From favela-studio at cave12.org Mon Mar 3 08:06:16 2008 From: favela-studio at cave12.org (favela-studio at cave12.org) Date: Mon, 03 Mar 2008 08:06:16 +0100 Subject: [aether] Audience-oriented In-Reply-To: <47C1BEF6.2050702 {a+} n3krozoft.com> Message-ID: <1204527976-6f477a01e69b7c3ae9d50a0ae67314c7 {a+} cave12.org> Hello my name is Leticia but you can call me Favela too. I m an independent curator/ emotional curator. I know Manuel Boris and Laure from Shiniva :-) I organise thematics expositions ex; "squat aesthetics" in 2004 and I "help"artist to find art space to show their work. Now I have a project with an artist friend to go to Liverpool this late summer to do a programation in a industrial building Im trying to understand the way you communicate...skype..etc. So maybe I take a little to really invest myself to aether Think about possible urban installation aether in Liverpool??? nice week for everybody)))) L ----- Message d'origine ----- De: bk Date: Sun, 24 Feb 2008 20:01:10 +0100 Sujet: [aether] Audience-oriented ?: //// collaborative networked performance //// >Hi all, > >First of all welcome to the new members of the list! >Paola Guimerans, Leticia Ramos and Peter Cleak. >Please don't hesitate to post about what brought you here and don't be >shy to share your ideas about formal and narrative aspects of aether9. >(By the way we need to decide if the official project name is "aether9", >as it was in the begining and in the grant we received, or simply >"aether", as it is more and more referred to :-) > >/// > >Latest news: >yesterday there was a skype-chat between Audrey, Lucy, Manu, Boris, >Chris and apparitions of Paula and Laure. Good to read it to understand >the rest of this mail. Here is the log (the very begining is missing, >and also i made a digest of this talk at the bottom of this mail): >http://1904.cc/~aether/archive/LRRH/ > >/// > >About Little Red Riding Hood (LRRH): > >Imagine the western theme Manu is lobbying for. >Imagine the longest distanced showdown in western history Chris ravelled >about. >Imagine the burning of objects, an old theme here never actualised in an >aether performance. >Imagine Highways. >Imagine yet another narrative layer where some performers, with boots >and hats and guns?, would be conferencing the audience, visually and >with their live voice (conferencing about what i don't know - and this >would require to switch the sources of the audio-stream flows). As live >transmission studio operators. >Imagine the artifacts that the League would not fail to produce >Imagine the Little Red Riding Hood being the thin red line of all this >wonderfull bazar. > >Well all this already falls together in my head. Could be a slow paced >metaphysic western adaptation of the LRRH, with a big showdown at the >end (John Woo style, all performers flying and shooting everywhere at a >lovely slow framerate ;-) >Numerous narrative and formal layers can undoubtely be added to this! > >/// > >We have a core of very involved individuals with no hierarchical >definitions and with no agreement or manifesto or constitution about how >decisions are taken. >I will rumble over this now in a not very structured way... > >Recently on the mailing-list, a lot of questions started to challenge a >little more consciously our "research and development system", here are >a couple of them: > > > Chlo? wrote, 2/17/08 10:45 AM >On my side, people thought that it was a quite dark performance. They >liked the process but not the story. >Personnally, I have to say that I'd prefere to investigate either a >"spatial-formal experience" (like Beckett's) or a lighter screenplay, >with comic sides. >Is it necessary to tell a story with a dramatic Action? Shouldn't the >drama be a formal stake? (in the Ghost trio,there are very few hints to >the characters interiority and the dramatic climax comes with a unique >close up on his face...) > > > Judy, 2/17/08 3:51 PM >Certainly each viewer will prefer the style/story of one performance >over the other. However, we are building a lexicon of the 'Aether voice'. > > > Audrey, 2/21/08 10:22 PM >i think self-criticism is important. if i read over the comments above, >i notice elements that come back every time. we seem to be repeating >ourselves... especially in our mistakes. >-the potentially interesting elements of our 'tool' were not explored >(i.e. the exchange of elements between scenes like the typewriter -- >this kind of exchange should have happened throughout the whole performance) >-the image as a whole (the html interface) made no sense, it was really >like autistic actors. it felt as if the frames had no meaning together. >-the text in the middle frame did not resonate - it did not help the >viewer to understand the actions of the actors or whatever else. >-either make it totally abstract, or totally a 'followable narrative', >not something in the middle. >-the sound had peaks and drops, it lacked an overall 'background' (or >atmosphere?) binding it together. >-a lot of people just told me it simply made no sense to them. > > > chlo?, 2/22/08 12:01 AM >it seems to me that we consciously chose to work in a certain way, away >from the "leadership of a single mind". This means we will always mix >our point of views and create a hybrid performance... > >-- > >How where scripts written? >- For CMYK, Nathalie basically proposed a script she created by herself. >- The idea to adapt something from Beckett appeared in the aether >mailing-list and wiki since the early days and the adaptation was mostly >done by Laure and Chlo?. >- Previous performances scripts and ideas where usually the work of the >aether9 melting pool, except "the Girl Without Hands" adaptation where >the script was mostly the work of the n3krozoft sub-group (chlo?, manu, >boris). > >Now as the Little Red Riding Hood (LRRH) became the most discussed topic >for the next performance, i would like that we keep this script >discussion very open by keeping everybody informed about script >advancments and ideas through the mailing list and/or the wiki. >One of the most interesting feats of our network of people is the >collective script writing process and i feel we cannot abandon this, on >the contrary. > >And money matters: >Audrey wrote: "how can we 'pay' ourselves if we made almost no money? i >know there is a grant - but does it make sense? just a question." >In the "dossier" that brought the first grant to aether9, a large >portion of the $ is attributed to the performers, so the payment policy >we used for the Beckett performance strictly follows the logic of this >"dossier". But indeed we could imagine doing things differently with >this money. One of the problems i see in the logic of the dossier is >that, although the money-making is small, it is not insignificant for >young artists and some of us (including myself) like the idea of this >little income but it can become a barrier if it's like "we are a little >group and we share the grant(s)", where new elements would be >perturbations. And this would be very sad. >But i don't have a real alternative proposal for now. >But i notice that more and more the discussions about money here include >words like "art fairs" and "merchandising", soon we will surely talk >about outsourcing and off-shoring :-) , this tends to draw a picture for >a project that requires some kind of business plan. I like it, although >i'm alien to it. >Again, seems to me that this approach will require an explicit and >verbalised core of people who want to be in charge of defining and >pursuing the plan, of making decisions. > >And If there are art-fairs and business plans, there are qualitative >imperatives that will appear in a new way. We had so far something like >a silent implicit censorship and approval system that worked, so far so >good. But now what happens if we are performing in the context of some >art-fair? Will we need sheriffs that decide what is good or bad >according to their taste and ideas about aether9? Seems inevitable to >me, but then again it is in contradiction with well accepted creative >collective principles. >Well, great questions ahead. > >/// > >Random considerations: > > > how to develop the "guest-conductor" concept? It is interesting in >principle i find, but how to make this principle more audience-oriented? >I really would like to go towards a more performative audience-oriented >path... > > > how to ad more chaos/play? >1 approach would be to parasite the narrative at times. With 1 single >frame of something totally different :-) like the zepellin and the wtc >burning, such little references, at a subliminal dose. > > > i would love our contacts from Iran and China participating in the >performances, so i will personally check if they wish to involve >themselves, invite them to be active on the list and