From knickerbockerjuju at [nospam] yahoo.com Wed Jan 2 04:27:52 2008 From: knickerbockerjuju at [nospam] yahoo.com (Judy Nylon) Date: Tue, 1 Jan 2008 19:27:52 -0800 (PST) Subject: [aether] last transmission of the year In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <392349.29071.qm {a+} web62314.mail.re1.yahoo.com> Into 2k8.... I would like to have my Novi Sad credit include "live voice" as well as "sound". Re: fees I feel management of an aether points system will take energy away from more important developments and prefer the payment via PayPal based upon degree of participation as outlined. At least for now. It is my secret hope that (at least some) of the grant money might be used to 'make more money'. Perhaps we can cull inspiration from the world of ARGs in some sort of hybrid ART-ARG mode of presentation. That the story we would be telling 'never ends' is one way of eliminating the loss of an on-line audience through randomly sched. performances. Merchandising of artifacts needs to be considered to allow us the freedom of developing this project. T-shirts/limited edition prints always made more money than books or CDs. Consultancy is another option, though you own nothing, it increases visibility . In this case we could set-up a business with many points of sale that would provide regular stipends and assign a slowly increasing value to the group archive. Using many modes of communication is also interesting for story development and produces artifacts that are more narratively tied in than documentation. The most lucid overview I've found of cross-media storytelling historically from 2k5-2k7 is this blog: http://www.christydena.com/online-essays/arg-stats/ The FAQ in the ARG "METACORTECHS (aka PROJECT MU)" reveals rather a lot of the nuts and bolts in the writing form for ARGs and the player numbers are astounding as long as they trust you to provide a interesting experience. Finally, with everyone's permission, I would make a MySpace page for Aether9, linked to aether at [nospam] 1904.cc and the usual password. Setting this up from the US is best. We can all work on making this work as long as MySpace (better demographics than FaceBook) still has something to offer and is free. I will look at PUREDATA as suggested. Long day here and tomorrow the year really starts, Judy "1.1-1904" <1.1 [*] 1904.cc> wrote: hi aethernauts, last transmission before the end of 2k7! -TOPIC:VIDEO_MONTAGE. - i'm currently re-editing/re-assembling the video captures of the ghost-trio performance, using the full recording by chris as a timing reference, and mapping on it the videos in higher resolution that were recorded at some locations (geneva and brussels), as well as judy's orginial sound. - paula and nathalie, did you record your own video part with the max patch? in this case please upload the file to the ~aether/archive/2007.12.novi_sad directory -TOPIC:ARCHIVE+BUDGET this is a list of all the people who participated in the performance + their roles (as far as i know, please correct if i forgot anything): * Yorba Linda, upper frame (#2) Christiaan Cruz: video, acting * NYC, sound Judy Nylon: audio Jonathan Goldstein: audio * Brussels, middle frame (#5) Laure de Selys: concept, directing Boris Kish: directing Richard Milan: actor Chlo??? Cramer: concept, live text (frames #1 and #3) * Geneva, left frame (#4) Manuel Schmalstieg: html code, acting Anna Popek: assistance * Medellin, right frame (#6) Paula V???lez: directing Viviana Palacio: assistance Juan Guillermo Caicedo: acting (man, right frame) Pedro Hermelin: acting (kid) * Brussels, lower frames (#7-8-9) Nathalie Fougeras: video * Novi Sad luka princic: sound mix cym: presentation, setup + travel this brings us also to the question of how to determine the fees... we were discussing some months ago the possibility of a "credits" system, but we didn't came to a definitive working conclusion yet. the other option would be to attribute to each performance a given amount, for example 2000 CHF, which we then shared among the participants (in this case that's an average of 125 CHF). in this case, it could maybe make sense to have two "categories" of participants (to reflect the amount of time/energy involved): - "full participation" for people who took part intensively, in several rehearsals. - "partial participation" for people who weren't fully involved in several rehearsals, or had a comparably small task. Which, for the ghost-performance, would give this: *full participation (incl.rehearsals): Cym: presentation, setup + travel Paula V???lez: directing Chlo??? Cramer: concept, live text Manuel Schmalstieg: html code, acting Boris Kish: directing Nathalie Fougeras: video Laure de Selys: concept, directing Richard Milan: acting Judy Nylon: audio Jonathan Goldstein: audio Christiaan Cruz: video, acting (11 ppl) *partial participation (no/few rehearsals): Luka Princic: sound mix Viviana Palacio: assistance Juan Guillermo Caicedo: acting Pedro Hermelin: acting Anna Popek: assistance (5 ppl) Please give some feedback of what you think about that options. Of course, it would be somehow cooler to develop our credit system, but while in theory it sounded nice, it doesnt seem to work so well with this one massive one-time grant. Maybe we can come up with a sort of hybrid system, where participants can either get paid cash or acquire an equal amount of "aether-shares"...? (see the etoy.SHARE system for a reference, but i never really understood the benefit of owning those shares...) as a reminder, for the participants in the Rotterdam performance (02.07.2007), there are still some funds that haven't been requested yet: Nathalie, Cym, Paula, Luka, Alejo (32,59 CHF / 20 credits each) Chris (48,89 CHF / 30 credits) some other mixed news: - TOPIC: Ghost-Trio-Feedback: Helen V.J. wrote after the Novi Sad performance: "i watched the show last weekend from new zealand, it was very interesting : ) i know a lot of beckett's work but actually was not familiar with ghost trio. his work is almost written for the web (we did come & go at the upstage festival)." Helen is btw the mastermind of AvatarBodyCollision and the http://upstage.org.nz/ project, which Lucy and some others already mentioned. Interesting, somehow similar but also quite different from our approach. Certainly worth of trying it out, there are "walkthroughs" for beginners announced on the website from time to time (or just contact her if you're interested). - TOPIC: PUREDATA. we talked with boris about exploring further the possibilities of using the aether system with (the open-source) PureData rather than max.. we also had the idea that, if necessary, we could use part of our budget to pay some skilled person to develop a cross-platform Upload-Download object for PD (similar to jit.uldl, but better...). however, this would make only sense if some of us start to become familiar with PD.. so as a start, in your free time time, download PureData http://puredata.info/downloads/ - and play around with some of these patches - http://1904.cc/~aether/kode/puredata_streaming/ - TOPIC: PERFORMANCE in April 08 at Mapping Festival. I'm going to submit aether for a performance at Mapping Festival in April 2008, between 10 and 20th April (for me between 15th and 20th will be best). That's where everything started... ;) I have the idea of proposing a collaboration with a music group playing experimental drone soundscapes (guitars + electronics + sometimes percussion), or as they describe it: "super modern country". so there would be a live music part.. i think this would fit well for this festival, and it's nice to try different settings. the band's name is Bliscappen Van Maria, their webpage: http://www.10111.org/bliscappenvanmaria/ they are of course good friends of me, and we worked sometimes together. they watched some aether9 performances, and are interested... we talked about having them appearing in one frame, as part of the storyline, but that's up for discussion still. let's maybe see first how the Brussels performance for February develops... good wishes to all of you, manuel _______________________________________________ aether mailing list aether at [nospam] 1904.cc http://lists.1904.cc/mailman/listinfo/aether --------------------------------- Never miss a thing. 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Cramer: concept, live text (frames #1 and #3) * Geneva, left frame (#4) Manuel Schmalstieg: html code, acting Anna Popek: assistance * Medellin, right frame (#6) Paula V?lez: directing Viviana Palacio: assistance Juan Guillermo Caicedo: acting (man, right frame) Pedro Hermelin: acting (kid) * Brussels, lower frames (#7-8-9) Nathalie Fougeras: video * Novi Sad luka princic: sound mix cym: presentation, setup + travel this brings us also to the question of how to determine the fees... we were discussing some months ago the possibility of a "credits" system, but we didn't came to a definitive working conclusion yet. the other option would be to attribute to each performance a given amount, for example 2000 CHF, which we then shared among the participants (in this case that's an average of 125 CHF). in this case, it could maybe make sense to have two "categories" of participants (to reflect the amount of time/energy involved): - "full participation" for people who took part intensively, in several rehearsals. - "partial participation" for people who weren't fully involved in several rehearsals, or had a comparably small task. Which, for the ghost-performance, would give this: *full participation (incl.rehearsals): Cym: presentation, setup + travel Paula V?lez: directing Chlo? Cramer: concept, live text Manuel Schmalstieg: html code, acting Boris Kish: directing Nathalie Fougeras: video Laure de Selys: concept, directing Richard Milan: acting Judy Nylon: audio Jonathan Goldstein: audio Christiaan Cruz: video, acting (11 ppl) *partial participation (no/few rehearsals): Luka Princic: sound mix Viviana Palacio: assistance Juan Guillermo Caicedo: acting Pedro Hermelin: acting Anna Popek: assistance (5 ppl) Please give some feedback of what you think about that options. Of course, it would be somehow cooler to develop our credit system, but while in theory it sounded nice, it doesnt seem to work so well with this one massive one-time grant. Maybe we can come up with a sort of hybrid system, where participants can either get paid cash or acquire an equal amount of "aether-shares"...? (see the etoy.SHARE system for a reference, but i never really understood the benefit of owning those shares...) as a