagery from the location, just to get an idea: http://1904.cc/~aether/CMYK_imal/imagery/ we agreed that we need to add much more explanations to the script. will send more infos as soon as possible. best, manuel From knickerbockerjuju at [nospam] yahoo.com Thu Feb 7 03:41:26 2008 From: knickerbockerjuju at [nospam] yahoo.com (Judy Nylon) Date: Wed, 6 Feb 2008 18:41:26 -0800 (PST) Subject: [aether] online meeting tomorrow? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <677505.61780.qm {a+} web62305.mail.re1.yahoo.com> Thanks the imagery was helpful to visualize the space. I will be on Skype at 9AM NYC time tomorrow the 7th. I regret that I still have no camera; I at least have sorted out what I want to get and hope to be available for visual performance next month......JUDY "1.1.1904" <1.1 [*] 1904.cc> wrote: a reminder to all those involved, a meeting for discussing/preparing the upcoming brussels performance has been proposed. 15h00 Brussels time, which is in ca 14 hours. this session will probably be devoted to get the storyline / concept of the performance clear to everyone, and be more precise on who will play which role. assuming that paula will play one of the remote performer parts, we still need at least one other active remote performer. i just had a skype discussion with nathalie, who answered many questions i had, and for the french speaking among our group it can be useful to read it here: http://1904.cc/~aether/CMYK_imal/cmyk_chat_080206.html there are also a few maps and imagery from the location, just to get an idea: http://1904.cc/~aether/CMYK_imal/imagery/ we agreed that we need to add much more explanations to the script. will send more infos as soon as possible. best, manuel _______________________________________________ aether mailing list aether at [nospam] 1904.cc http://lists.1904.cc/mailman/listinfo/aether --------------------------------- Never miss a thing. Make Yahoo your homepage. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.1904.cc/pipermail/aether/attachments/20080206/57e550e8/attachment.html From chloecramer at [nospam] gmail.com Thu Feb 7 10:25:24 2008 From: chloecramer at [nospam] gmail.com (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?chlo=E9_cramer?=) Date: Thu, 7 Feb 2008 10:25:24 +0100 Subject: [aether] online meeting tomorrow? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <3d22b5760802070125w6469f241ud5e000d4564b0a11 {a+} mail.gmail.com> Hello If possible, I would like to take part to the performance as a remote performer. I'll be in Maastricht with an actress. But I suppose that the remote frames are going to be Paula and Audrey... so it is up to the possibilities of the moment. Anyway, I am very interested in the script. cheers Chlo? From fougeras_nathalie at [nospam] yahoo.fr Thu Feb 7 11:58:47 2008 From: fougeras_nathalie at [nospam] yahoo.fr (fougeras nathalie) Date: Thu, 7 Feb 2008 11:58:47 +0100 (CET) Subject: [aether] RE : Re: online meeting tomorrow? In-Reply-To: <3d22b5760802070125w6469f241ud5e000d4564b0a11 {a+} mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <560600.35797.qm {a+} web26114.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> Hello Chlo?, hello all, Yes Chlo? I add you see you soon cheers Nathalie chlo? cramer a ?crit : Hello If possible, I would like to take part to the performance as a remote performer. I'll be in Maastricht with an actress. But I suppose that the remote frames are going to be Paula and Audrey... so it is up to the possibilities of the moment. Anyway, I am very interested in the script. cheers Chlo? _______________________________________________ aether mailing list aether at [nospam] 1904.cc http://lists.1904.cc/mailman/listinfo/aether --------------------------------- Ne gardez plus qu'une seule adresse mail ! Copiez vos mails vers Yahoo! Mail -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.1904.cc/pipermail/aether/attachments/20080207/cea1ead5/attachment.html From chloecramer at [nospam] gmail.com Thu Feb 7 12:04:15 2008 From: chloecramer at [nospam] gmail.com (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?chlo=E9_cramer?=) Date: Thu, 7 Feb 2008 12:04:15 +0100 Subject: [aether] RE : Re: online meeting tomorrow? In-Reply-To: <560600.35797.qm {a+} web26114.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> References: <3d22b5760802070125w6469f241ud5e000d4564b0a11 {a+} mail.gmail.com> <560600.35797.qm {a+} web26114.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <3d22b5760802070304v75667069l16004d2401f35f8a {a+} mail.gmail.com> On Feb 7, 2008 11:58 AM, fougeras nathalie wrote: > Hello Chlo?, hello all, > > Yes Chlo? I add you > see you soon > Eh bien oui, il serait temps de se rencontrer! A vite C -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.1904.cc/pipermail/aether/attachments/20080207/824de6fc/attachment.html From ciruela at [nospam] une.net.co Thu Feb 7 13:05:29 2008 From: ciruela at [nospam] une.net.co (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?Paula_V=E9lez_Bravo?=) Date: Thu, 07 Feb 2008 07:05:29 -0500 Subject: [aether] online meeting tomorrow? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <54F4D6BF-0B67-4D30-9720-C475DD88381A {a+} une.net.co> Meet you at 9am Colombian time. I'm reading skype conversation with nathalie to understand better the idea. see you soon. paula From ideacritik at [nospam] yahoo.ca Thu Feb 7 14:59:27 2008 From: ideacritik at [nospam] yahoo.ca (::audrey::) Date: Thu, 7 Feb 2008 05:59:27 -0800 (PST) Subject: [aether] audrey today 15h20+- Message-ID: <233016.81042.qm {a+} web50205.mail.re2.yahoo.com> just catching up with mails and other things should be online ready with you guys around 15h20... today thursday... D?couvrez les photos les plus int?ressantes du jour. http://www.flickr.com/explore/interesting/7days/ -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.1904.cc/pipermail/aether/attachments/20080207/9d6c843c/attachment.html From knickerbockerjuju at [nospam] yahoo.com Thu Feb 7 15:24:20 2008 From: knickerbockerjuju at [nospam] yahoo.com (Judy Nylon) Date: Thu, 7 Feb 2008 06:24:20 -0800 (PST) Subject: [aether] RE : Re: online meeting tomorrow? In-Reply-To: <560600.35797.qm {a+} web26114.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <527473.38796.qm {a+} web62313.mail.re1.yahoo.com> Hi......this meeting is on Skype right? I can't find any confirmation of 'where on line' it is and it is 15:23 but I seem to be alone there except for Cym. What's up? Judy fougeras nathalie wrote: Hello Chlo?, hello all, Yes Chlo? I add you see you soon cheers Nathalie chlo? cramer a ?crit : Hello If possible, I would like to take part to the performance as a remote performer. I'll be in Maastricht with an actress. But I suppose that the remote frames are going to be Paula and Audrey... so it is up to the possibilities of the moment. Anyway, I am very interested in the script. cheers Chlo? _______________________________________________ aether mailing list aether at [nospam] 1904.cc http://lists.1904.cc/mailman/listinfo/aether --------------------------------- Ne gardez plus qu'une seule adresse mail ! Copiez vos mails vers Yahoo! Mail _______________________________________________ aether mailing list aether at [nospam] 1904.cc http://lists.1904.cc/mailman/listinfo/aether --------------------------------- Be a better friend, newshound, and know-it-all with Yahoo! Mobile. Try it now. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.1904.cc/pipermail/aether/attachments/20080207/2492ffc8/attachment.html From ideacritik at [nospam] yahoo.ca Thu Feb 7 15:40:46 2008 From: ideacritik at [nospam] yahoo.ca (::audrey::) Date: Thu, 7 Feb 2008 06:40:46 -0800 (PST) Subject: [aether] Re : RE : Re: online meeting tomorrow? Message-ID: <74168.3724.qm {a+} web50211.mail.re2.yahoo.com> hi judy - we must invite you in teh chat... but i dont have you on my skype list. i'm 'ideacritik' in rotterdam... come on and i'll invite you in. ----- Message initial ---- De : Judy Nylon ? : //// collaborative networked performance //// Envoy? le : jeudi 7 f?vrier 2008, 15 h 24 min 20 s Objet : Re: [aether] RE : Re: online meeting tomorrow? Hi......this meeting is on Skype right? I can't find any confirmation of 'where on line' it is and it is 15:23 but I seem to be alone there except for Cym. What's up? Judy fougeras nathalie wrote: Hello Chlo?, hello all, Yes Chlo? I add you see you soon cheers Nathalie chlo? cramer a ?crit : Hello If possible, I would like to take part to the performance as a remote performer. I'll be in Maastricht with an actress. But I suppose that the remote frames are going to be Paula and Audrey... so it is up to the possibilities of the moment. Anyway, I am very interested in the script. cheers Chlo? _______________________________________________ aether mailing list aether at [nospam] 1904.cc http://lists.1904.cc/mailman/listinfo/aether Ne gardez plus qu'une seule adresse mail ! Copiez vos mails vers Yahoo! Mail _______________________________________________ aether mailing list aether at [nospam] 1904.cc http://lists.1904.cc/mailman/listinfo/aether Be a better friend, newshound, and know-it-all with Yahoo! Mobile. Try it now. -----La pi?ce jointe correspondante suit----- _______________________________________________ aether mailing list aether at [nospam] 1904.cc http://lists.1904.cc/mailman/listinfo/aether Offrez un compte Flickr Pro ? vos amis et ? votre famille. http://www.flickr.com/gift/ -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.1904.cc/pipermail/aether/attachments/20080207/f0c6f28e/attachment.html From ciruela at [nospam] une.net.co Thu Feb 7 15:58:26 2008 From: ciruela at [nospam] une.net.co (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?Paula_V=E9lez_Bravo?=) Date: Thu, 07 Feb 2008 09:58:26 -0500 Subject: [aether] RE : Re: online meeting tomorrow? In-Reply-To: <527473.38796.qm {a+} web62313.mail.re1.yahoo.com> References: <527473.38796.qm {a+} web62313.mail.re1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <4605C615-40AD-4FB1-863A-C4972095F3C1 {a+} une.net.co> judy: we are trying to join you. add my name user: paula_velez_br paula El 7/02/2008, a las 9:24, Judy Nylon escribi?: > Hi......this meeting is on Skype right? I can't find any > confirmation of 'where on line' it is and it is 15:23 but I seem to > be alone there except for Cym. What's up? > > Judy > > fougeras nathalie wrote: > Hello Chlo?, hello all, > > Yes Chlo? I add you > see you soon > cheers > Nathalie > > chlo? cramer a ?crit : > Hello > > If possible, I would like to take part to the performance as a remote > performer. I'll be in Maastricht with an actress. But I suppose that > the remote frames are going to be Paula and Audrey... so it is up to > the possibilities of the moment. Anyway, I am very interested in the > script. > cheers > Chlo? > _______________________________________________ > aether mailing list > aether at [nospam] 1904.cc > http://lists.1904.cc/mailman/listinfo/aether > > Ne gardez plus qu'une seule adresse mail ! Copiez vos mails vers > Yahoo! Mail _______________________________________________ > aether mailing list > aether at [nospam] 1904.cc > http://lists.1904.cc/mailman/listinfo/aether > > > Be a better friend, newshound, and know-it-all with Yahoo! Mobile. > Try it now. > _______________________________________________ > aether mailing list > aether at [nospam] 1904.cc > http://lists.1904.cc/mailman/listinfo/aether -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.1904.cc/pipermail/aether/attachments/20080207/6f84dc51/attachment.html From fougeras_nathalie at [nospam] yahoo.fr Thu Feb 7 20:10:21 2008 From: fougeras_nathalie at [nospam] yahoo.fr (fougeras nathalie) Date: Thu, 7 Feb 2008 20:10:21 +0100 (CET) Subject: [aether] next rehearsals aether - CMYK - Message-ID: <808788.60970.qm {a+} web26104.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> Hi! We had this first meeting together, save here now: http://1904.cc/~aether/CMYK_imal/chat_aether_CMYK_070208.html thanks all about participation So next rehearsal 'll be tomorrow Friday and Saturday afternoon at 13:00 (european time / CET). We 'll begin to work on the actions for each act and 'll talk in same time. I don't know if Manuel 'll have finish the interface tomorrow in order to test with the texts on line? ok we can begin to work on different actions.. see you in skype tomorrow cheers Nathalie --------------------------------- Ne gardez plus qu'une seule adresse mail ! Copiez vos mails vers Yahoo! 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From knickerbockerjuju at [nospam] yahoo.com Fri Feb 8 06:00:52 2008 From: knickerbockerjuju at [nospam] yahoo.com (Judy Nylon) Date: Thu, 7 Feb 2008 21:00:52 -0800 (PST) Subject: [aether] next rehearsals aether - CMYK - In-Reply-To: <808788.60970.qm {a+} web26104.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <348538.22543.qm {a+} web62305.mail.re1.yahoo.com> I have been thinking as I work here I have been thinking more about the Meisner acting technique as a help to those who will be performing actually in Brussels. "The basis of Meisner's technique is a simple one ? it is the belief that the actor must be doing something real in the space so that the audience can, in turn, experience real happenings. Meisner's way was to place maximum emphasis on the actors ?reading and responding to? each other. This, he felt, would remove the problem of actors ?fixing? their performances through a string of objectives and physical actions which had been decided beforehand, and which did not have any organic relationship with what was actually happening in the space." What this means is that if in ACT 1 it says the action is to read newspaper, disregard the audience and really read ( it will calm you to do a real time action), pull out a pen and do the crossword puzzle. Don't be afraid to speak in ACT3 even if there is no sound; a lot of times you see peoples mouth move and their gestures but the noise around them drowns them out. That's OK.....as long as everyone is really tuned into each other. Anyway, that's what I meant when I suggested the Sanford Meisner style acting earlier today on Skype. I look forward to the next rehearsal. Judy fougeras nathalie wrote: Hi! We had this first meeting together, save here now: http://1904.cc/~aether/CMYK_imal/chat_aether_CMYK_070208.html thanks all about participation So next rehearsal 'll be tomorrow Friday and Saturday afternoon at 13:00 (european time / CET). We 'll begin to work on the actions for each act and 'll talk in same time. I don't know if Manuel 'll have finish the interface tomorrow in order to test with the texts on line? ok we can begin to work on different actions.. see you in skype tomorrow cheers Nathalie --------------------------------- Ne gardez plus qu'une seule adresse mail ! Copiez vos mails vers Yahoo! Mail _______________________________________________ aether mailing list aether at [nospam] 1904.cc http://lists.1904.cc/mailman/listinfo/aether --------------------------------- Looking for last minute shopping deals? Find them fast with Yahoo! Search. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.1904.cc/pipermail/aether/attachments/20080207/fde70003/attachment.html From fougeras_nathalie at [nospam] yahoo.fr Fri Feb 8 13:07:10 2008 From: fougeras_nathalie at [nospam] yahoo.fr (fougeras nathalie) Date: Fri, 8 Feb 2008 13:07:10 +0100 (CET) Subject: [aether] RE : Re: next rehearsals aether - CMYK - In-Reply-To: <348538.22543.qm {a+} web62305.mail.re1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <467575.70611.qm {a+} web26106.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> Hi seems interesting to know this Meisner technique.., before to perform in the net I wrote interactive scenarios for video installation where we used these possibility to have multiple choice and additive possibility for one sequence-film so i want to do a projection of this technique, create a writing and play between actors and a audience. see you cheers Nathalie Judy Nylon a ?crit : I have been thinking as I work here I have been thinking more about the Meisner acting technique as a help to those who will be performing actually in Brussels. "The basis of Meisner's technique is a simple one ? it is the belief that the actor must be doing something real in the space so that the audience can, in turn, experience real happenings. Meisner's way was to place maximum emphasis on the actors ?reading and responding to? each other. This, he felt, would remove the problem of actors ?fixing? their performances through a string of objectives and physical actions which had been decided beforehand, and which did not have any organic relationship with what was actually happening in the space." What this means is that if in ACT 1 it says the action is to read newspaper, disregard the audience and really read ( it will calm you to do a real time action), pull out a pen and do the crossword puzzle. Don't be afraid to speak in ACT3 even if there is no sound; a lot of times you see peoples mouth move and their gestures but the noise around them drowns them out. That's OK.....as long as everyone is really tuned into each other. Anyway, that's what I meant when I suggested the Sanford Meisner style acting earlier today on Skype. I look forward to the next rehearsal. Judy fougeras nathalie wrote: Hi! We had this first meeting together, save here now: http://1904.cc/~aether/CMYK_imal/chat_aether_CMYK_070208.html thanks all about participation So next rehearsal 'll be tomorrow Friday and Saturday afternoon at 13:00 (european time / CET). We 'll begin to work on the actions for each act and 'll talk in same time. I don't know if Manuel 'll have finish the interface tomorrow in order to test with the texts on line? ok we can begin to work on different actions.. see you in skype tomorrow cheers Nathalie --------------------------------- Ne gardez plus qu'une seule adresse mail ! Copiez vos mails vers Yahoo! 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URL: http://lists.1904.cc/pipermail/aether/attachments/20080208/d1dfd18f/attachment.html From bk at [nospam] n3krozoft.com Sat Feb 9 03:38:03 2008 From: bk at [nospam] n3krozoft.com (bk) Date: Sat, 09 Feb 2008 03:38:03 +0100 Subject: [aether] CMYK's FAQ and other Message-ID: <47AD120B.3090902 {a+} n3krozoft.com> Hello everybody, in order to clear up some questions i have regarding next performance, i read thoroughly the chats and documents and still have a lot of questions, so i summarised what i understood and wrote a FAQ that is very uncomplete. --- CMYK's summary: Personal: 7 people are directly involved in the play: 5 actors and 2 online guests. 3 actors are in Brussels, at the iMAL location (Boris will play, the 2 others aren't clear yet) 2 actors are remote (Audrey and Paula) -- Technical structure: There are 5 titled acts, each act will last exactly 4 minutes. Frame 1,2,3,4 & 6 are actors frames. All actors aren't playing all the time, it depends on each acts. Frame 5 will contain the title of the act (example: "act II - exchanges") Frame 8 will contain the keywords and "symbol/intensity" dedicated to each act. It is the 2 online guests who will freely decide to impose them (by sending text - or symbols? - into frame 8). They can change (or not) "symbol/intensity" inside a single act. Frames 7 and 9 automatically and symetrically mirror the frames 1 & 3 in ascii style. --- CMYK's FAQ: > Characters / personnages Q: Are the different actors embodying a same character or are they considered totally independent? I mean do they share the same t-shirt? > All actors aren't always acting in the frame Q: We need to decide something to do for the actors at iMAL during their online passivity (go into hibernation - gather together and do Meisner style repetition exercices - engage conversations with audience - ...?) > Card symbols Q: Is there a general feeling for each card symbol (spades/pique, hearts/coeur, diamonds/carreau, clubs/tr?fle) that is valid all through the 5 acts? If yes, how could we define them? > The guests write the play by choosing intensities for each acts. Q: Are "intensities", "actions" and "card symbols" synonyms in our context? > The guests will have a list where they pick intensities. Q: What is this list? Don't they have to simply choose one symbol out of the four card symbols? Q: How much time is the minimal time for 1 intensity? A: One act is 4 minutes. There is a 10-15 second gap for the guest's input to be displayed and another 10-15 seconds gap for the actors input to be displayed. So I cannot imagine realistically more that 2 intensities per act (and 90 seconds per intensity). But why not add a little chaos of course! > In acts 3, 4 and 5, some actions are valid only for some frames Q: Here there's no chance/hasard anymore? Or only partly? > In act 5, "somebody comes in the romme where the body lies (frame 4). Q: So there will be 2 actors in the same frame: somebody + the body? If yes, this somebody is the actor from frame 6? Or somebody else? > chat Q: Do we need to chat during the performance? A: in my opinion, yes. But not necessarely. Would be more beautifull without. But please give your feeling about this. > The frame 5 Q: who will manage this simple frame? Chlo? who will be in Maastricht could do this i guess. > Party Q: Is there a party after the events on saturday night at iMAL? > musical background composed by Shelbatra Jashari Q: there's the sound of the albanian musician, Shelbatra Jashari - what is the idea with this soundtrack? Judy you made some proposals on an earlier chat, how do you feel about using this existing soundtrack? --- My personal worries and fears: > We never had a big public show like this, with such a physical "mise en sc?ne". The actors and their operator at iMal will have to be very well prepared in order to be efficient. I am worried because we haven't cleared if the actors will communicate freely with their operator (as it was always the case for remote performers) or if we prepare for something more scenical. The "scene" is a great challenge and we should adress this question very soon. > There is quite an intrusive heavy technoid/indus beat in this albanian soundtrack. Makes me very afraid. --- (re)Sources: http://1904.cc/~aether/CMYK_imal/english_version/scenario.htm http://1904.cc/~aether/CMYK_imal/version_francaise/aether-cmyk-stage.htm + 2 chats: http://1904.cc/~aether/CMYK_imal/chat_aether_CMYK_070208.html http://1904.cc/~aether/CMYK_imal/cmyk_chat_080206.html + music: http://1904.cc/~aether/CMYK_imal/shell_1.aiff + other stuff here: http://1904.cc/~aether/CMYK_imal/ --- See you tommorow at rehearsal at 13:00 european time (very early for nyc and colombia i guess!) Boris From fougeras_nathalie at [nospam] yahoo.fr Sat Feb 9 12:06:33 2008 From: fougeras_nathalie at [nospam] yahoo.fr (fougeras nathalie) Date: Sat, 9 Feb 2008 12:06:33 +0100 (CET) Subject: [aether] RE : CMYK's FAQ and other In-Reply-To: <47AD120B.3090902 {a+} n3krozoft.com> Message-ID: <571960.54713.qm {a+} web26102.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> Hi I can be free only at 14h for the rehearsal I can to answer you then Boris or other see you all N. bk a ?crit : Hello everybody, in order to clear up some questions i have regarding next performance, i read thoroughly the chats and documents and still have a lot of questions, so i summarised what i understood and wrote a FAQ that is very uncomplete. --- CMYK's summary: Personal: 7 people are directly involved in the play: 5 actors and 2 online guests. 3 actors are in Brussels, at the iMAL location (Boris will play, the 2 others aren't clear yet) 2 actors are remote (Audrey and Paula) -- Technical structure: There are 5 titled acts, each act will last exactly 4 minutes. Frame 1,2,3,4 & 6 are actors frames. All actors aren't playing all the time, it depends on each acts. Frame 5 will contain the title of the act (example: "act II - exchanges") Frame 8 will contain the keywords and "symbol/intensity" dedicated to each act. It is the 2 online guests who will freely decide to impose them (by sending text - or symbols? - into frame 8). They can change (or not) "symbol/intensity" inside a single act. Frames 7 and 9 automatically and symetrically mirror the frames 1 & 3 in ascii style. --- CMYK's FAQ: > Characters / personnages Q: Are the different actors embodying a same character or are they considered totally independent? I mean do they share the same t-shirt? > All actors aren't always acting in the frame Q: We need to decide something to do for the actors at iMAL during their online passivity (go into hibernation - gather together and do Meisner style repetition exercices - engage conversations with audience - ...?) > Card symbols Q: Is there a general feeling for each card symbol (spades/pique, hearts/coeur, diamonds/carreau, clubs/tr?fle) that is valid all through the 5 acts? If yes, how could we define them? > The guests write the play by choosing intensities for each acts. Q: Are "intensities", "actions" and "card symbols" synonyms in our context? > The guests will have a list where they pick intensities. Q: What is this list? Don't they have to simply choose one symbol out of the four card symbols? Q: How much time is the minimal time for 1 intensity? A: One act is 4 minutes. There is a 10-15 second gap for the guest's input to be displayed and another 10-15 seconds gap for the actors input to be displayed. So I cannot imagine realistically more that 2 intensities per act (and 90 seconds per intensity). But why not add a little chaos of course! > In acts 3, 4 and 5, some actions are valid only for some frames Q: Here there's no chance/hasard anymore? Or only partly? > In act 5, "somebody comes in the romme where the body lies (frame 4). Q: So there will be 2 actors in the same frame: somebody + the body? If yes, this somebody is the actor from frame 6? Or somebody else? > chat Q: Do we need to chat during the performance? A: in my opinion, yes. But not necessarely. Would be more beautifull without. But please give your feeling about this. > The frame 5 Q: who will manage this simple frame? Chlo? who will be in Maastricht could do this i guess. > Party Q: Is there a party after the events on saturday night at iMAL? > musical background composed by Shelbatra Jashari Q: there's the sound of the albanian musician, Shelbatra Jashari - what is the idea with this soundtrack? Judy you made some proposals on an earlier chat, how do you feel about using this existing soundtrack? --- My personal worries and fears: > We never had a big public show like this, with such a physical "mise en sc?ne". The actors and their operator at iMal will have to be very well prepared in order to be efficient. I am worried because we haven't cleared if the actors will communicate freely with their operator (as it was always the case for remote performers) or if we prepare for something more scenical. The "scene" is a great challenge and we should adress this question very soon. > There is quite an intrusive heavy technoid/indus beat in this albanian soundtrack. Makes me very afraid. --- (re)Sources: http://1904.cc/~aether/CMYK_imal/english_version/scenario.htm http://1904.cc/~aether/CMYK_imal/version_francaise/aether-cmyk-stage.htm + 2 chats: http://1904.cc/~aether/CMYK_imal/chat_aether_CMYK_070208.html http://1904.cc/~aether/CMYK_imal/cmyk_chat_080206.html + music: http://1904.cc/~aether/CMYK_imal/shell_1.aiff + other stuff here: http://1904.cc/~aether/CMYK_imal/ --- See you tommorow at rehearsal at 13:00 european time (very early for nyc and colombia i guess!) Boris _______________________________________________ aether mailing list aether at [nospam] 1904.cc http://lists.1904.cc/mailman/listinfo/aether --------------------------------- Ne gardez plus qu'une seule adresse mail ! Copiez vos mails vers Yahoo! Mail -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.1904.cc/pipermail/aether/attachments/20080209/4e31e64f/attachment.html From ideacritik at [nospam] yahoo.ca Sat Feb 9 12:21:14 2008 From: ideacritik at [nospam] yahoo.ca (::audrey::) Date: Sat, 9 Feb 2008 03:21:14 -0800 (PST) Subject: [aether] Re : RE : CMYK's FAQ and other Message-ID: <598054.20246.qm {a+} web50208.mail.re2.yahoo.com> i have a proposal - for ACTII (spade(pique) action-intensity sharp) - instead of incense sticks burning - which i suspect won't look like much on the screen (will we even see them?) - what about the good ol' sparkly stick thingies... like the ones we used in geneva for the first performance - i've no clue how they are called but it's a typical birthday thing (in north america at least), they look like incense sticks, but when light they sparkle all over the place! i'll try and go find some now so i can show you later - for those sceptical of my cheap party tactics :) ps totally unrelated: does anyone on this list live in cologne, germany (k?ln) ----- Message initial ---- De : fougeras nathalie ? : //// collaborative networked performance //// Envoy? le : samedi 9 f?vrier 2008, 12 h 06 min 33 s Objet : [aether] RE : CMYK's FAQ and other Hi I can be free only at 14h for the rehearsal I can to answer you then Boris or other see you all N. bk a ?crit : Hello everybody, in order to clear up some questions i have regarding next performance, i read thoroughly the chats and documents and still have a lot of questions, so i summarised what i understood and wrote a FAQ that is very uncomplete. --- CMYK's summary: Personal: 7 people are directly involved in the play: 5 actors and 2 online guests. 