so on... > > > 1 single person can easily decide to "hack" a performance. This >person would simply need to follow a link on the 1904.cc site, download >a patch and... act at the right time, in whatever frame he wishes... It >could be also a mere curious viewer with no malicious intentions decides >to check how all this works. The fact that it hasn't happened simply >shows that we aren't popular enough:-) > > > Merchandising ideas (read the chat log for more on this marvelous >subject): >- t-shirts >- create an aetheric fragrance, soaking our artefacts (shirts, vcd's)... >(chris i believe you emmited such an idea...) >- use more polinisation/social/network tools (facebook, myspace, >youtube, flickr, mailing lists, etc...) > >Love to all, >Boris > > >/// > >ps: here is some of the best moments of yesterday's chat, for the record: > >boris >2/23/08 7:36 PM >what is the topic of the discussion now? > >fe2cruz >2/23/08 7:37 PM >1) riding hood >2) mapping >3) ISEA >4) new performers >5)grant > >fe2cruz >2/23/08 7:38 PM >My favorit is simple repeating patterns >the lines on aemotions > >Remote Control Monkey >2/23/08 7:39 PM >if simple formal and non-narrative is preferred, what about moving the >same objects through the frame - the journey of objects through space >and time > >aether9 >2/23/08 7:41 PM >well, the kind of visual stuff i'm imagining, is for example to have >that moment, where on each frame is played a video that each of us >filmed driving on some highway in our respective locations... > >fe2cruz >2/23/08 7:41 PM >any of the fluid frame interaction and movement is good. anything that >the viewer can underestand easily > >Remote Control Monkey >2/23/08 7:41 PM >on a philosophical level, what if we all were one character? > >boris >2/23/08 7:41 PM >in the last performance cmyk i believe that the murder with the type >machine was a high point for the audience. there it was simple, it was >an ACTION between frame 3 and 6. > >Remote Control Monkey >2/23/08 7:42 PM >regarding the highway footage, what are your thoughts about live vs. >prerecorded? > >fe2cruz >2/23/08 7:42 PM >driving and streaming can be dangerous > >aether9 >2/23/08 7:44 PM >and some "justification" could be to see each location as a >"transmission studio" ... sometimes to operator being visible, sometimes >he transmits something... > >ideacritik >2/23/08 7:44 PM >the highway could be our 'cohesive element' like the cards wer >the transmission theme fits the audio i think > >aether9 >2/23/08 7:44 PM >could be.. a sort of "country music -> western -> highways" chain of thought > >fe2cruz >2/23/08 7:44 PM >I like roads and rivers > >aether9 >2/23/08 7:48 PM >yeah, it could be great for that performance to transmit from some >"special" locations, not just inside an appartment... > >Remote Control Monkey >2/23/08 7:49 PM >while we have landscape view - how could we add another layer - the >something that connects all the frames - what could pass through that >relates to highways - do we all have the same destination? do we all end >up at a similar place? > >boris >2/23/08 7:49 PM >for mapping, i would really like if there was some kind of "conference" >as well. if some of the performers could stream their voice. it could be >a dialogue. > >aether9 >2/23/08 7:57 PM >another thing that could be maybe interesting, are slow processual >actions... like putting fire to some (wooden) thing and watch it burn slowly > >Remote Control Monkey >2/23/08 8:01 PM >new brainstream...I like the idea of burning (and the elements) - if we >all burned something in frame could be interesting - what if we held an >object, like the water glass, and then burned a >picture/drawing/representation of that object > >aether9 >2/23/08 8:07 PM >i'm wondering if it could be interesting to step into some iconic >western/cowboy imagery ... on major moment of interaction could be a big >shootout between frame 4 and 6 the middle frame (5) passing the bullets >between them > >fe2cruz >2/23/08 8:08 PM >YES let's have a killin! > >fe2cruz >2/23/08 8:09 PM >the longest distanced showdown in western history > >Nylon >2/23/08 8:18 PM >Can I suggest that we put all Red R. Hood....info onto the wiki to look >at possibilities sonic, visual code....in an outline form > >Nylon >2/23/08 8:23 PM >versions that we all should be familiar with?? > >Nylon >2/23/08 8:33 PM >Yes....slow change from light to darkness. Literally or......change from >positive image to negative (filmic Xray image) > >aether9 >2/23/08 8:33 PM >the fact that the wolf is able to incorporate the grandmother suggests >he's actually rather a werewolf.. > >boris >2/23/08 8:33 PM >i like this + / - positiv/negativ playing x-ray miaw > >Nylon >2/23/08 8:39 PM >The theory is that smart wolves finured out that food was plentiful and >humans were not that dangerous and then crept closer to the fire and >shape shifted and inbred for docility > >fe2cruz >2/23/08 8:40 PM >i've always imagined the 9 cells being used as an educational interface > >Remote Control Monkey >2/23/08 8:41 PM >For research and development, the League is interested in building the >mythology behind some of these projects, with visuals, fake artifacts, >etc. - if there's interest or space we'd be down to develop some side >story that isn't necessarily in the performance (as we did for the >remote fairytales) > >Nylon >2/23/08 8:41 PM >I was interested in Chris's mention of investing some dosh in editioned >items... > >fe2cruz >2/23/08 8:42 PM >yeah sell the props, even on ebay > >Nylon >2/23/08 8:43 PM >I have met the people from Janus....litho editions. The set up is that >they work with you up to an agreed artist proof and then produce the >entire edition and sell it for a percentage....it is a can't lose >arrangement if we can interest them in doing it > >Nylon >2/23/08 8:45 PM >but if we stop paying ourselves and then do not make objets that can be >sold via gallerys....well how is this a solutio to dwindling money > >Remote Control Monkey >2/23/08 8:49 PM >perhaps this is not the focus of aether as a group, though it is what >the league really does - contextualize events or stories in other ways > >Nylon >2/23/08 8:50 PM >I think we need to move at least one foot into the 'actually or >established marketplace' with someting editioned, that people want. >Nothing we do will sell on ebay and the re-sale value of old stage items >is nothing unless they either owned by Damian Hearst or Some one >famous........what were the magic lanterns about that were produced by >you'all in Brussels or Geneva....I forget > >ideacritik >2/23/08 9:02 PM >you know what -- i think i'm tired 'cause i'm really not understanding >anything anymore - so maybe i'll politely float away... i wanted to ask >something about grants so i'll write a mail. perhaps we should actually >plan a rehearsal - like a playing around time slot... i'll try and get a >camera. easier to test visual ideas... ok folks! ye-haa! pow pow pow!!! > >Nylon >2/23/08 9:12 PM >But.....I am concerned about adding new contexts to Aether performances >to increase the audiences....which is why I thought of art fair evening >performances where an audience already is assembled > >aether9 >2/23/08 9:12 PM >T-shirts - why not, but we need to find a place to print (not cheap >around geneva) and somebody to design them and somebody to sell them.... > >Nylon >2/23/08 9:13 PM >BUT......I can hear you thinking ....we do need to get it together a bit >more >T-shirts are $4 each one colored printed in USA >There is hardly a band here that doesn't have a tee-shirt > >aether9 >2/23/08 9:17 PM >ok, so we definitely need that .. > >Nylon >2/23/08 9:21 PM >We can sell shirts because Aether is a great idea. > >aether9 >2/23/08 9:22 PM >i will repeat that to myself every morning > >Nylon >2/23/08 9:22 PM >You should....thats what I mean about thinking without poverty fears >The trick is to be the first networked performance team that becomes >known outside of the classroom >Design should be done ASAP.....like now. Then there is getting them over >there >I reccomend someone shipping with someone in their suitcase > >aether9 >2/23/08 9:30 PM >hmm, what i'm thinking now about, which could be a selling strategy >(considering that whenever we tryied to sell nicely designed dvds at >gallery openings, we sold close to nothing) >would be to make a little series of VCDs (video-cd, cheaper than dvd, >plays on dvd player) with a cheap cover design looking like the pirate >stuff sold on the street by kids in south-east europe... >like pirate copies for the aether fan base > >Nylon >2/23/08 9:35 PM >On the website and through a link from myspace....and seriously, art >fairs and stores...and give a few away to VIP types. Pirate copy style >is good. These thing don't need to look like heirlooms. Some poeple just >print a