reminder, for the participants in the Rotterdam performance (02.07.2007), there are still some funds that haven't been requested yet: Nathalie, Cym, Paula, Luka, Alejo (32,59 CHF / 20 credits each) Chris (48,89 CHF / 30 credits) some other mixed news: - TOPIC: Ghost-Trio-Feedback: Helen V.J. wrote after the Novi Sad performance: "i watched the show last weekend from new zealand, it was very interesting : ) i know a lot of beckett's work but actually was not familiar with ghost trio. his work is almost written for the web (we did come & go at the upstage festival)." Helen is btw the mastermind of AvatarBodyCollision and the http://upstage.org.nz/ project, which Lucy and some others already mentioned. Interesting, somehow similar but also quite different from our approach. Certainly worth of trying it out, there are "walkthroughs" for beginners announced on the website from time to time (or just contact her if you're interested). - TOPIC: PUREDATA. we talked with boris about exploring further the possibilities of using the aether system with (the open-source) PureData rather than max.. we also had the idea that, if necessary, we could use part of our budget to pay some skilled person to develop a cross-platform Upload-Download object for PD (similar to jit.uldl, but better...). however, this would make only sense if some of us start to become familiar with PD.. so as a start, in your free time time, download PureData http://puredata.info/downloads/ - and play around with some of these patches - http://1904.cc/~aether/kode/puredata_streaming/ - TOPIC: PERFORMANCE in April 08 at Mapping Festival. I'm going to submit aether for a performance at Mapping Festival in April 2008, between 10 and 20th April (for me between 15th and 20th will be best). That's where everything started... ;) I have the idea of proposing a collaboration with a music group playing experimental drone soundscapes (guitars + electronics + sometimes percussion), or as they describe it: "super modern country". so there would be a live music part.. i think this would fit well for this festival, and it's nice to try different settings. the band's name is Bliscappen Van Maria, their webpage: http://www.10111.org/bliscappenvanmaria/ they are of course good friends of me, and we worked sometimes together. they watched some aether9 performances, and are interested... we talked about having them appearing in one frame, as part of the storyline, but that's up for discussion still. let's maybe see first how the Brussels performance for February develops... good wishes to all of you, manuel _______________________________________________ aether mailing list aether at [nospam] 1904.cc http://lists.1904.cc/mailman/listinfo/aether --------------------------------- Ne gardez plus qu'une seule adresse mail ! Copiez vos mails vers Yahoo! Mail -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.1904.cc/pipermail/aether/attachments/20080105/9d36a4bf/attachment.html From alejoduque at [nospam] gmail.com Sat Jan 5 03:04:27 2008 From: alejoduque at [nospam] gmail.com (alejo d) Date: Sat, 5 Jan 2008 03:04:27 +0100 Subject: [aether] ogg video as a native plugin in firefox 3 Message-ID: FY-AE-I http://www.double.co.nz/video_test/ /a From knickerbockerjuju at [nospam] yahoo.com Sun Jan 6 04:52:20 2008 From: knickerbockerjuju at [nospam] yahoo.com (Judy Nylon) Date: Sat, 5 Jan 2008 19:52:20 -0800 (PST) Subject: [aether] Audrey...2 articles on a 'death ritual' I'd not heard of... In-Reply-To: <583342.72466.qm {a+} web50211.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <740677.26212.qm {a+} web62303.mail.re1.yahoo.com> Hi Audrey, This practice is called Minghun. I saw it mentioned on TV and looked it up. I don't know how close this is to what you were thinking of but it is curious that it caught my attention (very visually strong) at nearly the same time. Best, Judy : audrey: : Fri Jan 4 06: 31: 22 at [nospam] yahoo.com, UNEXPECTED_DATA_AFTER_ADDRESS_IN_GROUP at .SYNTAX-ERROR.;;;;;, "::audrey::" wrote: >can't wait for the next session. hopefully some >of the other aethers absent of late will join in again. oh yes ! happy new year and may the year of the rat bring stable internet connection to us all! looking forward to being online and 'aethernauting' : ) been thinking about a death ritual theme for some time (not morbid really) - which i'll articulate more at a later date. audrey::ideacritik --------------------------------- Pour No?l, offrez un compte Flickr Pro ? vos amis et ? votre famille. 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My job includes lots of involvement with Free Software and Open Source Software in terms of technological and cultural aspects. Other than this, currently, I'm focusing on use of new media in visual arts, specially computers. I'm a newbie in the field though; I had a performance in Tehran which included live writing through typing in a word-processor screen which was projected on a wall in the gallery. I'm working on the concept of "writing the atmosphere" and trying to make the whole performance more dynamic and interactive. In case of interest you can find more information about me at http://www.nyrt.net/wordpress_reloading/?page_id=164 I like the idea of an online performance with a few performers from all around the globe. I'm reading more about your previous performances and I gotta admit that your mailing list archive can be extremely educational for those who want to start these kind of projects or those who want to study their theoretical/historical aspects. I'm looking forward to next online performance. Regards, Shervin From bk at [nospam] n3krozoft.com Tue Jan 8 17:12:39 2008 From: bk at [nospam] n3krozoft.com (bk) Date: Tue, 08 Jan 2008 17:12:39 +0100 Subject: [aether] last transmission of the year In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <4783A0F7.4090008 {a+} n3krozoft.com> Hi all, So to share the 2000 swiss francs (CHF) we arbitrarely and implicitely accepted as the overall fee for the last performance, i propose the following: for the "full participants": 150 CHF per person (11 x 150 = 1650) for the "partial participants": 70 CHF per person (5 x 70 = 350) Dreaming of "making more money", Judy talked about ARG's and pointed towards www.christydena.com/online-essays/arg-stats. For a good intro to ARG's, you can also browse the wikipedia: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alternate_reality_game Indeed very very interesting. And welcome to you Sharvin, thank you for your intro and we should start to think how Aether9 could be presented somehow in Iran. Do you and Amirali have suggestions? Locations-organisation-events that would be intersted and interesting for Aether9? Thematic? By the way what's the internet situation in your country? Is there a situation at all? Long life to 2008, Boris > this brings us also to the question of how to > determine the fees... we were discussing some > months ago the possibility of a "credits" system, > but we didn't came to a definitive working > conclusion yet. > > the other option would be to attribute to each > performance a given amount, for example 2000 CHF, > which we then shared among the participants (in > this case that's an average of 125 CHF). in this > case, it could maybe make sense to have two > "categories" of participants (to reflect the > amount of time/energy involved): > - "full participation" for people who took part > intensively, in several rehearsals. > - "partial participation" for people who weren't > fully involved in several rehearsals, or had a > comparably small task. > > Which, for the ghost-performance, would give this: > > *full participation (incl.rehearsals): > Cym: presentation, setup + travel > Paula V?lez: directing > Chlo? Cramer: concept, live text > Manuel Schmalstieg: html code, acting > Boris Kish: directing > Nathalie Fougeras: video > Laure de Selys: concept, directing > Richard Milan: acting > Judy Nylon: audio > Jonathan Goldstein: audio > Christiaan Cruz: video, acting > (11 ppl) > > *partial participation (no/few rehearsals): > Luka Princic: sound mix > Viviana Palacio: assistance > Juan Guillermo Caicedo: acting > Pedro Hermelin: acting > Anna Popek: assistance > (5 ppl) > > Please give some feedback of what you think about > that options. Of course, it would be somehow > cooler to develop our credit system, but while in > theory it sounded nice, it doesnt seem to work so > well with this one massive one-time grant. Maybe > we can come up with a sort of hybrid system, > where participants can either get paid cash or > acquire an equal amount of "aether-shares"...? > (see the etoy.SHARE system for a reference, but i > never really understood the benefit of owning > those shares...) > From knickerbockerjuju at [nospam] yahoo.com Wed Jan 9 02:28:54 2008 From: knickerbockerjuju at [nospam] yahoo.com (Judy Nylon) Date: Tue, 8 Jan 2008 17:28:54 -0800 (PST) Subject: [aether] last transmission of the year In-Reply-To: <4783A0F7.4090008 {a+} n3krozoft.com> Message-ID: <331934.713.qm {a+} web62312.mail.re1.yahoo.com> Hi everybody.....Boris, before i forget, Jonathan Goldstein's PayPal info is straylight at mac.com. I am glad you enjoyed the ARG idea too. How can we use it? I will be thinking about it. At the moment, I am finishing a deadline app for MacDowell .... http://www.macdowellcolony.org/ Judy bk wrote: Hi all, So to share the 2000 swiss francs (CHF) we arbitrarely and implicitely accepted as the overall fee for the last performance, i propose the following: for the "full participants": 150 CHF per person (11 x 150 = 1650) for the "partial participants": 70 CHF per person (5 x 70 = 350) Dreaming of "making more money", Judy talked about ARG's and pointed towards www.christydena.com/online-essays/arg-stats. For a good intro to ARG's, you can also browse the wikipedia: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alternate_reality_game Indeed very very interesting. And welcome to you Sharvin, thank you for your intro and we should start to think how Aether9 could be presented somehow in Iran. Do you and Amirali have suggestions? Locations-organisation-events that would be intersted and interesting for Aether9? Thematic? By the way what's the internet situation in your country? Is there a situation at all? Long life to 2008, Boris > this brings us also to the question of how to > determine the fees... we were discussing some > months ago the possibility of a "credits" system, > but we didn't came to a definitive working > conclusion yet. > > the other option would be to attribute to each > performance a given amount, for example 2000 CHF, > which we then shared among the participants (in > this case that's an average of 125 CHF). in this > case, it could maybe make sense to have two > "categories" of participants (to reflect the > amount of time/energy involved): > - "full participation" for people who took part > intensively, in several rehearsals. > - "partial participation" for people who weren't > fully involved in several rehearsals, or had a > comparably small task. > > Which, for the ghost-performance, would give this: > > *full participation (incl.rehearsals): > Cym: presentation, setup + travel > Paula V?lez: directing > Chlo? Cramer: concept, live text > Manuel Schmalstieg: html code, acting > Boris Kish: directing > Nathalie Fougeras: video > Laure de Selys: concept, directing > Richard Milan: acting > Judy Nylon: audio > Jonathan Goldstein: audio > Christiaan Cruz: video, acting > (11 ppl) > > *partial participation (no/few rehearsals): > Luka Princic: sound mix > Viviana Palacio: assistance > Juan Guillermo Caicedo: acting > Pedro Hermelin: acting > Anna Popek: assistance > (5 ppl) > > Please give some feedback of what you think about > that options. Of course, it would be somehow > cooler to develop our credit system, but while in > theory it sounded nice, it doesnt seem to work so > well with this one massive one-time grant. Maybe > we can come up with a sort of hybrid system, > where participants can either get paid cash or > acquire an equal amount of "aether-shares"...? > (see the etoy.SHARE system for a reference, but i > never really understood the benefit of owning > those shares...) > _______________________________________________ aether mailing list aether at [nospam] 1904.cc http://lists.1904.cc/mailman/listinfo/aether --------------------------------- Looking for last minute shopping deals? Find them fast with Yahoo! Search. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.1904.cc/pipermail/aether/attachments/20080108/b83c8302/attachment.html From shervinafshar at [nospam] gmail.com Fri Jan 11 12:19:05 2008 From: shervinafshar at [nospam] gmail.com (Shervin Afshar) Date: Fri, 11 Jan 2008 14:49:05 +0330 Subject: [aether] aether Digest, Vol 9, Issue 7 In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: > > > And welcome to you Sharvin, thank you for your intro and we should start > to think how Aether9 could be presented somehow in Iran. Do you and > Amirali have suggestions? Locations-organisation-events that would be > intersted and interesting for Aether9? Thematic? By the way what's the > internet situation in your country? Is there a situation at all? Boris, Thanks. I have not talked with Amirali about the possible venues for presenting Aether9. Though, I guess a few venues can be used for that. Personally, I like to help in case a Tehran presentation is planned. By now, I'm trying to investigate all the themes, concepts, and forms you've experiences in Aether9 projects. After that, I can be more exact about any suggestions. About the Internet, there is a situation for sure; People switching from dial-up access to broad-band and number of people who are online is growing rapidly. Of course, content blocking is done by the government which includes blocking of religiously offensive, politically "not-right", and sexual contents. Shervin -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Message-ID: <61032.34648.qm {a+} web50207.mail.re2.yahoo.com> hi all - i finally got hold of a really shitty screencast... put here: http://1904.cc/~aether/archive/2007.07.02_Rotterdam/ (the files are aether.mp3 which is the whole sound and aether.mpeg which is a 2.30min version... so can not be integrated to each other because of length discrepancy + a stop-frame of our existing drop frame format... so hardly good but ok). the one thing i do like about this screencast is that the middle frames, with the actors, have scrollbars on the left. since many people had asked me after the performance if it was live or not and etc - i thought this scrollbar is in fact some kind of clear indication... (this was recorded from another screen, the audience saw the slick scrollbar free version). i planned on getting my hands on a dv recording of the whole thing. if that wish materialises i'll edit/upload it too... audrey ? la recherche du cadeau id?al? 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Make Yahoo your homepage. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.1904.cc/pipermail/aether/attachments/20080115/8e32d32b/attachment.html From fe2cruz at [nospam] hotmail.com Tue Jan 15 18:53:08 2008 From: fe2cruz at [nospam] hotmail.com (christiaan cruz) Date: Tue, 15 Jan 2008 09:53:08 -0800 Subject: [aether] aether Digest, Vol 9, Issue 10 In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: anybody turned something in for this yet? http://www.vocento.com/English/accion-cultural/arte-web.html Competition ARTE 2.0 VOCENTO: the art of exhibiting art online VOCENTO and ARCO invite proposals for innovative and experimental online platforms and effective web tools to foster and stimulate the presence, exhibition, communication and management of art on the Internet. The selected proposal will be awarded with a production budget of 15,000 euros (taxes included) to realise the project. The competition wishes to encourage research in the field of social technologies and artistic practice, and more specifically to identify current needs and provide suitable solutions for art galleries in the context of the Internet that would benefit communication between art and society. The proposal, a complete web concept, or environment, or tool, will be an application to be implemented by art galleries. The winning proposal will be selected by an international Jury, made up of two experts in the field of art and technology: Joasia Krysa (KURATOR/UoP, UK) and Santiago Ortiz (artist, moebio.com, Colombia), and a representative of VOCENTO (Spain). LaAgencia will act as coordinator of the award and jury secretary. To participate in this competition, proposals must be registered by the person or the group in this website. Production of the award-winning proposal has to be completed in a maximum period of six months. Once produced, a complete web concept, or environment, or tool, will be freely distributed for implementation by the participant galleries at ARCO?s 2008 edition and the galleries participating at ARCO?s 2009 edition.Notification of the winner date: 16th of February 2008. The Award prize of the winning proposal will receive a total of 15.000 euros budget (taxes included). -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.1904.cc/pipermail/aether/attachments/20080115/77a063ed/attachment.html From 1.1 [*] 1904.cc Wed Jan 16 00:14:24 2008 From: 1.1 [*] 1904.cc (1.1.1904) Date: Wed, 16 Jan 2008 00:14:24 +0100 Subject: [aether] vocento In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: no, but somebody should - this sounds quite aether-ish indeed.. >anybody turned something in for this yet? >http://www.vocento.com/English/accion-cultural/arte-web.html > From 1.1 [*] 1904.cc Wed Jan 16 00:22:59 2008 From: 1.1 [*] 1904.cc (1.1.1904) Date: Wed, 16 Jan 2008 00:22:59 +0100 Subject: [aether] rotterdam... In-Reply-To: <61032.34648.qm {a+} web50207.mail.re2.yahoo.com> References: <61032.34648.qm {a+} web50207.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Message-ID: thanks audrey, this speedy version looks nice indeed... btw i moved the files to http://1904.cc/~aether/archive/2007.10.26_WORM (the 2007.07.02 was an earlier one) best, manu >hi all - > >i finally got hold of a really shitty screencast... >put here: >http://1904.cc/~aether/archive/2007.07.02_Rotterdam/ >(the files are aether.mp3 which is the whole sound and aether.mpeg >which is a 2.30min version... so can not be integrated to each other >because of length discrepancy + a stop-frame of our existing drop >frame format... so hardly good but ok). > >the one thing i do like about this screencast is that the middle >frames, with the actors, have scrollbars on the left. since many >people had asked me after the performance if it was live or not and >etc - i thought this scrollbar is in fact some kind of clear >indication... (this was recorded from another screen, the audience >saw the slick scrollbar free version). > >i planned on getting my hands on a dv recording of the whole thing. >if that wish materialises i'll edit/upload it too... >audrey > From 1.1 [*] 1904.cc Wed Jan 16 01:12:46 2008 From: 1.1 [*] 1904.cc (1.1.1904) Date: Wed, 16 Jan 2008 01:12:46 +0100 Subject: [aether] aetheric news Message-ID: some more things of general interest.. 1 # MINOR SITE UPDATES i made a few little updates to the http://1904.cc aether webpage. looking towards a more radical re-shaping soon, but already a some little improvements: - the images are now using one of those trendy smooth slide-show designs. - the videos can now be played in 3 formats -- flash, quicktime or ogg theora -- making them truly cross-platform. 2 # AETHER ECONOMICS regarding the distribution of fees, i assume that the absence of comments means the proposed system is ok for all the interested parties? in this case i am going to send out the fees according to the regime proposed earlier: for the "full participants": 150 CHF per person (11 x 150 = 1650) for the "partial participants": 70 CHF per person (5 x 70 = 350) i am going to send this using the moneybookers.com system, as this appears to be more universal than paypal (speaking about the allowed countries) and has slightly lower transmission fees. paula, for your 3 helpers (Viviana Palacio: assistance Juan Guillermo Caicedo: acting Pedro Hermelin: acting) it's maybe more easy if i forward the full amount to you ? boris, same with you for your actor Richard Milan ? 