3 actors are in Brussels, at the iMAL location (Boris will play, the 2 others aren't clear yet) 2 actors are remote (Audrey and Paula) -- Technical structure: There are 5 titled acts, each act will last exactly 4 minutes. Frame 1,2,3,4 & 6 are actors frames. All actors aren't playing all the time, it depends on each acts. Frame 5 will contain the title of the act (example: "act II - exchanges") Frame 8 will contain the keywords and "symbol/intensity" dedicated to each act. It is the 2 online guests who will freely decide to impose them (by sending text - or symbols? - into frame 8). They can change (or not) "symbol/intensity" inside a single act. Frames 7 and 9 automatically and symetrically mirror the frames 1 & 3 in ascii style. --- CMYK's FAQ: > Characters / personnages Q: Are the different actors embodying a same character or are they considered totally independent? I mean do they share the same t-shirt? > All actors aren't always acting in the frame Q: We need to decide something to do for the actors at iMAL during their online passivity (go into hibernation - gather together and do Meisner style repetition exercices - engage conversations with audience - ...?) > Card symbols Q: Is there a general feeling for each card symbol (spades/pique, hearts/coeur, diamonds/carreau, clubs/tr?fle) that is valid all through the 5 acts? If yes, how could we define them? > The guests write the play by choosing intensities for each acts. Q: Are "intensities", "actions" and "card symbols" synonyms in our context? > The guests will have a list where they pick intensities. Q: What is this list? Don't they have to simply choose one symbol out of the four card symbols? Q: How much time is the minimal time for 1 intensity? A: One act is 4 minutes. There is a 10-15 second gap for the guest's input to be displayed and another 10-15 seconds gap for the actors input to be displayed. So I cannot imagine realistically more that 2 intensities per act (and 90 seconds per intensity). But why not add a little chaos of course! > In acts 3, 4 and 5, some actions are valid only for some frames Q: Here there's no chance/hasard anymore? Or only partly? > In act 5, "somebody comes in the romme where the body lies (frame 4). Q: So there will be 2 actors in the same frame: somebody + the body? If yes, this somebody is the actor from frame 6? Or somebody else? > chat Q: Do we need to chat during the performance? A: in my opinion, yes. But not necessarely. Would be more beautifull without. But please give your feeling about this. > The frame 5 Q: who will manage this simple frame? Chlo? who will be in Maastricht could do this i guess. > Party Q: Is there a party after the events on saturday night at iMAL? > musical background composed by Shelbatra Jashari Q: there's the sound of the albanian musician, Shelbatra Jashari - what is the idea with this soundtrack? Judy you made some proposals on an earlier chat, how do you feel about using this existing soundtrack? --- My personal worries and fears: > We never had a big public show like this, with such a physical "mise en sc?ne". The actors and their operator at iMal will have to be very well prepared in order to be efficient. I am worried because we haven't cleared if the actors will communicate freely with their operator (as it was always the case for remote performers) or if we prepare for something more scenical. The "scene" is a great challenge and we should adress this question very soon. > There is quite an intrusive heavy technoid/indus beat in this albanian soundtrack. Makes me very afraid. --- (re)Sources: http://1904.cc/~aether/CMYK_imal/english_version/scenario.htm http://1904.cc/~aether/CMYK_imal/version_francaise/aether-cmyk-stage.htm + 2 chats: http://1904.cc/~aether/CMYK_imal/chat_aether_CMYK_070208.html http://1904.cc/~aether/CMYK_imal/cmyk_chat_080206.html + music: http://1904.cc/~aether/CMYK_imal/shell_1.aiff + other stuff here: http://1904.cc/~aether/CMYK_imal/ --- See you tommorow at rehearsal at 13:00 european time (very early for nyc and colombia i guess!) Boris _______________________________________________ aether mailing list aether at [nospam] 1904.cc http://lists.1904.cc/mailman/listinfo/aether Ne gardez plus qu'une seule adresse mail ! Copiez vos mails vers Yahoo! Mail -----La pi?ce jointe correspondante suit----- _______________________________________________ aether mailing list aether at [nospam] 1904.cc http://lists.1904.cc/mailman/listinfo/aether D?couvrez les styles qui font sensation sur Yahoo! Qu?bec Avatars. http://cf.avatars.yahoo.com/ -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.1904.cc/pipermail/aether/attachments/20080209/c08cb912/attachment.html From bk at [nospam] n3krozoft.com Sat Feb 9 13:27:39 2008 From: bk at [nospam] n3krozoft.com (bk) Date: Sat, 09 Feb 2008 13:27:39 +0100 Subject: [aether] RE : CMYK's FAQ and other In-Reply-To: <571960.54713.qm {a+} web26102.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> References: <571960.54713.qm {a+} web26102.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <47AD9C3B.6010704 {a+} n3krozoft.com> Hi all, i feel i need to clear that it wasn't my intention to put into question anything that has been decided so far for CMYK. I find the evolution Aether is going through totally GREAT, the new play is opening many many doors - Nathalie did a fantastic work i find! I stated my "worries and fears" simply because i think it cannot harm to express them if we have some (not in order to block anything, on the contrary). I can't wait for next saturday, let's do it and work hard for it! See you very soon, i'll be there at 14h for rehearsal, Boris fougeras nathalie wrote: > Hi > > I can be free only at 14h for the rehearsal > I can to answer you then Boris or other > see you all > N. > > */bk /* a ?crit : > > Hello everybody, > in order to clear up some questions i have regarding next > performance, i > read thoroughly the chats and documents and still have a lot of > questions, so i summarised what i understood and wrote a FAQ that is > very uncomplete. > > --- > > CMYK's summary: > > Personal: > 7 people are directly involved in the play: 5 actors and 2 online > guests. > 3 actors are in Brussels, at the iMAL location (Boris will play, the 2 > others aren't clear yet) > 2 actors are remote (Audrey and Paula) > -- > Technical structure: > There are 5 titled acts, each act will last exactly 4 minutes. > Frame 1,2,3,4 & 6 are actors frames. All actors aren't playing all the > time, it depends on each acts. > Frame 5 will contain the title of the act (example: "act II - > exchanges") > Frame 8 will contain the keywords and "symbol/intensity" dedicated to > each act. It is the 2 online guests who will freely decide to impose > them (by sending text - or symbols? - into frame 8). They can > change (or > not) "symbol/intensity" inside a single act. > Frames 7 and 9 automatically and symetrically mirror the frames 1 > & 3 in > ascii style. > --- > > > CMYK's FAQ: > > > Characters / personnages > Q: Are the different actors embodying a same character or are they > considered totally independent? I mean do they share the same t-shirt? > > > > All actors aren't always acting in the frame > Q: We need to decide something to do for the actors at iMAL during > their > online passivity (go into hibernation - gather together and do Meisner > style repetition exercices - engage conversations with audience - > ...?) > > > > Card symbols > Q: Is there a general feeling for each card symbol (spades/pique, > hearts/coeur, diamonds/carreau, clubs/tr?fle) that is valid all > through > the 5 acts? If yes, how could we define them? > > > > The guests write the play by choosing intensities for each acts. > Q: Are "intensities", "actions" and "card symbols" synonyms in our > context? > > > > The guests will have a list where they pick intensities. > Q: What is this list? Don't they have to simply choose one symbol > out of > the four card symbols? > > > Q: How much time is the minimal time for 1 intensity? > A: One act is 4 minutes. There is a 10-15 second gap for the guest's > input to be displayed and another 10-15 seconds gap for the actors > input > to be displayed. > So I cannot imagine realistically more that 2 intensities per act (and > 90 seconds per intensity). But why not add a little chaos of course! > > > > In acts 3, 4 and 5, some actions are valid only for some frames > Q: Here there's no chance/hasard anymore? Or only partly? > > > > In act 5, "somebody comes in the romme where the body lies > (frame 4). > Q: So there will be 2 actors in the same frame: somebody + the > body? If > yes, this somebody is the actor from frame 6? Or somebody else? > > > > chat > Q: Do we need to chat during the performance? > A: in my opinion, yes. But not necessarely. Would be more beautifull > without. But please give your feeling about this. > > > > The frame 5 > Q: who will manage this simple frame? Chlo? who will be in Maastricht > could do this i guess. > > > > Party > Q: Is there a party after the events on saturday night at iMAL? > > > > musical background composed by Shelbatra Jashari > Q: there's the sound of the albanian musician, Shelbatra Jashari - > what > is the idea with this soundtrack? Judy you made some proposals on an > earlier chat, how do you feel about using this existing soundtrack? > > --- > > My personal worries and fears: > > We never had a big public show like this, with such a physical > "mise > en sc?ne". The actors and their operator at iMal will have to be very > well prepared in order to be efficient. I am worried because we > haven't > cleared if the actors will communicate freely with their operator > (as it > was always the case for remote performers) or if we prepare for > something more scenical. > The "scene" is a great challenge and we should adress this > question very > soon. > > > There is quite an intrusive heavy technoid/indus beat in this > albanian soundtrack. Makes me very afraid. > > --- > (re)Sources: > http://1904.cc/~aether/CMYK_imal/english_version/scenario.htm > http://1904.cc/~aether/CMYK_imal/version_francaise/aether-cmyk-stage.htm > + 2 chats: > http://1904.cc/~aether/CMYK_imal/chat_aether_CMYK_070208.html > http://1904.cc/~aether/CMYK_imal/cmyk_chat_080206.html > + music: > http://1904.cc/~aether/CMYK_imal/shell_1.aiff > + other stuff here: > http://1904.cc/~aether/CMYK_imal/ > > --- > > See you tommorow at rehearsal at 13:00 european time (very early > for nyc > and colombia i guess!) > Boris > > > _______________________________________________ > aether mailing list > aether at [nospam] 1904.cc > http://lists.1904.cc/mailman/listinfo/aether > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > Ne gardez plus qu'une seule adresse mail ! Copiez vos mails > > vers Yahoo! Mail > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > _______________________________________________ > aether mailing list > aether at [nospam] 1904.cc > http://lists.1904.cc/mailman/listinfo/aether > From theleague at [nospam] imaginaryscience.org Sat Feb 9 19:19:00 2008 From: theleague at [nospam] imaginaryscience.org (The League of Imaginary Scientists) Date: Sat, 09 Feb 2008 10:19:00 -0800 Subject: [aether] League input In-Reply-To: <598054.20246.qm {a+} web50208.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Message-ID: Hi Aethernauts ? thought I should indicate the League?s response to this project. The script is detailed, the process really organized, and promising... What we imaginary scientists have most enjoyed in previous Aether endeavors is the collaborative aspect of the writing, concept building, and creative play, present in the very first performance the 7/7/7 performance, where story and planning were really infused with a sense of play and wild interpretation. We?re not as excited about participating in detailed pre-scripted performances, though they are likely important developments in this community-based collaborative project. With the full and detailed script, the role changes, to some degree, from collaborator to performer. The mad scientist aspect of previous projects ? bring in the elements and see what chemical reaction occurs ? was so exciting. Perhaps an upcoming project could return to the early energetic improvisations. Improvisation coupled with the planned coordination achieved during these latest performances could be a good marriage. Finally, I?d brought up the conceptual discussion (philosophical grounding of the project and artistic predecessors) and should write that I am really glad that that discussion has been and continues to be out there and relevant ? and is an active part of the Aether process. The press release for the last project and the writing that built up to that went along these lines. So, Cheers! 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Name: not available Type: image/gif Size: 3346 bytes Desc: not available Url : http://lists.1904.cc/pipermail/aether/attachments/20080209/cc19f285/attachment.gif From fougeras_nathalie at [nospam] yahoo.fr Sat Feb 9 19:28:13 2008 From: fougeras_nathalie at [nospam] yahoo.fr (fougeras nathalie) Date: Sat, 9 Feb 2008 19:28:13 +0100 (CET) Subject: [aether] RE : Re : RE : CMYK's FAQ and other In-Reply-To: <598054.20246.qm {a+} web50208.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <348063.91293.qm {a+} web26104.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> hello, yes we can try wednesday then audrey see you N. : audrey: : Sat Feb 9 11: 21: 14 at [nospam] yahoo.com, UNEXPECTED_DATA_AFTER_ADDRESS_IN_GROUP at .SYNTAX-ERROR.;;;;;, "::audrey::" a ?crit : i have a proposal - for ACTII (spade(pique) action-intensity sharp) - instead of incense sticks burning - which i suspect won't look like much on the screen (will we even see them?) - what about the good ol' sparkly stick thingies... like the ones we used in geneva for the first performance - i've no clue how they are called but it's a typical birthday thing (in north america at least), they look like incense sticks, but when light they sparkle all over the place! i'll try and go find some now so i can show you later - for those sceptical of my cheap party tactics :) ps totally unrelated: does anyone on this list live in cologne, germany (k?ln) ----- Message initial ---- De : fougeras nathalie ? : //// collaborative networked performance //// Envoy? le : samedi 9 f?vrier 2008, 12 h 06 min 33 s Objet : [aether] RE : CMYK's FAQ and other Hi I can be free only at 14h for the rehearsal I can to answer you then Boris or other see you all N. bk a ?crit : Hello everybody, in order to clear up some questions i have regarding next performance, i read thoroughly the chats and documents and still have a lot of questions, so i summarised what i understood and wrote a FAQ that is very uncomplete. --- CMYK's summary: Personal: 7 people are directly involved in the play: 5 actors and 2 online guests. 3 actors are in Brussels, at the iMAL location (Boris will play, the 2 others aren't clear yet) 2 actors are remote (Audrey and Paula) -- Technical structure: There are 5 titled acts, each act will last exactly 4 minutes. Frame 1,2,3,4 & 6 are actors frames. All actors aren't playing all the time, it depends on each acts. Frame 5 will contain the title of the act (example: "act II - exchanges") Frame 8 will contain the keywords and "symbol/intensity" dedicated to each act. It is the 2 online guests who will freely decide to impose them (by sending text - or symbols? - into frame 8). They can change (or not) "symbol/intensity" inside a single act. Frames 7 and 9 automatically and symetrically mirror the frames 1 & 3 in ascii style. --- CMYK's FAQ: > Characters / personnages Q: Are the different actors embodying a same character or are they considered totally independent? I mean do they share the same t-shirt? > All actors aren't always acting in the frame Q: We need to decide something to do for the actors at iMAL during their online passivity (go into hibernation - gather together and do Meisner style repetition exercices - engage conversations with audience - ...?) > Card symbols Q: Is there a general feeling for each card symbol (spades/pique, hearts/coeur, diamonds/carreau, clubs/tr?fle) that is valid all through the 5 acts? If yes, how could we define them? > The guests write the play by choosing intensities for each acts. Q: Are "intensities", "actions" and "card symbols" synonyms in our context? > The guests will have a list where they pick intensities. Q: What is this list? Don't they have to simply choose one symbol out of the four card symbols? Q: How much time is the minimal time for 1 intensity? A: One act is 4 minutes. There is a 10-15 second gap for the guest's input to be displayed and another 10-15 seconds gap for the actors input to be displayed. So I cannot imagine realistically more that 2 intensities per act (and 90 seconds per intensity). But why not add a little chaos of course! > In acts 3, 4 and 5, some actions are valid only for some frames Q: Here there's no chance/hasard anymore? Or only partly? > In act 5, "somebody comes in the romme where the body lies (frame 4). Q: So there will be 2 actors in the same frame: somebody + the body? If yes, this somebody is the actor from frame 6? Or somebody else? > chat Q: Do we need to chat during the performance? A: in my opinion, yes. But not necessarely. Would be more beautifull without. But please give your feeling about this. > The frame 5 Q: who will manage this simple frame? Chlo? who will be in Maastricht could do this i guess. > Party Q: Is there a party after the events on saturday night at iMAL? > musical background composed by Shelbatra Jashari Q: there's the sound of the albanian musician, Shelbatra Jashari - what is the idea with this soundtrack? Judy you made some proposals on an earlier chat, how do you feel about using this existing soundtrack? --- My personal worries and fears: > We never had a big public show like this, with such a physical "mise en sc?ne". The actors and their operator at iMal will have to be very well prepared in order to be efficient. I am worried because we haven't cleared if the actors will communicate freely with their operator (as it was always the case for remote performers) or if we prepare for something more scenical. The "scene" is a great challenge and we should adress this question very soon. > There is quite an intrusive heavy technoid/indus beat in this albanian soundtrack. Makes me very afraid. --- (re)Sources: http://1904.cc/~aether/CMYK_imal/english_version/scenario.htm http://1904.cc/~aether/CMYK_imal/version_francaise/aether-cmyk-stage.htm + 2 chats: http://1904.cc/~aether/CMYK_imal/chat_aether_CMYK_070208.html http://1904.cc/~aether/CMYK_imal/cmyk_chat_080206.html + music: http://1904.cc/~aether/CMYK_imal/shell_1.aiff + other stuff here: http://1904.cc/~aether/CMYK_imal/ --- See you tommorow at rehearsal at 13:00 european time (very early for nyc and colombia i guess!) Boris _______________________________________________ aether mailing list aether at [nospam] 1904.cc http://lists.1904.cc/mailman/listinfo/aether --------------------------------- Ne gardez plus qu'une seule adresse mail ! Copiez vos mails vers Yahoo! 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URL: http://lists.1904.cc/pipermail/aether/attachments/20080209/f03e3b2d/attachment.html From 1.1 [*] 1904.cc Sun Feb 10 04:26:26 2008 From: 1.1 [*] 1904.cc (1.1.1904) Date: Sun, 10 Feb 2008 04:26:26 +0100 Subject: [aether] League input In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: hi lucy, thanks for that critical input, I partly agree with you in the sense that we should maybe schedule more frequent (regular...) freeform performance sessions, inbetween the "official" performances.. that would give more space to the spontaneous aspects vs. script driven.. actually our move towards more precise and structured scripts is probably linked to the specific kind of focussed attention towards performances in festivals... obviously those viewing conditions, expectations and time slots had a role in shaping our approach. it could be interesting for our future installments to look for less concise formats, for example by doing very long, 3- or 5- or 10-hour performances... or creating more "ambient" / relaxed viewing conditions, such as in a music venue, where the attention isn't necessarily so focussed and the time experience more dilluted.. >Hi Aethernauts - thought I should indicate the League's response to >this project. The script is detailed, the process really organized, >and promising... What we imaginary scientists have most enjoyed in >previous Aether endeavors is the collaborative aspect of the >writing, concept building, and creative play, present in the very >first performance the 7/7/7 performance, where story and planning >were really infused with a sense of play and wild interpretation. > We're not as excited about participating in detailed pre-scripted >performances, though they are likely important developments in this >community-based collaborative project. With the full and detailed >script, the role changes, to some degree, from collaborator to >performer. > >The mad scientist aspect of previous projects - bring in the >elements and see what chemical reaction occurs - was so exciting. > Perhaps an upcoming project could return to the early energetic >improvisations. Improvisation coupled with the planned coordination >achieved during these latest performances could be a good marriage. > >Finally, I'd brought up the conceptual discussion (philosophical >grounding of the project and artistic predecessors) and should write >that I am really glad that that discussion has been and continues to >be out there and relevant - and is an active part of the Aether >process. The press release for the last project and the writing >that built up to that went along these lines. > >So, Cheers! And we'll be watching from the sidelines... >Lucy From 1.1 [*] 1904.cc Sun Feb 10 04:11:02 2008 From: 1.1 [*] 1904.cc (1.1.1904) Date: Sun, 10 Feb 2008 04:11:02 +0100 Subject: [aether] webcam sniffing + other features In-Reply-To: <541470.49909.qm {a+} web26110.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> References: <541470.49909.qm {a+} web26110.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> Message-ID: hi, a new version of the patch is available, providing the typical "ascii" effect that was requested for the CMYK performance. to work properly, you will need a video source with a sharp bright / dark contrast. very probably, it will be necessary to first adjust brightness/contrast of the image, before applying the effect. download version "upload123" here: http://1904.cc/~aether/kode/max_image_upload/ about the webcams: you can easily add more webcams to the list, by simply editing the "www_cams.txt" file with a text editor. It contains values such as this: http://217.153.19.4/oneshotimage.jpg Szczecin_Poland The first element is the adress of the webcam image, the second element [Szczecin_Poland] is a the name you want to be displayed in the pull-down menu (use _underscore_ instead of spaces). more improvements are on the way ;) best , manuel >Hi, > >today after this rehearsal we'll need to repeat again many frames >together (thanks for your presence today), and then the sound 'll >come monday (20:00 CET but i can be free the day too if one of you >want ) and wednesday (21:00) > >Thursday we 'll do a rehearsal directly in iMAL in the afternoon and >evening because we need to in brussels to arrange the stages in the >shot > >Otherwise, during rehearsals we found it's interesting to have >direct webcams in the frames where there are not actions (empty time >for a frame = other pictures to send) : >so Manuel included in the folder "upload_122" this file call >"www_cams.txt" where you can find adress of different webcams if you >can check a part of this list to search interesting views during >21h00 CET time.. to search this pictures to add in the empty time of >your frame (exemple: a cafe ambiance in the frame 6 with webcam, a >building or house view.. ) > >see you monday in skype >cheers >Nathalie > > > >Ne gardez plus qu'une seule adresse mail ! >Copiez >vos mails vers Yahoo! Mail > >_______________________________________________ >aether mailing list >aether at [nospam] 1904.cc >http://lists.1904.cc/mailman/listinfo/aether From knickerbockerjuju at [nospam] yahoo.com Sun Feb 10 09:39:51 2008 From: knickerbockerjuju at [nospam] yahoo.com (Judy Nylon) Date: Sun, 10 Feb 2008 00:39:51 -0800 (PST) Subject: [aether] Sound Update:: CMYK's FAQ and WEBCAMs, freeform In-Reply-To: <348063.91293.qm {a+} web26104.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <533191.64698.qm {a+} web62314.mail.re1.yahoo.com> It is quite late here; just caught up on all the communication after today's rehearsal. The external cameras are a great addition; I always wanted it to have some outdoor vision/eyes but understood that we are still tethered to the camera and laptop in 2008. I have written text that may be performed flexibly & with the different "Intensities" as required (will get the words up on site after the first live run-through). Jonathan had a sick day today so we plan to work tomorrow (or well today) in the morning; I am ready with all the pieces and the general plan so we need only assemble. I have planned samples that will overlay the Albanian artist's MP3 and will try to use it as a sound cushion (with lots of reverb). I had the same fears as Boris about the beat which was why I asked for the individual tracks (which I guess are not available) so that I could tone it down in Pro Tools. It would be fun at some point to do broadcasts that are much longer and free-form but organizing larger chucks of time with a string of people and a band of time zones will be a challenge or like a chat room. It is sort of like jamming which I have never been that natural/easy with. Must sleep.....But I will aim for the rehearsal at 20:00 CET....2 PM EST (NY?). I am not worried and feel that "so far, so good". G'nite, Judy fougeras nathalie wrote: hello, yes we can try wednesday then audrey see you N. : audrey: : Sat Feb 9 11: 21: 14 at [nospam] yahoo.com, UNEXPECTED_DATA_AFTER_ADDRESS_IN_GROUP at .SYNTAX-ERROR.;;;;;, "::audrey::" a ?crit : i have a proposal - for ACTII (spade(pique) action-intensity sharp) - instead of incense sticks burning - which i suspect won't look like much on the screen (will we even see them?) - what about the good ol' sparkly stick thingies... like the ones we used in geneva for the first performance - i've no clue how they are called but it's a typical birthday thing (in north america at least), they look like incense sticks, but when light they sparkle all over the place! i'll try and go find some now so i can show you later - for those sceptical of my cheap party tactics :) ps totally unrelated: does anyone on this list live in cologne, germany (k?ln) ----- Message initial ---- De : fougeras nathalie ? : //// collaborative networked performance //// Envoy? le : samedi 9 f?vrier 2008, 12 h 06 min 33 s Objet : [aether] RE : CMYK's FAQ and other Hi I can be free only at 14h for the rehearsal I can to answer you then Boris or other see you all N. bk a ?crit : Hello everybody, in order to clear up some questions i have regarding next performance, i read thoroughly the chats and documents and still have a lot of questions, so i summarised what i understood and wrote a FAQ that is very uncomplete. --- CMYK's summary: Personal: 7 people are directly involved in the play: 5 actors and 2 online guests. 3 actors are in Brussels, at the iMAL location (Boris will play, the 2 others aren't clear yet) 2 actors are remote (Audrey and Paula) -- Technical structure: There are 5 titled acts, each act will last exactly 4 minutes. Frame 1,2,3,4 & 6 are actors frames. All actors aren't playing all the time, it depends on each acts. Frame 5 will contain the title of the act (example: "act II - exchanges") Frame 8 will contain the keywords and "symbol/intensity" dedicated to each act. It is the 2 online guests who will freely decide to impose them (by sending text - or symbols? - into frame 8). They can change (or not) "symbol/intensity" inside a single act. Frames 7 and 9 automatically and symetrically mirror the frames 1 & 3 in ascii style. --- CMYK's FAQ: > Characters / personnages Q: Are the different actors embodying a same character or are they considered totally independent? I mean do they share the same t-shirt? > All actors aren't always acting in the frame Q: We need to decide something to do for the actors at iMAL during their online passivity (go into hibernation - gather together and do Meisner style repetition exercices - engage conversations with audience - ...?) > Card symbols Q: Is there a general feeling for each card symbol (spades/pique, hearts/coeur, diamonds/carreau, clubs/tr?fle) that is valid all through the 5 acts? If yes, how could we define them? > The guests write the play by choosing intensities for each acts. Q: Are "intensities", "actions" and "card symbols" synonyms in our context? > The guests will have a list where they pick intensities. Q: What is this list? Don't they have to simply choose one symbol out of the four card symbols? Q: How much time is the minimal time for 1 intensity? A: One act is 4 minutes. There is a 10-15 second gap for the guest's input to be displayed and another 10-15 seconds gap for the actors input to be displayed. So I cannot imagine realistically more that 2 intensities per act (and 90 seconds per intensity). But why not add a little chaos of course! > In acts 3, 4 and 5, some actions are valid only for some frames Q: Here there's no chance/hasard anymore? Or only partly? > In act 5, "somebody comes in the romme where the body lies (frame 4). Q: So there will be 2 actors in the same frame: somebody + the body? If yes, this somebody is the actor from frame 6? Or somebody else? > chat Q: Do we need to chat during the performance? A: in my opinion, yes. But not necessarely. Would be more beautifull without. But please give your feeling about this. > The frame 5 Q: who will manage this simple frame? Chlo? who will be in Maastricht could do this i guess. > Party Q: Is there a party after the events on saturday night at iMAL? > musical background composed by Shelbatra Jashari Q: there's the sound of the albanian musician, Shelbatra Jashari - what is the idea with this soundtrack? Judy you made some proposals on an earlier chat, how do you feel about using this existing soundtrack? --- My personal worries and fears: > We never had a big public show like this, with such a physical "mise en sc?ne". The actors and their operator at iMal will have to be very well prepared in order to be efficient. I am worried because we haven't cleared if the actors will communicate freely with their operator (as it was always the case for remote performers) or if we prepare for something more scenical. The "scene" is a great challenge and we should adress this question very soon. > There is quite an intrusive heavy technoid/indus beat in this albanian soundtrack. Makes me very afraid. --- (re)Sources: http://1904.cc/~aether/CMYK_imal/english_version/scenario.htm http://1904.cc/~aether/CMYK_imal/version_francaise/aether-cmyk-stage.htm + 2 chats: http://1904.cc/~aether/CMYK_imal/chat_aether_CMYK_070208.html http://1904.cc/~aether/CMYK_imal/cmyk_chat_080206.html + music: http://1904.cc/~aether/CMYK_imal/shell_1.aiff + other stuff here: http://1904.cc/~aether/CMYK_imal/ --- See you tommorow at rehearsal at 13:00 european time (very early for nyc and colombia i guess!) Boris _______________________________________________ aether mailing list aether at [nospam] 1904.cc http://lists.1904.cc/mailman/listinfo/aether --------------------------------- Ne gardez plus qu'une seule adresse mail ! Copiez vos mails vers Yahoo! 