stencil on acitate, cut and spray paint....as loog as it looks great >I mean "looks good" > >fe2cruz >2/23/08 9:36 PM >yeah in LA people only buy stuff with handmade packaging >we mostly don't even open and use the media inside >we just like the package so much > >aether9 >2/23/08 9:36 PM >the point of the "pirate" esthetic, is that it looks horrible, kitsch >fonts, cheap bleeding color photocopy... > >Nylon >2/23/08 9:36 PM >Here too. Like LA....we don't like chain store looking stuff > >fe2cruz >2/23/08 9:36 PM >that's exactly what would sell at a little venue here >my friends sold cds in a paper bag with a cigarette > >Nylon >2/23/08 9:41 PM >OK new performers. What is the thoughs on guest spots by the famous? > >aether9 >2/23/08 9:41 PM >also, i've been contacted by a chinese artist who is interested in the >project >but not sure if she really intends to participate > >Nylon >2/23/08 9:42 PM >I do live next door to the early vidoe poeple Judith Barry and Dan >Graham also > >fe2cruz >2/23/08 9:42 PM >i've always seen this as an open group yes please judy bring them in! > >Nylon >2/23/08 9:44 PM >almost anyone can be reached. Moby lives around the corner too >BUT>>>>>again, we are a bit unorganized as to what exactly we are doing. >Our website is more organized than we are at this point > >Nylon >2/23/08 9:47 PM >Do we have a counter to tell how much web traffic we have on 1904.cc? > >aether9 >2/23/08 9:53 PM >it says 200 visits per day for february 2008 >_______________________________________________ >aether mailing list >aether at [nospam] 1904.cc >http://lists.1904.cc/mailman/listinfo/aether > > From ciruela at [nospam] une.net.co Wed Mar 5 14:42:15 2008 From: ciruela at [nospam] une.net.co (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?Paula_V=E9lez_Bravo?=) Date: Wed, 05 Mar 2008 08:42:15 -0500 Subject: [aether] good news - Festival Internacional de la Imagen In-Reply-To: <92752.27705.qm {a+} web50204.mail.re2.yahoo.com> References: <92752.27705.qm {a+} web50204.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <49C7752D-32F8-44C8-B4C5-5C0EA8850FE8 {a+} une.net.co> Hi everybody, Last week i send AETHER' project proposal to a Festival in COlombia: http://www.festivaldelaimagen.com/home.php They are positif about our participation. Now we must see who is able to participate, to work and be connected. We will be part of : Monographic show of media art. http://www.festivaldelaimagen.com/ampliacion_noticia.php? UID=NOTWW0000025 between 15 and 19 april. i have not already fixed a date exacte for the performance. so tell me when i must fix it. we must arrange this with Mapping Festival dates. and start seriusly thinking of a new script, form, id?e. after last discussions and ideas that everybody manifested around AETHER performing way. ok i just be a little away until sunday. but then i will be participating in all planning for everything. good news i think. so let's be prepared to do something around new ideas. cheers Paula -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.1904.cc/pipermail/aether/attachments/20080305/5cb1ed02/attachment.html From ideacritik at [nospam] yahoo.ca Wed Mar 5 18:11:57 2008 From: ideacritik at [nospam] yahoo.ca (::audrey::) Date: Wed, 5 Mar 2008 09:11:57 -0800 (PST) Subject: [aether] Re : good news - Festival Internacional de la Imagen Message-ID: <211532.29040.qm {a+} web50205.mail.re2.yahoo.com> hi, this is great news paula! i reserve the confirmation of my participation until i fix my fried ethernet port problem. 'again?' you say!? well, lightning struck our abode (right above my room!)... and apparently lightning also travels through ethernet wires. so, word to the wise, lightning = unplug all electrical + ethernet cables. to whoever suggested marguerite chenney's book about tesla (i've been reading it) -- i really felt like i was in Tesla's lab as he was conducting experiments with ridiculously high voltages when i heard the unforgettable sound of that lightning striking the house... maybe i should get a cork computer case :) audrey ps so im also only sporadically online... ----- Message initial ---- De : Paula V?lez Bravo ? : //// collaborative networked performance //// Envoy? le : mercredi 5 mars 2008, 14 h 42 min 15 s Objet : Re: [aether] good news - Festival Internacional de la Imagen Hi everybody, Last week i send AETHER' project proposal to a Festival in COlombia: http://www.festivaldelaimagen.com/home.php They are positif about our participation. Now we must see who is able to participate, to work and be connected. We will be part of : Monographic show of media art. http://www.festivaldelaimagen.com/ampliacion_noticia.php?UID=NOTWW0000025 between 15 and 19 april. i have not already fixed a date exacte for the performance. so tell me when i must fix it. we must arrange this with Mapping Festival dates. and start seriusly thinking of a new script, form, id?e. after last discussions and ideas that everybody manifested around AETHER performing way. ok i just be a little away until sunday. but then i will be participating in all planning for everything. good news i think. so let's be prepared to do something around new ideas. cheers Paula -----La pi?ce jointe correspondante suit----- _______________________________________________ aether mailing list aether at [nospam] 1904.cc http://lists.1904.cc/mailman/listinfo/aether Offrez un compte Flickr Pro ? vos amis et ? votre famille. http://www.flickr.com/gift/ -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.1904.cc/pipermail/aether/attachments/20080305/a73243fb/attachment.html From chloecramer at [nospam] gmail.com Wed Mar 5 21:39:15 2008 From: chloecramer at [nospam] gmail.com (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?chlo=E9_cramer?=) Date: Wed, 5 Mar 2008 21:39:15 +0100 Subject: [aether] Re : good news - Festival Internacional de la Imagen In-Reply-To: <211532.29040.qm {a+} web50205.mail.re2.yahoo.com> References: <211532.29040.qm {a+} web50205.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <3d22b5760803051239y53ea4584idbb8e09ec860e81b {a+} mail.gmail.com> Hello,This is very nice indeed. I'd like to participate to this performance and especially take part to the script writing. I was not able to take part to the last discussion but I read the skype of it and it was very interesting! See you soon Chlo? > > Hi everybody, > Last week i send AETHER' project proposal to a Festival in COlombia: > > http://www.festivaldelaimagen.com/home.php > > They are positif about our participation. Now we must see who is able to > participate, to work and be connected. > > We will be part of : Monographic show of media art. > http://www.festivaldelaimagen.com/ampliacion_noticia.php?UID=NOTWW0000025 > > between 15 and 19 april. > > i have not already fixed a date exacte for the performance. > so tell me when i must fix it. > > we must arrange this with Mapping Festival dates. > > and start seriusly thinking of a new script, form, id?e. after last > discussions and ideas that everybody manifested around AETHER performing > way. > > ok > i just be a little away until sunday. but then i will be participating in > all planning for everything. > > good news i think. so let's be prepared to do something around new ideas. > > cheers > > Paula > > > > -----La pi?ce jointe correspondante suit----- > > _______________________________________________ > aether mailing list > aether at [nospam] 1904.cc > http://lists.1904.cc/mailman/listinfo/aether > > > ------------------------------ > D?couvrez les styles qui font sensation sur * Yahoo! Qu?bec Avatars* > > _______________________________________________ > aether mailing list > aether at [nospam] 1904.cc > http://lists.1904.cc/mailman/listinfo/aether > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.1904.cc/pipermail/aether/attachments/20080305/b15fcb57/attachment.html From knickerbockerjuju at [nospam] yahoo.com Thu Mar 6 01:06:09 2008 From: knickerbockerjuju at [nospam] yahoo.com (Judy Nylon) Date: Wed, 5 Mar 2008 16:06:09 -0800 (PST) Subject: [aether] Re : good news - Festival Internacional de la Imagen In-Reply-To: <211532.29040.qm {a+} web50205.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <639863.53593.qm {a+} web62312.mail.re1.yahoo.com> Yes, Great news Paula! I will start focusing thought on Red Riding Hood. One good thing about there being a lot of us is that, I'm feeling OK to suggest that I will sit back a bit for the Mapping Festival. Of course, anything Biscappen might want me to do about sound from NYC, I would be happy to assist with, but I sense they have it covered. This is fun when Aether can do a lot of things at once by organizing. I would like to hear & see Biscappen; will they work on-set live in Geneva? The Chenney Tesla book was one of my favorites, for the intimacy of his work on a daily level. To the suggestion to unplug electrics during lightning, I add....unplug when you are out of town for a while. I have returned to find things fried one time in Miami after a Hurricane. I am still trying to get the camera I want.........soon. Judy : audrey: : Wed Mar 5 09: 11: 57 at [nospam] yahoo.com, UNEXPECTED_DATA_AFTER_ADDRESS_IN_GROUP at .SYNTAX-ERROR.;;;;;, "::audrey::" wrote: hi, this is great news paula! i reserve the confirmation of my participation until i fix my fried ethernet port problem. 