3 # ARG STUFF thanks for those links judy, that's indeed a fascinating perspective. i could imagine a branch of aether developing in that direction at some moment. but it's still a big step from where we're now, in a way we're still searching for the rules that will allow us to play, so we're not in position yet to be master of the game... 4 # ISEA 2008 i received a positive response for our submission of the project to the ISEA'08 conference in Singapore (in which category i don't even remember...) -- BUT this simply means we're welcome to give a power-point-style presentation, and doesn't include any support for travel. actually even the presenters have to pay the participation fee to the conference, cf. http://isea2008.org/page/39/ ...not very cool. A pity we don't have a Singapore agent on place ;) ... best, manuel From ideacritik at [nospam] yahoo.ca Wed Jan 16 01:34:12 2008 From: ideacritik at [nospam] yahoo.ca (::audrey::) Date: Tue, 15 Jan 2008 16:34:12 -0800 (PST) Subject: [aether] Re : rotterdam... Message-ID: <358251.57131.qm {a+} web50209.mail.re2.yahoo.com> hey- i uploaded an improved version with sound!, shorter version (with error load images cut out, giving the general gist of the setup), kindoff trailer with explanation text at beginning... and credits, etc. i edited it to include it in a application (not 4 aether but personal) - might be of use for another aether application... (if someone needs to change some part of it - let me know - easy from the final cut pro file...). it's in here: http://1904.cc/~aether/archive/2007.10.26_WORM called aether_WORM.mpg (15Mb) [http://1904.cc/~aether/archive/2007.10.26_WORM/aether_WORM.mpg] audrey ps apologies for the extreme tardiness of this - i got the screencast friday - and DVtape looking like it will never happen... (to be realistic). this is really a pity but a lesson to be learned for me in terms of securing the documentation! pps IM ONLINE AGAIN!!!!!! (watch out here i come ;) ----- Message initial ---- De : 1.1.1904 <1.1 [*] 1904.cc> ? : //// collaborative networked performance //// Envoy? le : mercredi 16 janvier 2008, 00 h 22 min 59 s Objet : Re: [aether] rotterdam... thanks audrey, this speedy version looks nice indeed... btw i moved the files to http://1904.cc/~aether/archive/2007.10.26_WORM (the 2007.07.02 was an earlier one) best, manu >hi all - > >i finally got hold of a really shitty screencast... >put here: >http://1904.cc/~aether/archive/2007.07.02_Rotterdam/ >(the files are aether.mp3 which is the whole sound and aether.mpeg >which is a 2.30min version... so can not be integrated to each other >because of length discrepancy + a stop-frame of our existing drop >frame format... so hardly good but ok). > >the one thing i do like about this screencast is that the middle >frames, with the actors, have scrollbars on the left. since many >people had asked me after the performance if it was live or not and >etc - i thought this scrollbar is in fact some kind of clear >indication... (this was recorded from another screen, the audience >saw the slick scrollbar free version). > >i planned on getting my hands on a dv recording of the whole thing. >if that wish materialises i'll edit/upload it too... >audrey > _______________________________________________ aether mailing list aether at [nospam] 1904.cc http://lists.1904.cc/mailman/listinfo/aether Devenez un meilleur amigo gr?ce ? Yahoo! Courriel http://cf.promos.yahoo.com/courriel/visiteguidee2/ -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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So in the evening of the 16th february 2 performances can be presented, one of them can be an Aether performance because i integrate it then to this event.. Also i'm thinking about a scenario i shall like write for this event and play with you, i can tell you more later.. for info: iMAL is an industriel place 1920 with a bif room 20m x 20m, see here: http://www.imal.org/iMAL _opening/image/batiment/pano _inside_canal.jpg or flickr: http://www.flickr.com/photos /malicy or on youtube: http://www.youtube.com/profile ?user=imagicy also they have 4 videoproj of 3000 lumens, + 2 little, a sound system JBL, and many computer (mac, iMacg5, iMacs intel, double proc g5, one pc,...). cheers Nathalie Ne gardez plus qu'une seule adresse mail ! Copiez vos mails vers Yahoo! Mail D?couvrez les styles qui font sensation sur Yahoo! Qu?bec Avatars. http://cf.avatars.yahoo.com/ -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.1904.cc/pipermail/aether/attachments/20080115/08adc643/attachment.html From fougeras_nathalie at [nospam] yahoo.fr Wed Jan 16 02:48:56 2008 From: fougeras_nathalie at [nospam] yahoo.fr (fougeras nathalie) Date: Wed, 16 Jan 2008 02:48:56 +0100 (CET) Subject: [aether] RE : Re : proposal performance in Imal evening 16th february 2008 In-Reply-To: <626081.59255.qm {a+} web50202.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <838978.13300.qm {a+} web26114.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> of course there are roles for you audrey: 2 frames - roles for online performers and 1 for Judy sound performance, 3 frames - roles for performers in Imal bruxelles so we're searching what other performer online 'll want participate the 16th february around 21:00 ? i'm writing yet with Laure about the scenario soon i'll have more informations to communicate you see you cheers Nathalie : audrey: : Wed Jan 16 01: 10: 02 at [nospam] yahoo.com, UNEXPECTED_DATA_AFTER_ADDRESS_IN_GROUP at .SYNTAX-ERROR.;;;;;, "::audrey::" a ?crit : great! im also available for 16FEB \if there are roles to be filled nathalie let me know audrey ----- Message initial ---- De : fougeras nathalie ? : //// collaborative networked performance //// Envoy? le : mardi 18 d?cembre 2007, 15 h 17 min 00 s Objet : [aether] proposal performance in Imal evening 16th february 2008 Hi all I have a great news for us.. i'm fixing a conference about streaming and network performance in this Centre of Multim?dia called Imal in Brussel: http://www.imal.org I 'm working with the repsonsable of this center and he is interested. So in the evening of the 16th february 2 performances can be presented, one of them can be an Aether performance because i integrate it then to this event.. Also i'm thinking about a scenario i shall like write for this event and play with you, i can tell you more later.. for info: iMAL is an industriel place 1920 with a bif room 20m x 20m, see here: http://www.imal.org/iMAL _opening/image/batiment/pano _inside_canal.jpg or flickr: http://www.flickr.com/photos /malicy or on youtube: http://www.youtube.com/profile ?user=imagicy also they have 4 videoproj of 3000 lumens, + 2 little, a sound system JBL, and many computer (mac, iMacg5, iMacs intel, double proc g5, one pc,...). cheers Nathalie --------------------------------- Ne gardez plus qu'une seule adresse mail ! Copiez vos mails vers Yahoo! Mail --------------------------------- D?couvrez les styles qui font sensation sur Yahoo! Qu?bec Avatars_______________________________________________ aether mailing list aether at [nospam] 1904.cc http://lists.1904.cc/mailman/listinfo/aether --------------------------------- Ne gardez plus qu'une seule adresse mail ! Copiez vos mails vers Yahoo! Mail -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.1904.cc/pipermail/aether/attachments/20080116/471dd267/attachment.html From fougeras_nathalie at [nospam] yahoo.fr Wed Jan 16 02:55:03 2008 From: fougeras_nathalie at [nospam] yahoo.fr (fougeras nathalie) Date: Wed, 16 Jan 2008 02:55:03 +0100 (CET) Subject: [aether] Rhizome 2009 Commissions Open Now! Message-ID: <54996.65382.qm {a+} web26111.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> for us.. Rhizome a ?crit : Date: Tue, 15 Jan 2008 18:25:32 -0500 ?: fougeras_nathalie at [nospam] yahoo.fr De: Rhizome Objet: Rhizome 2009 Commissions Open Now! Dear friend, We're pleased to announce that Rhizome's 2009 Commissions cycle is now open. This year we will commission seven new art works with awards ranging from $3000-$5000. The deadline for proposals is midnight on Monday, March 31, 2008. This year, Rhizome has expanded our scope, formerly focused strictly on Internet-based art to encompass the broad range of practices that fall under new media art. This includes projects that creatively engage new and networked technologies, as well as works that reflect on the impact of these tools and media in a variety of forms. With this expanded format, commissioned works can take the final form of online works, performance, video, installation or sound art. Projects can be made for the context of the gallery, the public, the web or networked devices. We encourage you to get involved and spread the word! 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In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <926237.30105.qm {a+} web62312.mail.re1.yahoo.com> Manuel, I do know someone who is in Singapore who will help. Ken Feinstein, and I seem to remember someone else in Aether knew him also.... from his teaching at The New School in NYC. Anyway he is now living and teaching in Singapore. ken at kennethfeinstein.com ken at ntu.edu.sg www.kennethfeinstein.com +65 91859732 Kenneth Feinstein on Skype He is currently an Associate Professor in the School of Art, Design, & Media at Nanyang Technical University in Singapore. (NTU), The campus is outside the city but I believe he was also getting a studio in town. I could organize a time to introduce you to each other on Skype. He and I are in touch; he is aware of Aether. A week in Singapore sounds interesting but....$$$??? perhaps a presentation at NTU could at least cover the fees and ticket Otherwise, I am in the process of registering for Moneybookers. I will suggest doing so to Jonathan Goldstein as well. Regards, JUDY "1.1.1904" <1.1 [*] 1904.cc> wrote: some more things of general interest.. 1 # MINOR SITE UPDATES i made a few little updates to the http://1904.cc aether webpage. looking towards a more radical re-shaping soon, but already a some little improvements: - the images are now using one of those trendy smooth slide-show designs. - the videos can now be played in 3 formats -- flash, quicktime or ogg theora -- making them truly cross-platform. 2 # AETHER ECONOMICS regarding the distribution of fees, i assume that the absence of comments means the proposed system is ok for all the interested parties? in this case i am going to send out the fees according to the regime proposed earlier: for the "full participants": 150 CHF per person (11 x 150 = 1650) for the "partial participants": 70 CHF per person (5 x 70 = 350) i am going to send this using the moneybookers.com system, as this appears to be more universal than paypal (speaking about the allowed countries) and has slightly lower transmission fees. paula, for your 3 helpers (Viviana Palacio: assistance Juan Guillermo Caicedo: acting Pedro Hermelin: acting) it's maybe more easy if i forward the full amount to you ? boris, same with you for your actor Richard Milan ? 