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URL: http://lists.1904.cc/pipermail/aether/attachments/20080210/d4c3aecf/attachment.html From ideacritik at [nospam] yahoo.ca Sun Feb 10 12:48:03 2008 From: ideacritik at [nospam] yahoo.ca (::audrey::) Date: Sun, 10 Feb 2008 03:48:03 -0800 (PST) Subject: [aether] Re : League input Message-ID: <529173.83959.qm {a+} web50203.mail.re2.yahoo.com> > less > concise > formats, > for > example > by > doing > very > long, > 3- > or > 5- > or > 10-hour > performances... forgive/appreciate the poetry re-hash my yahoo seems to be doing lately to anyone who doesn't send plain text emails... in any case, in reply first to lucy's important remark regarding the slowly developping division between directors/performers (my interpretation of her words): -when i wrote the script for WORM performance in october, i would have wished for a more collaborative effort but didnt really get much response (from what i remember). i felt a bit uneasy with this 'director/script writting' role in the beginning but found in the end it made things easier to coordinate. hierarchy usually helps like that ... that said, i now appreciate both approaches as they both can yield interesterestingly different results/styles. in response to manu's suggestion above - i think it a very interesting idea! i can imagine a 24h performance in which our different time zones become apparent as the frame is black when one sleeps for example. our bodily needs such as eating can be incorporated (i am not suggesting becoming some reality show), and long hours of improvisation in between, where also fatigue from these can be interesting (our 'humanity' being emphasized). in any case, i think we should explore this. this idea resonates with me -- a long play session (in the remote sandbox!). fun! audrey - in geneva... D?couvrez les styles qui font sensation sur Yahoo! Qu?bec Avatars. http://cf.avatars.yahoo.com/ From ideacritik at [nospam] yahoo.ca Sun Feb 10 13:33:29 2008 From: ideacritik at [nospam] yahoo.ca (::audrey::) Date: Sun, 10 Feb 2008 04:33:29 -0800 (PST) Subject: [aether] bit from skype which i thought nice Message-ID: <468933.36910.qm {a+} web50207.mail.re2.yahoo.com> paula v?lez 09/02/08 19:21 j'ai vous proposse un nouveau performance [...] paula v?lez 09/02/08 19:21 il etait une fois..... 09/02/08 19:21 [...] paula v?lez 09/02/08 19:22 je le resume: [...] paula v?lez 09/02/08 19:22 rouge, loup, grand mere, kill, .... nathalie 09/02/08 19:22 hi hi 09/02/08 19:22 ciao >> translation: red, wolf, grand-mother, kill... D?couvrez les styles qui font sensation sur Yahoo! Qu?bec Avatars. http://cf.avatars.yahoo.com/ From ciruela at [nospam] une.net.co Sun Feb 10 13:38:13 2008 From: ciruela at [nospam] une.net.co (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?Paula_V=E9lez_Bravo?=) Date: Sun, 10 Feb 2008 07:38:13 -0500 Subject: [aether] Sound Update:: CMYK's FAQ and WEBCAMs, freeform In-Reply-To: <533191.64698.qm {a+} web62314.mail.re1.yahoo.com> References: <533191.64698.qm {a+} web62314.mail.re1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <353CF68C-2BA0-4161-A66F-981F539D9132 {a+} une.net.co> judy: did you planned to do also some ambieint noises? i'm thinking of tthe action of throwing down the writing machine, things like that... ambient sound materialise the images, give more realistic sensation of the objects materials. just asking. see you, i mean, hear you monday. paula El 10/02/2008, a las 3:39, Judy Nylon escribi?: > It is quite late here; just caught up on all the communication > after today's rehearsal. The external cameras are a great addition; > I always wanted it to have some outdoor vision/eyes but understood > that we are still tethered to the camera and laptop in 2008. I have > written text that may be performed flexibly & with the different > "Intensities" as required (will get the words up on site after the > first live run-through). Jonathan had a sick day today so we plan > to work tomorrow (or well today) in the morning; I am ready with > all the pieces and the general plan so we need only assemble. I > have planned samples that will overlay the Albanian artist's MP3 > and will try to use it as a sound cushion (with lots of reverb). I > had the same fears as Boris about the beat which was why I asked > for the individual tracks (which I guess are not available) so that > I could tone it down in Pro Tools. > > It would be fun at some point to do broadcasts that are much longer > and free-form but organizing larger chucks of time with a string of > people and a band of time zones will be a challenge or like a chat > room. It is sort of like jamming which I have never been that > natural/easy with. Must sleep.....But I will aim for the rehearsal > at 20:00 CET....2 PM EST (NY?). I am not worried and feel that "so > far, so good". G'nite, Judy > From ciruela at [nospam] une.net.co Sun Feb 10 14:41:15 2008 From: ciruela at [nospam] une.net.co (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?Paula_V=E9lez_Bravo?=) Date: Sun, 10 Feb 2008 08:41:15 -0500 Subject: [aether] chapperon rouge In-Reply-To: <468933.36910.qm {a+} web50207.mail.re2.yahoo.com> References: <468933.36910.qm {a+} web50207.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Message-ID: hi all. i complete the proposition i did make last chat. the thing is. i have been invited to participate in a month exposition dedicated to "caperucita roja", "la petite chapperon ROuge", "Little Red Riding Hood". They ask me to do a interpretation or video or whatever about this story. I want to write a script for aether and i want to propose it. First off all, to you all. It could be very fun to do this, what do you think. well, there is a second proposition. very soon. in mars, will be MEDELINK festival. And i'm looking for a space to do a performance again talking about the dispositif. (7 and 8 mars 2008) http://medelink.net/2008/ But I must see if there is the palce to do this because i think it will be not only a electronic festival but will have conferences and stuff about technologies. Reactable has been invited and i think it wil be more stuff like this. Just think about Little RED Riding Hood. red, little girl, wolf, grand-mother, kill.... paula El 10/02/2008, a las 7:33, ::audrey:: escribi?: > paula v?lez > 09/02/08 19:21 > j'ai vous proposse un nouveau performance > [...] > paula v?lez > 09/02/08 19:21 > il etait une fois..... > 09/02/08 19:21 > > [...] > > paula v?lez > 09/02/08 19:22 > je le resume: > > [...] > > paula v?lez > 09/02/08 19:22 > rouge, loup, grand mere, kill, .... > > nathalie > 09/02/08 19:22 > hi hi > 09/02/08 19:22 > > ciao > > >>> translation: red, wolf, grand-mother, kill... > > > > > > D?couvrez les styles qui font sensation sur Yahoo! Qu?bec > Avatars. > http://cf.avatars.yahoo.com/ > _______________________________________________ > aether mailing list > aether at [nospam] 1904.cc > http://lists.1904.cc/mailman/listinfo/aether -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.1904.cc/pipermail/aether/attachments/20080210/1616d06b/attachment.html From ciruela at [nospam] une.net.co Sun Feb 10 14:42:47 2008 From: ciruela at [nospam] une.net.co (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?Paula_V=E9lez_Bravo?=) Date: Sun, 10 Feb 2008 08:42:47 -0500 Subject: [aether] Re : INcese sticks CMYK's FAQ and other In-Reply-To: <598054.20246.qm {a+} web50208.mail.re2.yahoo.com> References: <598054.20246.qm {a+} web50208.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <9A7B231F-4881-468F-B29A-57F2F659EBCE {a+} une.net.co> i agree, incense sticks burning will not be visible. but i dont see this in the script anyway. where is it? El 9/02/2008, a las 6:21, ::audrey:: escribi?: > i have a proposal - for ACTII (spade(pique) action-intensity sharp) > - instead of incense sticks burning - which i suspect won't look > like much on the screen (will we even see them?) - what about the > good ol' sparkly stick thingies... like the ones we used in geneva > for the first performance - i've no clue how they are called but > it's a typical birthday thing (in north america at least), they > look like incense sticks, but when light they sparkle all over the > place! > i'll try and go find some now so i can show you later - for those > sceptical of my cheap party tactics :) > > From ideacritik at [nospam] yahoo.ca Sun Feb 10 14:51:04 2008 From: ideacritik at [nospam] yahoo.ca (::audrey::) Date: Sun, 10 Feb 2008 05:51:04 -0800 (PST) Subject: [aether] Re : Re : INcese sticks CMYK's FAQ and other Message-ID: <978502.26404.qm {a+} web50204.mail.re2.yahoo.com> ----- Message initial ---- > De : Paula V?lez Bravo > ? : //// collaborative networked performance //// > Envoy? le : dimanche 10 f?vrier 2008, 14 h 42 min 47 s > Objet : Re: [aether] Re : INcese sticks CMYK's FAQ and other > > i > agree, > incense > sticks > burning > will > not > be > visible. > but > i > dont > see > this > in > the > script > anyway. > where > is > it? incense sticks have replaced the balloon blowing and popping (last action of ACT at 2) because i have a terrible fright of balloons popping - to big even to overcome for the performance... :S really... don't think it is written/replaced online yet. we tried the incense sticks yesterday and apparently it was ok... some sort of voodoo ritual. D?couvrez les styles qui font sensation sur Yahoo! Qu?bec Avatars. http://cf.avatars.yahoo.com/ From theleague at [nospam] imaginaryscience.org Mon Feb 11 01:32:58 2008 From: theleague at [nospam] imaginaryscience.org (The League of Imaginary Scientists) Date: Sun, 10 Feb 2008 16:32:58 -0800 Subject: [aether] Re : League input In-Reply-To: <529173.83959.qm {a+} web50203.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Message-ID: Must emphasize that scripting is obviously crucial and an important development. Would love to play more. (and love the poetic emails) On 2/10/08 3:48 AM, "::audrey::" wrote: > forgive/appreciate the poetry re-hash my yahoo seems to be doing lately to > anyone who doesn't send plain text emails... > > in any case, in reply first to lucy's important remark regarding the slowly > developping division between directors/performers (my interpretation of her > words): > -when i wrote the script for WORM performance in october, i would have wished > for a more collaborative effort but didnt really get much response (from what > i remember). i felt a bit uneasy with this 'director/script writting' role in > the beginning but found in the end it made things easier to coordinate. > hierarchy usually helps like that ... > > that said, i now appreciate both approaches as they both can yield > interesterestingly different results/styles. > > in response to manu's suggestion above - i think it a very interesting idea! i > can imagine a 24h performance in which our different time zones become > apparent as the frame is black when one sleeps for example. our bodily needs > such as eating can be incorporated (i am not suggesting becoming some reality > show), and long hours of improvisation in between, where also fatigue from > these can be interesting (our 'humanity' being emphasized). > > in any case, i think we should explore this. this idea resonates with me -- a > long play session (in the remote sandbox!). fun! > > audrey - in geneva... > > > > D?couvrez les styles qui font sensation sur Yahoo! Qu?bec Avatars. > http://cf.avatars.yahoo.com/ > _______________________________________________ > aether mailing list > aether at [nospam] 1904.cc > http://lists.1904.cc/mailman/listinfo/aether The League of Imaginary Scientists From theleague at [nospam] imaginaryscience.org Mon Feb 11 01:39:51 2008 From: theleague at [nospam] imaginaryscience.org (The League of Imaginary Scientists) Date: Sun, 10 Feb 2008 16:39:51 -0800 Subject: [aether] chapperon rouge In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Little Red Riding Hood ? I wonder if this could be connected with Remote Fairytales... Favorite activities of the League include coming up with (pseudo) artifacts ? perhaps we could display the actual read riding hood, a wolf print, etc., along with the performance...? Anybody interested in revitalizing the very first aether9 performance experience, but instead of gods and earth, change the layers to wolf (gods), humanity (Little Red Riding Hood), and nature (the frightening forest)? Perhaps introduce Manuel?s concept of a non-durational performance during the opening, where people could walk in and out of the performance, perhaps participate in one of the squares... What is dispositif? Lucy/League On 2/10/08 5:41 AM, "Paula V?lez Bravo" wrote: > hi all. > > i complete the proposition i did make last chat. > > the thing is. i have been invited to participate in a month exposition > dedicated to "caperucita roja", "la petite chapperon ROuge", "Little Red > Riding Hood". They ask me to do a interpretation or video or whatever about > this story. > > I want to write a script for aether and i want to propose it. First off all, > to you all. > > It could be very fun to do this, what do you think. > > well, there is a second proposition. > very soon. in mars, will be MEDELINK festival. And i'm looking for a space to > do a performance again talking about the dispositif. (7 and 8 mars 2008) > http://medelink.net/2008/ > But I must see if there is the palce to do this because i think it will be not > only a electronic festival but will have conferences and stuff about > technologies. Reactable has been invited and i think it wil be more stuff like > this. > > Just think about Little RED Riding Hood. > > red, little girl, wolf, grand-mother, kill.... > > paula > > > > El 10/02/2008, a las 7:33, ::audrey:: escribi?: > >> paula v?lez >> 09/02/08 19:21 >> j'ai vous proposse un nouveau performance >> [...] >> paula v?lez >> 09/02/08 19:21 >> il etait une fois..... >> 09/02/08 19:21 >> >> [...] >> >> paula v?lez >> 09/02/08 19:22 >> je le resume: >> >> [...] >> >> paula v?lez >> 09/02/08 19:22 >> rouge, loup, grand mere, kill, .... >> >> nathalie >> 09/02/08 19:22 >> hi hi >> 09/02/08 19:22 >> >> ciao >> >> >> >>>> translation: red, wolf, grand-mother, kill...? >>>> >> >> >> >> >> >> ? ? ? D?couvrez les styles qui font sensation sur Yahoo! 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Everything will actually be done live so that we can respond to the action while is going on. I have also written some words to speak LIVE as was done in the Beckett play. These are also somewhat surrealistic and related to the action of each ACT. They can be performed in any of the ?intensities? as Nathalie wanted. They are on the Aether site as a word doc. .if there are further directions/changes needed. All the treated files are looped and run over the Shell MP3 that was done by Shelbatra Jashari. Her file has been treated to reverb, two flanging against each other. This washes out all the hard cues. IE. We no longer CLEARLY recognize the drums she used or the Bollywood and the Martin Luther King speech clips etc, but it is all there. We also play with the reverb again as it is broadcasting to make it wet or dry sounding .and of course the volume. I could not ?cherry pick? any specific bit of her piece to ?pop out? because all the tracks had already been flattened together. I have (in the DEMO mp3) followed the framework that was in the Shell mp3. The lead in and first Act is approx. 6 minutes long where the caf? sound runs over her single tone to lead in. The first ACT is longer because we need some coverage while people get on stage or on camera. The other Acts are approximately 5 minutes long each. BUT remember except for the Shell mp3/ Shelbatra?s, everything is flexible because they are triggered & treated loops and live voice. I have also put a file with all the samples (notated) used in this piece up in our archive. They are all from the on line data base Freesound that I use and have mentioned before. We are asked to credit them; I am not sure where or how in this situation of usage. In the file on the Aether site, the are color-coded by which ACT they are used in: ACT1 = green, ACT2 = yellow, ACT3 = orange, ACT4 = red, ACT5 = grey. JUDY PS.....another email to follow with unrelated things fougeras nathalie wrote: Hi, today after this rehearsal we'll need to repeat again many frames together (thanks for your presence today), and then the sound 'll come monday (20:00 CET but i can be free the day too if one of you want ) and wednesday (21:00) Thursday we 'll do a rehearsal directly in iMAL in the afternoon and evening because we need to in brussels to arrange the stages in the shot Otherwise, during rehearsals we found it's interesting to have direct webcams in the frames where there are not actions (empty time for a frame = other pictures to send) : so Manuel included in the folder "upload_122" this file call "www_cams.txt" where you can find adress of different webcams if you can check a part of this list to search interesting views during 21h00 CET time.. to search this pictures to add in the empty time of your frame (exemple: a cafe ambiance in the frame 6 with webcam, a building or house view.. ) see you monday in skype cheers Nathalie --------------------------------- Ne gardez plus qu'une seule adresse mail ! Copiez vos mails vers Yahoo! Mail _______________________________________________ aether mailing list aether at [nospam] 1904.cc http://lists.1904.cc/mailman/listinfo/aether --------------------------------- Looking for last minute shopping deals? Find them fast with Yahoo! Search. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.1904.cc/pipermail/aether/attachments/20080210/b39b1ba9/attachment.html From knickerbockerjuju at [nospam] yahoo.com Mon Feb 11 05:36:05 2008 From: knickerbockerjuju at [nospam] yahoo.com (Judy Nylon) Date: Sun, 10 Feb 2008 20:36:05 -0800 (PST) Subject: [aether] Sound Update:: CMYK's FAQ and WEBCAMs, freeform In-Reply-To: <353CF68C-2BA0-4161-A66F-981F539D9132 {a+} une.net.co> Message-ID: <898650.64264.qm {a+} web62311.mail.re1.yahoo.com> Paula.....we are glad to add some absolutely great ambient sound. I just wrote about what I have uploaded onto the Aether site. PS I adore the Red Riding Hood story. I am from the inner city so the woods have always been scary, at least in the USA if not in Europe. JUDY Paula V?lez Bravo wrote: judy: did you planned to do also some ambieint noises? i'm thinking of tthe action of throwing down the writing machine, things like that... ambient sound materialise the images, give more realistic sensation of the objects materials. just asking. see you, i mean, hear you monday. paula El 10/02/2008, a las 3:39, Judy Nylon escribi?: > It is quite late here; just caught up on all the communication > after today's rehearsal. The external cameras are a great addition; > I always wanted it to have some outdoor vision/eyes but understood > that we are still tethered to the camera and laptop in 2008. I have > written text that may be performed flexibly & with the different > "Intensities" as required (will get the words up on site after the > first live run-through). Jonathan had a sick day today so we plan > to work tomorrow (or well today) in the morning; I am ready with > all the pieces and the general plan so we need only assemble. I > have planned samples that will overlay the Albanian artist's MP3 > and will try to use it as a sound cushion (with lots of reverb). I > had the same fears as Boris about the beat which was why I asked > for the individual tracks (which I guess are not available) so that > I could tone it down in Pro Tools. > > It would be fun at some point to do broadcasts that are much longer > and free-form but organizing larger chucks of time with a string of > people and a band of time zones will be a challenge or like a chat > room. It is sort of like jamming which I have never been that > natural/easy with. Must sleep.....But I will aim for the rehearsal > at 20:00 CET....2 PM EST (NY?). I am not worried and feel that "so > far, so good". G'nite, Judy > _______________________________________________ aether mailing list aether at [nospam] 1904.cc http://lists.1904.cc/mailman/listinfo/aether --------------------------------- Never miss a thing. Make Yahoo your homepage. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.1904.cc/pipermail/aether/attachments/20080210/11da16b3/attachment.html From bk at [nospam] n3krozoft.com Mon Feb 11 16:32:16 2008 From: bk at [nospam] n3krozoft.com (bk) Date: Mon, 11 Feb 2008 16:32:16 +0100 Subject: [aether] CMYK - little up-to-date Message-ID: <47B06A80.2070600 {a+} n3krozoft.com> Hello all, Lot's of interesting input recently! A little up-to-date: > So on saturday there was a rehearsal: Audrey, Paula and Boris rehearsed effectively their frames (1,3 and 6) , following instructions of Nathalie. It cleared some of the questions i had :-) > It was decided during this rehearsal (among other things) that the murderous object will be a TYPING-MACHINE (and not a stone as it is written in the script). > For today's rehearsal (8pm europe), Laure told me that her actor, for frame 4, will be there. There has been a discution about the possibility that one actor (Boris who already rehearsed his frame and also frame 4 in fact) would act in 2 frames on the Brussels iMAL plateau: frame 4 AND frame 6 (it is possible as these 2 frames are never active during a same act). In that case, Boris would be running from one set to the other. Personnaly i have no problem doing this, it's exciting, and it would add a specific "performance" feel to the "mise en scene". But i prefer the normal version, with 3 different actors on 3 different sets at iMAL, i find this clearer and more rigorous. 3 sets, 3 actors. Also Laure had the idea that during their passive moments, the actors at iMAL could be playing the "solitaire" or "patience" card game (i am not sure what it is in english). There would be a direct association with the card symbol system and it would be a humorous reference to the condition of laptoppers. > I will ask later today Chlo? if she can be in charge of "frame5" from remote Maastricht location at the performance, and take part to at leat 1 rehearsal. Well that's all for now, i will probably be late for the rehersal, i'll arrive between 20:30 and 21:00, Boris From ciruela at [nospam] une.net.co Mon Feb 11 16:59:00 2008 From: ciruela at [nospam] une.net.co (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?Paula_V=E9lez_Bravo?=) Date: Mon, 11 Feb 2008 10:59:00 -0500 Subject: [aether] CMYK - little up-to-date In-Reply-To: <47B06A80.2070600 {a+} n3krozoft.com> References: <47B06A80.2070600 {a+} n3krozoft.com> Message-ID: <94F50AAE-E455-40FB-BC0A-9C4C4E0A601A {a+} une.net.co> I agree with Boris about the action of playing the "solitaire" when there are the passive moments. cards in the table, playing solitaire. it could be very funny and it will contrast imediatly when we pass to action. > Also Laure had the idea that during their passive moments, the > actors at > iMAL could be playing the "solitaire" or "patience" card game (i am > not > sure what it is in english). There would be a direct association with > the card symbol system and it would be a humorous reference to the > condition of laptoppers. >> I will be ready to rehersal at 20h european time. Paula > > Well that's all for now, > i will probably be late for the rehersal, i'll arrive between 20:30 > and > 21:00, > Boris > _______________________________________________ > aether mailing list > aether at [nospam] 1904.cc > http://lists.1904.cc/mailman/listinfo/aether From fougeras_nathalie at [nospam] yahoo.fr Mon Feb 11 17:34:19 2008 From: fougeras_nathalie at [nospam] yahoo.fr (fougeras nathalie) Date: Mon, 11 Feb 2008 17:34:19 +0100 (CET) Subject: [aether] RE : Re: CMYK - little up-to-date In-Reply-To: <94F50AAE-E455-40FB-BC0A-9C4C4E0A601A {a+} une.net.co> Message-ID: <792600.11373.qm {a+} web26101.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> Hi now I'm a bit full with the rush here.. anyway I'll be online today for the rehearsal like we said at 20:00 (CET) european time see you cheers Nathalie Paula V?lez Bravo a ?crit : I agree with Boris about the action of playing the "solitaire" when there are the passive moments. cards in the table, playing solitaire. it could be very funny and it will contrast imediatly when we pass to action. > Also Laure had the idea that during their passive moments, the > actors at > iMAL could be playing the "solitaire" or "patience" card game (i am > not > sure what it is in english). There would be a direct association with > the card symbol system and it would be a humorous reference to the > condition of laptoppers. >> I will be ready to rehersal at 20h european time. Paula > > Well that's all for now, > i will probably be late for the rehersal, i'll arrive between 20:30 > and > 21:00, > Boris > _______________________________________________ > aether mailing list > aether at [nospam] 1904.cc > http://lists.1904.cc/mailman/listinfo/aether _______________________________________________ aether mailing list aether at [nospam] 1904.cc http://lists.1904.cc/mailman/listinfo/aether --------------------------------- Ne gardez plus qu'une seule adresse mail ! Copiez vos mails vers Yahoo! Mail -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Judy fougeras nathalie wrote: Hi now I'm a bit full with the rush here.. anyway I'll be online today for the rehearsal like we said at 20:00 (CET) european time see you cheers Nathalie Paula V?lez Bravo a ?crit : I agree with Boris about the action of playing the "solitaire" when there are the passive moments. cards in the table, playing solitaire. it could be very funny and it will contrast imediatly when we pass to action. > Also Laure had the idea that during their passive moments, the > actors at > iMAL could be playing the "solitaire" or "patience" card game (i am > not > sure what it is in english). There would be a direct association with > the card symbol system and it would be a humorous reference to the > condition of laptoppers. >> I will be ready to rehersal at 20h european time. Paula > > Well that's all for now, > i will probably be late for the rehersal, i'll arrive between 20:30 > and > 21:00, > Boris > _______________________________________________ > aether mailing list > aether at [nospam] 1904.cc > http://lists.1904.cc/mailman/listinfo/aether _______________________________________________ aether mailing list aether at [nospam] 1904.cc http://lists.1904.cc/mailman/listinfo/aether --------------------------------- Ne gardez plus qu'une seule adresse mail ! Copiez vos mails vers Yahoo! Mail _______________________________________________ aether mailing list aether at [nospam] 1904.cc http://lists.1904.cc/mailman/listinfo/aether --------------------------------- Be a better friend, newshound, and know-it-all with Yahoo! Mobile. Try it now. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.1904.cc/pipermail/aether/attachments/20080211/34c07787/attachment.html From 1.1 [*] 1904.cc Thu Feb 14 12:48:04 2008 From: 1.1 [*] 1904.cc (1.1.1904) Date: Thu, 14 Feb 2008 12:48:04 +0100 Subject: [aether] next CMYK rehearsal Message-ID: hi all, i'm writing from brussel, we're right now at imal installing things... we propose you a rehearsal for tomorrow, Friday 15th: the best time frame here is from 13:30 to 15:00 brussels time (the space will be free for us in this time). another possibility is later from ca. 15:00 (people from placard will be installing, but it should possible to work in this time). also, we are going to make a rehearsal this late afternoon / evening. if anybody wants to be online with us then, send us a sms message.. manuel +41764364679 From ideacritik at [nospam] yahoo.ca Thu Feb 14 13:44:58 2008 From: ideacritik at [nospam] yahoo.ca (::audrey::) Date: Thu, 14 Feb 2008 04:44:58 -0800 (PST) Subject: [aether] Re : next CMYK rehearsal Message-ID: <446683.37791.qm {a+} web50207.mail.re2.yahoo.com> hi all, i'm only available after 11pm tonight. and tomorrow i teach till 5pm (17h). so i'm not sure where that leaves me. audrey ----- Message initial ---- > De : 1.1.1904 <1.1 [*] 1904.cc> > ? : aether at [nospam] 1904.cc > Envoy? le : jeudi 14 f?vrier 2008, 12 h 48 min 04 s > Objet : [aether] next CMYK rehearsal > > hi all, > > i'm writing from brussel, we're right now at imal installing things... > > we propose you a rehearsal for tomorrow, Friday 15th: > > the best time frame here is from 13:30 to 15:00 brussels time (the > space will be free for us in this time). > > another possibility is later from ca. 15:00 (people from placard will > be installing, but it should possible to work in this time). > > also, we are going to make a rehearsal this late afternoon / evening. > if anybody wants to be online with us then, send us a sms message.. > > manuel > +41764364679 > > _______________________________________________ > aether mailing list > aether at [nospam] 1904.cc > http://lists.1904.cc/mailman/listinfo/aether > D?couvrez les styles qui font sensation sur Yahoo! Qu?bec Avatars. http://cf.avatars.yahoo.com/ From 1.1 [*] 1904.cc Thu Feb 14 16:20:20 2008 From: 1.1 [*] 1904.cc (1.1.1904) Date: Thu, 14 Feb 2008 16:20:20 +0100 Subject: [aether] today's CMYK rehearsal In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: precision: for the online performers able to attend: the rehearsal tonight will be at 23h00 Brussels time that's 17h00 (5:00 pm) in New York and in Colombia. ../ manuel From ciruela at [nospam] une.net.co Thu Feb 14 17:59:46 2008 From: ciruela at [nospam] une.net.co (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?Paula_V=E9lez_Bravo?=) Date: Thu, 14 Feb 2008 11:59:46 -0500 Subject: [aether] today's CMYK rehearsal In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: i'll be there--- outerspace. tonight. paula El 14/02/2008, a las 10:20, 1.1.1904 escribi?: > precision: > > for the online performers able to attend: > > the rehearsal tonight will be at 23h00 Brussels time > that's 17h00 (5:00 pm) in New York and in Colombia. > > ../ > manuel > > _______________________________________________ > aether mailing list > aether at [nospam] 1904.cc > http://lists.1904.cc/mailman/listinfo/aether From ideacritik at [nospam] yahoo.ca Thu Feb 14 23:46:30 2008 From: ideacritik at [nospam] yahoo.ca (::audrey::) Date: Thu, 14 Feb 2008 14:46:30 -0800 (PST) Subject: [aether] Re : Re : next CMYK rehearsal Message-ID: <157686.25193.qm {a+} web50204.mail.re2.yahoo.com> shit. misscommunication... i've just got back - i'm dead *and* my camerawoman is deathly ill... (but at least i finally got to rotterdam!) luckily i found another volunteer for the perfo and also potentially tomorow if there is another rehearsal after 17h brussels time. i saw the http://1904.cc/~aether/CMYK_imal/english_version/aether-cmyk-stage.htm has not been updated - has the color thing changed then? or does it stay the same. apologies for frustrations in waiting. how's the setup going on there? till soon, audrey ps my # is +31 6 43 19 77 43 D?couvrez les styles qui font sensation sur Yahoo! Qu?bec Avatars. http://cf.avatars.yahoo.com/ From fougeras_nathalie at [nospam] yahoo.fr Fri Feb 15 10:50:03 2008 From: fougeras_nathalie at [nospam] yahoo.fr (fougeras nathalie) Date: Fri, 15 Feb 2008 10:50:03 +0100 (CET) Subject: [aether] RE : Re : Re : next CMYK rehearsal In-Reply-To: <157686.25193.qm {a+} web50204.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <163700.15422.qm {a+} web26105.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> yes we have a rehearsal tomorrow at 13:00 brussels time after it's not possible because other group repeat and session of Le Placard begin, also me I need to check with other group and artist about other events Saturday and Sunday the color in stage not change now yes because here in the spot we need to keep the same color signal localisation in the space by color in the stages see you cheers Nathalie : audrey: : Thu Feb 14 22: 46: 30 at [nospam] yahoo.com, UNEXPECTED_DATA_AFTER_ADDRESS_IN_GROUP at .SYNTAX-ERROR.;;;;;, "::audrey::" a ?crit : shit. misscommunication... i've just got back - i'm dead *and* my camerawoman is deathly ill... (but at least i finally got to rotterdam!) luckily i found another volunteer for the perfo and also potentially tomorow if there is another rehearsal after 17h brussels time. i saw the http://1904.cc/~aether/CMYK_imal/english_version/aether-cmyk-stage.htm has not been updated - has the color thing changed then? or does it stay the same. apologies for frustrations in waiting. how's the setup going on there? till soon, audrey ps my # is +31 6 43 19 77 43 D?couvrez les styles qui font sensation sur Yahoo! Qu?bec Avatars. http://cf.avatars.yahoo.com/ _______________________________________________ aether mailing list aether at [nospam] 1904.cc http://lists.1904.cc/mailman/listinfo/aether --------------------------------- Ne gardez plus qu'une seule adresse mail ! Copiez vos mails vers Yahoo! Mail -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Good day good night, it is looking good here at iMAL, looking forwards, Boris From ciruela at [nospam] une.net.co Fri Feb 15 21:51:37 2008 From: ciruela at [nospam] une.net.co (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?Paula_V=E9lez_Bravo?