'again?' you say!? well, lightning struck our abode (right above my room!)... and apparently lightning also travels through ethernet wires. so, word to the wise, lightning = unplug all electrical + ethernet cables. to whoever suggested marguerite chenney's book about tesla (i've been reading it) -- i really felt like i was in Tesla's lab as he was conducting experiments with ridiculously high voltages when i heard the unforgettable sound of that lightning striking the house... maybe i should get a cork computer case :) audrey ps so im also only sporadically online... ----- Message initial ---- De : Paula V?lez Bravo ? : //// collaborative networked performance //// Envoy? le : mercredi 5 mars 2008, 14 h 42 min 15 s Objet : Re: [aether] good news - Festival Internacional de la Imagen Hi everybody, Last week i send AETHER' project proposal to a Festival in COlombia: http://www.festivaldelaimagen.com/home.php They are positif about our participation. Now we must see who is able to participate, to work and be connected. We will be part of : Monographic show of media art. http://www.festivaldelaimagen.com/ampliacion_noticia.php?UID=NOTWW0000025 between 15 and 19 april. i have not already fixed a date exacte for the performance. so tell me when i must fix it. we must arrange this with Mapping Festival dates. and start seriusly thinking of a new script, form, id?e. after last discussions and ideas that everybody manifested around AETHER performing way. ok i just be a little away until sunday. but then i will be participating in all planning for everything. good news i think. so let's be prepared to do something around new ideas. cheers Paula -----La pi?ce jointe correspondante suit----- _______________________________________________ aether mailing list aether at [nospam] 1904.cc http://lists.1904.cc/mailman/listinfo/aether --------------------------------- D?couvrez les styles qui font sensation sur Yahoo! 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URL: http://lists.1904.cc/pipermail/aether/attachments/20080305/9726fee9/attachment.html From bk at [nospam] n3krozoft.com Thu Mar 6 12:29:58 2008 From: bk at [nospam] n3krozoft.com (bk) Date: Thu, 06 Mar 2008 12:29:58 +0100 Subject: [aether] next performances In-Reply-To: <49C7752D-32F8-44C8-B4C5-5C0EA8850FE8 {a+} une.net.co> References: <92752.27705.qm {a+} web50204.mail.re2.yahoo.com> <49C7752D-32F8-44C8-B4C5-5C0EA8850FE8 {a+} une.net.co> Message-ID: <47CFD5B6.5060105 {a+} n3krozoft.com> Hi, yes! there's an intense aether activity coming, great news! mappingfestival.com festival (Geneva) on the saturday night 19th april and festivaldelaimagen.com (Colombia) between 15 and 19 april. I propose we do 2 consecutive nights: Colombia friday the 18th and Geneva the 19th. What do you think? It's great that we can start for once to prepare well in advance collectively. It will be a rush... I have been invited to come to Geneva by the mapping festival (by plane, about 100 euros i guess) so i want to be very involved in this performance; script-wise and performers-wise, logistically (rehearsing dates, etc), i will take responsability to be the coordinator. Paula, you wish to be the coordinator for the Colomian performance? /// SCRIPT(S) On one hand, it would be easier to invent 2 closely related scripts, on the other hand it would be a greater challenge to do something different for the 2 performances. Hard to tell now. I propose that we have a 10 day or so brainstorming period, so that we see more clearly in what direction we are heading. Then it would be good to publish quickly a clear basic first draft of the script(s), even very uncomplete. For the Mapping performance, i would like to try to respect a couple principles: > 9 live frames > have a theatrical feel: some kind of curtain at the beggining and knock-knocks at the opening of the curtains... > performers salutes at the end (like at the Beckett performance) /// TECHIE QUESTIONS > Manu, what kind of text function could be added to the max patch? How would it work (text on the image or text alone, or else?) > Can we realistically imagine a performance with multiple sound streams at times (from Geneva, Iran, China and NYC for example)? /// PERSONAL > Would be good to know as far in advance who will participate to the performances. I am ready to participate to both. > It is time maybe to throw an invitation out in the datasphere for new aetherians, cause it would be good to have live activity in all 9 frames at last. I wrote to Amirali and Shervin in Iran to know if they want to get involved, waiting for their response. I would like to focus our search on eastern and far-eastern participants, as we are a bunch of westerners yet. I am not a very good networking animal, if anybody has already some good mailing lists and artists networks in mind to send an invitation to, please gather this info so we all coordinate this together (i lost my free wifi connexion at home, so i always need to go in internet cafes or friends, not so convenient for intensive searching like this... but i will in the next days.) /// SOUND (notice i added in the Cc field the emails from the members of the Bliscappen band) Judy, yes they will be live on-set . People from Bliscappen, prepare for something more on the light lyrical side than on the dark ambient side... /// MARKETING & FINANCES > Mapping could be the occasion to launch our marketing master plan - if we develop one ;-) In any case, we should plan more carefully the announcment and public exposure for these 2 upcoming performances. > If we don't have this master-plan and a clear idea of how we spend the money of the grant, it is my opinion that we should stick to the politic exposed in the application of the grant, wich is to pay a fix amount of money to the participants. /// Looking forward, Boris --- "I rehearse every day very hard, with discipline and rules, in order to be able to improvise every night on stage." (quote Chlo? told me from some actress - good advice for us) > We will be part of : Monographic show of media art. > http://www.festivaldelaimagen.com/ampliacion_noticia.php?UID=NOTWW0000025 > > between 15 and 19 april. > > i have not already fixed a date exacte for the performance. > so tell me when i must fix it. > > we must arrange this with Mapping Festival dates. > > and start seriusly thinking of a new script, form, id?e. after last > discussions and ideas that everybody manifested around AETHER > performing way. > > ok > i just be a little away until sunday. but then i will be participating > in all planning for everything. > > good news i think. so let's be prepared to do something around new ideas. > > cheers > > Paula > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > _______________________________________________ > aether mailing list > aether at [nospam] 1904.cc > http://lists.1904.cc/mailman/listinfo/aether > From bk at [nospam] n3krozoft.com Thu Mar 6 12:51:54 2008 From: bk at [nospam] n3krozoft.com (bk) Date: Thu, 06 Mar 2008 12:51:54 +0100 Subject: [aether] activities on the planet In-Reply-To: <47CFD5B6.5060105 {a+} n3krozoft.com> References: <92752.27705.qm {a+} web50204.mail.re2.yahoo.com> <49C7752D-32F8-44C8-B4C5-5C0EA8850FE8 {a+} une.net.co> <47CFD5B6.5060105 {a+} n3krozoft.com> Message-ID: <47CFDADA.9070609 {a+} n3krozoft.com> By the way, mysterious actions on the html frame... http://1904.cc/aether/live/index.html# B From fougeras_nathalie at [nospam] yahoo.fr Thu Mar 6 13:23:09 2008 From: fougeras_nathalie at [nospam] yahoo.fr (fougeras nathalie) Date: Thu, 6 Mar 2008 13:23:09 +0100 (CET) Subject: [aether] RE : activities on the planet In-Reply-To: <47CFDADA.9070609 {a+} n3krozoft.com> Message-ID: <174180.25414.qm {a+} web26101.