3 # ARG STUFF thanks for those links judy, that's indeed a fascinating perspective. i could imagine a branch of aether developing in that direction at some moment. but it's still a big step from where we're now, in a way we're still searching for the rules that will allow us to play, so we're not in position yet to be master of the game... 4 # ISEA 2008 i received a positive response for our submission of the project to the ISEA'08 conference in Singapore (in which category i don't even remember...) -- BUT this simply means we're welcome to give a power-point-style presentation, and doesn't include any support for travel. actually even the presenters have to pay the participation fee to the conference, cf. http://isea2008.org/page/39/ ...not very cool. A pity we don't have a Singapore agent on place ;) ... best, manuel _______________________________________________ aether mailing list aether at [nospam] 1904.cc http://lists.1904.cc/mailman/listinfo/aether --------------------------------- Be a better friend, newshound, and know-it-all with Yahoo! Mobile. Try it now. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.1904.cc/pipermail/aether/attachments/20080115/1300d189/attachment.html From theleague at [nospam] imaginaryscience.org Wed Jan 16 20:23:10 2008 From: theleague at [nospam] imaginaryscience.org (The League of Imaginary Scientists) Date: Wed, 16 Jan 2008 11:23:10 -0800 Subject: [aether] Re : proposal performance in Imal evening 16th february 2008 In-Reply-To: <626081.59255.qm {a+} web50202.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Message-ID: I?m also available then and before for development, perhaps with additional League ... LUCY/League On 1/15/08 5:10 PM, "::audrey::" wrote: > great! > im also available for 16FEB > \if there are roles to be filled nathalie let me know > audrey > > ----- Message initial ---- > De : fougeras nathalie > ? : //// collaborative networked performance //// > Envoy? le : mardi 18 d?cembre 2007, 15 h 17 min 00 s > Objet : [aether] proposal performance in Imal evening 16th february 2008 > > Hi all > > I have a great news for us.. i'm fixing a conference about streaming and > network performance in this Centre of Multim?dia called Imal in Brussel: > http://www.imal.org > I 'm working with the repsonsable of this center and he is interested. > So in the evening of the 16th february 2 performances can be presented, one of > them can be an Aether performance because i integrate it then to this event.. > > Also i'm thinking about a scenario i shall like write for this event and play > with you, i can tell you more later.. > > for info: > iMAL is an industriel place 1920 with a bif room 20m x 20m, see here: > http://www.imal.org/iMAL _opening/image/batiment/pano _inside_canal.jpg > > or flickr: http://www.flickr.com/photos /malicy > > or on youtube: http://www.youtube.com/profile ?user=imagicy > > also they have 4 videoproj of 3000 lumens, + 2 little, a sound system JBL, and > many computer (mac, iMacg5, iMacs intel, double proc g5, one pc,...). > > > cheers > Nathalie > > > > > > Ne gardez plus qu'une seule adresse mail ! 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Name: not available Type: image/gif Size: 3346 bytes Desc: not available Url : http://lists.1904.cc/pipermail/aether/attachments/20080116/cb306b91/attachment.gif From theleague at [nospam] imaginaryscience.org Wed Jan 16 20:27:07 2008 From: theleague at [nospam] imaginaryscience.org (The League of Imaginary Scientists) Date: Wed, 16 Jan 2008 11:27:07 -0800 Subject: [aether] aetheric news In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Regarding #4, there's probably enough time to develop a contact in Singapore if no one is planning on going... AND/OR< what about presenting the "lecture" as a choreographed multi-site Aethernaut-style performance? This could be very fun - to take the performance format and subvert it for an "academic" performance... - LUCY On 1/15/08 4:12 PM, "1.1.1904" <1.1 [*] 1904.cc> wrote: > some more things of general interest.. > > 1 # MINOR SITE UPDATES > > i made a few little updates to the http://1904.cc aether webpage. > > looking towards a more radical re-shaping soon, but already a some > little improvements: > > - the images are now using one of those trendy smooth slide-show designs. > > - the videos can now be played in 3 formats -- flash, quicktime or > ogg theora -- making them truly cross-platform. > > > 2 # AETHER ECONOMICS > > regarding the distribution of fees, i assume that the absence of > comments means the proposed system is ok for all the interested > parties? > > in this case i am going to send out the fees according to the regime > proposed earlier: > for the "full participants": 150 CHF per person (11 x 150 = 1650) > for the "partial participants": 70 CHF per person (5 x 70 = 350) > > i am going to send this using the moneybookers.com system, as this > appears to be more universal than paypal (speaking about the allowed > countries) and has slightly lower transmission fees. > > paula, for your 3 helpers > (Viviana Palacio: assistance > Juan Guillermo Caicedo: acting > Pedro Hermelin: acting) > it's maybe more easy if i forward the full amount to you ? > > boris, same with you for your actor Richard Milan ? > > > 3 # ARG STUFF > > thanks for those links judy, that's indeed a fascinating perspective. > i could imagine a branch of aether developing in that direction at > some moment. but it's still a big step from where we're now, in a way > we're still searching for the rules that will allow us to play, so > we're not in position yet to be master of the game... > > > 4 # ISEA 2008 > > i received a positive response for our submission of the project to > the ISEA'08 conference in Singapore (in which category i don't even > remember...) -- BUT this simply means we're welcome to give a > power-point-style presentation, and doesn't include any support for > travel. actually even the presenters have to pay the participation > fee to the conference, cf. http://isea2008.org/page/39/ ...not very > cool. A pity we don't have a Singapore agent on place ;) > > ... > > best, > manuel > > _______________________________________________ > aether mailing list > aether at [nospam] 1904.cc > http://lists.1904.cc/mailman/listinfo/aether The League of Imaginary Scientists From knickerbockerjuju at [nospam] yahoo.com Wed Jan 16 22:10:50 2008 From: knickerbockerjuju at [nospam] yahoo.com (Judy Nylon) Date: Wed, 16 Jan 2008 13:10:50 -0800 (PST) Subject: [aether] aetheric ISEA #4 In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <679054.14841.qm {a+} web62311.mail.re1.yahoo.com> I agree with LUCY. It would be amusing to perform as 'academics' in an explanation of what aether is....Proper documentation of such would provide us with a Quicktime calling card that can be thrown into the 'work sample' section of grant apps forevermore. I do think that Ken Feinstein 1) would do it (it would get him set up with passes and give him a reason to attend) if we just paid (can we get away with the student price :) ?) and 2) he is living there and could probably reach the right person to subvert a presentation to a performance. OR....is this throwing pearls before swine at a trade show.....it would only work if the thing could be projected large and loud. JUDY The League of Imaginary Scientists wrote: Regarding #4, there's probably enough time to develop a contact in Singapore if no one is planning on going... AND/OR< what about presenting the "lecture" as a choreographed multi-site Aethernaut-style performance? This could be very fun - to take the performance format and subvert it for an "academic" performance... - LUCY On 1/15/08 4:12 PM, "1.1.1904" <1.1 [*] 1904.cc> wrote: > some more things of general interest.. > > 1 # MINOR SITE UPDATES > > i made a few little updates to the http://1904.cc aether webpage. > > looking towards a more radical re-shaping soon, but already a some > little improvements: > > - the images are now using one of those trendy smooth slide-show designs. > > - the videos can now be played in 3 formats -- flash, quicktime or > ogg theora -- making them truly cross-platform. > > > 2 # AETHER ECONOMICS > > regarding the distribution of fees, i assume that the absence of > comments means the proposed system is ok for all the interested > parties? > > in this case i am going to send out the fees according to the regime > proposed earlier: > for the "full participants": 150 CHF per person (11 x 150 = 1650) > for the "partial participants": 70 CHF per person (5 x 70 = 350) > > i am going to send this using the moneybookers.com system, as this > appears to be more universal than paypal (speaking about the allowed > countries) and has slightly lower transmission fees. > > paula, for your 3 helpers > (Viviana Palacio: assistance > Juan Guillermo Caicedo: acting > Pedro Hermelin: acting) > it's maybe more easy if i forward the full amount to you ? > > boris, same with you for your actor Richard Milan ? > > > 3 # ARG STUFF > > thanks for those links judy, that's indeed a fascinating perspective. > i could imagine a branch of aether developing in that direction at > some moment. but it's still a big step from where we're now, in a way > we're still searching for the rules that will allow us to play, so > we're not in position yet to be master of the game... > > > 4 # ISEA 2008 > > i received a positive response for our submission of the project to > the ISEA'08 conference in Singapore (in which category i don't even > remember...) -- BUT this simply means we're welcome to give a > power-point-style presentation, and doesn't include any support for > travel. actually even the presenters have to pay the participation > fee to the conference, cf. http://isea2008.org/page/39/ ...not very > cool. A pity we don't have a Singapore agent on place ;) > > ... > > best, > manuel > > _______________________________________________ > aether mailing list > aether at [nospam] 1904.cc > http://lists.1904.cc/mailman/listinfo/aether The League of Imaginary Scientists _______________________________________________ aether mailing list aether at [nospam] 1904.cc http://lists.1904.cc/mailman/listinfo/aether --------------------------------- Never miss a thing. Make Yahoo your homepage. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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URL: http://lists.1904.cc/pipermail/aether/attachments/20080117/8849eadb/attachment.html From theleague at [nospam] imaginaryscience.org Fri Jan 18 20:14:16 2008 From: theleague at [nospam] imaginaryscience.org (The League of Imaginary Scientists) Date: Fri, 18 Jan 2008 11:14:16 -0800 Subject: [aether] aetheric ISEA #4 In-Reply-To: <679054.14841.qm {a+} web62311.mail.re1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: Your friend Ken Feinstein ? judging by his work ? seems ideal for this... Perhaps there?s a way to get the conference fee waived ? often a letter to the director can help with this... LUCY On 1/16/08 1:10 PM, "Judy Nylon" wrote: > I agree with LUCY. It would be amusing to perform as 'academics' in an > explanation of what aether is....Proper documentation of such would provide us > with a Quicktime calling card that can be thrown into the 'work sample' > section of grant apps forevermore. I do think that Ken Feinstein 1) would do > it (it would get him set up with passes and give him a reason to attend) if we > just paid (can we get away with the student price :) ?) and 2) he is living > there and could probably reach the right person to subvert a presentation to a > performance. OR....is this throwing pearls before swine at a trade show.....it > would only work if the thing could be projected large and loud. JUDY > > The League of Imaginary Scientists wrote: >> Regarding #4, there's probably enough time to develop a contact in Singapore >> if no one is planning on going... AND/OR< what about presenting the >> "lecture" as a choreographed multi-site Aethernaut-style performance? This >> could be very fun - to take the performance format and subvert it for an >> "academic" performance... - LUCY >> >> On 1/15/08 4:12 PM, "1.1.1904" <1.1 [*] 1904.cc> wrote: >> >>> > some more things of general interest.. >>> > >>> > 1 # MINOR SITE UPDATES >>> > >>> > i made a few little updates to the http://1904.cc aether webpage. >>> > >>> > looking towards a more radical re-shaping soon, but already a some >>> > little improvements: >>> > >>> > - the images are now using one of those trendy smooth slide-show designs. >>> > >>> > - the videos can now be played in 3 formats -- flash, quicktime or >>> > ogg theora -- making them truly cross-platform. >>> > >>> > >>> > 2 # AETHER ECONOMICS >>> > >>> > regarding the distribution of fees, i assume that the absence of >>> > comments means the proposed system is ok for all the interested >>> > parties? >>> > >>> > in this case i am going to send out the fees according to the regime >>> > proposed earlier: >>> > for the "full participants": 150 CHF per person (11 x 150 = 1650) >>> > for the "partial participants": 70 CHF per person (5 x 70 = 350) >>> > >>> > i am going to send this using the moneybookers.com system, as this >>> > appears to be more universal than paypal (speaking about the allowed >>> > countries) and has slightly lower transmission fees. >>> > >>> > paula, for your 3 helpers >>> > (Viviana Palacio: assistance >>> > Juan Guillermo Caicedo: acting >>> > Pedro Hermelin: acting) >>> > it's maybe more easy if i forward the full amount to you ? >>> > >>> > boris, same with you for your actor Richard Milan ? >>> > >>> > >>> > 3 # ARG STUFF >>> > >>> > thanks for those links judy, that's indeed a fascinating perspective. >>> > i could imagine a branch of aether developing in that direction at >>> > some moment. but it's still a big step from where we're now, in a way >>> > we're still searching for the rules that will allow us to play, so >>> > we're not in position yet to be master of the game... >>> > >>> > >>> > 4 # ISEA 2008 >>> > >>> > i received a positive response for our submission of the project to >>> > the ISEA'08 conference in Singapore (in which category i don't even >>> > remember...) -- BUT this simply means we're welcome to give a >>> > power-point-style presentation, and doesn't include any support for >>> > travel. actually even the presenters have to pay the participation >>> > fee to the conference, cf. http://isea2008.org/page/39/ ...not very >>> > cool. A pity we don't have a Singapore agent on place ;) >>> > >>> > ... >>> > >>> > best, >>> > manuel >>> > >>> > _______________________________________________ >>> > aether mailing list >>> > aether at [nospam] 1904.cc >>> > http://lists.1904.cc/mailman/listinfo/aether >> >> The League of Imaginary Scientists >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> aether mailing list >> aether at [nospam] 1904.cc >> http://lists.1904.cc/mailman/listinfo/aether > > > > > Never miss a thing. Make Yahoo your homepage. > > > _______________________________________________ > aether mailing list > aether at [nospam] 1904.cc > http://lists.1904.cc/mailman/listinfo/aether The League of Imaginary Scientists -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.1904.cc/pipermail/aether/attachments/20080118/0d1b72ce/attachment.html -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: image/gif Size: 3346 bytes Desc: not available Url : http://lists.1904.cc/pipermail/aether/attachments/20080118/0d1b72ce/attachment.gif From 1.1 [*] 1904.cc Fri Jan 18 21:24:58 2008 From: 1.1 [*] 1904.cc (1.1.1904) Date: Fri, 18 Jan 2008 21:24:58 +0100 Subject: [aether] So far so good, but I'm no fan of Moneybookers... In-Reply-To: <597022.50402.qm {a+} web54501.mail.re2.yahoo.com> References: <597022.50402.qm {a+} web54501.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Message-ID: hi all, i sent out the payments for novi sad performance through the moneybookers system. i'm aware that the creation/authentifcation of a new account is quite time-consuming. if you use the system for the first time be prepared for some hassle, as you will need to "authenticate" the account first, by having a letter sent to your post adress for example (or by transfering a small amount, which is annoying as you pay the fee twice). also i noticed that the methods vary by country. The reasons i chose this system rather than paypal: 1) paypal doesnt allow to withdraw funds in many countries. 2) transfer rates are lower with moneybookers than paypal (sending and withdrawing 100 EUR costs 2,30 EUR with moneybookers (0.50 + 1.80), vs. 4,25 EUR in paypal (3.9% + 0.35) note: this 3.9% + 0.35 for paypal are the "Transaction Fees for Cross-Border Payments - Europe". 3) exchange rates: according to the blurbs/general conditions of both websites, moneybookers "should" be cheaper: Moneybookers: ?For transactions involving exchange of any other currency, we add 1.3%.? Paypal: ?Multiple Currency Transactions: Exchange rate includes a 2.5% fee? that seemed to me enough reasons to try this system, but if any of you have trouble with it, so tell me. best, manu >Good Morning, The 150 CHF have arrived in my >moneybookers accn't exchanged as $131.35 >requiring a fee of $2.64. However there is >another step required before i can transfer the >money into my bank accn't. I have chosen the >address verification option in which a turing >number is sent by post to my address here in >nyc. This will take some time and is not >guaranteed. The other option...a test electronic >transfer to my accnt. of less than $20 will take >3 to 5 days....but will require my paying the >moneybooker fee twice to get the rest of the >money into my account. > From cymnet at [nospam] gmail.com Sat Jan 19 01:09:51 2008 From: cymnet at [nospam] gmail.com (cym net) Date: Sat, 19 Jan 2008 01:09:51 +0100 Subject: [aether] aetheric news In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <95c795f70801181609l52568219n92d941f491820497 {a+} mail.gmail.com> hey all about ISEA2008: one of my projects was also accepted in the conference, so i am actually planning to go there. i will try to apply for funds to cover the costs for my travel and hotel and conference fee. even if you are invited to present your work there you still have to pay everything yourself, including 350$ to attend the conference... but anyway, i should be there and it would be nice to also be part of the aether presentation. if there is anyone on site who could help us, that would be great. it seems that they want presentations of the work, rather than performances, but maybe we could make some sort of mix. let it start as a classic lecture, but than it becomes a live aether-performance, about 10-15 minutes. i think it could be nice. i was emailing with the organizers about technical details and they will have an internet connection at the presentations and presentations can also be done with your own (my own) laptop, so technically i think an aether-live performance could be possible. but it will be a question of good timing again, you never know with these conferences exactly at what time your lecture will be.... (at least not by the minute...) right now i am in Amsterdam at the VideoVortex conference. i will be in the netherlands for a few more days. if anyone is around let me know, it would be nice to meet. cym On Jan 16, 2008 8:27 PM, The League of Imaginary Scientists wrote: > Regarding #4, there's probably enough time to develop a contact in Singapore > if no one is planning on going... AND/OR< what about presenting the > "lecture" as a choreographed multi-site Aethernaut-style performance? This > could be very fun - to take the performance format and subvert it for an > "academic" performance... - LUCY > > > On 1/15/08 4:12 PM, "1.1.1904" <1.1 [*] 1904.cc> wrote: > > > some more things of general interest.. > > > > 1 # MINOR SITE UPDATES > > > > i made a few little updates to the http://1904.cc aether webpage. > > > > looking towards a more radical re-shaping soon, but already a some > > little improvements: > > > > - the images are now using one of those trendy smooth slide-show designs. > > > > - the videos can now be played in 3 formats -- flash, quicktime or > > ogg theora -- making them truly cross-platform. > > > > > > 2 # AETHER ECONOMICS > > > > regarding the distribution of fees, i assume that the absence of > > comments means the proposed system is ok for all the interested > > parties? > > > > in this case i am going to send out the fees according to the regime > > proposed earlier: > > for the "full participants": 150 CHF per person (11 x 150 = 1650) > > for the "partial participants": 70 CHF per person (5 x 70 = 350) > > > > i am going to send this using the moneybookers.com system, as this > > appears to be more universal than paypal (speaking about the allowed > > countries) and has slightly lower transmission fees. > > > > paula, for your 3 helpers > > (Viviana Palacio: assistance > > Juan Guillermo Caicedo: acting > > Pedro Hermelin: acting) > > it's maybe more easy if i forward the full amount to you ? > > > > boris, same with you for your actor Richard Milan ? > > > > > > 3 # ARG STUFF > > > > thanks for those links judy, that's indeed a fascinating perspective. > > i could imagine a branch of aether developing in that direction at > > some moment. but it's still a big step from where we're now, in a way > > we're still searching for the rules that will allow us to play, so > > we're not in position yet to be master of the game... > > > > > > 4 # ISEA 2008 > > > > i received a positive response for our submission of the project to > > the ISEA'08 conference in Singapore (in which category i don't even > > remember...) -- BUT this simply means we're welcome to give a > > power-point-style presentation, and doesn't include any support for > > travel. actually even the presenters have to pay the participation > > fee to the conference, cf. http://isea2008.org/page/39/ ...not very > > cool. A pity we don't have a Singapore agent on place ;) > > > > ... > > > > best, > > manuel > > > > _______________________________________________ > > aether mailing list > > aether at [nospam] 1904.cc > > http://lists.1904.cc/mailman/listinfo/aether > > The League of Imaginary Scientists > > > > _______________________________________________ > aether mailing list > aether at [nospam] 1904.cc > http://lists.1904.cc/mailman/listinfo/aether > From cymnet at [nospam] gmail.com Sat Jan 19 01:18:21 2008 From: cymnet at [nospam] gmail.com (cym net) Date: Sat, 19 Jan 2008 01:18:21 +0100 Subject: [aether] So far so good, but I'm no fan of Moneybookers... In-Reply-To: References: <597022.50402.qm {a+} web54501.