=) Date: Fri, 15 Feb 2008 15:51:37 -0500 Subject: [aether] Important detail!!! In-Reply-To: <47B5E59D.2040309 {a+} n3krozoft.com> References: <47B5E59D.2040309 {a+} n3krozoft.com> Message-ID: > so you mean, play solitary in my chair passive way. or you mean... solitary play cards in close up? paula >> what happens when the frames are "passive"? > Then the actors must play the "solitaire" card game. We decided not to > stream "other stuff" but keep the card symbol reference and most > important to stay with the actor, or rather the action. This will > prevent attention disorders and more ritalin sales. > From chloecramer at [nospam] gmail.com Sat Feb 16 00:05:16 2008 From: chloecramer at [nospam] gmail.com (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?chlo=E9_cramer?=) Date: Sat, 16 Feb 2008 00:05:16 +0100 Subject: [aether] chapperon rouge In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <3d22b5760802151505i2524e373q6ccf93209ae02b08 {a+} mail.gmail.com> hello all, about PETIT CHAPERON ROUGEI'd like to take part to the script developpment. I like this idea very much and I am very willing to try to integrate the chaotic touch again, but to keep the organised structure too... let's gather soo to chat about it, and Paula, if you allready have any written proposition, please send it... -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.1904.cc/pipermail/aether/attachments/20080216/b0956887/attachment.html From bk at [nospam] n3krozoft.com Sat Feb 16 11:49:36 2008 From: bk at [nospam] n3krozoft.com (bk) Date: Sat, 16 Feb 2008 11:49:36 +0100 Subject: [aether] Important detail!!! In-Reply-To: References: <47B5E59D.2040309 {a+} n3krozoft.com> Message-ID: <47B6BFC0.6050606 {a+} n3krozoft.com> Here the important thing is that the cards are seen. Your operator can do close-ups some time on hands and cards but also "not so close-ups" shots where we see you playing cards. I guess that for you it will be necessary to change the camera angle. Audrey for instance will play on the ground, the camera looking from above. You can ask more questions by mail of course, we will be checking regularly. See you later, Boris Paula V?lez Bravo wrote: > so you mean, play solitary in my chair passive way. or you mean... > solitary play cards in close up? > > paula > > >>> what happens when the frames are "passive"? >>> >> Then the actors must play the "solitaire" card game. We decided not to >> stream "other stuff" but keep the card symbol reference and most >> important to stay with the actor, or rather the action. This will >> prevent attention disorders and more ritalin sales. >> >> > _______________________________________________ > aether mailing list > aether at [nospam] 1904.cc > http://lists.1904.cc/mailman/listinfo/aether > > From lauredinateur at [nospam] yahoo.de Sat Feb 16 11:54:40 2008 From: lauredinateur at [nospam] yahoo.de (laure deselys) Date: Sat, 16 Feb 2008 11:54:40 +0100 (CET) Subject: [aether] Important detail!!! In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <22607.26229.qm {a+} web26702.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> paula i think you simply play solitaire on you table, the other frames will make comprehensive that its solitaire that you're playing. see u later laure --- Paula V?lez Bravo schrieb: > > > so you mean, play solitary in my chair passive way. > or you mean... > solitary play cards in close up? > > paula > > >> what happens when the frames are "passive"? > > Then the actors must play the "solitaire" card > game. We decided not to > > stream "other stuff" but keep the card symbol > reference and most > > important to stay with the actor, or rather the > action. This will > > prevent attention disorders and more ritalin > sales. > > > _______________________________________________ > aether mailing list > aether at [nospam] 1904.cc > http://lists.1904.cc/mailman/listinfo/aether > Lesen Sie Ihre E-Mails auf dem Handy. www.yahoo.de/go From bk at [nospam] n3krozoft.com Sat Feb 16 12:04:46 2008 From: bk at [nospam] n3krozoft.com (bk) Date: Sat, 16 Feb 2008 12:04:46 +0100 Subject: [aether] Important detail!!! In-Reply-To: <22607.26229.qm {a+} web26702.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> References: <22607.26229.qm {a+} web26702.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <47B6C34E.5060807 {a+} n3krozoft.com> laure deselys wrote: > paula > > > i think you simply play solitaire on you table, the > other frames will make comprehensive that its > solitaire that you're playing. > Mmmh... no, i don't agree. The cards must appear. This is what we have agreed with Audrey as well, so we must keep coherence. If you play on a table with camera at a 4m. distance, the image will not show the cards, it will just be a general view. Focus has to be made on the cards. See you, Boris > see u later > > laure > --- Paula V?lez Bravo schrieb: > > >> so you mean, play solitary in my chair passive way. >> or you mean... >> solitary play cards in close up? >> >> paula >> >> >>>> what happens when the frames are "passive"? >>>> >>> Then the actors must play the "solitaire" card >>> >> game. We decided not to >> >>> stream "other stuff" but keep the card symbol >>> >> reference and most >> >>> important to stay with the actor, or rather the >>> >> action. This will >> >>> prevent attention disorders and more ritalin >>> >> sales. >> >> _______________________________________________ >> aether mailing list >> aether at [nospam] 1904.cc >> http://lists.1904.cc/mailman/listinfo/aether >> >> > > > > Lesen Sie Ihre E-Mails auf dem Handy. > www.yahoo.de/go > _______________________________________________ > aether mailing list > aether at [nospam] 1904.cc > http://lists.1904.cc/mailman/listinfo/aether > > From knickerbockerjuju at [nospam] yahoo.com Sat Feb 16 15:39:27 2008 From: knickerbockerjuju at [nospam] yahoo.com (Judy Nylon) Date: Sat, 16 Feb 2008 06:39:27 -0800 (PST) Subject: [aether] Update on Sound In-Reply-To: <47B6C34E.5060807 {a+} n3krozoft.com> Message-ID: <235385.68828.qm {a+} web62302.mail.re1.yahoo.com> The audio set was taken apart again last night. The rhythm in ACT5 was run through a few more plug-ins until it is closer to being a pulse than a drum sound. The very begining of CYMK (the underlying shell.mp3) has been shortened....to match the length of the rest of the acts. We now also have the sound of 'cards being played' whenever you are visually playing solitare. Good Luck All, Judy bk wrote: laure deselys wrote: > paula > > > i think you simply play solitaire on you table, the > other frames will make comprehensive that its > solitaire that you're playing. > Mmmh... no, i don't agree. The cards must appear. This is what we have agreed with Audrey as well, so we must keep coherence. If you play on a table with camera at a 4m. distance, the image will not show the cards, it will just be a general view. Focus has to be made on the cards. See you, Boris > see u later > > laure > --- Paula V?lez Bravo schrieb: > > >> so you mean, play solitary in my chair passive way. >> or you mean... >> solitary play cards in close up? >> >> paula >> >> >>>> what happens when the frames are "passive"? >>>> >>> Then the actors must play the "solitaire" card >>> >> game. We decided not to >> >>> stream "other stuff" but keep the card symbol >>> >> reference and most >> >>> important to stay with the actor, or rather the >>> >> action. This will >> >>> prevent attention disorders and more ritalin >>> >> sales. >> >> _______________________________________________ >> aether mailing list >> aether at [nospam] 1904.cc >> http://lists.1904.cc/mailman/listinfo/aether >> >> > > > > Lesen Sie Ihre E-Mails auf dem Handy. > www.yahoo.de/go > _______________________________________________ > aether mailing list > aether at [nospam] 1904.cc > http://lists.1904.cc/mailman/listinfo/aether > > _______________________________________________ aether mailing list aether at [nospam] 1904.cc http://lists.1904.cc/mailman/listinfo/aether --------------------------------- Be a better friend, newshound, and know-it-all with Yahoo! Mobile. Try it now. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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In-Reply-To: <22607.26229.qm {a+} web26702.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> References: <22607.26229.qm {a+} web26702.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> Message-ID: yes, i prefer not to move the camera from it place. ok undestood :) p El 16/02/2008, a las 5:54, laure deselys escribi?: > paula > > > i think you simply play solitaire on you table, the > other frames will make comprehensive that its > solitaire that you're playing. > > > see u later > > laure > --- Paula V?lez Bravo schrieb: > >>> >> so you mean, play solitary in my chair passive way. >> or you mean... >> solitary play cards in close up? >> >> paula >> >>>> what happens when the frames are "passive"? >>> Then the actors must play the "solitaire" card >> game. We decided not to >>> stream "other stuff" but keep the card symbol >> reference and most >>> important to stay with the actor, or rather the >> action. This will >>> prevent attention disorders and more ritalin >> sales. >>> >> _______________________________________________ >> aether mailing list >> aether at [nospam] 1904.cc >> http://lists.1904.cc/mailman/listinfo/aether >> > > > > Lesen Sie Ihre E-Mails auf dem Handy. > www.yahoo.de/go > _______________________________________________ > aether mailing list > aether at [nospam] 1904.cc > http://lists.1904.cc/mailman/listinfo/aether From ciruela at [nospam] une.net.co Sat Feb 16 16:20:32 2008 From: ciruela at [nospam] une.net.co (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?Paula_V=E9lez_Bravo?=) Date: Sat, 16 Feb 2008 10:20:32 -0500 Subject: [aether] Important detail!!! In-Reply-To: <47B6C34E.5060807 {a+} n3krozoft.com> References: <22607.26229.qm {a+} web26702.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> <47B6C34E.5060807 {a+} n3krozoft.com> Message-ID: what do you say if i play cards in the wall? scothing it? why not? well, just thinking at loud... writing without thinking. maybe is not very good as well. it is just the camera fixed in a "cadre" and i dont think it is a good idea to use it. maybe i can be writing in the typing machine... i think it could be good. or even play with cards and let them fall down... p El 16/02/2008, a las 6:04, bk escribi?: > > > laure deselys wrote: >> paula >> >> >> i think you simply play solitaire on you table, the >> other frames will make comprehensive that its >> solitaire that you're playing. >> > Mmmh... no, i don't agree. The cards must appear. This is what we have > agreed with Audrey as well, so we must keep coherence. If you play > on a > table with camera at a 4m. distance, the image will not show the > cards, > it will just be a general view. Focus has to be made on the cards. > See you, > Boris > > > > >> see u later >> >> laure >> --- Paula V?lez Bravo schrieb: >> >> >>> so you mean, play solitary in my chair passive way. >>> or you mean... >>> solitary play cards in close up? >>> >>> paula >>> >>> >>>>> what happens when the frames are "passive"? >>>>> >>>> Then the actors must play the "solitaire" card >>>> >>> game. We decided not to >>> >>>> stream "other stuff" but keep the card symbol >>>> >>> reference and most >>> >>>> important to stay with the actor, or rather the >>>> >>> action. This will >>> >>>> prevent attention disorders and more ritalin >>>> >>> sales. >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> aether mailing list >>> aether at [nospam] 1904.cc >>> http://lists.1904.cc/mailman/listinfo/aether >>> >>> >> >> >> >> Lesen Sie Ihre E-Mails auf dem Handy. >> www.yahoo.de/go >> _______________________________________________ >> aether mailing list >> aether at [nospam] 1904.cc >> http://lists.1904.cc/mailman/listinfo/aether >> >> > _______________________________________________ > aether mailing list > aether at [nospam] 1904.cc > http://lists.1904.cc/mailman/listinfo/aether From ideacritik at [nospam] yahoo.ca Sat Feb 16 18:21:38 2008 From: ideacritik at [nospam] yahoo.ca (::audrey::) Date: Sat, 16 Feb 2008 09:21:38 -0800 (PST) Subject: [aether] Re : Important detail!!! Message-ID: <763732.96668.qm {a+} web50208.mail.re2.yahoo.com> for the 'grey' paula and i are to upload at beginning and end: -i just made a test, #333333 grey uploaded in frame 1. i don't like it so much. i think it should be black, or perhaps #111111...well very dark empty scene. dunno, up to you but have a look at frame1 when you have a moment... paula: the file i uploaded is the 'grey.gif' file from the ones i sent you. audrey D?couvrez les styles qui font sensation sur Yahoo! Qu?bec Avatars. http://cf.avatars.yahoo.com/ From ideacritik at [nospam] yahoo.ca Sat Feb 16 18:23:51 2008 From: ideacritik at [nospam] yahoo.ca (::audrey::) Date: Sat, 16 Feb 2008 09:23:51 -0800 (PST) Subject: [aether] Re : Important detail!!! Message-ID: <178549.14259.qm {a+} web50210.mail.re2.yahoo.com> ----- Message initial ---- > De : Paula V?lez Bravo > what do you say if i play cards in the wall? scothing it? why not? i personnaly love this idea! especially since your camera position is always 'looking up' at you. does it work in practice to tape cards to the wall as you are playing? or are they 'pre-scothed' ? D?couvrez les styles qui font sensation sur Yahoo! Qu?bec Avatars. http://cf.avatars.yahoo.com/ From bk at [nospam] n3krozoft.com Sat Feb 16 18:53:09 2008 From: bk at [nospam] n3krozoft.com (bk) Date: Sat, 16 Feb 2008 18:53:09 +0100 Subject: [aether] Update on Sound In-Reply-To: <235385.68828.qm {a+} web62302.mail.re1.yahoo.com> References: <235385.68828.qm {a+} web62302.mail.re1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <47B72305.8050201 {a+} n3krozoft.com> Great. Maybe can you prepare some "neutral" sound(s) to stream during the 5 minutes before the show? Boris Judy Nylon wrote: > The audio set was taken apart again last night. The rhythm in ACT5 was > run through a few more plug-ins until it is closer to being a pulse > than a drum sound. The very begining of CYMK (the underlying > shell.mp3) has been shortened....to match the length of the rest of > the acts. We now also have the sound of 'cards being played' whenever > you are visually playing solitare. > > Good Luck All, > Judy > > */bk /* wrote: > > > > laure deselys wrote: > > paula > > > > > > i think you simply play solitaire on you table, the > > other frames will make comprehensive that its > > solitaire that you're playing. > > > Mmmh... no, i don't agree. The cards must appear. This is what we > have > agreed with Audrey as well, so we must keep coherence. If you play > on a > table with camera at a 4m. distance, the image will not show the > cards, > it will just be a general view. Focus has to be made on the cards. > See you, > Boris > > > > > > see u later > > > > laure > > --- Paula V?lez Bravo schrieb: > > > > > >> so you mean, play solitary in my chair passive way. > >> or you mean... > >> solitary play cards in close up? > >> > >> paula > >> > >> > >>>> what happens when the frames are "passive"? > >>>> > >>> Then the actors must play the "solitaire" card > >>> > >> game. We decided not to > >> > >>> stream "other stuff" but keep the card symbol > >>> > >> reference and most > >> > >>> important to stay with the actor, or rather the > >>> > >> action. This will > >> > >>> prevent attention disorders and more ritalin > >>> > >> sales. > >> > >> _______________________________________________ > >> aether mailing list > >> aether at [nospam] 1904.cc > >> http://lists.1904.cc/mailman/listinfo/aether > >> > >> > > > > > > > > Lesen Sie Ihre E-Mails auf dem Handy. > > www.yahoo.de/go > > _______________________________________________ > > aether mailing list > > aether at [nospam] 1904.cc > > http://lists.1904.cc/mailman/listinfo/aether > > > > > _______________________________________________ > aether mailing list > aether at [nospam] 1904.cc > http://lists.1904.cc/mailman/listinfo/aether > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > Be a better friend, newshound, and know-it-all with Yahoo! Mobile. Try > it now. > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > _______________________________________________ > aether mailing list > aether at [nospam] 1904.cc > http://lists.1904.cc/mailman/listinfo/aether > From bk at [nospam] n3krozoft.com Sat Feb 16 18:55:18 2008 From: bk at [nospam] n3krozoft.com (bk) Date: Sat, 16 Feb 2008 18:55:18 +0100 Subject: [aether] Re : Important detail!!! In-Reply-To: <178549.14259.qm {a+} web50210.mail.re2.yahoo.com> References: <178549.14259.qm {a+} web50210.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <47B72386.1030204 {a+} n3krozoft.com> >> what do you say if i play cards in the wall? scothing it? why not? >> > > > i personnaly love this idea! especially since your camera position is always 'looking up' at you. does it work in practice to tape cards to the wall as you are playing? or are they 'pre-scothed' ? > Sure, but please make sure that you zoom on it, that it is clearly visible in the little screen. See you very soon, the conference here is just over, Boris > > > > D?couvrez les styles qui font sensation sur Yahoo! Qu?bec Avatars. > http://cf.avatars.yahoo.com/ > _______________________________________________ > aether mailing list > aether at [nospam] 1904.cc > http://lists.1904.cc/mailman/listinfo/aether > > From lauredinateur at [nospam] yahoo.de Sat Feb 16 19:27:13 2008 From: lauredinateur at [nospam] yahoo.de (laure deselys) Date: Sat, 16 Feb 2008 19:27:13 +0100 (CET) Subject: [aether] Important detail!!! In-Reply-To: <47B6C34E.5060807 {a+} n3krozoft.com> Message-ID: <231695.81250.qm {a+} web26707.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> paula as u want and ay u feel but since u will not be alone to play cards- less obvious screens of the action " playing cards" will be comprehensive and personally i do both here with the actor people are around here in imal kiss laire --- bk schrieb: > > > laure deselys wrote: > > paula > > > > > > i think you simply play solitaire on you table, > the > > other frames will make comprehensive that its > > solitaire that you're playing. > > > Mmmh... no, i don't agree. The cards must appear. > This is what we have > agreed with Audrey as well, so we must keep > coherence. If you play on a > table with camera at a 4m. distance, the image will > not show the cards, > it will just be a general view. Focus has to be made > on the cards. > See you, > Boris > > > > > > see u later > > > > laure > > --- Paula V?lez Bravo > schrieb: > > > > > >> so you mean, play solitary in my chair passive > way. > >> or you mean... > >> solitary play cards in close up? > >> > >> paula > >> > >> > >>>> what happens when the frames are "passive"? > >>>> > >>> Then the actors must play the "solitaire" card > >>> > >> game. We decided not to > >> > >>> stream "other stuff" but keep the card symbol > >>> > >> reference and most > >> > >>> important to stay with the actor, or rather the > >>> > >> action. This will > >> > >>> prevent attention disorders and more ritalin > >>> > >> sales. > >> > >> _______________________________________________ > >> aether mailing list > >> aether at [nospam] 1904.cc > >> http://lists.1904.cc/mailman/listinfo/aether > >> > >> > > > > > > > > Lesen Sie Ihre E-Mails auf dem Handy. > > www.yahoo.de/go > > _______________________________________________ > > aether mailing list > > aether at [nospam] 1904.cc > > http://lists.1904.cc/mailman/listinfo/aether > > > > > _______________________________________________ > aether mailing list > aether at [nospam] 1904.cc > http://lists.1904.cc/mailman/listinfo/aether > Jetzt Mails schnell in einem Vorschaufenster ?berfliegen. Dies und viel mehr bietet das neue Yahoo! Mail - www.yahoo.de/mail From ciruela at [nospam] une.net.co Sat Feb 16 20:22:10 2008 From: ciruela at [nospam] une.net.co (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?Paula_V=E9lez_Bravo?=) Date: Sat, 16 Feb 2008 14:22:10 -0500 Subject: [aether] Re : Important detail!!! In-Reply-To: <178549.14259.qm {a+} web50210.mail.re2.yahoo.com> References: <178549.14259.qm {a+} web50210.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <0D97C06E-5150-4285-8BD9-BF267A079E4F {a+} une.net.co> the cards are pre-scothch of course p El 16/02/2008, a las 12:23, ::audrey:: escribi?: > > > ----- Message initial ---- >> De : Paula V?lez Bravo > >> what do you say if i play cards in the wall? scothing it? why not? > > > i personnaly love this idea! especially since your camera position > is always 'looking up' at you. does it work in practice to tape > cards to the wall as you are playing? or are they 'pre-scothed' ? > > > > > > > D?couvrez les styles qui font sensation sur Yahoo! Qu?bec > Avatars. > http://cf.avatars.yahoo.com/ > _______________________________________________ > aether mailing list > aether at [nospam] 1904.cc > http://lists.1904.cc/mailman/listinfo/aether From fe2cruz at [nospam] hotmail.com Sat Feb 16 21:58:50 2008 From: fe2cruz at [nospam] hotmail.com (christiaan cruz) Date: Sat, 16 Feb 2008 12:58:50 -0800 Subject: [aether] aether Digest, Vol 10, Issue 9 In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: congratulations stream on you-ers watched cmyk from my work found a webcam link and saw boris give the intro too hope I can get my computers back up and running and contribute to the little red riding hood show -c -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.1904.cc/pipermail/aether/attachments/20080216/f4b7f6ce/attachment.html From milena.sz at [nospam] gmail.com Sun Feb 17 00:59:09 2008 From: milena.sz at [nospam] gmail.com (milena sz.) Date: Sat, 16 Feb 2008 21:59:09 -0200 Subject: [aether] we are live now! >> Brazil >> Oneself Cellphone / Mobile Webtv Live Broadcast Message-ID: <6774ef3e0802161559u586ab006gf1c8355e120121f5 {a+} mail.gmail.com> Hi everybody, to understand our project a little... "[?] *Mobile Webtv Live Broadcast* proposes a media innovation based on an all times Brazilian favorites street characters (...) that fits the body ergonomically to allow us to continue walking around with this mobile web television via mobile phones (mobile communication, real-time)" more about (pictures etc) here: http//:blog.manifesto21.com.br MOBILE WEBTV LIVE BROADCAST www.manifesto21.com.br -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.1904.cc/pipermail/aether/attachments/20080216/4831f625/attachment.html From cymnet at [nospam] gmail.com Sun Feb 17 01:22:23 2008 From: cymnet at [nospam] gmail.com (cym net) Date: Sun, 17 Feb 2008 01:22:23 +0100 Subject: [aether] aether Digest, Vol 10, Issue 9 In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <95c795f70802161622l4f0348a2m15a394ac10af7dfd {a+} mail.gmail.com> here too, very good! was very nice to watch and listen! cym On Feb 16, 2008 9:58 PM, christiaan cruz wrote: > > congratulations stream on you-ers > watched cmyk from my work > found a webcam link and saw boris give the intro too > > hope I can get my computers back up and running > and contribute to the little red riding hood show > > -c > > _______________________________________________ > aether mailing list > aether at [nospam] 1904.cc > http://lists.1904.cc/mailman/listinfo/aether > > From theleague at [nospam] imaginaryscience.org Sun Feb 17 10:15:11 2008 From: theleague at [nospam] imaginaryscience.org (The League of Imaginary Scientists) Date: Sun, 17 Feb 2008 01:15:11 -0800 Subject: [aether] aether Digest, Vol 10, Issue 9 In-Reply-To: <95c795f70802161622l4f0348a2m15a394ac10af7dfd {a+} mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: Second-ed (third-ed, really) by the League! On 2/16/08 4:22 PM, "cym net" wrote: > here too, very good! was very nice to watch and listen! > > cym > > > On Feb 16, 2008 9:58 PM, christiaan cruz wrote: >> >> congratulations stream on you-ers >> watched cmyk from my work >> found a webcam link and saw boris give the intro too >> >> hope I can get my computers back up and running >> and contribute to the little red riding hood show >> >> -c >> >> _______________________________________________ >> aether mailing list >> aether at [nospam] 1904.cc >> http://lists.1904.cc/mailman/listinfo/aether >> >> > _______________________________________________ > aether mailing list > aether at [nospam] 1904.cc > http://lists.1904.cc/mailman/listinfo/aether The League of Imaginary Scientists From chloecramer at [nospam] gmail.com Sun Feb 17 10:45:38 2008 From: chloecramer at [nospam] gmail.com (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?chlo=E9_cramer?=) Date: Sun, 17 Feb 2008 10:45:38 +0100 Subject: [aether] aether Digest, Vol 10, Issue 9 In-Reply-To: References: <95c795f70802161622l4f0348a2m15a394ac10af7dfd {a+} mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <3d22b5760802170145p6ee11a3fx87df3ee08dca2381 {a+} mail.gmail.com> Hello aether, Congratulations, everything went ok. On my side, people thought that it was a quite dark performance. They liked the process but not the story. Personnally, I have to say that I'd prefere to investigate either a "spatial-formal experience" (like Beckett's) or a lighter screenplay, with comic sides. It is very special to write for this specific form... Closer to Middle Age Pictures than cinema, as there are this many "stories" side by side. If a linear character walks from one frame to the other, can it be something else than a Figure? What are the forms that we have in common? Is it necessary to tell a story with a dramatic Action? Shouldn't the drama be a formal stake? (in the Ghost trio,there are very few hints to the characters interiority and the dramatic climax comes with a unique close up on his face...) I'd like to think of this questions for the "Little red cap". Hope Brussel crew had a nice party all the best to you all Chlo? -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.1904.cc/pipermail/aether/attachments/20080217/2ccac87a/attachment.html From fougeras_nathalie at [nospam] yahoo.fr Sun Feb 17 11:12:13 2008 From: fougeras_nathalie at [nospam] yahoo.fr (fougeras nathalie) Date: Sun, 17 Feb 2008 11:12:13 +0100 (CET) Subject: [aether] feed-back of the performance at iMAL In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <580289.33804.qm {a+} web26114.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> Hi thanks all and thank you Judy, Jonathan, Richard, Boris, Laure, Chlo?, Manuel, Paula, Audrey, It was interesting to work on this new form of writing between the spot and online here in the spot the play in a stage/frame was also a different approach between for exemple the assistent and the actor - sometimes assistent became actor too when i decided in the act IV to finish my cigarette and to send a video recorded of the play with cards.. but also many other things like what happens with play in the stage in the spot when the actor don't play all the time in the frame.. - so we can think about the process of writing for this interface, the story is more an application to play, so i see really many kinds of story can be played and time to extend with for exemple too changement of the tension in the duration like short news to play.. i like thisidea to play a long time I talked with Manuel about that The guest Pascale Barret told me she prefered to not follow a clock but to watch action in the interface and to feel how she wanted to call an other intensity-symbol, - also because she perform herself she had a feel with that she told too - so sometimes she wanted to test how we can play an action she know already in the same act in order to see a new transition between action.. to see how the actor manage this improvisation of transitions between actions.. see you cheers Nathalie christiaan cruz a ?crit : .hmmessage P { margin:0px; padding:0px } body.hmmessage { FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY:Tahoma } congratulations stream on you-ers watched cmyk from my work found a webcam link and saw boris give the intro too hope I can get my computers back up and running and contribute to the little red riding hood show -c _______________________________________________ aether mailing list aether at [nospam] 1904.cc http://lists.1904.cc/mailman/listinfo/aether --------------------------------- Ne gardez plus qu'une seule adresse mail ! Copiez vos mails vers Yahoo! Mail -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.1904.cc/pipermail/aether/attachments/20080217/a55cd05e/attachment.html From knickerbockerjuju at [nospam] yahoo.com Sun Feb 17 15:51:13 2008 From: knickerbockerjuju at [nospam] yahoo.com (Judy Nylon) Date: Sun, 17 Feb 2008 06:51:13 -0800 (PST) Subject: [aether] feed-back of the performance at iMAL In-Reply-To: <580289.33804.qm {a+} web26114.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <978391.66236.qm {a+} web62314.mail.re1.yahoo.com> Yes. The form of writing like this is very interesting; working with the build-in factors of the tech and the venue without considering them as limitations. Certainly each viewer will prefer the style/story of one performance over the other. However, we are building a lexicon of the 'Aether voice'. This was a darker existential note. Performing a longer, more complex piece later will need many different notes to shape such a piece. I thought the card playing worked well to make sure there was layered action going on at all times. Having guests, particularly, guests streaming, does open our options if we pay attention and really control 'who and when' they enter Aether world. It was harder than anticipated to change the intensity of the voice from one act to the other for me because I was speaking through the plugin that made it all sound the same; maybe that was just inexperience. What this has in common with cinema is that the actions are 'life-like' while having to be performed faster than life. A pitfall in indie cinema (beside editing that is too light-handed) is that it gets boring if the pace of the performance is too natural. Anyway, it was fun to do and lots to think about. You must be fatigued today, Nathalie.... JUDY fougeras nathalie wrote: Hi thanks all and thank you Judy, Jonathan, Richard, Boris, Laure, Chlo?, Manuel, Paula, Audrey, It was interesting to work on this new form of writing between the spot and online here in the spot the play in a stage/frame was also a different approach between for exemple the assistent and the actor - sometimes assistent became actor too when i decided in the act IV to finish my cigarette and to send a video recorded of the play with cards.. but also many other things like what happens with play in the stage in the spot when the actor don't play all the time in the frame.. - so we can think about the process of writing for this interface, the story is more an application to play, so i see really many kinds of story can be played and time to extend with for exemple too changement of the tension in the duration like short news to play.. i like thisidea to play a long time I talked with Manuel about that The guest Pascale Barret told me she prefered to not follow a clock but to watch action in the interface and to feel how she wanted to call an other intensity-symbol, - also because she perform herself she had a feel with that she told too - so sometimes she wanted to test how we can play an action she know already in the same act in order to see a new transition between action.. to see how the actor manage this improvisation of transitions between actions.. see you cheers Nathalie christiaan cruz a ?crit : .hmmessage P { margin:0px; padding:0px } body.hmmessage { FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY:Tahoma } congratulations stream on you-ers watched cmyk from my work found a webcam link and saw boris give the intro too hope I can get my computers back up and running and contribute to the little red riding hood show -c _______________________________________________ aether mailing list aether at [nospam] 1904.cc http://lists.1904.cc/mailman/listinfo/aether --------------------------------- Ne gardez plus qu'une seule adresse mail ! Copiez vos mails vers Yahoo! Mail _______________________________________________ aether mailing list aether at [nospam] 1904.cc http://lists.1904.cc/mailman/listinfo/aether --------------------------------- Never miss a thing. Make Yahoo your homepage. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.1904.cc/pipermail/aether/attachments/20080217/6cd1d20a/attachment.html From ideacritik at [nospam] yahoo.ca Thu Feb 21 13:26:01 2008 From: ideacritik at [nospam] yahoo.ca (::audrey::) Date: Thu, 21 Feb 2008 04:26:01 -0800 (PST) Subject: [aether] multiplace - open call Message-ID: <178170.44631.qm {a+} web50211.mail.re2.yahoo.com> hi all, deadline for application is soon - feb 29th. i'm knee-deep in grant applications due for march 1st so i haven't the time. sounds interesting - but no funding. is anyone in eastern europe 26april-3may? (they have venues in SK, CZ, HU and PL). audrey ---------------------------- > > MULTIPLACE NETWORK CULTURE FESTIVAL #7 > > 26 April - 3 May 2008 > > telematic networking / imaginary broadcasting / experimental mobility > > > CALL FOR ENTRIES > > Multiplace 2008 invites artists and cultural workers to submit events/ > performances/installations /ideas of a networked character, > such as online performances, streaming and radio projects, > collaborative networked projects and workshops, or the works accessing > the networks within a physical location, urban space or between > remote venues. Use of digital technologies is not a crucial requirement. > > Submitted projects will be proposed to participating venues and > organisers. These will assist in providing the infrastructure > (technical equipment, internet connection, material, staff, etc) > for the project (if needed). > > > HOW TO SUBMIT > > You are welcome to submit your proposal at http://multiplace.sk/submit > There you can also find the current list of submitted projects and ideas. > > Please note that your submission has to be posted by February 29, 2008. > > > ABOUT MULTIPLACE > > Multiplace was formed as a result of collective efforts of various > organisers and associations from the fields of art and technology > in Slovakia and later in Czech Republic, Austria and Europe. > Its first activity was Multiplace new media event in April 2002, > and since then the festival is organised anually each spring > focusing on networked art and culture. In 2004, a civic non-for-profit > association Multiplace was founded, which operates on a basis > of open organisation. Today, Multiplace plays a crucial role in > communication, theory and promotion of media arts in central Europe. > > > ONLINE RESOURCES ON NETWORK ART > > * Norie Neumark (2005) Relays, Delays, and Distance Art/Activism, > http://mitpress.mit.edu/books /chapters/0262532859intro1.pdf > (introduction to At a Distance - Precursors to Art and Activism > on the Internet) > * Overviews of network art projects, > http://societyofalgorithm.org /networktime/ > http://1904.cc/timeline/tiki -index.php?page=communication +art > * Networked Performance Blog, http://turbulence.org/blog/ > * Networked Music Review, > http://http://transition .turbulence.org/networked _music_review/ > * http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki /Actor-network_theory > > > For further information please write to admin at multiplace dot sk > > > http://multiplace.sk > > > Jetzt dabei sein und Windows Live Mail testen. Windows Live Mail. > D?couvrez les photos les plus int?ressantes du jour. http://www.flickr.com/explore/interesting/7days/ From ciruela at [nospam] une.net.co Thu Feb 21 16:17:25 2008 From: ciruela at [nospam] une.net.co (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?Paula_V=E9lez_Bravo?=) Date: Thu, 21 Feb 2008 10:17:25 -0500 Subject: [aether] roja In-Reply-To: <178170.44631.qm {a+} web50211.mail.re2.yahoo.com> References: <178170.44631.qm {a+} web50211.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Message-ID: i have a meeting tomorrow with the person responsable for Little riding hood. Will see if technical specifications are the good ones for doing the project, then we will see if we could participate. paula From 1.1 [*] 1904.cc Thu Feb 21 21:51:22 2008 From: 1.1 [*] 1904.cc (1.1.1904) Date: Thu, 21 Feb 2008 21:51:22 +0100 Subject: [aether] post-iMAL Message-ID: hi all, here's some post-iMAL feedback from my side (finances and other considerations) also, i would like very much to resume more regular rehearsals.. what about meeting online this saturday, something like 19:00 CET ? (= 10 am in California, 21:30 in Tehran) another quick announcement before i come to the iMAL part: we have been invited to the next Mapping Festival, Geneva. Our performance will be on April 19th, together with three live musicians (the band Bliscappen Van Maria). I'm thinking that sound will play an important part in this, and it would be great to have several soundtreams mixed in-place, like voice from New York, percussion from Tehran... More about that soon. iMAL - financial overview: a) expenses: 56,70 EUR - black carpet for the stage. b) income: 100 EUR received as global payment for the performance (to be payed to our bank account yet) + 96.65 EUR travel fees for Manuel (geneva-brussels trip) c) fees: as we didn't discuss this specific point prior to the performance, it seems fair to apply the same standard of payment as for the last performance (Novi Sad) - 150 CHF for "full participation" (= participation in performance and one or several rehearsals) and 70 CHF for "partial participation" (i.e. only during performance). counting 10 full participants and 3 partial ones, that gives a total amount of 1710.- CHF (ca. 1060 EUR). I list all the names below, please check if everything is correct, as I don't know exactly who took part in which rehearsals (notably for Chloe and Jonathan). for the record, I note that iMAL's contribution covers ca. 16% of our expenses (counting the fees as expenses => 1213 EUR expenses / 196,65 EUR income). iMAL performance - general remarks: a) positive: - we had the occasion to test many new additions, mainly proposed by nathalie, to the basic aether9 concept - use of colors, interaction between on-location and remote frames, parallel presence of three different stages/performers, live interaction with a remote "guest-conductor" (the person who was choosing the symbols appearing in the main interface)... - we had some good interchange with other artists/collectives working in similar areas - the Placard team, Projet Singe, AOM, J?r?me Joy/NoCinema. - feedback from online viewers sounded rather positive (but came quite exclusively from inside our team). b) sub-positive: - internal communication: during the on-location work, we noted some difficulties of communicating inside our group, specially expressing our worries and questions about unresolved/unclear details of the performance. my personal feeling is that we have to devote A LOT of attention to make the "rules" of the performance become more transparent to an external viewer, who has no prior knowledge of our working methods. - promotion: the promotional efforts for the event were very minimal, i saw no flyers or posters announcing it. as a consequence, there was extremely little audience, both during the conference and the performance. also, i had virtually no feedback from the on-location viewers. - the element of "user interaction" ( = the card symbols activated by a "guest-conductor"): this was one of the most intensively discussed parts of that performance, and i still think it was not very well resolved, since that "interaction" was not understandable at all to the internet viewer, and at the same time made things much more complicated for the performers. c) something not to forget: for any of us who will deal with event organisers, we have to make sure to always mention our main and only institutional supporter - sitemapping mediaprojects - specially on printed materials (such as flyers, catalog, etc). best, manuel -- From 1.1 [*] 1904.cc Thu Feb 21 21:53:54 2008 From: 1.1 [*] 1904.cc (1.1.1904) Date: Thu, 21 Feb 2008 21:53:54 +0100 Subject: [aether] multiplace - open call In-Reply-To: <178170.44631.qm {a+} web50211.mail.re2.yahoo.com> References: <178170.44631.qm {a+} web50211.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Message-ID: sounds definitely interesting, and they are listing 1904.cc among the reference documents ;) as i will be for a week in bratislava in early april, i think i will get in touch with them anyway.. m. >hi all, >deadline for application is soon - feb 29th. i'm knee-deep in grant >applications due for march 1st so i haven't the time. sounds >interesting - but no funding. is anyone in eastern europe >26april-3may? (they have venues in SK, CZ, HU and PL). >audrey > From ideacritik at [nospam] yahoo.ca Thu Feb 21 22:22:52 2008 From: ideacritik at [nospam] yahoo.ca (::audrey::) Date: Thu, 21 Feb 2008 13:22:52 -0800 (PST) Subject: [aether] Re : post-iMAL Message-ID: <943520.53812.qm {a+} web50208.mail.re2.yahoo.com> i just wanted to add the feedback i received from viewers (online only) - unfortunately it was pretty negative: -the potentially interesting elements of our 'tool' were not explored (i.e. the exchange of elements between scenes like the typewriter -- this kind of exchange should have happened throughout the whole performance) -the image as a whole (the html interface) made no sense, it was really like autistic actors. it felt as if the frames had no meaning together. -the text in the middle frame did not resonate - it did not help the viewer to understand the actions of the actors or whatever else. -either make it totally abstract, or totally a 'followable narrative', not something in the middle. -the sound had peaks and drops, it lacked an overall 'background' (or atmosphere?) binding it together. -a lot of people just told me it simply made no sense to them. this is a bit harsh but i think self-criticism is important. if i read over the comments above, i notice elements that come back every time. we seem to be repeating ourselves... especially in our mistakes. i think we should meet for rehearsal and not just gigs alot more - agree with manu - will try to get my hands on a camera for saturday night. audrey ps -- how can we 'pay' ourselves if we made almost no money? i know there is a grant - but does it make sense? just a question. ----- Message initial ---- > De : 1.1.1904 <1.1 [*] 1904.cc> > ? : aether at [nospam] 1904.cc > Envoy? le : jeudi 21 f?vrier 2008, 21 h 51 min 22 s > Objet : [aether] post-iMAL > > hi all, > > here's some post-iMAL feedback from my side (finances and other considerations) > > also, i would like very much to resume more regular rehearsals.. > what about meeting online this saturday, > something like 19:00 CET ? (= 10 am in > California, 21:30 in Tehran) > > another quick announcement before i come to the > iMAL part: we have been invited to the next > Mapping Festival, Geneva. Our performance will be > on April 19th, together with three live musicians > (the band Bliscappen Van Maria). I'm thinking > that sound will play an important part in this, > and it would be great to have several soundtreams > mixed in-place, like voice from New York, > percussion from Tehran... > More about that soon. > > iMAL - financial overview: > > a) expenses: > 56,70 EUR - black carpet for the stage. > > b) income: > 100 EUR received as global payment for the > performance (to be payed to our bank account yet) > + 96.65 EUR travel fees for Manuel (geneva-brussels trip) > > c) fees: > as we didn't discuss this specific point prior to > the performance, it seems fair to apply the same > standard of payment as for the last performance > (Novi Sad) - 150 CHF for "full participation" (= > participation in performance and one or several > rehearsals) and 70 CHF for "partial > participation" (i.e. only during performance). > counting 10 full participants and 3 partial ones, > that gives a total amount of 1710.- CHF (ca. 1060 > EUR). I list all the names below, please check if > everything is correct, as I don't know exactly > who took part in which rehearsals (notably for > Chloe and Jonathan). > > for the record, I note that iMAL's contribution > covers ca. 16% of our expenses (counting the fees > as expenses => 1213 EUR expenses / 196,65 EUR > income). > > iMAL performance - general remarks: > > a) positive: > - we had the occasion to test many new additions, > mainly proposed by nathalie, to the basic aether9 > concept - use of colors, interaction between > on-location and remote frames, parallel presence > of three different stages/performers, live > interaction with a remote "guest-conductor" (the > person who was choosing the symbols appearing in > the main interface)... > - we had some good interchange with other > artists/collectives working in similar areas - > the Placard team, Projet Singe, AOM, J?r?me > Joy/NoCinema. > - feedback from online viewers sounded rather > positive (but came quite exclusively from inside > our team). > > b) sub-positive: > - internal communication: during the on-location > work, we noted some difficulties of communicating > inside our group, specially expressing our > worries and questions about unresolved/unclear > details of the performance. my personal feeling > is that we have to devote A LOT of attention to > make the "rules" of the performance become more > transparent to an external viewer, who has no > prior knowledge of our working methods. > - promotion: the promotional efforts for the > event were very minimal, i saw no flyers or > posters announcing it. as a consequence, there > was extremely little audience, both during the > conference and the performance. also, i had > virtually no feedback from the on-location > viewers. > - the element of "user interaction" ( = the card > symbols activated by a "guest-conductor"): this > was one of the most intensively discussed parts > of that performance, and i still think it was not > very well resolved, since that "interaction" was > not understandable at all to the internet viewer, > and at the same time made things much more > complicated for the performers. > > c) something not to forget: for any of us who > will deal with event organisers, we have to make > sure to always mention our main and only > institutional supporter - sitemapping > mediaprojects - specially on printed materials > (such as flyers, catalog, etc). > > best, > manuel > -- > _______________________________________________ > aether mailing list > aether at [nospam] 1904.cc > http://lists.1904.cc/mailman/listinfo/aether > D?couvrez les styles qui font sensation sur Yahoo! Qu?bec Avatars. http://cf.avatars.yahoo.com/ From 1.1 [*] 1904.cc Thu Feb 21 22:25:33 2008 From: 1.1 [*] 1904.cc (1.1.1904) Date: Thu, 21 Feb 2008 22:25:33 +0100 Subject: [aether] post-iMAL In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: > I list all the names below, please check if >everything is correct, as I don't know exactly >who took part in which rehearsals (notably for >Chloe and Jonathan). here the listing of participants: full participation: Boris Kish Nathalie Fougeras Richard Milan Paula V?lez (Medellin, CO) Audrey Samson (Rotterdam, NL) Manuel Schmalstieg Laure De Selys Bjorn Eriksson Judy Nylon (USA) Chloe Cramer (from Maastricht) partial participation: Jonathan Goldstein (USA) Paula's assistant (CO) Audrey's assistant (NL) full credit list is here: http://1904.cc/~aether/archive/2008.02.CMYK_imal/iMAL_credit_list.txt and there are already some photographs at http://1904.cc/~aether/archive/2008.02.CMYK_imal/iMAL_photos_by_Yves_Bernard/ From 1.1 [*] 1904.cc Thu Feb 21 22:50:18 2008 From: 1.1 [*] 1904.cc (1.1.1904) Date: Thu, 21 Feb 2008 22:50:18 +0100 Subject: [aether] Re : post-iMAL In-Reply-To: <943520.53812.qm {a+} web50208.mail.re2.yahoo.com> References: <943520.53812.qm {a+} web50208.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Message-ID: yeah, good question - how to deal with institutions who invite us but "have no money"? > >ps -- how can we 'pay' ourselves if we made almost no money? i know >there is a grant - but does it make sense? just a question. > From ideacritik at [nospam] yahoo.ca Thu Feb 21 23:08:45 2008 From: ideacritik at [nospam] yahoo.ca (::audrey::) Date: Thu, 21 Feb 2008 14:08:45 -0800 (PST) Subject: [aether] Re : post-iMAL Message-ID: <49812.87504.qm {a+} web50211.mail.re2.yahoo.com> > partial participation: > Jonathan Goldstein (USA) > Paula's assistant (CO) > Audrey's assistant (NL) > audrey's assistant was: Tom Stout (NL) D?couvrez les styles qui font sensation sur Yahoo! Qu?bec Avatars. http://cf.avatars.yahoo.com/ From ideacritik at [nospam] yahoo.ca Thu Feb 21 23:16:24 2008 From: ideacritik at [nospam] yahoo.ca (::audrey::) Date: Thu, 21 Feb 2008 14:16:24 -0800 (PST) Subject: [aether] Re : Re : post-iMAL Message-ID: <234987.18581.qm {a+} web50207.mail.re2.yahoo.com> i think it makes more sense to pay for travel, tool development and such from the grant money, especially in the case that no money is received from the institution. perhaps only in cases that a fee is received should it be divided to participants? in the case that it is a nominal fee (i.e. in this case 5Eur per person from the 100Eur fee) - then we have the difficulty of paying out small fees... or having an accountant to 'keep it on our tab' till the amount is worth paying out... hum... no easy solutions as usual. though if we add small fee gig money to the 'aether9 account pool'(rather than distributing it to the individual participants) and only pay ourselves for bigger fee gigs, then it would start to make sense (the pool of cash could be somewhat stabilised by having incoming $). idea... > > yeah, good question - how to deal with institutions who invite us but > "have no money"? > > > > >ps -- how can we 'pay' ourselves if we made almost no money? i know > >there is a grant - but does it make sense? just a question. > > > D?couvrez les styles qui font sensation sur Yahoo! Qu?bec Avatars. http://cf.avatars.yahoo.com/ From chloecramer at [nospam] gmail.com Fri Feb 22 00:01:39 2008 From: chloecramer at [nospam] gmail.com (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?chlo=E9_cramer?=) Date: Fri, 22 Feb 2008 00:01:39 +0100 Subject: [aether] Re : post-iMAL In-Reply-To: <943520.53812.qm {a+} web50208.mail.re2.yahoo.com> References: <943520.53812.qm {a+} web50208.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <3d22b5760802211501s3bd64a77td239a73c1883642a {a+} mail.gmail.com> Hi all, How to react to this negative critics Audrey is raising? -the potentially interesting elements of our 'tool' were not explored (i.e. the exchange of elements between scenes like the typewriter -- this kind of exchange should have happened throughout the whole performance) -the image as a whole (the html interface) made no sense, it was really like autistic actors. it felt as if the frames had no meaning together. -the text in the middle frame did not resonate - it did not help the viewer to understand the actions of the actors or whatever else. -either make it totally abstract, or totally a 'followable narrative', not something in the middle. -the sound had peaks and drops, it lacked an overall 'background' (or atmosphere?) binding it together. -a lot of people just told me it simply made no sense to them. The feedbacks I got were the same and they were from people who are familiar with contemporary art. But it seems to me that we consciously chose to work in a certain way, away from the "leadership of a single mind". This means we will always mix our point of views and create a hybrid performance... Personnaly I think that we should really stress the screenplay. We need to write for this kind of performance specifically (this means simple stories implying a communication between the frames, a common easthetic and a good use of the text frame and the voice over). I am convinced that we should keep it simple and not try to go into the struggles of a complicated character. Maybe "a man falls in love with a woman" or "the rescue", like the first mute movies... Maybe then, with a very simple action, we can really explore the possibilities of this medium. To make more rehearsals seems to be a good way to discover what aether9 has to offer (even though it is allready difficult to gather when we need to rehearse for a specific event). I think that the preparation of the screenplay is very important because this is the moment where we actually decide what the frame-set will be. Is it possible to write all together? Probably not. So, who wants to explore this and take care of "the performance as a whole"... And isn't this in contradiction with the wish of having no "leadership"? It seems to me that those questions are part of the "aesthetic" problems we are facing. What do you think? Chlo? -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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April Is Autism Awareness Month April Is International Guitar Month April Is Keep America Beautiful Month April Is National Child Abuse Prevention Month April Is National Frog Month April Is National Garden Month April Is National Humor Month April Is National Mathematics Education Month April Is National Poetry Month April Is Stress Awareness Month April 10th Encourage a Young Writer Day National Sibling Day April 11th Jackie Robinson Day On this day in 1947, Jackie Robinson became the 1st african-american in modern major-league baseball. U.S. Navy Acquires its 1st Submarine In 1900. It was a 53-foot craft designed by Irish immigrant John P. Holland. April 12th Space Shuttle Columbia First Launched Crewed by John Young and Robert Crippen - 1981 April 13th Thomas Jefferson's Birthday Born in 1743. April 14th Titanic Struck The Iceberg Shortly before midnight on April 14, the ship collided with an iceberg causing the ship to sink at 2:20 AM on April 15. April 15th First McDonalds Opens By Ray Kroc in Des Plaines, IL, 1955. Income Tax Day Leonardo Da Vinci Birthday Born in 1452. April 16th National Eggs Benedict Day Slavery Abolished in D.C. By Lincoln in 1862. April 17th Daffy Duck's Birthday He debuted in a Warner Brothers cartoon in 1937. Sherlock Hemlock's Birthday Sesame Street character. April 18th First Laundromat Opens In Fort Worth Texas - 1934. Great San Francisco Earthquake In 1906. Paul Revere Day Paul Revere rides to alert patriots that "The British are coming..." - in 1775. Pet Owner's Day April 19th Humorous Day Passover Begins at Sundown April 20th Cuckoo Day National Pineapple Upside-Down Cake Day anyway those are some ideas to soak in my computers are still unfinished hopefully ubuntu with PD+video will get on the laptop soon so ideas and prerecorded sound bits are all I can offer for the moment very behind here in the 714 of the 2008 so see you all saturday? -c -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.1904.cc/pipermail/aether/attachments/20080221/459d2699/attachment.html From knickerbockerjuju at [nospam] yahoo.com Sat Feb 23 00:32:25 2008 From: knickerbockerjuju at [nospam] yahoo.com (Judy Nylon) Date: Fri, 22 Feb 2008 15:32:25 -0800 (PST) Subject: [aether] limitations: Very excited we are getting around to dealing with this! SKYPE TOMORROW In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <788988.18298.qm {a+} web62315.mail.re1.yahoo.com> I will be on Skype at 7AM tomorrow Saturday. I am just finishing up a grant app.which has made me think both about scripting and about venues to play. By the way I have suggested Frieze and Basel Miami art fairs which have great night events would be great for Aether. I have always thought that breaking the same old pattern in which everyone else works and then to make things more acessable..... is key to our moving forward. Chris's ideas below mostly match with mine, except our methods are a bit different. I think that 'poverty thinking' is never good. We can get more money; we don't have to hold tightly to this one grant. I have been in creative situations where nobody is paid and the participation starts to go slack. Look at us , we are capable of making money. I have had feedback with lots of incomprehension but interest. The web site is a good part of it. We must must make this work more closely,clearly, purposefully, perhaps positioning ourselves closer to VJs and bands is not terrible. I am DJing on the 27th at an opening party sponsored by Christies and Rockefeller Center Plaza for 2 Brit. artists who install an LED sculpture fountain. Through this I have come in contact with things like the www.artproductionfund.org crew. Have a look.They are producing the Whitney Biannale this year too. We must connect with this sort of support. Otherwise, I didn't know we could have more than a single source for sound. I would love to work on this piece Manu mentions. Also the part pay/ for rehursal for Jonathan is OK. I did he rehearsal that one time; he set up but could not stay. and the other time he was not here at all at 7AM. Til Tomorrow....JUDY fe2cruz wrote: saturday sounds good to collect I like all the ideas so far probably best to set extreme limitations for each project there are so many of us now and hopefully it will only get worse maybe we can get some other large streaming event/performance organizers to join us in our own little meetings that way we can document it and use it. maybe even have some areas collect in a public space? since we can't move to IRC lets try voice conference in skype maybe? even if only for a little bit just to have a recording of all the silent/noise sound spaces + talking. favorite points: 1. extremely specific subject, instructions narrative, open improv, or 24hr stream a script a manifesto whatever you like for every performance 2. concrete directions on sound, image and input 3. better promotion, using all the social networks 4. only payback when the performance is paid + strict travel expense reimbursements also with the grant what would the group like to reinvest in? - like big 3d stage sculptures to project on to that we could sell after the performance or even simple sheet/screens, furniture props all for sale or trade for other services and needs 5. more gigs, work with bands and djs so non-academics can see the project there's so many of us seems like we could stream a standardized set every weekend even multiple shows in every timezone rather than rehearse in a closed skype zone; too comfortable there with only ourselves to bite back. -c _______________________________________________ aether mailing list aether at [nospam] 1904.cc http://lists.1904.cc/mailman/listinfo/aether --------------------------------- Looking for last minute shopping deals? Find them fast with Yahoo! Search. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.1904.cc/pipermail/aether/attachments/20080222/a4aeb0db/attachment.html From theleague at [nospam] imaginaryscience.org Sat Feb 23 06:30:39 2008 From: theleague at [nospam] imaginaryscience.org (The League of Imaginary Scientists) Date: Fri, 22 Feb 2008 21:30:39 -0800 Subject: [aether] An idea for some future date Message-ID: Hi there, everyone ? I?m interested in the recent developments/discussions in the how/where/why of aether. I agree that adopting a rule ? a constriction ? can be helpful, as are reinterpretations of dramas, etc. ? along these lines, I got this announcement about a Merce Cunningham choreography that has been released as open-ended open source. What about taking something non-narrative, like choreography, and enacting it as a nine-screen interpretation? (see below) Then again, I (always and still) love the combined mythological and scientific references of the original aether performance. Looking forward to red riding hood. For fun ? here?s Monty Python?s version of the fairytale: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iKbWdgW6sD8 How to subvert the traditional fairytale, and have our own surprise ending? (does anyone have a dog that looks like a wolf?!) I have a dog, but she?s old and a mutt and not so wolf-like. Would be interesting if we all had dogs that we could place on-screen at the same point, except for the one central screen where a demure character with a red cape is staring around her, tremulously ? surrounded on all sides by the ?wolf? (perhaps we could have some dogs and some people with wolf masks...) OK, I?m getting carried away... - Lucy/League The Merce Cunningham story: At 89 years old, American dancer and choreographer?Merce Cunningham?has pushed many boundaries in his celebrated career. Long associated with the avant-garde, he has invited numerous collaborations with new media artists over the years. Since 1991, he has used software to choreograph his works, and the resulting sensor-based animations have recently been exhibited as works in their own right. Now the artist is moving his practice towards an open source direction. Longtime Cunningham collaborators Marc Downie, Paul Kaiser, and Shelley Eshkar, who together form the?OpenEnded Group, are releasing an open source recording of Cunningham performing a new version of his renowned piece,?Loops. Loops was originally performed in 1971 as a solo dance. In this special re-configuration, Cunningham focuses only on his sensor-laden hands and the resulting work is a graceful visualization of his fingers moving through space. The transition into this form indeed visualizes how the artist has evolved over the years. Cunningham is also releasing the score under a Creative Commons (non-commercial/attribution/share-alike) license, so that it can be more closely studied and remixed in the future. For an artist with such a long-standing interest in chance operations, it's a bold and exciting move to see his work opened up to others in this way. - Marisa Olson? Image: Merce Cunningham, Loops, 2008 The League of Imaginary Scientists -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.1904.cc/pipermail/aether/attachments/20080222/683e1d42/attachment.html -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Offrez un compte Flickr Pro ? vos amis et ? votre famille. http://www.flickr.com/gift/ From bk at [nospam] n3krozoft.com Sat Feb 23 16:08:45 2008 From: bk at [nospam] n3krozoft.com (bk) Date: Sat, 23 Feb 2008 16:08:45 +0100 Subject: [aether] today's meeting In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <47C036FD.5070508 {a+} n3krozoft.com> Yo all, very crucial discussions indeed on the list. i will join in the ather9/skype gig tonite at 7pm CET, will be with Chlo?. Kisses, Boris The League of Imaginary Scientists wrote: > Hi there, everyone ? I?m interested in the recent > developments/discussions in the how/where/why of aether. I agree that > adopting a rule ? a constriction ? can be helpful, as are > reinterpretations of dramas, etc. ? along these lines, I got this > announcement about a Merce Cunningham choreography that has been > released as open-ended open source. What about taking something > non-narrative, like choreography, and enacting it as a nine-screen > interpretation? (see below) Then again, I (always and still) love the > combined mythological and scientific references of the original aether > performance. > > Looking forward to red riding hood. For fun ? here?s Monty Python?s > version of the fairytale: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iKbWdgW6sD8 > How to subvert the traditional fairytale, and have our own surprise > ending? (does anyone have a dog that looks like a wolf?!) I have a > dog, but she?s old and a mutt and not so wolf-like. Would be > interesting if we all had dogs that we could place on-screen at the > same point, except for the one central screen where a demure character > with a red cape is staring around her, tremulously ? surrounded on all > sides by the ?wolf? (perhaps we could have some dogs and some people > with wolf masks...) OK, I?m getting carried away... > > - Lucy/League > > The Merce Cunningham story: > At 89 years old, American dancer and choreographer Merce Cunningham > has pushed many boundaries in his celebrated career. Long associated > with the avant-garde, he has invited numerous collaborations with new > media artists over the years. Since 1991, he has used software to > choreograph his works, and the resulting sensor-based animations have > recently been exhibited as works in their own right. Now the artist is > moving his practice towards an open source direction. Longtime > Cunningham collaborators Marc Downie, Paul Kaiser, and Shelley Eshkar, > who together form the OpenEnded Group, are releasing an open source > recording of Cunningham performing a new version of his renowned > piece, Loops. Loops was originally performed in 1971 as a solo dance. > In this special re-configuration, Cunningham focuses only on his > sensor-laden hands and the resulting work is a graceful visualization > of his fingers moving through space. The transition into this form > indeed visualizes how the artist has evolved over the years. > Cunningham is also releasing the score under a Creative Commons > (non-commercial/attribution/share-alike) license, so that it can be > more closely studied and remixed in the future. For an artist with > such a long-standing interest in chance operations, it's a bold and > exciting move to see his work opened up to others in this way. - > Marisa Olson > Image: Merce Cunningham, Loops, 2008 > > > The League of Imaginary Scientists > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > _______________________________________________ > aether mailing list > aether at [nospam] 1904.cc > http://lists.1904.cc/mailman/listinfo/aether > From ideacritik at [nospam] yahoo.ca Sat Feb 23 23:56:55 2008 From: ideacritik at [nospam] yahoo.ca (::audrey::) Date: Sat, 23 Feb 2008 14:56:55 -0800 (PST) Subject: [aether] about $$$ Message-ID: <568906.92639.qm {a+} web50209.mail.re2.yahoo.com> hi all, this evening on skype was pretty 'rock n roll' as we say in montr?al... anyway, it's grant deadline season for the Canadian* Art Council *no i am not Dutch... i'm from the resilient French faction of eskimoland! ;o so to the point, i want to apply to this round with the aether9 project. i think its got a very good chance. manu already wrote a good 'dossier' in french for sitemapping which i can use. the nature of 'group applications' allows for three 'slots' in a collaboration. it is well regarded to have international collaboration - hence my following request: 2 people from aether9 to include in the application what does this involve? first personal details: full name full address phone # (home + work or cell if possible) second, a letter confirming your collaboration. This letter need not be long. The header should include : Conseil des Arts du Canada Ottawa, Canada followed by a short description of yourself, your contribution to the project and a confirmation of collaboration. this letter can be written in french or english. **deadline march 1st**(i need it before then!) **amount of money: 16000$ CAN** (more or less same as USD and CHF) so i've attached a very simple example of a collaboration letter (in french sorry) in case an example helps... (it's actually not a great example but okey...). i would really appreciate it if two people would confirm asap. i'll include t-shirt money in the budget ;) (promotion material can be alloted a max of 5% which amounts to 800$) of course they have strict rules against profitable projects so we'll have to keep it on the DL for the tshirts :) and i will of course send the write-up to the list asap for comments. it will be in french unfortunately for those who cannot read it. pow pow! 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And Peter! Great! I am delighted to see you have joined ( a friend from the extended London family). Audrey, i too am available....I will look again to see what kind of letter you need. Judy Nylon "1.1.1904" <1.1 [*] 1904.cc> wrote: thanks for that effort audrey, i'm available for this ps, i just uploaded a screen-grab of the latest iMAL performance, that was recorded from geneva. you find it at http://1904.cc/~aether/archive/2008.02.CMYK_imal/ it's 23 minutes, 150 MB encoded in h264 second ps, we can welcome 3 new guests on this list, artist Paola Guimerans (from spain, based in NY), artist Leticia Ramos (from uruguay, based sometimes in geneva), and Peter Cleak, event manager at Central Saint Martins College of Art & Design in London. best, manu _______________________________________________ aether mailing list aether at [nospam] 1904.cc http://lists.1904.cc/mailman/listinfo/aether --------------------------------- Looking for last minute shopping deals? Find them fast with Yahoo! Search. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.1904.cc/pipermail/aether/attachments/20080223/aec3b102/attachment.html From knickerbockerjuju at [nospam] yahoo.com Sun Feb 24 04:07:49 2008 From: knickerbockerjuju at [nospam] yahoo.com (Judy Nylon) Date: Sat, 23 Feb 2008 19:07:49 -0800 (PST) Subject: [aether] Audrey's grant letter In-Reply-To: <568906.92639.qm {a+} web50209.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <328423.29513.qm {a+} web62302.mail.re1.yahoo.com> Hi Audrey...Is this a sound project? If so, my CV is ok but if not ....mine would not be strong.... but send me a private email address and I will get the letter to you right away if you think I would be of any use on the application. I Babel-fish translated the example you sent from French into English... and it was cranky but I got the drift of how it should be written. Judy : audrey: : Sat Feb 23 14: 56: 55 at [nospam] yahoo.com, UNEXPECTED_DATA_AFTER_ADDRESS_IN_GROUP at .SYNTAX-ERROR.;;;;;, "::audrey::" wrote: hi all, this evening on skype was pretty 'rock n roll' as we say in montr?al... anyway, it's grant deadline season for the Canadian* Art Council *no i am not Dutch... i'm from the resilient French faction of eskimoland! ;o so to the point, i want to apply to this round with the aether9 project. i think its got a very good chance. manu already wrote a good 'dossier' in french for sitemapping which i can use. the nature of 'group applications' allows for three 'slots' in a collaboration. it is well regarded to have international collaboration - hence my following request: 2 people from aether9 to include in the application what does this involve? first personal details: full name full address phone # (home + work or cell if possible) second, a letter confirming your collaboration. This letter need not be long. The header should include : Conseil des Arts du Canada Ottawa, Canada followed by a short description of yourself, your contribution to the project and a confirmation of collaboration. this letter can be written in french or english. **deadline march 1st**(i need it before then!) **amount of money: 16000$ CAN** (more or less same as USD and CHF) so i've attached a very simple example of a collaboration letter (in french sorry) in case an example helps... (it's actually not a great example but okey...). i would really appreciate it if two people would confirm asap. i'll include t-shirt money in the budget ;) (promotion material can be alloted a max of 5% which amounts to 800$) of course they have strict rules against profitable projects so we'll have to keep it on the DL for the tshirts :) and i will of course send the write-up to the list asap for comments. it will be in french unfortunately for those who cannot read it. pow pow! D?couvrez les styles qui font sensation sur Yahoo! 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URL: http://lists.1904.cc/pipermail/aether/attachments/20080223/8d233ba6/attachment.html From ideacritik at [nospam] yahoo.ca Sun Feb 24 08:23:14 2008 From: ideacritik at [nospam] yahoo.ca (::audrey::) Date: Sat, 23 Feb 2008 23:23:14 -0800 (PST) Subject: [aether] Re : Audrey's grant letter Message-ID: <143426.93055.qm {a+} web50201.mail.re2.yahoo.com> ok great manu and judy! judy i think it makes sense to have a sound/streaming person in the application since aether9 now involves streaming sound. mail at ideacritik.com is mail for letter format/content discussions. off to writing then! audrey ps thanx for screen grab manu! was nice to see the whole performance - what the 'other' frames were up to. i began to understand the criticisms. what i pity i could see almost nothing of paula's and nathalie's frame either... very dark. we *must* remember to do a color/contrast check about 20min before showtime next performance... ----- Message initial ---- De : Judy Nylon ? : //// collaborative networked performance //// Envoy? le : dimanche 24 f?vrier 2008, 04 h 07 min 49 s Objet : Re: [aether] Audrey's grant letter Hi Audrey...Is this a sound project? If so, my CV is ok but if not ....mine would not be strong.... but send me a private email address and I will get the letter to you right away if you think I would be of any use on the application. I Babel-fish translated the example you sent from French into English... and it was cranky but I got the drift of how it should be written. Judy : audrey: : Sat Feb 23 14: 56: 55 at [nospam] yahoo.com, UNEXPECTED_DATA_AFTER_ADDRESS_IN_GROUP at .SYNTAX-ERROR.;;;;;, "::audrey::" wrote: hi all, this evening on skype was pretty 'rock n roll' as we say in montr?al... anyway, it's grant deadline season for the Canadian* Art Council *no i am not Dutch... i'm from the resilient French faction of eskimoland! ;o so to the point, i want to apply to this round with the aether9 project. i think its got a very good chance. manu already wrote a good 'dossier' in french for sitemapping which i can use. the nature of 'group applications' allows for three 'slots' in a collaboration. it is well regarded to have international collaboration - hence my following request: 2 people from aether9 to include in the application what does this involve? first personal details: full name full address phone # (home + work or cell if possible) second, a letter confirming your collaboration. This letter need not be long. The header should include : Conseil des Arts du Canada Ottawa, Canada followed by a short description of yourself, your contribution to the project and a confirmation of collaboration. this letter can be written in french or english. **deadline march 1st**(i need it before then!) **amount of money: 16000$ CAN** (more or less same as USD and CHF) so i've attached a very simple example of a collaboration letter (in french sorry) in case an example helps... (it's actually not a great example but okey...). i would really appreciate it if two people would confirm asap. i'll include t-shirt money in the budget ;) (promotion material can be alloted a max of 5% which amounts to 800$) of course they have strict rules against profitable projects so we'll have to keep it on the DL for the tshirts :) and i will of course send the write-up to the list asap for comments. it will be in french unfortunately for those who cannot read it. pow pow! D?couvrez les styles qui font sensation sur Yahoo! Qu?bec Avatars. http://cf.avatars.yahoo.com/_______________________________________________ aether mailing list aether at [nospam] 1904.cc http://lists.1904.cc/mailman/listinfo/aether Be a better friend, newshound, and know-it-all with Yahoo! Mobile. Try it now. -----La pi?ce jointe correspondante suit----- _______________________________________________ aether mailing list aether at [nospam] 1904.cc http://lists.1904.cc/mailman/listinfo/aether Devenez un meilleur amigo gr?ce ? Yahoo! Courriel http://cf.promos.yahoo.com/courriel/visiteguidee2/ -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.1904.cc/pipermail/aether/attachments/20080223/4af0e518/attachment.html From ideacritik at [nospam] yahoo.ca Sun Feb 24 08:51:30 2008 From: ideacritik at [nospam] yahoo.ca (::audrey::) Date: Sat, 23 Feb 2008 23:51:30 -0800 (PST) Subject: [aether] detail i just noticed regarding application... Message-ID: <163875.87455.qm {a+} web50207.mail.re2.yahoo.com> original signatures are required on this application form. since the deadline is march 1st - we need to deal with this asap! i thought the most efficient was to do this was for one of you to send the page to the other and then to me. the only problem is judy in in nyc, which requires a few days even by express post... i also realise this will incur fees (which is something i did not think of beforehand). i also wonder if we can accomplish this ontime. there are only four days left in february! i have to send it by the 29th (the 1st is a saturday). the link for the form: http://www.canadacouncil.ca/NR/rdonlyres/2E31A1C5-0023-4E60-900E-D8FE85E90B75/0/mag15af.pdf (page 11 and 12 have the co-candidate fields to enter - the first two pages of the actual form to fill after all the explanations regarding grant) *p12 has signature fields. would it make more sense to choose a closer-by european candidate for third slot - as it might then be possible to make it on time? perhaps from geneva-brussels-rotterdam? what do you think? i could potentially ask nicola unger, she is here, but i would still need a third person and i'm not sure i will see her today before she leaves for germany... audrey D?couvrez les photos les plus int?ressantes du jour. http://www.flickr.com/explore/interesting/7days/ From theleague at [nospam] imaginaryscience.org Sun Feb 24 09:00:49 2008 From: theleague at [nospam] imaginaryscience.org (The League of Imaginary Scientists) Date: Sun, 24 Feb 2008 00:00:49 -0800 Subject: [aether] Re : Audrey's grant letter In-Reply-To: <143426.93055.qm {a+} web50201.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Message-ID: I can send a letter from the League if you can use it... On 2/23/08 11:23 PM, "::audrey::" wrote: > ok great manu and judy! > judy i think it makes sense to have a sound/streaming person in the > application since aether9 now involves streaming sound. > mail at ideacritik.com is mail for letter format/content discussions. > off to writing then! > audrey > > ps thanx for screen grab manu! was nice to see the whole performance - what > the 'other' frames were up to. i began to understand the criticisms. what i > pity i could see almost nothing of paula's and nathalie's frame either... very > dark. we *must* remember to do a color/contrast check about 20min before > showtime next performance... > > ----- Message initial ---- > De : Judy Nylon > ? : //// collaborative networked performance //// > Envoy? le : dimanche 24 f?vrier 2008, 04 h 07 min 49 s > Objet : Re: [aether] Audrey's grant letter > > Hi Audrey...Is this a sound project? If so, my CV is ok but if not ....mine > would not be strong.... but send me a private email address and I will get the > letter to you right away if you think I would be of any use on the > application. I Babel-fish translated the example you sent from French into > English... and it was cranky but I got the drift of how it should be written. > > Judy > > : audrey: : Sat Feb 23 14: 56: 55 at [nospam] yahoo.com, > UNEXPECTED_DATA_AFTER_ADDRESS_IN_GROUP at .SYNTAX-ERROR.;;;;;, "::audrey::" > wrote: >> hi all, >> >> this evening on skype was pretty 'rock n roll' as we say in montr?al... >> >> anyway, it's grant deadline season for the Canadian* Art Council >> *no i am not Dutch... i'm from the resilient French faction of eskimoland! ;o >> >> so to the point, i want to apply to this round with the aether9 project. i >> think its got a very good chance. manu already wrote a good 'dossier' in >> french for sitemapping which i can use. >> the nature of 'group applications' allows for three 'slots' in a >> collaboration. it is well regarded to have international collaboration - >> hence my following request: >> >> 2 people from aether9 to include in the application >> >> what does this involve? >> >> first personal details: >> full name >> full address >> phone # (home + work or cell if possible) >> >> second, a letter confirming your collaboration. >> This letter need not be long. >> The header should include : >> Conseil des Arts du Canada >> Ottawa, Canada >> >> followed by a short description of yourself, your contribution to the project >> and a confirmation of collaboration. >> this letter can be written in french or english. >> >> **deadline march 1st**(i need it before then!) >> **amount of money: 16000$ CAN** (more or less same as USD and CHF) >> >> so i've attached a very simple example of a collaboration letter (in french >> sorry) in case an example helps... (it's actually not a great example but >> okey...). >> >> i would really appreciate it if two people would confirm asap. >> >> i'll include t-shirt money in the budget ;) (promotion material can be >> alloted a max of 5% which amounts to 800$) of course they have strict rules >> against profitable projects so we'll have to keep it on the DL for the >> tshirts :) >> >> and i will of course send the write-up to the list asap for comments. it will >> be in french unfortunately for those who cannot read it. >> >> pow pow! >> >> >> >> D?couvrez les styles qui font sensation sur Yahoo! Qu?bec Avatars. >> http://cf.avatars.yahoo.com/_______________________________________________ >> aether mailing list >> aether at [nospam] 1904.cc >> http://lists.1904.cc/mailman/listinfo/aether > > > > > Be a better friend, newshound, and know-it-all with Yahoo! Mobile. Try it > now. > tDypao8Wcj9tAcJ%20> > > > -----La pi?ce jointe correspondante suit----- > > _______________________________________________ > aether mailing list > aether at [nospam] 1904.cc > http://lists.1904.cc/mailman/listinfo/aether > > > > > D?couvrez les styles qui font sensation sur Yahoo! Qu?bec Avatars > > > _______________________________________________ > aether mailing list > aether at [nospam] 1904.cc > http://lists.1904.cc/mailman/listinfo/aether The League of Imaginary Scientists -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.1904.cc/pipermail/aether/attachments/20080224/a0d04c67/attachment.html -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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I can't participate to the skype I wish you a good discussion so if it's possible to save the chat? thanks See you cheers Nathalie "1.1.1904" <1.1 [*] 1904.cc> a ?crit : thanks for that effort audrey, i'm available for this ps, i just uploaded a screen-grab of the latest iMAL performance, that was recorded from geneva. you find it at http://1904.cc/~aether/archive/2008.02.CMYK_imal/ it's 23 minutes, 150 MB encoded in h264 second ps, we can welcome 3 new guests on this list, artist Paola Guimerans (from spain, based in NY), artist Leticia Ramos (from uruguay, based sometimes in geneva), and Peter Cleak, event manager at Central Saint Martins College of Art & Design in London. best, manu _______________________________________________ aether mailing list aether at [nospam] 1904.cc http://lists.1904.cc/mailman/listinfo/aether --------------------------------- Ne gardez plus qu'une seule adresse mail ! Copiez vos mails vers Yahoo! Mail -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.1904.cc/pipermail/aether/attachments/20080224/c01a5ca4/attachment.html From bk at [nospam] n3krozoft.com Sun Feb 24 20:01:10 2008 From: bk at [nospam] n3krozoft.com (bk) Date: Sun, 24 Feb 2008 20:01:10 +0100 Subject: [aether] Audience-oriented In-Reply-To: <3d22b5760802211501s3bd64a77td239a73c1883642a {a+} mail.gmail.com> References: <943520.53812.qm {a+} web50208.mail.re2.yahoo.com> <3d22b5760802211501s3bd64a77td239a73c1883642a {a+} mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <47C1BEF6.2050702 {a+} n3krozoft.com> Hi all, First of all welcome to the new members of the list! Paola Guimerans, Leticia Ramos and Peter Cleak. Please don't hesitate to post about what brought you here and don't be shy to share your ideas about formal and narrative aspects of aether9. (By the way we need to decide if the official project name is "aether9", as it was in the begining and in the grant we received, or simply "aether", as it is more and more referred to :-) /// Latest news: yesterday there was a skype-chat between Audrey, Lucy, Manu, Boris, Chris and apparitions of Paula and Laure. Good to read it to understand the rest of this mail. Here is the log (the very begining is missing, and also i made a digest of this talk at the bottom of this mail): http://1904.cc/~aether/archive/LRRH/ /// About Little Red Riding Hood (LRRH): Imagine the western theme Manu is lobbying for. Imagine the longest distanced showdown in western history Chris ravelled about. Imagine the burning of objects, an old theme here never actualised in an aether performance. Imagine Highways. Imagine yet another narrative layer where some performers, with boots and hats and guns?, would be conferencing the audience, visually and with their live voice (conferencing about what i don't know - and this would require to switch the sources of the audio-stream flows). As live transmission studio operators. Imagine the artifacts that the League would not fail to produce Imagine the Little Red Riding Hood being the thin red line of all this wonderfull bazar. Well all this already falls together in my head. Could be a slow paced metaphysic western adaptation of the LRRH, with a big showdown at the end (John Woo style, all performers flying and shooting everywhere at a lovely slow framerate ;-) Numerous narrative and formal layers can undoubtely be added to this! /// We have a core of very involved individuals with no hierarchical definitions and with no agreement or manifesto or constitution about how decisions are taken. I will rumble over this now in a not very structured way... Recently on the mailing-list, a lot of questions started to challenge a little more consciously our "research and development system", here are a couple of them: > Chlo? wrote, 2/17/08 10:45 AM On my side, people thought that it was a quite dark performance. They liked the process but not the story. Personnally, I have to say that I'd prefere to investigate either a "spatial-formal experience" (like Beckett's) or a lighter screenplay, with comic sides. Is it necessary to tell a story with a dramatic Action? Shouldn't the drama be a formal stake? (in the Ghost trio,there are very few hints to the characters interiority and the dramatic climax comes with a unique close up on his face...) > Judy, 2/17/08 3:51 PM Certainly each viewer will prefer the style/story of one performance over the other. However, we are building a lexicon of the 'Aether voice'. > Audrey, 2/21/08 10:22 PM i think self-criticism is important. if i read over the comments above, i notice elements that come back every time. we seem to be repeating ourselves... especially in our mistakes. -the potentially interesting elements of our 'tool' were not explored (i.e. the exchange of elements between scenes like the typewriter -- this kind of exchange should have happened throughout the whole performance) -the image as a whole (the html interface) made no sense, it was really like autistic actors. it felt as if the frames had no meaning together. -the text in the middle frame did not resonate - it did not help the viewer to understand the actions of the actors or whatever else. -either make it totally abstract, or totally a 'followable narrative', not something in the middle. -the sound had peaks and drops, it lacked an overall 'background' (or atmosphere?) binding it together. -a lot of people just told me it simply made no sense to them. > chlo?, 2/22/08 12:01 AM it seems to me that we consciously chose to work in a certain way, away from the "leadership of a single mind". This means we will always mix our point of views and create a hybrid performance... -- How where scripts written? - For CMYK, Nathalie basically proposed a script she created by herself. - The idea to adapt something from Beckett appeared in the aether mailing-list and wiki since the early days and the adaptation was mostly done by Laure and Chlo?. - Previous performances scripts and ideas where usually the work of the aether9 melting pool, except "the Girl Without Hands" adaptation where the script was mostly the work of the n3krozoft sub-group (chlo?, manu, boris). Now as the Little Red Riding Hood (LRRH) became the most discussed topic for the next performance, i would like that we keep this script discussion very open by keeping everybody informed about script advancments and ideas through the mailing list and/or the wiki. One of the most interesting feats of our network of people is the collective script writing process and i feel we cannot abandon this, on the contrary. And money matters: Audrey wrote: "how can we 'pay' ourselves if we made almost no money? i know there is a grant - but does it make sense? just a question." In the "dossier" that brought the first grant to aether9, a large portion of the $ is attributed to the performers, so the payment policy we used for the Beckett performance strictly follows the logic of this "dossier". But indeed we could imagine doing things differently with this money. One of the problems i see in the logic of the dossier is that, although the money-making is small, it is not insignificant for young artists and some of us (including myself) like the idea of this little income but it can become a barrier if it's like "we are a little group and we share the grant(s)", where new elements would be perturbations. And this would be very sad. But i don't have a real alternative proposal for now. But i notice that more and more the discussions about money here include words like "art fairs" and "merchandising", soon we will surely talk about outsourcing and off-shoring :-) , this tends to draw a picture for a project that requires some kind of business plan. I like it, although i'm alien to it. Again, seems to me that this approach will require an explicit and verbalised core of people who want to be in charge of defining and pursuing the plan, of making decisions. And If there are art-fairs and business plans, there are qualitative imperatives that will appear in a new way. We had so far something like a silent implicit censorship and approval system that worked, so far so good. But now what happens if we are performing in the context of some art-fair? Will we need sheriffs that decide what is good or bad according to their taste and ideas about aether9? Seems inevitable to me, but then again it is in contradiction with well accepted creative collective principles. Well, great questions ahead. /// Random considerations: > how to develop the "guest-conductor" concept? It is interesting in principle i find, but how to make this principle more audience-oriented? I really would like to go towards a more performative audience-oriented path... > how to ad more chaos/play? 1 approach would be to parasite the narrative at times. With 1 single frame of something totally different :-) like the zepellin and the wtc burning, such little references, at a subliminal dose. > i would love our contacts from Iran and China participating in the performances, so i will personally check if they wish to involve themselves, invite them to be active on the list and so on... > 1 single person can easily decide to "hack" a performance. This person would simply need to follow a link on the 1904.cc site, download a patch and... act at the right time, in whatever frame he wishes... It could be also a mere curious viewer with no malicious intentions decides to check how all this works. The fact that it hasn't happened simply shows that we aren't popular enough:-) > Merchandising ideas (read the chat log for more on this marvelous subject): - t-shirts - create an aetheric fragrance, soaking our artefacts (shirts, vcd's)... (chris i believe you emmited such an idea...) - use more polinisation/social/network tools (facebook, myspace, youtube, flickr, mailing lists, etc...) Love to all, Boris /// ps: here is some of the best moments of yesterday's chat, for the record: boris 2/23/08 7:36 PM what is the topic of the discussion now? fe2cruz 2/23/08 7:37 PM 1) riding hood 2) mapping 3) ISEA 4) new performers 5)grant fe2cruz 2/23/08 7:38 PM My favorit is simple repeating patterns the lines on aemotions Remote Control Monkey 2/23/08 7:39 PM if simple formal and non-narrative is preferred, what about moving the same objects through the frame - the journey of objects through space and time aether9 2/23/08 7:41 PM well, the kind of visual stuff i'm imagining, is for example to have that moment, where on each frame is played a video that each of us filmed driving on some highway in our respective locations... fe2cruz 2/23/08 7:41 PM any of the fluid frame interaction and movement is good. anything that the viewer can underestand easily Remote Control Monkey 2/23/08 7:41 PM on a philosophical level, what if we all were one character? boris 2/23/08 7:41 PM in the last performance cmyk i believe that the murder with the type machine was a high point for the audience. there it was simple, it was an ACTION between frame 3 and 6. Remote Control Monkey 2/23/08 7:42 PM regarding the highway footage, what are your thoughts about live vs. prerecorded? fe2cruz 2/23/08 7:42 PM driving and streaming can be dangerous aether9 2/23/08 7:44 PM and some "justification" could be to see each location as a "transmission studio" ... sometimes to operator being visible, sometimes he transmits something... ideacritik 2/23/08 7:44 PM the highway could be our 'cohesive element' like the cards wer the transmission theme fits the audio i think aether9 2/23/08 7:44 PM could be.. a sort of "country music -> western -> highways" chain of thought fe2cruz 2/23/08 7:44 PM I like roads and rivers aether9 2/23/08 7:48 