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> yes yesterday I opened this interface and I observed that, today it's change a bit in the frames "punir" et "pousser ? bout" ;) maybe a person want propose autonom scenario during the breaks of aether performance.. also i find it's like a scenario mirror of our mail exchange a bit.. ha ha :)) good idea :)) cheers N. bk a ?crit : By the way, mysterious actions on the html frame... http://1904.cc/aether/live/index.html# B _______________________________________________ aether mailing list aether at [nospam] 1904.cc http://lists.1904.cc/mailman/listinfo/aether --------------------------------- Ne gardez plus qu'une seule adresse mail ! Copiez vos mails vers Yahoo! Mail -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.1904.cc/pipermail/aether/attachments/20080306/9a69f5f3/attachment.html From fougeras_nathalie at [nospam] yahoo.fr Thu Mar 6 13:36:32 2008 From: fougeras_nathalie at [nospam] yahoo.fr (fougeras nathalie) Date: Thu, 6 Mar 2008 13:36:32 +0100 (CET) Subject: [aether] RE : Re: good news - Festival Internacional de la Imagen In-Reply-To: <49C7752D-32F8-44C8-B4C5-5C0EA8850FE8 {a+} une.net.co> Message-ID: <966156.67312.qm {a+} web26115.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> Hi, I like news idea about new scenarios to test and perform, influences and differences sounds great for me.. I 'm free to participate between the 15 and 19th april Paula and to work on the rehearsals before too cheers Nathalie Paula V?lez Bravo a ?crit : Hi everybody, Last week i send AETHER' project proposal to a Festival in COlombia: http://www.festivaldelaimagen.com/home.php They are positif about our participation. Now we must see who is able to participate, to work and be connected. We will be part of : Monographic show of media art. http://www.festivaldelaimagen.com/ampliacion_noticia.php?UID=NOTWW0000025 between 15 and 19 april. i have not already fixed a date exacte for the performance. so tell me when i must fix it. we must arrange this with Mapping Festival dates. and start seriusly thinking of a new script, form, id?e. after last discussions and ideas that everybody manifested around AETHER performing way. ok i just be a little away until sunday. but then i will be participating in all planning for everything. good news i think. so let's be prepared to do something around new ideas. cheers Paula _______________________________________________ aether mailing list aether at [nospam] 1904.cc http://lists.1904.cc/mailman/listinfo/aether --------------------------------- Ne gardez plus qu'une seule adresse mail ! Copiez vos mails vers Yahoo! Mail -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.1904.cc/pipermail/aether/attachments/20080306/46f84c5c/attachment.html From fe2cruz at [nospam] hotmail.com Thu Mar 6 18:10:43 2008 From: fe2cruz at [nospam] hotmail.com (fe2cruz) Date: Thu, 6 Mar 2008 09:10:43 -0800 Subject: [aether] MY BIKE! In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: not sure if it was on purpose but in IE and opera the center cell is wider. I like the asymmetry of the cells in this mainframe activity sample. If possible via HTML you might link the cell size to a control patch & morph the size of the cells throughout the performance making a kind of 4th dimension of movement: The center cell is bigger the rest are smaller sizes. Then cell 3 could be larger while the others are smaller. The larger cell could spiral around or move to accent the big action, like a zoom or a spotlight. Overlap, random sizes other disorder could be played with. And a big but late WELCOME to Paola Guimerans, Peter Cleak and Favela +liverpool sounds fun I'd like to commit a live cell to both of the performances, but if other new aethernites commit I'd prefer they take the cells before me. -c ps laure, boris thanks for uploading the asymmetry of my sidecar! miss you both From: aether-request at [nospam] 1904.cc Sent: Thursday, March 06, 2008 3:00 AM To: aether at [nospam] 1904.cc Subject: aether Digest, Vol 11, Issue 2 Send aether mailing list submissions to aether at [nospam] 1904.cc To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit http://lists.1904.cc/mailman/listinfo/aether or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to aether-request at [nospam] 1904.cc You can reach the person managing the list at aether-owner at [nospam] 1904.cc When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific than "Re: Contents of aether digest..." Today's Topics: 1. Re: good news - Festival Internacional de la Imagen (Paula V?lez Bravo) 2. Re : good news - Festival Internacional de la Imagen (::audrey::) 3. Re: Re : good news - Festival Internacional de la Imagen ( chlo? cramer ) 4. Re: Re : good news - Festival Internacional de la Imagen (Judy Nylon) ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Message: 1 Date: Wed, 05 Mar 2008 08:42:15 -0500 From: Paula V?lez Bravo Subject: Re: [aether] good news - Festival Internacional de la Imagen To: //// collaborative networked performance //// Message-ID: <49C7752D-32F8-44C8-B4C5-5C0EA8850FE8 at [nospam] une.net.co> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Hi everybody, Last week i send AETHER' project proposal to a Festival in COlombia: http://www.festivaldelaimagen.com/home.php They are positif about our participation. Now we must see who is able to participate, to work and be connected. We will be part of : Monographic show of media art. http://www.festivaldelaimagen.com/ampliacion_noticia.php? UID=NOTWW0000025 between 15 and 19 april. i have not already fixed a date exacte for the performance. so tell me when i must fix it. we must arrange this with Mapping Festival dates. and start seriusly thinking of a new script, form, id?e. after last discussions and ideas that everybody manifested around AETHER performing way. ok i just be a little away until sunday. but then i will be participating in all planning for everything. good news i think. so let's be prepared to do something around new ideas. cheers Paula -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.1904.cc/pipermail/aether/attachments/20080305/5cb1ed02/attachment-0001.html ------------------------------ Message: 2 Date: Wed, 5 Mar 2008 09:11:57 -0800 (PST) From: "::audrey::" Subject: [aether] Re : good news - Festival Internacional de la Imagen To: //// collaborative networked performance //// Message-ID: <211532.29040.qm at web50205.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" hi, this is great news paula! i reserve the confirmation of my participation until i fix my fried ethernet port problem. 'again?' you say!? well, lightning struck our abode (right above my room!)... and apparently lightning also travels through ethernet wires. so, word to the wise, lightning = unplug all electrical + ethernet cables. to whoever suggested marguerite chenney's book about tesla (i've been reading it) -- i really felt like i was in Tesla's lab as he was conducting experiments with ridiculously high voltages when i heard the unforgettable sound of that lightning striking the house... maybe i should get a cork computer case :) audrey ps so im also only sporadically online... ----- Message initial ---- De : Paula V?lez Bravo ? : //// collaborative networked performance //// Envoy? le : mercredi 5 mars 2008, 14 h 42 min 15 s Objet : Re: [aether] good news - Festival Internacional de la Imagen Hi everybody, Last week i send AETHER' project proposal to a Festival in COlombia: http://www.festivaldelaimagen.com/home.php They are positif about our participation. Now we must see who is able to participate, to work and be connected. We will be part of : Monographic show of media art. http://www.festivaldelaimagen.com/ampliacion_noticia.php?UID=NOTWW0000025 between 15 and 19 april. i have not already fixed a date exacte for the performance. so tell me when i must fix it. we must arrange this with Mapping Festival dates. and start seriusly thinking of a new script, form, id?e. after last discussions and ideas that everybody manifested around AETHER performing way. ok i just be a little away until sunday. but then i will be participating in all planning for everything. good news i think. so let's be prepared to do something around new ideas. cheers Paula -----La pi?ce jointe correspondante suit----- _______________________________________________ aether mailing list aether at [nospam] 1904.cc http://lists.1904.cc/mailman/listinfo/aether Offrez un compte Flickr Pro ? vos amis et ? votre famille. http://www.flickr.com/gift/ -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.1904.cc/pipermail/aether/attachments/20080305/a73243fb/attachment-0001.html ------------------------------ Message: 3 Date: Wed, 5 Mar 2008 21:39:15 +0100 From: " chlo? cramer " Subject: Re: [aether] Re : good news - Festival Internacional de la Imagen To: "//// collaborative networked performance ////" Message-ID: <3d22b5760803051239y53ea4584idbb8e09ec860e81b at mail.gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Hello,This is very nice indeed. I'd like to participate to this performance and especially take part to the script writing. I was not able to take part to the last discussion but I read the skype of it and it was very interesting! See you soon Chlo? > > Hi everybody, > Last week i send AETHER' project proposal to a Festival in COlombia: > > http://www.festivaldelaimagen.com/home.php > > They are