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <95c795f70801181618w39a9d421n117126f40d070965 {a+} mail.gmail.com> i usually use paypal, but i will look into moneybrookers but it will take a few days before i can set it up. i only quickly borrowed the internetconnection now here in amsterdam to answer my mail. and it will take another week before i am back in austria and can look at my bankaccount to authenticate the account... contact for paypal is cymnet at [nospam] gmail.com by the way.. you can also transfer it to my bank account. within the eu i usually don't pay anything extra for international transfers, but this also varies a lot, apparently sometimes extra costs are as much as 9 EUR... cym On Jan 18, 2008 9:24 PM, 1.1.1904 <1.1 [*] 1904.cc> wrote: > hi all, > > i sent out the payments for novi sad performance > through the moneybookers system. i'm aware that > the creation/authentifcation of a new account is > quite time-consuming. if you use the system for > the first time be prepared for some hassle, as > you will need to "authenticate" the account > first, by having a letter sent to your post > adress for example (or by transfering a small > amount, which is annoying as you pay the fee > twice). also i noticed that the methods vary by > country. > > The reasons i chose this system rather than paypal: > > 1) paypal doesnt allow to withdraw funds in many countries. > > 2) transfer rates are lower with moneybookers than paypal > (sending and withdrawing 100 EUR costs 2,30 EUR > with moneybookers (0.50 + 1.80), vs. 4,25 EUR in > paypal (3.9% + 0.35) > note: this 3.9% + 0.35 for paypal are the > "Transaction Fees for Cross-Border Payments - > Europe". > > 3) exchange rates: > according to the blurbs/general conditions of > both websites, moneybookers "should" be cheaper: > Moneybookers: ?For transactions involving > exchange of any other currency, we add 1.3%.? > Paypal: ?Multiple Currency Transactions: Exchange rate includes a 2.5% fee? > > that seemed to me enough reasons to try this > system, but if any of you have trouble with it, > so tell me. > > best, > manu > > > >Good Morning, The 150 CHF have arrived in my > >moneybookers accn't exchanged as $131.35 > >requiring a fee of $2.64. However there is > >another step required before i can transfer the > >money into my bank accn't. I have chosen the > >address verification option in which a turing > >number is sent by post to my address here in > >nyc. This will take some time and is not > >guaranteed. The other option...a test electronic > >transfer to my accnt. of less than $20 will take > >3 to 5 days....but will require my paying the > >moneybooker fee twice to get the rest of the > >money into my account. > > > _______________________________________________ > aether mailing list > aether at [nospam] 1904.cc > http://lists.1904.cc/mailman/listinfo/aether > From knickerbockerjuju at [nospam] yahoo.com Sat Jan 19 16:39:55 2008 From: knickerbockerjuju at [nospam] yahoo.com (Judy Nylon) Date: Sat, 19 Jan 2008 07:39:55 -0800 (PST) Subject: [aether] Done, might become a fan of Moneybookers... In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <856571.20133.qm {a+} web62301.mail.re1.yahoo.com> I am always grateful for your meticulous research as it forms a counterbalance to my impatience. The option to verify the address by post took only 4 days to NY. Judy "1.1.1904" <1.1 [*] 1904.cc> wrote: hi all, i sent out the payments for novi sad performance through the moneybookers system. i'm aware that the creation/authentifcation of a new account is quite time-consuming. if you use the system for the first time be prepared for some hassle, as you will need to "authenticate" the account first, by having a letter sent to your post adress for example (or by transfering a small amount, which is annoying as you pay the fee twice). also i noticed that the methods vary by country. The reasons i chose this system rather than paypal: 1) paypal doesnt allow to withdraw funds in many countries. 2) transfer rates are lower with moneybookers than paypal (sending and withdrawing 100 EUR costs 2,30 EUR with moneybookers (0.50 + 1.80), vs. 4,25 EUR in paypal (3.9% + 0.35) note: this 3.9% + 0.35 for paypal are the "Transaction Fees for Cross-Border Payments - Europe". 3) exchange rates: according to the blurbs/general conditions of both websites, moneybookers "should" be cheaper: Moneybookers: ?For transactions involving exchange of any other currency, we add 1.3%.? Paypal: ?Multiple Currency Transactions: Exchange rate includes a 2.5% fee? that seemed to me enough reasons to try this system, but if any of you have trouble with it, so tell me. best, manu >Good Morning, The 150 CHF have arrived in my >moneybookers accn't exchanged as $131.35 >requiring a fee of $2.64. However there is >another step required before i can transfer the >money into my bank accn't. I have chosen the >address verification option in which a turing >number is sent by post to my address here in >nyc. This will take some time and is not >guaranteed. The other option...a test electronic >transfer to my accnt. of less than $20 will take >3 to 5 days....but will require my paying the >moneybooker fee twice to get the rest of the >money into my account. > _______________________________________________ aether mailing list aether at [nospam] 1904.cc http://lists.1904.cc/mailman/listinfo/aether --------------------------------- Looking for last minute shopping deals? Find them fast with Yahoo! Search. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.1904.cc/pipermail/aether/attachments/20080119/e76057db/attachment.html From nova at [nospam] viator.si Sun Jan 20 17:53:22 2008 From: nova at [nospam] viator.si (Luka Princic / Nova Viator) Date: Sun, 20 Jan 2008 17:53:22 +0100 Subject: [aether] payments for novi sad + moneybookers In-Reply-To: References: <597022.50402.qm {a+} web54501.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <20080120175322.e8279bec.nova {a+} viator.si> "1.1.1904" <1.1 [*] 1904.cc>: > i sent out the payments for novi sad performance > through the moneybookers system. i'm aware that wow, thanks for that!!! > the creation/authentifcation of a new account is > quite time-consuming. if you use the system for > the first time be prepared for some hassle, as > you will need to "authenticate" the account > first, by having a letter sent to your post > adress for example (or by transfering a small > amount, which is annoying as you pay the fee > twice). also i noticed that the methods vary by > country. i needed couple of clicks, really. that was all. no postal mail or something. and i can topup my skype credit with it now. or transfer to my (slovenian) bank account. haven't tried any of that yet tho. -- l ? http://skylined.org ? http://viator.si ? From cymnet at [nospam] gmail.com Mon Jan 21 22:38:50 2008 From: cymnet at [nospam] gmail.com (cym net) Date: Mon, 21 Jan 2008 22:38:50 +0100 Subject: [aether] payments for novi sad + moneybookers In-Reply-To: <20080120175322.e8279bec.nova {a+} viator.si> References: <597022.50402.qm {a+} web54501.mail.re2.yahoo.com> <20080120175322.e8279bec.nova {a+} viator.si> Message-ID: <95c795f70801211338pff36030i1a4791cfceaa743f {a+} mail.gmail.com> Hello I created the moneybookers account today. It was really simple and the first time I logged into my new account, there is already the aethermoney on the account :-) Only the internetconnection that i am using here in Netherlands is so bad, I kept falling in and out of the registration process. But i have the account all set up now. I guess the authentication via mail or bank account is only necessary when you want to transfer money to your bank account. The internet account was working right away for me. And the page offers a big collection of online stores where you can immediately spend your money... cym On Jan 20, 2008 5:53 PM, Luka Princic / Nova Viator wrote: > "1.1.1904" <1.1 [*] 1904.cc>: > > i sent out the payments for novi sad performance > > through the moneybookers system. i'm aware that > > wow, thanks for that!!! > > > the creation/authentifcation of a new account is > > quite time-consuming. if you use the system for > > the first time be prepared for some hassle, as > > you will need to "authenticate" the account > > first, by having a letter sent to your post > > adress for example (or by transfering a small > > amount, which is annoying as you pay the fee > > twice). also i noticed that the methods vary by > > country. > > i needed couple of clicks, really. that was all. no postal mail or > something. and i can topup my skype credit with it now. or transfer > to my (slovenian) bank account. haven't tried any of that yet tho. > > > -- > l ? http://skylined.org ? http://viator.si ? > _______________________________________________ > aether mailing list > aether at [nospam] 1904.cc > http://lists.1904.cc/mailman/listinfo/aether > From chloecramer at [nospam] gmail.com Tue Jan 22 11:35:16 2008 From: chloecramer at [nospam] gmail.com (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?chlo=E9_cramer?