PM yeah, it could be great for that performance to transmit from some "special" locations, not just inside an appartment... Remote Control Monkey 2/23/08 7:49 PM while we have landscape view - how could we add another layer - the something that connects all the frames - what could pass through that relates to highways - do we all have the same destination? do we all end up at a similar place? boris 2/23/08 7:49 PM for mapping, i would really like if there was some kind of "conference" as well. if some of the performers could stream their voice. it could be a dialogue. aether9 2/23/08 7:57 PM another thing that could be maybe interesting, are slow processual actions... like putting fire to some (wooden) thing and watch it burn slowly Remote Control Monkey 2/23/08 8:01 PM new brainstream...I like the idea of burning (and the elements) - if we all burned something in frame could be interesting - what if we held an object, like the water glass, and then burned a picture/drawing/representation of that object aether9 2/23/08 8:07 PM i'm wondering if it could be interesting to step into some iconic western/cowboy imagery ... on major moment of interaction could be a big shootout between frame 4 and 6 the middle frame (5) passing the bullets between them fe2cruz 2/23/08 8:08 PM YES let's have a killin! fe2cruz 2/23/08 8:09 PM the longest distanced showdown in western history Nylon 2/23/08 8:18 PM Can I suggest that we put all Red R. Hood....info onto the wiki to look at possibilities sonic, visual code....in an outline form Nylon 2/23/08 8:23 PM versions that we all should be familiar with?? Nylon 2/23/08 8:33 PM Yes....slow change from light to darkness. Literally or......change from positive image to negative (filmic Xray image) aether9 2/23/08 8:33 PM the fact that the wolf is able to incorporate the grandmother suggests he's actually rather a werewolf.. boris 2/23/08 8:33 PM i like this + / - positiv/negativ playing x-ray miaw Nylon 2/23/08 8:39 PM The theory is that smart wolves finured out that food was plentiful and humans were not that dangerous and then crept closer to the fire and shape shifted and inbred for docility fe2cruz 2/23/08 8:40 PM i've always imagined the 9 cells being used as an educational interface Remote Control Monkey 2/23/08 8:41 PM For research and development, the League is interested in building the mythology behind some of these projects, with visuals, fake artifacts, etc. - if there's interest or space we'd be down to develop some side story that isn't necessarily in the performance (as we did for the remote fairytales) Nylon 2/23/08 8:41 PM I was interested in Chris's mention of investing some dosh in editioned items... fe2cruz 2/23/08 8:42 PM yeah sell the props, even on ebay Nylon 2/23/08 8:43 PM I have met the people from Janus....litho editions. The set up is that they work with you up to an agreed artist proof and then produce the entire edition and sell it for a percentage....it is a can't lose arrangement if we can interest them in doing it Nylon 2/23/08 8:45 PM but if we stop paying ourselves and then do not make objets that can be sold via gallerys....well how is this a solutio to dwindling money Remote Control Monkey 2/23/08 8:49 PM perhaps this is not the focus of aether as a group, though it is what the league really does - contextualize events or stories in other ways Nylon 2/23/08 8:50 PM I think we need to move at least one foot into the 'actually or established marketplace' with someting editioned, that people want. Nothing we do will sell on ebay and the re-sale value of old stage items is nothing unless they either owned by Damian Hearst or Some one famous........what were the magic lanterns about that were produced by you'all in Brussels or Geneva....I forget ideacritik 2/23/08 9:02 PM you know what -- i think i'm tired 'cause i'm really not understanding anything anymore - so maybe i'll politely float away... i wanted to ask something about grants so i'll write a mail. perhaps we should actually plan a rehearsal - like a playing around time slot... i'll try and get a camera. easier to test visual ideas... ok folks! ye-haa! pow pow pow!!! Nylon 2/23/08 9:12 PM But.....I am concerned about adding new contexts to Aether performances to increase the audiences....which is why I thought of art fair evening performances where an audience already is assembled aether9 2/23/08 9:12 PM T-shirts - why not, but we need to find a place to print (not cheap around geneva) and somebody to design them and somebody to sell them.... Nylon 2/23/08 9:13 PM BUT......I can hear you thinking ....we do need to get it together a bit more T-shirts are $4 each one colored printed in USA There is hardly a band here that doesn't have a tee-shirt aether9 2/23/08 9:17 PM ok, so we definitely need that .. Nylon 2/23/08 9:21 PM We can sell shirts because Aether is a great idea. aether9 2/23/08 9:22 PM i will repeat that to myself every morning Nylon 2/23/08 9:22 PM You should....thats what I mean about thinking without poverty fears The trick is to be the first networked performance team that becomes known outside of the classroom Design should be done ASAP.....like now. Then there is getting them over there I reccomend someone shipping with someone in their suitcase aether9 2/23/08 9:30 PM hmm, what i'm thinking now about, which could be a selling strategy (considering that whenever we tryied to sell nicely designed dvds at gallery openings, we sold close to nothing) would be to make a little series of VCDs (video-cd, cheaper than dvd, plays on dvd player) with a cheap cover design looking like the pirate stuff sold on the street by kids in south-east europe... like pirate copies for the aether fan base Nylon 2/23/08 9:35 PM On the website and through a link from myspace....and seriously, art fairs and stores...and give a few away to VIP types. Pirate copy style is good. These thing don't need to look like heirlooms. Some poeple just print a stencil on acitate, cut and spray paint....as loog as it looks great I mean "looks good" fe2cruz 2/23/08 9:36 PM yeah in LA people only buy stuff with handmade packaging we mostly don't even open and use the media inside we just like the package so much aether9 2/23/08 9:36 PM the point of the "pirate" esthetic, is that it looks horrible, kitsch fonts, cheap bleeding color photocopy... Nylon 2/23/08 9:36 PM Here too. Like LA....we don't like chain store looking stuff fe2cruz 2/23/08 9:36 PM that's exactly what would sell at a little venue here my friends sold cds in a paper bag with a cigarette Nylon 2/23/08 9:41 PM OK new performers. What is the thoughs on guest spots by the famous? aether9 2/23/08 9:41 PM also, i've been contacted by a chinese artist who is interested in the project but not sure if she really intends to participate Nylon 2/23/08 9:42 PM I do live next door to the early vidoe poeple Judith Barry and Dan Graham also fe2cruz 2/23/08 9:42 PM i've always seen this as an open group yes please judy bring them in! Nylon 2/23/08 9:44 PM almost anyone can be reached. Moby lives around the corner too BUT>>>>>again, we are a bit unorganized as to what exactly we are doing. Our website is more organized than we are at this point Nylon 2/23/08 9:47 PM Do we have a counter to tell how much web traffic we have on 1904.cc? aether9 2/23/08 9:53 PM it says 200 visits per day for february 2008 From theleague at [nospam] imaginaryscience.org Sun Feb 24 22:05:16 2008 From: theleague at [nospam] imaginaryscience.org (The League of Imaginary Scientists) Date: Sun, 24 Feb 2008 13:05:16 -0800 Subject: [aether] Audience-oriented In-Reply-To: <47C1BEF6.2050702 {a+} n3krozoft.com> Message-ID: Wow, boris - comprehensive summary and interesting conclusions - I like the idea of keeping LRRH an open discussion - regarding the Western - a cowboy hat and red bandana perhaps? On 2/24/08 11:01 AM, "bk" wrote: > Hi all, > > First of all welcome to the new members of the list! > Paola Guimerans, Leticia Ramos and Peter Cleak. > Please don't hesitate to post about what brought you here and don't be > shy to share your ideas about formal and narrative aspects of aether9. > (By the way we need to decide if the official project name is "aether9", > as it was in the begining and in the grant we received, or simply > "aether", as it is more and more referred to :-) > > /// > > Latest news: > yesterday there was a skype-chat between Audrey, Lucy, Manu, Boris, > Chris and apparitions of Paula and Laure. Good to read it to understand > the rest of this mail. Here is the log (the very begining is missing, > and also i made a digest of this talk at the bottom of this mail): > http://1904.cc/~aether/archive/LRRH/ > > /// > > About Little Red Riding Hood (LRRH): > > Imagine the western theme Manu is lobbying for. > Imagine the longest distanced showdown in western history Chris ravelled > about. > Imagine the burning of objects, an old theme here never actualised in an > aether performance. > Imagine Highways. > Imagine yet another narrative layer where some performers, with boots > and hats and guns?, would be conferencing the audience, visually and > with their live voice (conferencing about what i don't know - and this > would require to switch the sources of the audio-stream flows). As live > transmission studio operators. > Imagine the artifacts that the League would not fail to produce > Imagine the Little Red Riding Hood being the thin red line of all this > wonderfull bazar. > > Well all this already falls together in my head. Could be a slow paced > metaphysic western adaptation of the LRRH, with a big showdown at the > end (John Woo style, all performers flying and shooting everywhere at a > lovely slow framerate ;-) > Numerous narrative and formal layers can undoubtely be added to this! > > /// > > We have a core of very involved individuals with no hierarchical > definitions and with no agreement or manifesto or constitution about how > decisions are taken. > I will rumble over this now in a not very structured way... > > Recently on the mailing-list, a lot of questions started to challenge a > little more consciously our "research and development system", here are > a couple of them: > >> Chlo? wrote, 2/17/08 10:45 AM > On my side, people thought that it was a quite dark performance. They > liked the process but not the story. > Personnally, I have to say that I'd prefere to investigate either a > "spatial-formal experience" (like Beckett's) or a lighter screenplay, > with comic sides. > Is it necessary to tell a story with a dramatic Action? Shouldn't the > drama be a formal stake? (in the Ghost trio,there are very few hints to > the characters interiority and the dramatic climax comes with a unique > close up on his face...) > >> Judy, 2/17/08 3:51 PM > Certainly each viewer will prefer the style/story of one performance > over the other. However, we are building a lexicon of the 'Aether voice'. > >> Audrey, 2/21/08 10:22 PM > i think self-criticism is important. if i read over the comments above, > i notice elements that come back every time. we seem to be repeating > ourselves... especially in our mistakes. > -the potentially interesting elements of our 'tool' were not explored > (i.e. the exchange of elements between scenes like the typewriter -- > this kind of exchange should have happened throughout the whole performance) > -the image as a whole (the html interface) made no sense, it was really > like autistic actors. it felt as if the frames had no meaning together. > -the text in the middle frame did not resonate - it did not help the > viewer to understand the actions of the actors or whatever else. > -either make it totally abstract, or totally a 'followable narrative', > not something in the middle. > -the sound had peaks and drops, it lacked an overall 'background' (or > atmosphere?) binding it together. > -a lot of people just told me it simply made no sense to them. > >> chlo?, 2/22/08 12:01 AM > it seems to me that we consciously chose to work in a certain way, away > from the "leadership of a single mind". This means we will always mix > our point of views and create a hybrid performance... > > -- > > How where scripts written? > - For CMYK, Nathalie basically proposed a script she created by herself. > - The idea to adapt something from Beckett appeared in the aether > mailing-list and wiki since the early days and the adaptation was mostly > done by Laure and Chlo?. > - Previous performances scripts and ideas where usually the work of the > aether9 melting pool, except "the Girl Without Hands" adaptation where > the script was mostly the work of the n3krozoft sub-group (chlo?, manu, > boris). > > Now as the Little Red Riding Hood (LRRH) became the most discussed topic > for the next performance, i would like that we keep this script > discussion very open by keeping everybody informed about script > advancments and ideas through the mailing list and/or the wiki. > One of the most interesting feats of our network of people is the > collective script writing process and i feel we cannot abandon this, on > the contrary. > > And money matters: > Audrey wrote: "how can we 'pay' ourselves if we made almost no money? i > know there is a grant - but does it make sense? just a question." > In the "dossier" that brought the first grant to aether9, a large > portion of the $ is attributed to the performers, so the payment policy > we used for the Beckett performance strictly follows the logic of this > "dossier". But indeed we could imagine doing things differently with > this money. One of the problems i see in the logic of the dossier is > that, although the money-making is small, it is not insignificant for > young artists and some of us (including myself) like the idea of this > little income but it can become a barrier if it's like "we are a little > group and we share the grant(s)", where new elements would be > perturbations. And this would be very sad. > But i don't have a real alternative proposal for now. > But i notice that more and more the discussions about money here include > words like "art fairs" and "merchandising", soon we will surely talk > about outsourcing and off-shoring :-) , this tends to draw a picture for > a project that requires some kind of business plan. I like it, although > i'm alien to it. > Again, seems to me that this approach will require an explicit and > verbalised core of people who want to be in charge of defining and > pursuing the plan, of making decisions. > > And If there are art-fairs and business plans, there are qualitative > imperatives that will appear in a new way. We had so far something like > a silent implicit censorship and approval system that worked, so far so > good. But now what happens if we are performing in the context of some > art-fair? Will we need sheriffs that decide what is good or bad > according to their taste and ideas about aether9? Seems inevitable to > me, but then again it is in contradiction with well accepted creative > collective principles. > Well, great questions ahead. > > /// > > Random considerations: > >> how to develop the "guest-conductor" concept? It is interesting in > principle i find, but how to make this principle more audience-oriented? > I really would like to go towards a more performative audience-oriented > path... > >> how to ad more chaos/play? > 1 approach would be to parasite the narrative at times. With 1 single > frame of something totally different :-) like the zepellin and the wtc > burning, such little references, at a subliminal dose. > >> i would love our contacts from Iran and China participating in the > performances, so i will personally check if they wish to involve > themselves, invite them to be active on the list and so on... > >> 1 single person can easily decide to "hack" a performance. This > person would simply need to follow a link on the 1904.cc site, download > a patch and... act at the right time, in whatever frame he wishes... It > could be also a mere curious viewer with no malicious intentions decides > to check how all this works. The fact that it hasn't happened simply > shows that we aren't popular enough:-) > >> Merchandising ideas (read the chat log for more on this marvelous > subject): > - t-shirts > - create an aetheric fragrance, soaking our artefacts (shirts, vcd's)... > (chris i believe you emmited such an idea...) > - use more polinisation/social/network tools (facebook, myspace, > youtube, flickr, mailing lists, etc...) > > Love to all, > Boris > > > /// > > ps: here is some of the best moments of yesterday's chat, for the record: > > boris > 2/23/08 7:36 PM > what is the topic of the discussion now? > > fe2cruz > 2/23/08 7:37 PM > 1) riding hood > 2) mapping > 3) ISEA > 4) new performers > 5)grant > > fe2cruz > 2/23/08 7:38 PM > My favorit is simple repeating patterns > the lines on aemotions > > Remote Control Monkey > 2/23/08 7:39 PM > if simple formal and non-narrative is preferred, what about moving the > same objects through the frame - the journey of objects through space > and time > > aether9 > 2/23/08 7:41 PM > well, the kind of visual stuff i'm imagining, is for example to have > that moment, where on each frame is played a video that each of us > filmed driving on some highway in our respective locations... > > fe2cruz > 2/23/08 7:41 PM > any of the fluid frame interaction and movement is good. anything that > the viewer can underestand easily > > Remote Control Monkey > 2/23/08 7:41 PM > on a philosophical level, what if we all were one character? > > boris > 2/23/08 7:41 PM > in the last performance cmyk i believe that the murder with the type > machine was a high point for the audience. there it was simple, it was > an ACTION between frame 3 and 6. > > Remote Control Monkey > 2/23/08 7:42 PM > regarding the highway footage, what are your thoughts about live vs. > prerecorded? > > fe2cruz > 2/23/08 7:42 PM > driving and streaming can be dangerous > > aether9 > 2/23/08 7:44 PM > and some "justification" could be to see each location as a > "transmission studio" ... sometimes to operator being visible, sometimes > he transmits something... > > ideacritik > 2/23/08 7:44 PM > the highway could be our 'cohesive element' like the cards wer > the transmission theme fits the audio i think > > aether9 > 2/23/08 7:44 PM > could be.. a sort of "country music -> western -> highways" chain of thought > > fe2cruz > 2/23/08 7:44 PM > I like roads and rivers > > aether9 > 2/23/08 7:48 PM > yeah, it could be great for that performance to transmit from some > "special" locations, not just inside an appartment... > > Remote Control Monkey > 2/23/08 7:49 PM > while we have landscape view - how could we add another layer - the > something that connects all the frames - what could pass through that > relates to highways - do we all have the same destination? do we all end > up at a similar place? > > boris > 2/23/08 7:49 PM > for mapping, i would really like if there was some kind of "conference" > as well. if some of the performers could stream their voice. it could be > a dialogue. > > aether9 > 2/23/08 7:57 PM > another thing that could be maybe interesting, are slow processual > actions... like putting fire to some (wooden) thing and watch it burn slowly > > Remote Control Monkey > 2/23/08 8:01 PM > new brainstream...I like the idea of burning (and the elements) - if we > all burned something in frame could be interesting - what if we held an > object, like the water glass, and then burned a > picture/drawing/representation of that object > > aether9 > 2/23/08 8:07 PM > i'm wondering if it could be interesting to step into some iconic > western/cowboy imagery ... on major moment of interaction could be a big > shootout between frame 4 and 6 the middle frame (5) passing the bullets > between them > > fe2cruz > 2/23/08 8:08 PM > YES let's have a killin! > > fe2cruz > 2/23/08 8:09 PM > the longest distanced showdown in western history > > Nylon > 2/23/08 8:18 PM > Can I suggest that we put all Red R. Hood....info onto the wiki to look > at possibilities sonic, visual code....in an outline form > > Nylon > 2/23/08 8:23 PM > versions that we all should be familiar with?? > > Nylon > 2/23/08 8:33 PM > Yes....slow change from light to darkness. Literally or......change from > positive image to negative (filmic Xray image) > > aether9 > 2/23/08 8:33 PM > the fact that the wolf is able to incorporate the grandmother suggests > he's actually rather a werewolf.. > > boris > 2/23/08 8:33 PM > i like this + / - positiv/negativ playing x-ray miaw > > Nylon > 2/23/08 8:39 PM > The theory is that smart wolves finured out that food was plentiful and > humans were not that dangerous and then crept closer to the fire and > shape shifted and inbred for docility > > fe2cruz > 2/23/08 8:40 PM > i've always imagined the 9 cells being used as an educational interface > > Remote Control Monkey > 2/23/08 8:41 PM > For research and development, the League is interested in building the > mythology behind some of these projects, with visuals, fake artifacts, > etc. - if there's interest or space we'd be down to develop some side > story that isn't necessarily in the performance (as we did for the > remote fairytales) > > Nylon > 2/23/08 8:41 PM > I was interested in Chris's mention of investing some dosh in editioned > items... > > fe2cruz > 2/23/08 8:42 PM > yeah sell the props, even on ebay > > Nylon > 2/23/08 8:43 PM > I have met the people from Janus....litho editions. The set up is that > they work with you up to an agreed artist proof and then produce the > entire edition and sell it for a percentage....it is a can't lose > arrangement if we can interest them in doing it > > Nylon > 2/23/08 8:45 PM > but if we stop paying ourselves and then do not make objets that can be > sold via gallerys....well how is this a solutio to dwindling money > > Remote Control Monkey > 2/23/08 8:49 PM > perhaps this is not the focus of aether as a group, though it is what > the league really does - contextualize events or stories in other ways > > Nylon > 2/23/08 8:50 PM > I think we need to move at least one foot into the 'actually or > established marketplace' with someting editioned, that people want. > Nothing we do will sell on ebay and the re-sale value of old stage items > is nothing unless they either owned by Damian Hearst or Some one > famous........what were the magic lanterns about that were produced by > you'all in Brussels or Geneva....I forget > > ideacritik > 2/23/08 9:02 PM > you know what -- i think i'm tired 'cause i'm really not understanding > anything anymore - so maybe i'll politely float away... i wanted to ask > something about grants so i'll write a mail. perhaps we should actually > plan a rehearsal - like a playing around time slot... i'll try and get a > camera. easier to test visual ideas... ok folks! ye-haa! pow pow pow!!! > > Nylon > 2/23/08 9:12 PM > But.....I am concerned about adding new contexts to Aether performances > to increase the audiences....which is why I thought of art fair evening > performances where an audience already is assembled > > aether9 > 2/23/08 9:12 PM > T-shirts - why not, but we need to find a place to print (not cheap > around geneva) and somebody to design them and somebody to sell them.... > > Nylon > 2/23/08 9:13 PM > BUT......I can hear you thinking ....we do need to get it together a bit > more > T-shirts are $4 each one colored printed in USA > There is hardly a band here that doesn't have a tee-shirt > > aether9 > 2/23/08 9:17 PM > ok, so we definitely need that .. > > Nylon > 2/23/08 9:21 PM > We can sell shirts because Aether is a great idea. > > aether9 > 2/23/08 9:22 PM > i will repeat that to myself every morning > > Nylon > 2/23/08 9:22 PM > You should....thats what I mean about thinking without poverty fears > The trick is to be the first networked performance team that becomes > known outside of the classroom > Design should be done ASAP.....like now. Then there is getting them over > there > I reccomend someone shipping with someone in their suitcase > > aether9 > 2/23/08 9:30 PM > hmm, what i'm thinking now about, which could be a selling strategy > (considering that whenever we tryied to sell nicely designed dvds at > gallery openings, we sold close to nothing) > would be to make a little series of VCDs (video-cd, cheaper than dvd, > plays on dvd player) with a cheap cover design looking like the pirate > stuff sold on the street by kids in south-east europe... > like pirate copies for the aether fan base > > Nylon > 2/23/08 9:35 PM > On the website and through a link from myspace....and seriously, art > fairs and stores...and give a few away to VIP types. Pirate copy style > is good. These thing don't need to look like heirlooms. Some poeple just > print a stencil on acitate, cut and spray paint....as loog as it looks great > I mean "looks good" > > fe2cruz > 2/23/08 9:36 PM > yeah in LA people only buy stuff with handmade packaging > we mostly don't even open and use the media inside > we just like the package so much > > aether9 > 2/23/08 9:36 PM > the point of the "pirate" esthetic, is that it looks horrible, kitsch > fonts, cheap bleeding color photocopy... > > Nylon > 2/23/08 9:36 PM > Here too. Like LA....we don't like chain store looking stuff > > fe2cruz > 2/23/08 9:36 PM > that's exactly what would sell at a little venue here > my friends sold cds in a paper bag with a cigarette > > Nylon > 2/23/08 9:41 PM > OK new performers. What is the thoughs on guest spots by the famous? > > aether9 > 2/23/08 9:41 PM > also, i've been contacted by a chinese artist who is interested in the > project > but not sure if she really intends to participate > > Nylon > 2/23/08 9:42 PM > I do live next door to the early vidoe poeple Judith Barry and Dan > Graham also > > fe2cruz > 2/23/08 9:42 PM > i've always seen this as an open group yes please judy bring them in! > > Nylon > 2/23/08 9:44 PM > almost anyone can be reached. Moby lives around the corner too > BUT>>>>>again, we are a bit unorganized as to what exactly we are doing. > Our website is more organized than we are at this point > > Nylon > 2/23/08 9:47 PM > Do we have a counter to tell how much web traffic we have on 1904.cc? > > aether9 > 2/23/08 9:53 PM > it says 200 visits per day for february 2008 > _______________________________________________ > aether mailing list > aether at [nospam] 1904.cc > http://lists.1904.cc/mailman/listinfo/aether The League of Imaginary Scientists From knickerbockerjuju at [nospam] yahoo.com Sun Feb 24 22:17:50 2008 From: knickerbockerjuju at [nospam] yahoo.com (Judy Nylon) Date: Sun, 24 Feb 2008 13:17:50 -0800 (PST) Subject: [aether] AGREED! Find someone close... regarding application... In-Reply-To: <163875.87455.qm {a+} web50207.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <943208.80387.qm {a+} web62305.mail.re1.yahoo.com> Audrey, I agree.....best to find someone close; added stress with these things is too much. Make it easy on yourself!! Best Luck with it, Judy : audrey: : Sat Feb 23 23: 51: 30 at [nospam] yahoo.com, UNEXPECTED_DATA_AFTER_ADDRESS_IN_GROUP at .SYNTAX-ERROR.;;;;;, "::audrey::" wrote: original signatures are required on this application form. since the deadline is march 1st - we need to deal with this asap! i thought the most efficient was to do this was for one of you to send the page to the other and then to me. the only problem is judy in in nyc, which requires a few days even by express post... i also realise this will incur fees (which is something i did not think of beforehand). i also wonder if we can accomplish this ontime. there are only four days left in february! i have to send it by the 29th (the 1st is a saturday). the link for the form: http://www.canadacouncil.ca/NR/rdonlyres/2E31A1C5-0023-4E60-900E-D8FE85E90B75/0/mag15af.pdf (page 11 and 12 have the co-candidate fields to enter - the first two pages of the actual form to fill after all the explanations regarding grant) *p12 has signature fields. would it make more sense to choose a closer-by european candidate for third slot - as it might then be possible to make it on time? perhaps from geneva-brussels-rotterdam? what do you think? i could potentially ask nicola unger, she is here, but i would still need a third person and i'm not sure i will see her today before she leaves for germany... audrey D?couvrez les photos les plus int?ressantes du jour. http://www.flickr.com/explore/interesting/7days/ _______________________________________________ aether mailing list aether at [nospam] 1904.cc http://lists.1904.cc/mailman/listinfo/aether --------------------------------- Never miss a thing. Make Yahoo your homepage. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.1904.cc/pipermail/aether/attachments/20080224/641c3adc/attachment.html From fougeras_nathalie at [nospam] yahoo.fr Mon Feb 25 02:32:36 2008 From: fougeras_nathalie at [nospam] yahoo.fr (fougeras nathalie) Date: Mon, 25 Feb 2008 02:32:36 +0100 (CET) Subject: [aether] RE : Re: Re : post-iMAL In-Reply-To: <3d22b5760802211501s3bd64a77td239a73c1883642a {a+} mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <576325.52359.qm {a+} web26110.