positif about our participation. Now we must see who is able to > participate, to work and be connected. > > We will be part of : Monographic show of media art. > http://www.festivaldelaimagen.com/ampliacion_noticia.php?UID=NOTWW0000025 > > between 15 and 19 april. > > i have not already fixed a date exacte for the performance. > so tell me when i must fix it. > > we must arrange this with Mapping Festival dates. > > and start seriusly thinking of a new script, form, id?e. after last > discussions and ideas that everybody manifested around AETHER performing > way. > > ok > i just be a little away until sunday. but then i will be participating in > all planning for everything. > > good news i think. so let's be prepared to do something around new ideas. > > cheers > > Paula > > > > -----La pi?ce jointe correspondante suit----- > > _______________________________________________ > aether mailing list > aether at [nospam] 1904.cc > http://lists.1904.cc/mailman/listinfo/aether > > > ------------------------------ > D?couvrez les styles qui font sensation sur * Yahoo! Qu?bec Avatars* > > _______________________________________________ > aether mailing list > aether at [nospam] 1904.cc > http://lists.1904.cc/mailman/listinfo/aether > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.1904.cc/pipermail/aether/attachments/20080305/b15fcb57/attachment-0001.html ------------------------------ Message: 4 Date: Wed, 5 Mar 2008 16:06:09 -0800 (PST) From: Judy Nylon Subject: Re: [aether] Re : good news - Festival Internacional de la Imagen To: //// collaborative networked performance //// Message-ID: <639863.53593.qm at web62312.mail.re1.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Yes, Great news Paula! I will start focusing thought on Red Riding Hood. One good thing about there being a lot of us is that, I'm feeling OK to suggest that I will sit back a bit for the Mapping Festival. Of course, anything Biscappen might want me to do about sound from NYC, I would be happy to assist with, but I sense they have it covered. This is fun when Aether can do a lot of things at once by organizing. I would like to hear & see Biscappen; will they work on-set live in Geneva? The Chenney Tesla book was one of my favorites, for the intimacy of his work on a daily level. To the suggestion to unplug electrics during lightning, I add....unplug when you are out of town for a while. I have returned to find things fried one time in Miami after a Hurricane. I am still trying to get the camera I want.........soon. Judy : audrey: : Wed Mar 5 09: 11: 57 at [nospam] yahoo.com, UNEXPECTED_DATA_AFTER_ADDRESS_IN_GROUP at .SYNTAX-ERROR.;;;;;, "::audrey::" wrote: hi, this is great news paula! i reserve the confirmation of my participation until i fix my fried ethernet port problem. 'again?' you say!? well, lightning struck our abode (right above my room!)... and apparently lightning also travels through ethernet wires. so, word to the wise, lightning = unplug all electrical + ethernet cables. to whoever suggested marguerite chenney's book about tesla (i've been reading it) -- i really felt like i was in Tesla's lab as he was conducting experiments with ridiculously high voltages when i heard the unforgettable sound of that lightning striking the house... maybe i should get a cork computer case :) audrey ps so im also only sporadically online... ----- Message initial ---- De : Paula V?lez Bravo ? : //// collaborative networked performance //// Envoy? le : mercredi 5 mars 2008, 14 h 42 min 15 s Objet : Re: [aether] good news - Festival Internacional de la Imagen Hi everybody, Last week i send AETHER' project proposal to a Festival in COlombia: http://www.festivaldelaimagen.com/home.php They are positif about our participation. Now we must see who is able to participate, to work and be connected. We will be part of : Monographic show of media art. http://www.festivaldelaimagen.com/ampliacion_noticia.php?UID=NOTWW0000025 between 15 and 19 april. i have not already fixed a date exacte for the performance. so tell me when i must fix it. we must arrange this with Mapping Festival dates. and start seriusly thinking of a new script, form, id?e. after last discussions and ideas that everybody manifested around AETHER performing way. ok i just be a little away until sunday. but then i will be participating in all planning for everything. good news i think. so let's be prepared to do something around new ideas. cheers Paula -----La pi?ce jointe correspondante suit----- _______________________________________________ aether mailing list aether at [nospam] 1904.cc http://lists.1904.cc/mailman/listinfo/aether --------------------------------- D?couvrez les styles qui font sensation sur Yahoo! 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URL: http://lists.1904.cc/pipermail/aether/attachments/20080306/b33b3a1e/attachment.html From chloecramer at [nospam] gmail.com Thu Mar 6 19:27:26 2008 From: chloecramer at [nospam] gmail.com (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?chlo=E9_cramer?=) Date: Thu, 6 Mar 2008 19:27:26 +0100 Subject: [aether] activities on the planet In-Reply-To: <47CFDADA.9070609 {a+} n3krozoft.com> References: <92752.27705.qm {a+} web50204.mail.re2.yahoo.com> <49C7752D-32F8-44C8-B4C5-5C0EA8850FE8 {a+} une.net.co> <47CFD5B6.5060105 {a+} n3krozoft.com> <47CFDADA.9070609 {a+} n3krozoft.com> Message-ID: <3d22b5760803061027x292b172ck7b5ee478b4491e50 {a+} mail.gmail.com> Very nice!Chlo? On Thu, Mar 6, 2008 at 12:51 PM, bk wrote: > By the way, mysterious actions on the html frame... > http://1904.cc/aether/live/index.html# > B > _______________________________________________ > aether mailing list > aether at [nospam] 1904.cc > http://lists.1904.cc/mailman/listinfo/aether > -- Chlo? Cramer 57 av. des Casernes B-1040 Bruxelles Mobile : +32 (0)472 61 62 01 fixe: +32 (0)2 613 79 25 chloecramer at [nospam] gmail.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.1904.cc/pipermail/aether/attachments/20080306/baea4c67/attachment.html From lauredinateur at [nospam] yahoo.de Thu Mar 6 20:43:08 2008 From: lauredinateur at [nospam] yahoo.de (laure deselys) Date: Thu, 6 Mar 2008 20:43:08 +0100 (CET) Subject: [aether] activities on the planet In-Reply-To: <3d22b5760803061027x292b172ck7b5ee478b4491e50 {a+} mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <69861.51661.qm {a+} web26705.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> hey hey hey Actually my little ninjas made of wax and nylon are having great fun on the aether platform. The other day, i told Boris i wanted to make little animations with those and he answered me : why don't you try on aether ? And that was a good idea! At the beginning i was more for a little script and Boris for some kind of abstract ballet but we ended up in illustrating action verbs. We're still playing on it tonight... Tomorrow i will show it simply on a computer among other things for the opening doors of my school. I'm thinking also of making advertisement for the public interface by scattering little pieces of paper with the http://1904.cc/aether/ on. not sure i will do that though... - Yes chris i also found some bigger center frame today and it was surprisingly with safari -Favela- some kind of urban installation that would be visible 24 hours a day for a week or so somewhere in liverpool would be something great to organise. I like the idea of some kind of long term scenario which would be thought to unfurl itself for several days. more soon laure chlo? cramer schrieb: Very nice!Chlo? On Thu, Mar 6, 2008 at 12:51 PM, bk wrote: By the way, mysterious actions on the html frame... http://1904.cc/aether/live/index.html# B _______________________________________________ aether mailing list aether at [nospam] 1904.cc http://lists.1904.cc/mailman/listinfo/aether -- Chlo? Cramer 57 av. des Casernes B-1040 Bruxelles Mobile : +32 (0)472 61 62 01 fixe: +32 (0)2 613 79 25 chloecramer at [nospam] gmail.com _______________________________________________ aether mailing list aether at [nospam] 1904.cc http://lists.1904.cc/mailman/listinfo/aether --------------------------------- Beginnen Sie den Tag mit den neuesten Nachrichten. Machen Sie Yahoo! zu Ihrer Startseite! -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.1904.cc/pipermail/aether/attachments/20080306/4948c496/attachment.html From 1.1 [*] 1904.cc Fri Mar 7 16:04:16 2008 From: 1.1 [*] 1904.cc (1.1.1904) Date: Fri, 7 Mar 2008 16:04:16 +0100 Subject: [aether] new max/msp patch Message-ID: hi group, a short message to inform you that a new performance patch is available: http://www.1904.cc/~aether/kode/max_image_upload/ i finally added some functions i was planning since a long time, most importantly an "archiving" function: as soon as you start uploading images, the patch will automatically store an image, ca. once