=) Date: Tue, 22 Jan 2008 11:35:16 +0100 Subject: [aether] payments for novi sad + moneybookers In-Reply-To: <95c795f70801211338pff36030i1a4791cfceaa743f {a+} mail.gmail.com> References: <597022.50402.qm {a+} web54501.mail.re2.yahoo.com> <20080120175322.e8279bec.nova {a+} viator.si> <95c795f70801211338pff36030i1a4791cfceaa743f {a+} mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <3d22b5760801220235y10ddd282j9ce6828e924be12e {a+} mail.gmail.com> same for me, the money was immediatly available or usable on online services. Chlo? > I guess the authentication via mail or bank account is only necessary > when you want to transfer money to your bank account. The internet > account was working right away for me. And the page offers a big > collection of online stores where you can immediately spend your > money... > > cym > > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.1904.cc/pipermail/aether/attachments/20080122/6298b4be/attachment.html From lauredinateur at [nospam] yahoo.de Tue Jan 22 13:12:50 2008 From: lauredinateur at [nospam] yahoo.de (laure deselys) Date: Tue, 22 Jan 2008 13:12:50 +0100 (CET) Subject: [aether] payments for novi sad + moneybookers In-Reply-To: <95c795f70801211338pff36030i1a4791cfceaa743f {a+} mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <840007.96187.qm {a+} web26713.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> im in moneybookers too. laure --- cym net schrieb: > Hello > > I created the moneybookers account today. It was > really simple and the > first time I logged into my new account, there is > already the > aethermoney on the account :-) > > Only the internetconnection that i am using here in > Netherlands is so > bad, I kept falling in and out of the registration > process. But i have > the account all set up now. > > I guess the authentication via mail or bank account > is only necessary > when you want to transfer money to your bank > account. The internet > account was working right away for me. And the page > offers a big > collection of online stores where you can > immediately spend your > money... > > cym > > > On Jan 20, 2008 5:53 PM, Luka Princic / Nova Viator > wrote: > > "1.1.1904" <1.1 [*] 1904.cc>: > > > i sent out the payments for novi sad performance > > > through the moneybookers system. i'm aware that > > > > wow, thanks for that!!! > > > > > the creation/authentifcation of a new account is > > > quite time-consuming. if you use the system for > > > the first time be prepared for some hassle, as > > > you will need to "authenticate" the account > > > first, by having a letter sent to your post > > > adress for example (or by transfering a small > > > amount, which is annoying as you pay the fee > > > twice). also i noticed that the methods vary by > > > country. > > > > i needed couple of clicks, really. that was all. > no postal mail or > > something. and i can topup my skype credit with it > now. or transfer > > to my (slovenian) bank account. haven't tried any > of that yet tho. > > > > > > -- > > l ? http://skylined.org ? http://viator.si ? > > _______________________________________________ > > aether mailing list > > aether at [nospam] 1904.cc > > http://lists.1904.cc/mailman/listinfo/aether > > > _______________________________________________ > aether mailing list > aether at [nospam] 1904.cc > http://lists.1904.cc/mailman/listinfo/aether > __________________________________ Ihr erstes Baby? Holen Sie sich Tipps von anderen Eltern. www.yahoo.de/clever From ciruela at [nospam] une.net.co Tue Jan 22 14:23:09 2008 From: ciruela at [nospam] une.net.co (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?Paula_V=E9lez_Bravo?=) Date: Tue, 22 Jan 2008 08:23:09 -0500 Subject: [aether] Call for entry that must be fronted by Latin American artist In-Reply-To: <18655.2756.qm {a+} web62306.mail.re1.yahoo.com> References: <18655.2756.qm {a+} web62306.mail.re1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <5CE0FA55-7345-40B9-BF01-91954B483AAE {a+} une.net.co> hi Judy: and everyone. happy new year! i arrive only this weekend, i was in vacation with my kids... like summer vacations for us. so excuses for being late to answer and be conected to aether. i was in a place without internet. i'm just starting reading mails in the list. so, this is my first one. i will finish reading to see if someone aplies for this Laboratorio de esperimentacion artistica de Buenos Aires. if not, we have time to do it. so, write you very soon to confirm. cheers Paula El 26/12/2007, a las 12:48, Judy Nylon escribi?: > > > Paula V?lez Bravo wrote: > Hi Paula.....This one just came to my attention: > > premio a las artes faena art district, buenos aires > call for entries > prize for the arts > new projects in all media > open to all latin american artists > jury > prizes ($30,000, $16,000) > LEA Laboratorio de experimentacion artistica > deadline 15 feb 08 > > www.lea-fgroup.com > > The site is also in English and the location looks new and well > endowed. > All Best, > Judy > > > Looking for last minute shopping deals? 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URL: http://lists.1904.cc/pipermail/aether/attachments/20080122/89ce43c2/attachment.html From knickerbockerjuju at [nospam] yahoo.com Wed Jan 23 21:48:49 2008 From: knickerbockerjuju at [nospam] yahoo.com (Judy Nylon) Date: Wed, 23 Jan 2008 12:48:49 -0800 (PST) Subject: [aether] Cym...contact for your ISEA trip In-Reply-To: <95c795f70801211338pff36030i1a4791cfceaa743f {a+} mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <131645.57026.qm {a+} web62301.mail.re1.yahoo.com> CYM, Whenever you are back home and have time: I have skyped My friend in Singapore and mentioned that you will be going to ISEA, ken at kennethfeinstein.com ken at ntu.edu.sg www.kennethfeinstein.com +65 91859732 Kenneth Feinstein on Skype He is currently an Associate Professor in the School of Art, Design, & Media at Nanyang Technical University in Singapore. (NTU), The campus is outside the city but I believe he was also getting a studio in town. He knows about Aether and will know next week what his involvement with ISEA will be this year. He confirmed that he does know many of the promoters and will be in town during that time. He suggested that you contact him whenever you want to. I'm sure he will be helpful. JUDY --------------------------------- Never miss a thing. Make Yahoo your homepage. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.1904.cc/pipermail/aether/attachments/20080123/6cddae0e/attachment.html From ciruela at [nospam] une.net.co Fri Jan 25 20:03:22 2008 From: ciruela at [nospam] une.net.co (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?Paula_V=E9lez_Bravo?=) Date: Fri, 25 Jan 2008 14:03:22 -0500 Subject: [aether] payments In-Reply-To: <131645.57026.qm {a+} web62301.mail.re1.yahoo.com> References: <131645.57026.qm {a+} web62301.mail.re1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: FInally! I register my acount in moneybookers. Thank you very much Manu. i must now see how it works to use the money or to put it in my account. thanks. well, then i pass to the other subjects about aether. i must look at my inbox to see next performance and thinks i can do like the Argentina link. singapur, and others. see you . p From ciruela at [nospam] une.net.co Fri Jan 25 20:07:35 2008 From: ciruela at [nospam] une.net.co (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?Paula_V=E9lez_Bravo?=) Date: Fri, 25 Jan 2008 14:07:35 -0500 Subject: [aether] my paypal if important In-Reply-To: <131645.57026.qm {a+} web62301.mail.re1.yahoo.com> References: <131645.57026.qm {a+} web62301.mail.re1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <556B2594-DA28-45F7-A7C4-D6AA1718BEB1 {a+} une.net.co> i also have a pypal acount in pvelezbr at [nospam] hotmail.com. i hate hotmail but i have that acount that i use once. ok, bye. paula El 23/01/2008, a las 15:48, Judy Nylon escribi?: > CYM, > Whenever you are back home and have time: > > I have skyped My friend in Singapore and mentioned that you will be > going to ISEA, > > ken at kennethfeinstein.com > ken at ntu.edu.sg > www.kennethfeinstein.com > +65 91859732 > Kenneth Feinstein on Skype > > He is currently an Associate Professor in the School of Art, > Design, & Media at Nanyang Technical University in Singapore. > (NTU), The campus is outside the city but I believe he was also > getting a studio in town. > > He knows about Aether and will know next week what his involvement > with ISEA will be this year. He confirmed that he does know many of > the promoters and will be in town during that time. He suggested > that you contact him whenever you want to. I'm sure he will be > helpful. > > JUDY > > Never miss a thing. Make Yahoo your homepage. > _______________________________________________ > aether mailing list > aether at [nospam] 1904.cc > http://lists.1904.cc/mailman/listinfo/aether -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.1904.cc/pipermail/aether/attachments/20080125/1e22562f/attachment.html From ideacritik at [nospam] yahoo.ca Tue Jan 29 01:33:06 2008 From: ideacritik at [nospam] yahoo.ca (::audrey::) Date: Mon, 28 Jan 2008 16:33:06 -0800 (PST) Subject: [aether] oneminute.ch Message-ID: <668357.67852.qm {a+} web50209.mail.re2.yahoo.com> hi, i thought it could be nice to make a one minute video of one of the performances - since it uploads about every 3-5 seconds, a one-minute version could look like a 25fps frame rate performance, a sped-up stop-motion (not sure if its interesting in the end - but i think its worth fiddling around with). i will try to do this with the screencast i have of the last rotterdam performance. if anyone has better footage of a performance please come forward :) audrey ----- Message: 10 Date: Thu, 24 Jan 2008 09:43:22 +0100 From: dettling at oneminute.ch Subject: The One Minute Film & Video Festival Aarau, Switzerland call for entries To: nettime-ann at nettime.org Message-ID: <20080124094322.mumk19okreo4g088 at webmail.oneminute.ch> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; DelSp="Yes"; format="flowed" Call for Submissions http://www.oneminute.ch The One Minute Film & Video Festival Aarau, Switzerland, is open to shortfilms up to 60 seconds! You can submit films in 4 Categories: - Fiction/Documentary - Animation - Art/Experimental - Youth/U20 The films can be sent online! There is no entry fee! Our deadline is May 30th 2007 For further informations visit our website: www.oneminute.ch One Minute Film & Video Festival Aarau P.o.Box 2761 CH - 5000 Aarau Switzerland info {AT} oneminute.ch ----- Devenez un meilleur amigo gr?ce ? Yahoo! Courriel http://cf.promos.yahoo.com/courriel/visiteguidee2/ -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.1904.cc/pipermail/aether/attachments/20080128/bc30ebf8/attachment.html