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> Hi all and thanks for these feed-back too my feed-back about these points: - I 'm not sure about interaction between frames all the time or during all the performance, I think the story and actions can be alternate between intraction and not interaction: for example zoom and large point of view, or more like this frame 3 and 6, but not all the time. And for this sotry it was a schizophrenia person (the murder) so yes bubbles are sometimes welcome too. I don't believe about all the time interaction must be in all frames in a same script. - about text in the middle it was change during last days because first 2 frames one with this number of Acts and other with keywords, but we decide together to take off keywords so I think then we should to think the new place of this text then yes - in the spot here I receipt other remarks and critics like: "I prefered to follow these 3 stages than this screen" and "I shall like know when is the end".. so adjustments are to find too when we experiment a new dimension between the net and the stage(s) on location - the communication was not easy on the spot, I don't know but maybe the people of the n3krozoft group know and work together already, sometimes I felt this very closed and I don't understand all. I tried to propose this place in order to have this experience of communication too. I wanted have more rehearsal on the spot before but it was not possible because they have other things to do but it was ok to do with the time of all too. - i had a camera for my frame late and my patch was crashed during the end of the act III.. so I restart this patch and work with the stage in iMAL smoking cigarette with my assistent... and put a video loop about this play of cards for the 2 other Act at the end. I talked about this actor and assistent work in the stage during not work in the frame with Laure. - I want add about this scenario of CMYK, I wrote thinking to the Audrey and Laure scenario really: the idea of Audrey about the script when she open interaction between 2 actors in 2 frames / Laure & Chlo? script about these distribution of the frames in the html screen. I think experiences of others gave me this desire to write About iMAL: I'm agree with Manuel a paper communication is good to have too. I asked to Yves Bernard, he explained me he have not enough money for that. But the communication by internet was been done and some interviews did too about the Stream On You event. I know other centres of multimedia in other places where they are much people invited by post and come, but in Bruxelles I don't know very much about that.. cheers Nathalie chlo? cramer a ?crit : Hi all, How to react to this negative critics Audrey is raising? -the potentially interesting elements of our 'tool' were not explored (i.e. the exchange of elements between scenes like the typewriter -- this kind of exchange should have happened throughout the whole performance) -the image as a whole (the html interface) made no sense, it was really like autistic actors. it felt as if the frames had no meaning together. -the text in the middle frame did not resonate - it did not help the viewer to understand the actions of the actors or whatever else. -either make it totally abstract, or totally a 'followable narrative', not something in the middle. -the sound had peaks and drops, it lacked an overall 'background' (or atmosphere?) binding it together. -a lot of people just told me it simply made no sense to them. The feedbacks I got were the same and they were from people who are familiar with contemporary art. But it seems to me that we consciously chose to work in a certain way, away from the "leadership of a single mind". This means we will always mix our point of views and create a hybrid performance... Personnaly I think that we should really stress the screenplay. We need to write for this kind of performance specifically (this means simple stories implying a communication between the frames, a common easthetic and a good use of the text frame and the voice over). I am convinced that we should keep it simple and not try to go into the struggles of a complicated character. Maybe "a man falls in love with a woman" or "the rescue", like the first mute movies... Maybe then, with a very simple action, we can really explore the possibilities of this medium. To make more rehearsals seems to be a good way to discover what aether9 has to offer (even though it is allready difficult to gather when we need to rehearse for a specific event). I think that the preparation of the screenplay is very important because this is the moment where we actually decide what the frame-set will be. Is it possible to write all together? Probably not. So, who wants to explore this and take care of "the performance as a whole"... And isn't this in contradiction with the wish of having no "leadership"? It seems to me that those questions are part of the "aesthetic" problems we are facing. What do you think? Chlo? _______________________________________________ aether mailing list aether at [nospam] 1904.cc http://lists.1904.cc/mailman/listinfo/aether --------------------------------- Ne gardez plus qu'une seule adresse mail ! Copiez vos mails vers Yahoo! Mail -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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My instinct says that we are all living in a blur of info and need to develop a 'shorthand' of words to communicate within Aether. I will try to think in a telegramatic way when I write susinctly. JUDY fougeras nathalie wrote: Hi all and thanks for these feed-back too my feed-back about these points: - I 'm not sure about interaction between frames all the time or during all the performance, I think the story and actions can be alternate between intraction and not interaction: for example zoom and large point of view, or more like this frame 3 and 6, but not all the time. And for this sotry it was a schizophrenia person (the murder) so yes bubbles are sometimes welcome too. I don't believe about all the time interaction must be in all frames in a same script. - about text in the middle it was change during last days because first 2 frames one with this number of Acts and other with keywords, but we decide together to take off keywords so I think then we should to think the new place of this text then yes - in the spot here I receipt other remarks and critics like: "I prefered to follow these 3 stages than this screen" and "I shall like know when is the end".. so adjustments are to find too when we experiment a new dimension between the net and the stage(s) on location - the communication was not easy on the spot, I don't know but maybe the people of the n3krozoft group know and work together already, sometimes I felt this very closed and I don't understand all. I tried to propose this place in order to have this experience of communication too. I wanted have more rehearsal on the spot before but it was not possible because they have other things to do but it was ok to do with the time of all too. - i had a camera for my frame late and my patch was crashed during the end of the act III.. so I restart this patch and work with the stage in iMAL smoking cigarette with my assistent... and put a video loop about this play of cards for the 2 other Act at the end. I talked about this actor and assistent work in the stage during not work in the frame with Laure. - I want add about this scenario of CMYK, I wrote thinking to the Audrey and Laure scenario really: the idea of Audrey about the script when she open interaction between 2 actors in 2 frames / Laure & Chlo? script about these distribution of the frames in the html screen. I think experiences of others gave me this desire to write About iMAL: I'm agree with Manuel a paper communication is good to have too. I asked to Yves Bernard, he explained me he have not enough money for that. But the communication by internet was been done and some interviews did too about the Stream On You event. I know other centres of multimedia in other places where they are much people invited by post and come, but in Bruxelles I don't know very much about that.. cheers Nathalie chlo? cramer a ?crit : Hi all, How to react to this negative critics Audrey is raising? -the potentially interesting elements of our 'tool' were not explored (i.e. the exchange of elements between scenes like the typewriter -- this kind of exchange should have happened throughout the whole performance) -the image as a whole (the html interface) made no sense, it was really like autistic actors. it felt as if the frames had no meaning together. -the text in the middle frame did not resonate - it did not help the viewer to understand the actions of the actors or whatever else. -either make it totally abstract, or totally a 'followable narrative', not something in the middle. -the sound had peaks and drops, it lacked an overall 'background' (or atmosphere?) binding it together. -a lot of people just told me it simply made no sense to them. The feedbacks I got were the same and they were from people who are familiar with contemporary art. But it seems to me that we consciously chose to work in a certain way, away from the "leadership of a single mind". This means we will always mix our point of views and create a hybrid performance... Personnaly I think that we should really stress the screenplay. We need to write for this kind of performance specifically (this means simple stories implying a communication between the frames, a common easthetic and a good use of the text frame and the voice over). I am convinced that we should keep it simple and not try to go into the struggles of a complicated character. Maybe "a man falls in love with a woman" or "the rescue", like the first mute movies... Maybe then, with a very simple action, we can really explore the possibilities of this medium. To make more rehearsals seems to be a good way to discover what aether9 has to offer (even though it is allready difficult to gather when we need to rehearse for a specific event). I think that the preparation of the screenplay is very important because this is the moment where we actually decide what the frame-set will be. Is it possible to write all together? Probably not. So, who wants to explore this and take care of "the performance as a whole"... And isn't this in contradiction with the wish of having no "leadership"? It seems to me that those questions are part of the "aesthetic" problems we are facing. What do you think? Chlo? _______________________________________________ aether mailing list aether at [nospam] 1904.cc http://lists.1904.cc/mailman/listinfo/aether --------------------------------- Ne gardez plus qu'une seule adresse mail ! Copiez vos mails vers Yahoo! Mail _______________________________________________ aether mailing list aether at [nospam] 1904.cc http://lists.1904.cc/mailman/listinfo/aether --------------------------------- Never miss a thing. Make Yahoo your homepage. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.1904.cc/pipermail/aether/attachments/20080225/87bb9b28/attachment.html From ciruela at [nospam] une.net.co Tue Feb 26 13:10:45 2008 From: ciruela at [nospam] une.net.co (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?Paula_V=E9lez_Bravo?=) Date: Tue, 26 Feb 2008 07:10:45 -0500 Subject: [aether] Re : post-iMAL In-Reply-To: <49812.87504.qm {a+} web50211.mail.re2.yahoo.com> References: <49812.87504.qm {a+} web50211.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Message-ID: PAula?s assitant: Jimena Hernandez > >> partial participation: >> Jonathan Goldstein (USA) >> Paula's assistant (CO) >> Audrey's assistant (NL) >> > > audrey's assistant was: > Tom Stout (NL) > > > > > > D?couvrez les styles qui font sensation sur Yahoo! Qu?bec > Avatars. > http://cf.avatars.yahoo.com/ > _______________________________________________ > aether mailing list > aether at [nospam] 1904.cc > http://lists.1904.cc/mailman/listinfo/aether From ciruela at [nospam] une.net.co Tue Feb 26 13:57:58 2008 From: ciruela at [nospam] une.net.co (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?Paula_V=E9lez_Bravo?=) Date: Tue, 26 Feb 2008 07:57:58 -0500 Subject: [aether] vj and video In-Reply-To: <788988.18298.qm {a+} web62315.mail.re1.yahoo.com> References: <788988.18298.qm {a+} web62315.mail.re1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <365A5FDD-D57A-4106-B956-ACF279BE61E9 {a+} une.net.co> judy: about Dj and Vjing performances this is not a bad idea i think. Maybe if we developpe a patch in pure data that use video files and not ftp images. it is also a way we can explore and i think it could be interesting to deal with things like the delay between upload and download... The video posibility it is also very interesting i thing not only for Vjing use. paula El 22/02/2008, a las 18:32, Judy Nylon escribi?: > > > I have had feedback with lots of incomprehension but interest. The > web site is a good part of it. We must must make this work more > closely,clearly, purposefully, perhaps positioning ourselves closer > to VJs and bands is not terrible. I am DJing on the 27th at an > opening party sponsored by Christies and Rockefeller Center Plaza > for 2 Brit. artists who install an LED sculpture fountain. Through > this I have come in contact with things like the > www.artproductionfund.org crew. Have a look.They are producing the > Whitney Biannale this year too. > From ciruela at [nospam] une.net.co Tue Feb 26 16:47:30 2008 From: ciruela at [nospam] une.net.co (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?Paula_V=E9lez_Bravo?=) Date: Tue, 26 Feb 2008 10:47:30 -0500 Subject: [aether] detail i just noticed regarding application... In-Reply-To: <163875.87455.qm {a+} web50207.mail.re2.yahoo.com> References: <163875.87455.qm {a+} web50207.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <10B87F8D-23DF-4636-A4A6-F583CEC1482C {a+} une.net.co> audrey: i see manu et judy are ready to join you and help you with the project. I will love to do it to. Anyway i'm writing the letter too if you need someone else. I dont know if the colombian post is fastest but we could try. if you want just tell me. i'm looking to the application form. je ne sais pas si ?a sert a quelque chose mais j'ai aussi la nationalit? fran?aise, aussi bien que la colombienne bien s?r. je lis.... je pourrai t'envoyer directement ? toi et par la poste mon CV. je crois bien que ?a applique selon les conditions d'admisibilit?. en principe je vois qu'il n'y a que deux cocandidats. Manu et Judy. Alors tu me diras si tu as besoin d'aide suplementaire. Paula El 24/02/2008, a las 2:51, ::audrey:: escribi?: > original signatures are required on this application form. > since the deadline is march 1st - we need to deal with this asap! > i thought the most efficient was to do this was for one of you to > send the page to the other and then to me. the only problem is judy > in in nyc, which requires a few days even by express post... > i also realise this will incur fees (which is something i did not > think of beforehand). > i also wonder if we can accomplish this ontime. there are only four > days left in february! i have to send it by the 29th (the 1st is a > saturday). > > the link for the form: > http://www.canadacouncil.ca/NR/rdonlyres/2E31A1C5-0023-4E60-900E- > D8FE85E90B75/0/mag15af.pdf > (page 11 and 12 have the co-candidate fields to enter - the first > two pages of the actual form to fill after all the explanations > regarding grant) *p12 has signature fields. > > would it make more sense to choose a closer-by european candidate > for third slot - as it might then be possible to make it on time? > perhaps from geneva-brussels-rotterdam? > > what do you think? > > i could potentially ask nicola unger, she is here, but i would > still need a third person and i'm not sure i will see her today > before she leaves for germany... > > > audrey > > > > > > > > > > > D?couvrez les photos les plus int?ressantes du jour. > http://www.flickr.com/explore/interesting/7days/ > _______________________________________________ > aether mailing list > aether at [nospam] 1904.cc > http://lists.1904.cc/mailman/listinfo/aether From ideacritik at [nospam] yahoo.ca Tue Feb 26 17:17:49 2008 From: ideacritik at [nospam] yahoo.ca (::audrey::) Date: Tue, 26 Feb 2008 08:17:49 -0800 (PST) Subject: [aether] Re : detail i just noticed regarding application... Message-ID: <387499.99425.qm {a+} web50212.mail.re2.yahoo.com> merci! mais en fait que deux cocandidats sont possibles et lucy et manu m,ont d?j? envoy?s des lettres. donc voil? - c'est pas n?cessaire. audrey ----- Message initial ---- > De : Paula V?lez Bravo > ? : //// collaborative networked performance //// > Envoy? le : mardi 26 f?vrier 2008, 16 h 47 min 30 s > Objet : Re: [aether] detail i just noticed regarding application... > > audrey: > > i see manu et judy are ready to join you and help you with the > project. I will love to do it to. Anyway i'm writing the letter too > if you need someone else. > I dont know if the colombian post is fastest but we could try. if you > want just tell me. > i'm looking to the application form. > > je ne sais pas si ?a sert a quelque chose mais j'ai aussi la > nationalit? fran?aise, aussi bien que la colombienne bien s?r. je > lis.... > je pourrai t'envoyer directement ? toi et par la poste mon CV. je > crois bien que ?a applique selon les conditions d'admisibilit?. > > en principe je vois qu'il n'y a que deux cocandidats. Manu et Judy. > Alors tu me diras si tu as besoin d'aide suplementaire. > > Paula > > > > > El 24/02/2008, a las 2:51, ::audrey:: escribi?: > > > original signatures are required on this application form. > > since the deadline is march 1st - we need to deal with this asap! > > i thought the most efficient was to do this was for one of you to > > send the page to the other and then to me. the only problem is judy > > in in nyc, which requires a few days even by express post... > > i also realise this will incur fees (which is something i did not > > think of beforehand). > > i also wonder if we can accomplish this ontime. there are only four > > days left in february! i have to send it by the 29th (the 1st is a > > saturday). > > > > the link for the form: > > http://www.canadacouncil.ca/NR/rdonlyres/2E31A1C5-0023-4E60-900E- > > D8FE85E90B75/0/mag15af.pdf > > (page 11 and 12 have the co-candidate fields to enter - the first > > two pages of the actual form to fill after all the explanations > > regarding grant) *p12 has signature fields. > > > > would it make more sense to choose a closer-by european candidate > > for third slot - as it might then be possible to make it on time? > > perhaps from geneva-brussels-rotterdam? > > > > what do you think? > > > > i could potentially ask nicola unger, she is here, but i would > > still need a third person and i'm not sure i will see her today > > before she leaves for germany... > > > > > > audrey > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > D?couvrez les photos les plus int?ressantes du jour. > > http://www.flickr.com/explore/interesting/7days/ > > _______________________________________________ > > aether mailing list > > aether at [nospam] 1904.cc > > http://lists.1904.cc/mailman/listinfo/aether > > _______________________________________________ > aether mailing list > aether at [nospam] 1904.cc > http://lists.1904.cc/mailman/listinfo/aether > D?couvrez les styles qui font sensation sur Yahoo! Qu?bec Avatars. http://cf.avatars.yahoo.com/ From lauredinateur at [nospam] yahoo.de Wed Feb 27 01:17:51 2008 From: lauredinateur at [nospam] yahoo.de (laure deselys) Date: Wed, 27 Feb 2008 01:17:51 +0100 (CET) Subject: [aether] beckaett In-Reply-To: <365A5FDD-D57A-4106-B956-ACF279BE61E9 {a+} une.net.co> Message-ID: <315658.37135.qm {a+} web26711.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> Just a word to keep you informed about the proposal that chloe and i made for an exhibition in june with aether and the ghost trio. The results will be given on friday 7th march. The only thing I know until now is that only 4 projects have been chosen. cross fingers-----///// laure --- Paula V?lez Bravo schrieb: > judy: > about Dj and Vjing performances this is not a bad > idea i think. Maybe > if we developpe a patch in pure data that use video > files and not ftp > images. > it is also a way we can explore and i think it could > be interesting > to deal with things like the delay between upload > and download... The > video posibility it is also very interesting i thing > not only for > Vjing use. > paula > > El 22/02/2008, a las 18:32, Judy Nylon escribi?: > > > > > > I have had feedback with lots of incomprehension > but interest. The > > web site is a good part of it. We must must make > this work more > > closely,clearly, purposefully, perhaps positioning > ourselves closer > > to VJs and bands is not terrible. I am DJing on > the 27th at an > > opening party sponsored by Christies and > Rockefeller Center Plaza > > for 2 Brit. artists who install an LED sculpture > fountain. Through > > this I have come in contact with things like the > > > www.artproductionfund.org crew. Have a look.They > are producing the > > Whitney Biannale this year too. > > > _______________________________________________ > aether mailing list > aether at [nospam] 1904.cc > http://lists.1904.cc/mailman/listinfo/aether > Lesen Sie Ihre E-Mails jetzt einfach von unterwegs. www.yahoo.de/go From ciruela at [nospam] une.net.co Wed Feb 27 19:28:09 2008 From: ciruela at [nospam] une.net.co (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?Paula_V=E9lez_Bravo?=) Date: Wed, 27 Feb 2008 13:28:09 -0500 Subject: [aether] Re : post-iMAL In-Reply-To: References: <943520.53812.qm {a+} web50208.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <3C368374-9DCF-41D2-A402-D7D7F3E26D33 {a+} une.net.co> About this subject. I?m in the deal about how much can i ask to be paid by the place where we are going to do the Little Riding Hood performance.., and of course it will be on colombian pesos. I think it will not be a lot but i will communicate you later. But the same question i asked to my self. Some institutions do not pay, how can we do about all people who participate? (i want to appologise to because i'm very late with all videos i must send to the ftp aether server. ... but i'll do it.) I have send to the server a file named CAPERUCITA ROJA, there are some book images about this idea. and other ones are copys from a book i appreciate about the same story. it is like a little ridding hood in pixels... chers paula El 21/02/2008, a las 16:50, 1.1.1904 escribi?: > yeah, good question - how to deal with institutions who invite us but > "have no money"? > >> >> ps -- how can we 'pay' ourselves if we made almost no money? i know >> there is a grant - but does it make sense? just a question. >> > > _______________________________________________ > aether mailing list > aether at [nospam] 1904.cc > http://lists.1904.cc/mailman/listinfo/aether From ciruela at [nospam] une.net.co Wed Feb 27 19:22:18 2008 From: ciruela at [nospam] une.net.co (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?Paula_V=E9lez_Bravo?=) Date: Wed, 27 Feb 2008 13:22:18 -0500 Subject: [aether] An idea for some future date In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Lucy: the idea i have been thinking of it is not very far away from yours. i'm thinking of doing a interpretation of a ilustrated book i love about LRH story. It is about a question. How does the wolf arrive to dress with grandmothers clothes? the illustrations are beautiful and also funny. It is a funny and a simply part of the story that we could do and i propose it with this exposition about a lot of versions of the story. there is a big collection of books with grat version and a lot of kids will also came to the exibition. i'm always exited about doing things understandable for kids also. some times it is a good exercise to do things clear to a young public and even interesting aesthetical. This part of the story could be made using 8 frames with differents wolf (deguisement de loup) in each frame (each remote place, city). Each wolf must be trying to dress up with grand-mother clothes. sometimes it is too small, for another frame the wolf may put lipstick and do some transexual show in front o mirror, the other one could try o put on dress without succes and thongs like that.... i'm writing it very quickly with my terrible english... i can do a better script about it with the complete idea and some illustrations. the middle frame it will be the little girl walking in the woods, looking to flowers , taking some to bring them to grandmother and a clock passing by... time is running and she will arrive before the wolf get dress. this is the idea writed in a terrible way. But with this idea and squetch we can do sommeting very interesting, funny and we can developpe a complementary sound . I have some images of the book i will put them in the aether archive but i must be remembered about the user and password.... Alors, en fran?ais je pourrai expliquer mieux: Ce performance serait prevue pour le mois d'avril. L'exposition sur Le petit chaperon rouge sera ? partir du 6 mars or nous n'aurons pas le temps ni l'espace sur le lieu pour faire le performance ce jour l?. Donc, il vaut mieux avoir un peu de temps pour preparer l'id?e. Il y a desormais des choses encore ? m?tre au point car l'espace prevue pour faire le performance serai un lieu prevu comme auditorium mais qui est un comme un grand salon de classes ? l'origine (alors n'est pas tr?s beau) mais il y a beaucoup de gens qui viennen assister ? la programation durant l'annee. (cinema etc) ? cot? il y a une bibliotheque superbe, ancienne maison qui viens d'etre restaur? destin? pour la lecture des enfants. J'?spere pouvoir faire le perfprmance l? dedans plutot que dans l'auditorium. Bon, voil?. L'id?e pour le Chaperon ROuge viens d'un livre pour enfants que j'ai trov? particulierment drole et apte pour en faire une adaptation. Jamais on ne nous ont racont? dans cette histoire comment le loup ? reussi a m?tre les habits de la grand-mere. Pas facil pour un loup de s'habiller en humain, pire encore en grand-mere. Alors d?j? il ouvre une malle? un placard? puis mets le culottes, chaussettes, chemise, piyama, va savoir. En tout cas je pourrai imaginer 8 frames avec des loups (deguisements diferents car l'imaginaire de chaque pays peut avoir son id?e particulier de qu'est ce qu'un loup, le pelouche tr?s pratique comme tissu aussi bien qu'un carton peint masque pour le museau). Les loups vont avoir differents fa?ons de s'habiller , o? d'essayer les v?tements de la grand-mere. Certaines vont s'en enmeler avec, un autre aura une malle du quel il pourra sortir diferents habits pour en choisir celui qui lui pl?it mieux en jettant vers le frame voisin ceux qui ne lui conviens pas. un autre va avoir du mal a trouver des v?tements en cherchant partout (va trouver tout sorte d'objets sauf des fringues), un autre va essayer les fringues devant un mirroir au point de se plaire vachement de se voir avec un soutiens gorge et du rouge a l?vres.,,, Dans la fenetre du milieux il pourrai y avoir La petite chaperon rouge en train de rammaser des fleurs, lisant une BD (ou un livre du chapperon rouge)... Cette histoire du loup viens d'un livre de Jean-Luc Buquet appel? "le petit chaperon rouge. la scene de la chemise de nuit". On ne montre que le loup enmerd? en essayant de s'habill? a toute vitesse et un horloge o? on voit bien d?filer le temps qui passe. c'est celle l? mon id?e pour cette performance qui est un peu ? la commande. car il est pour un espace particulier dans lequel pourrai y avoir un enregistrement pour le m?tre en boucle apr?s sur une tv pendant la dur?e de l'exposition. (pourquoi pas....quoi que...) Plus tard on pourra developper d'autres versions , autres scripts autour du chapperon rouge si l'on veut. Car il se trouve que c'est un tr?s bon sujet. Je ne sais pas au juste si cette fa?on de raconter l'histoire de chaperon rouge va resoudre les problemes de contenu, mis en forme, script que nous avons eu le dernier temps. Mais on pourra metre en discusion ce sujet. alors , ce n'est pas loin d'une choreographie.... quelque part. Un tableau vivant que pour le coup nous laisera devinner ce qui se passe hors champ, pas seulementpour la connaisance universal de ce compte mais pour une id?e de m?tre en place dans differents niveaux des chambres reconstitues... des espaces de cette chambre. le coin placard, le coin malle, le coin ? cot? de la table de nuit, le cot? fenetre, chaise, lit. La posible communication entre les vignettes (j'appel vignetes au frames pour la ressemblance cette fois ? une BD, or livre illustr?, ou tableau vivant ? la fa?on harry potter o? maison hant?), en fin, beaucoup de choses a discuter. Je vais quand meme lire bien la dernier discusion sur skype. salut sorry for changing language, it was difficult tu explain in english. i will try to translate if you all need ... i must do the effort next time, i promise. Paula > What about taking something non-narrative, like choreography, and > enacting it as a nine-screen interpretation? (see below) Then > again, I (always and still) love the combined mythological and > scientific references of the original aether performance. > > Looking forward to red riding hood. For fun ? here?s Monty > Python?s version of the fairytale: http://www.youtube.com/watch? > v=iKbWdgW6sD8 > How to subvert the traditional fairytale, and have our own surprise > ending? (does anyone have a dog that looks like a wolf?!) I have > a dog, but she?s old and a mutt and not so wolf-like. Would be > interesting if we all had dogs that we could place on-screen at the > same point, except for the one central screen where a demure > character with a red cape is staring around her, tremulously ? > surrounded on all sides by the ?wolf? (perhaps we could have some > dogs and some people with wolf masks...) OK, I?m getting carried > away... > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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URL: http://lists.1904.cc/pipermail/aether/attachments/20080227/59c8d3e8/attachment.html From ciruela at [nospam] une.net.co Thu Feb 28 15:27:32 2008 From: ciruela at [nospam] une.net.co (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?Paula_V=E9lez_Bravo?=) Date: Thu, 28 Feb 2008 09:27:32 -0500 Subject: [aether] future venues-performances In-Reply-To: <617889.7760.qm {a+} web50212.mail.re2.yahoo.com> References: <617889.7760.qm {a+} web50212.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <188CBCD7-6E4E-4E7F-8369-C760A2A2619E {a+} une.net.co> i'm fixing the date . it will be in april but i must choice a day. i'm free to do it. paula El 28/02/2008, a las 2:48, ::audrey:: escribi?: > i have inscribed the following 'future dates' in the application - > paula can you confirm the one in columbia? (date, place etc.) any > others? > -------- > 04.2008 - Mapping Festival, B?timent d'Art Contemporain, Gen?ve > [Suisse]. > 07.2008 - ISEA 2008, [Singapore]. > > cheers > > > ps (asap!) > > D?couvrez les styles qui font sensation sur Yahoo! 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URL: http://lists.1904.cc/pipermail/aether/attachments/20080228/cb863943/attachment.html From ideacritik at [nospam] yahoo.ca Thu Feb 28 18:00:42 2008 From: ideacritik at [nospam] yahoo.ca (::audrey::) Date: Thu, 28 Feb 2008 09:00:42 -0800 (PST) Subject: [aether] - dossier Canada Art Council Message-ID: <92752.27705.qm {a+} web50204.mail.re2.yahoo.com> hi all, as promissed, though perhaps a bit late, i've uploaded the 'dossier' for the CAC application in the 'material' section of aether's server, direct link: http://1904.cc/~aether/material/Dossier_CanadianArtCouncil.doc (it's in french) if anyone feels like reading over it to comment - that is welcome - of course it would have to be done before midnight-ish since i have to send it early tomorrow morning. thanx again to my 'collaborators'... still lots to do! evenin' folks. idea....k ps i'll be on skype - available for any instant comments D?couvrez les styles qui font sensation sur Yahoo! Qu?bec Avatars. http://cf.avatars.yahoo.com/ From ciruela at [nospam] une.net.co Thu Feb 28 20:10:27 2008 From: ciruela at [nospam] une.net.co (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?Paula_V=E9lez_Bravo?=) Date: Thu, 28 Feb 2008 14:10:27 -0500 Subject: [aether] - dossier Festival Internacional de la imagen Manizalez In-Reply-To: <92752.27705.qm {a+} web50204.mail.re2.yahoo.com> References: <92752.27705.qm {a+} web50204.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <38A2F5EF-D077-410B-9F94-7352BFBDE5EA {a+} une.net.co> je suis en train de reemplir un dossier pour participer dans cette festival http://www.festivaldelaimagen.com/ avec aether il faut tout envoyer demain. les dates sont tout pres de mapping fest, mais je crois bien qu'on pourra le faire. ce festival vaut le coup. paula From ciruela at [nospam] une.net.co Thu Feb 28 20:37:32 2008 From: ciruela at [nospam] une.net.co (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?Paula_V=E9lez_Bravo?=) Date: Thu, 28 Feb 2008 14:37:32 -0500 Subject: [aether] - dossier Festival Internacional de la imagen Manizalez In-Reply-To: <38A2F5EF-D077-410B-9F94-7352BFBDE5EA {a+} une.net.co> References: <92752.27705.qm {a+} web50204.mail.re2.yahoo.com> <38A2F5EF-D077-410B-9F94-7352BFBDE5EA {a+} une.net.co> Message-ID: voici l'adreese http://www.festivaldelaimagen.com/ampliacion_noticia.php? 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