per minute, on a specific server location (for now it's http://www.cave12.org/~aether/archive/ ) this will allow us to have an image data-bank of our performances, which will be ready for many interesting uses. also, i updated the server list (i got another free account on a fast institutional server in geneva, immediat.ch..) ... and i think it's time now to implement some "security features" regarding the FTP account passwords.. let's act already like there would be ten tousands of followers reading this list ;) so from now on, the patch is still freely downloadable, but the text file containing the server list will be encrypted (for now in 2 formats, ".rar" and ".z7", tell me what works for you on your different systems) software allowing to decrypt that format is freely available, you will find info here: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/7z i will send the password individually to the performers who request it. like this, anybody outside our group who would like to use the patch can use it, but will need to use his own servers. some comments / news regarding the upcoming performances will follow soon. thanks paula for the great promotional / organizational work ! best, manuel From knickerbockerjuju at [nospam] yahoo.com Fri Mar 7 16:22:29 2008 From: knickerbockerjuju at [nospam] yahoo.com (Judy Nylon) Date: Fri, 7 Mar 2008 07:22:29 -0800 (PST) Subject: [aether] activities on the planet In-Reply-To: <69861.51661.qm {a+} web26705.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <627976.6733.qm {a+} web62311.mail.re1.yahoo.com> Yes, very interesting, good to know that they are wax and nylon. ****Excellent to note that we have not used 'tabletop' and played with scale yet in aether. I have a large dollhouse here that I have made which I was mentally toying with as a room scale shift possibility....a surealist dollhouse. Judy laure deselys wrote: hey hey hey Actually my little ninjas made of wax and nylon are having great fun on the aether platform. The other day, i told Boris i wanted to make little animations with those and he answered me : why don't you try on aether ? And that was a good idea! At the beginning i was more for a little script and Boris for some kind of abstract ballet but we ended up in illustrating action verbs. We're still playing on it tonight... Tomorrow i will show it simply on a computer among other things for the opening doors of my school. I'm thinking also of making advertisement for the public interface by scattering little pieces of paper with the http://1904.cc/aether/ on. not sure i will do that though... - Yes chris i also found some bigger center frame today and it was surprisingly with safari -Favela- some kind of urban installation that would be visible 24 hours a day for a week or so somewhere in liverpool would be something great to organise. I like the idea of some kind of long term scenario which would be thought to unfurl itself for several days. more soon laure chlo? cramer schrieb: Very nice!Chlo? On Thu, Mar 6, 2008 at 12:51 PM, bk wrote: By the way, mysterious actions on the html frame... http://1904.cc/aether/live/index.html# B _______________________________________________ aether mailing list aether at [nospam] 1904.cc http://lists.1904.cc/mailman/listinfo/aether -- Chlo? 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URL: http://lists.1904.cc/pipermail/aether/attachments/20080310/ecbccdae/attachment.html From ideacritik at [nospam] yahoo.ca Tue Mar 11 14:10:17 2008 From: ideacritik at [nospam] yahoo.ca (::audrey::) Date: Tue, 11 Mar 2008 06:10:17 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [aether] archives Message-ID: <46126.42105.qm {a+} web50211.mail.re2.yahoo.com> reading 'la plissure du texte' ascott (1983) -- renewed desire/interest in publishing aether communications :: http://telematic.walkerart.org/timeline/timeline_ascott.html ps i'm back online - if your mac ethernet port is fried (by lightning for example) - and the mac people tell you external ethernet/pc cards are no longer manufactured and you have to buy a new fangled machine since repairing the motherboard is _as_ expensive - **don't believe them** ... new USB-ethernet adapter made for the new 'mac air' + open source driver will do the trick fine and dandy - even on an old powerbook :) (30EUR instead of 1500... not bad). Devenez un meilleur amigo gr?ce ? Yahoo! Courriel http://cf.promos.yahoo.com/courriel/visiteguidee2/ -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.1904.cc/pipermail/aether/attachments/20080311/d846da29/attachment.html From knickerbockerjuju at [nospam] yahoo.com Wed Mar 12 22:12:41 2008 From: knickerbockerjuju at [nospam] yahoo.com (Judy Nylon) Date: Wed, 12 Mar 2008 14:12:41 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [aether] radion ballet-posted scripts for Aether-outside projection? In-Reply-To: <394300.45325.qm {a+} web50208.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <576227.50951.qm {a+} web62314.mail.re1.yahoo.com> Thanks Audrey, I went a few layers into reading about the ballet and public intervention. Early days but very interesting stuff I agree completely that the notion of public protest needs re-examination. There are continually headlines here asking if the avant garde is dead. The indicator that something is 'avant garde' has always seemed to be 'that it is critical'. If this is so, then until there is some more developed clearly critical POV, there is nothing avant garde in contemporary actions like flash mobs or radio directed non-centralized action using new tech. Just thinking out loud. I have also agreed to stand up and give a bit of an explaination of what we are doing in Aether at the end of the month here in NYC. In sifting through past presentations, I thought that clarity might be better served if we had a paragraph or two written about the objective/scripting of each piece on the performance interface page of the site. That same write-up might be locally provided as a handout. Experience has proven that more people see/get it when they are told what they see. Someone mentioned or questioned what we should do when the organization that hosts us has no money to pay us. Since summer is coming, I propose that we request that our performance be projected on the outside of their building. That way we can have the value of a public facing performance to a larger audience even if we are not being paid. Must run....am off to see Bjork's new 3D video tonight (image attached). Hope I don't expect too much. Judy : audrey: : Mon Mar 10 17: 13: 12 at [nospam] yahoo.com, UNEXPECTED_DATA_AFTER_ADDRESS_IN_GROUP at .SYNTAX-ERROR.;;;;;, "::audrey::" wrote: performance being 'directed' by commands via radio - public intervention - radio ballet --- : http://transition.turbulence.org/blog/2008/03/10/miraculous-mass-communication-radioballet/ --------------------------------- Offrez un compte Flickr Pro ??? vos amis et ??? votre famille. Allez-y!_______________________________________________ aether mailing list aether at [nospam] 1904.cc http://lists.1904.cc/mailman/listinfo/aether --------------------------------- Looking for last minute shopping deals? 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I believe now that it would be better to do twice the same script for the 2 april performances. --- It is a first draft sort of inspired by the LRRH tale, an essay from Lev Manovich, sites like livejasmin.com and elements of our previous discussions. I also had a meeting with Chlo? in a brussels bar yesterday night where we discussed this. This requires 5 live performers. I guess that it would last about 40 minutes. LAYERS > remember the first script, i think we all liked the 3 layers: Gods / Stratosphere / underworld. I think we mostly liked it and in this proposal, there are also layers. But not so rigid: at times the fixed clear structure is broken when the performers decide to upload their images to another frame. There would be set moments for this principle, it would be chaotic (like an unpredictable frame battle - easy to do for the max-patch users, i don't know for performers who use another upload system) (check Lev Manovich essay "Interaction as an Aesthetic Event" (2007), found the other day on manovich.net, a short must read that i attach it to this mail. Key quote: "Command-line interfaces "deliver the goods", that is, they focus on pure functionality and utility. GUI (Graphic User Interface) adds "service" to interfaces (like mac OS9). And at next stage, interfaces become "experiences" (like mac OSX) " (it helped me to imagine the 3 layers as: "goods / services / experiences" but i don't think we should remember this for a performance script really). TOP LAYER (frames 1,2,3) - experiences the Little Red Riding Hood > must attract all 5 senses. > Shows 1 girl doing the webcam thing (check www.livejasmin.com to get the idea...) - her body is spread out on 3 frames, in the illogical horizontally way (assuming the girl is sitting and not laying on a matress for example, but she could switch positions of course): frame 1: head and shoulders frame 2: chest to tights frame 3: legs (This requires 3 cameras and 3 computers!) > Differently colored frames (Godard's "Contempt" / "Le m?pris" style lol) > The girl is "typographed": lighten by a video-beamer (projector) if available: light, images and texts (screen surface would be the skin, the clothes and the wall in the background). Magical transparency etc. > The girl would wear red cape at times. > Live stream would be the sound environnement (spoken interactions between girls, with the technical assistant(s) and sounds from their surroundings). > A different girl could appear at times (i mean that they could switch, on location of the shooting: people on livesjasmin.com often operate from studios where different people work) > nb: I talked with Chlo? who is enthusiastic for doing this part! And in bruxelles it would be totally feasible without big organisation fuzz to have 3 cameras and 3 computers for the 3 part upload. So we can assume that brussels could do this sort of complicate part :-) MIDDLE LAYER (frames 4,5,6) - services > The Hunter, The Wolf, and other persons/things (grandmother? Dolls? Objects? central frame 5 could be a webcam highway all the time?) / could be the people through wich the tale is carried and transmitted / could be the people looking at the kind of peepshow / the forest / the house > The Wolf: a person could be disguised in wolf, wild and chaotic. Undecipherable. Basic instincts. > The Hunter: could be disguised with mustache, hat with feather, riffle. Could spend a lot of time cleaning his gun. LOWER LAYER (frames 7,8,9) - goods The transmission operator (frame 8) + 2 text frames (frames 7 + 9) > The Operator frame is played at the Mapping festival. He is in front of an old-fashionned greyish computer screen.He is the person managing the live Skype chat (that should be projected at Mapping). He has a desk with a lot of stuff around, like a police inspector (i am thinking of the police office at the end of "The Usual Suspects: crowded with pictures, notes, etc - here all these documents would relate to the LRRH case of course). > black and white image only. > The Operator becomes mad when the frames change of place, when it is chaotic. Hence he would appear as a puppet-master whose puppets aren't obedient. Also as the manager of the webcam girl. I imagine he would have a eastern-mafia feel. > He gives orders at time to the girl of top layer (with text). NARRATIVE So far i've described mostly stuctural elements. But i feel we need actions. Like sketches. Series of little interactions (like in the last performance when there's the "murder with the typingmachine" betwwen 2 frames). What will be doing :-) ? This needs a lot of development. Here are a couple ideas: > When the Wolf catches the LRRH (by going up a ladder and exiting his frame by the top? bof...) , a curtain could come down on the LRRH (like when they do a private show in web-peepshows - well of course the morale of the the LRRH story can be read as: the LRRH shall have a lover (the wolf) before marriage (with the hunter)... > END: for the grand finale, i imagine with pleasure a big showdown (after a tense preparation time, like in westerns), with everybody shooting against everybody, and constantly changing of frames, so it would be a shooting chaotic ballet (before everybody going back to it's or?ginal frame for the salutes - where the assistants also come in the image to salute). > There should be a moment of eating alltogether. > Text: in 1 text frame, the text could be a chat session between the LRRH, the hunter and the Wolf. They could be rambling over their great memories of they recall from their story, and the operator could be there as well (live on the skype-chat and somebody remote would take care to upload the logs into the text frame or we could write this chat session in advance and somebody would upload it as well.) (n3krozoft did a performance with images of a chatter and the chat: http://www.n3krozoft.com/projects/art/lol/index.html# In the other text frame, something totally different could be going on. > I guess that to emphasize the actual LRRH tale, we could upload images from books / illustrations / drawings / dolls / films / comics etc. on the theme - or not on the theme actually :-) > SOUND: i imagine BliscappenVonMaria could do "musique descriptive", i mean develop expressionistic themes around the themes of the LRRH. //////// I believe this structure is an invitation to a lot of playfullness and inventions. For instance the roles between the LRRH and the Wolf(es) can be inverted at some point. The LRRH could turn into a big eater, in a very disgusting way (dirty or jung food only, and alcohol) - well just a random thought. Please don't hesitate to tell clearly your critics. If negative, please propose other concrete directions. Or if you wish to bring it to an all other level or direction, let's share ideas! /////// PARTICIPANTS & DATES: Confirmed for Festival de la Imagen (but we still need a date): > Boris (i'm available at almost any time this week) > Paula Confirmed for Mapping (19th April, we don't know at what time yet): > Boris + Manu team > Chris > Chlo? > Bliscappen music band ////////// See you soon, Boris -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: TATE_lecture.doc Type: application/msword Size: 52736 bytes Desc: not available Url : http://lists.1904.cc/pipermail/aether/attachments/20080315/95dd6e10/attachment.doc From bk at [nospam] n3krozoft.com Sat Mar 15 18:07:01 2008 From: bk at [nospam] n3krozoft.com (bk) Date: Sat, 15 Mar 2008 18:07:01 +0100 Subject: [aether] test In-Reply-To: <576227.50951.qm {a+} web62314.mail.re1.yahoo.com> References: <576227.50951.qm {a+} web62314.mail.re1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <47DC0235.2010609 {a+} n3krozoft.com> test From 1.1 [*] 1904.cc Mon Mar 17 01:30:46 2008 From: 1.1 [*] 1904.cc (1.1.1904) Date: Mon, 17 Mar 2008 01:30:46 +0100 Subject: [aether] news from gva In-Reply-To: <47DC006C.2010407 {a+} n3krozoft.com> References: <47DC006C.2010407 {a+} n3krozoft.com> Message-ID: hi again, some more news: i had some talk with the music group, Bliscappen van Maria, and we fixed some dates for rehearsals.. this is still semi-abstract since it's not clear yet who of our Aether group participates /plays which role / which frame... but those are roughly the dates - if too ealry for international times, we can maybe shift the time a little bit: 1) Saturday, March 22nd - 17h00 2) Sunday, March 30th - 15h00 3) Saturday, April 5th - 15h00 4) Monday, April 14th - 17h00 (pre-General Rehearsal?) regarding the content of the performance, i was thinking lately that i would like to integrate much more the use of the remote webcams.. if you download the last version of the max/jitter patch (v.125), at http://1904.cc/~aether/kode/max_image_upload/ you will notice that i expanded the number of listed webcams, now also the "trafficland" highwaycam-network can be accessed as image source. but we have to think still how those webcams can interact, with the other frames/performers, and with the band.. for more infos about how to find / add your own webcams to the list, see: http://1904.cc/~aether/kode/better_than_TV/README.txt i think with those webcams, we could try to create a more "ambient" kind of theatrality - so i could imagine very well, inbetween the specified "actions" of the script, to have certain moments of "pure webcam", where for a few minutes webcam imagery (from anonymous online webcams) is displayed (and can be manipulated by us, through the colour, contrast, etc effects of the patch). a sort of koyanisqaatsi-effect... regarding the little riding hood theme, i would certainly avoid to adress it in a too litteral / illustrative way. i mean, we can use this as a narrative sub-structure, but i don't like too much the idea of having a caricatural wolf and hunter... the wolf for instance could be a caracter/actor impersonating pulsions of violence / agression, it think for example about a certain actor in the french movie "Sombre" (playing a serial killer).. or like the giant wolf in the famous novel "The Neverending Story" (at some moment he explains to the hero that in the fantasy world, he appears in the shape of a wolf, but in other worlds he would have other shapes, such as a businessman..). i think anyway it is better if the audience is not informed that the performance is "based on" the fairytale, as this would bring up too many clich?s (and i think it will not appeal too much to the expected audience). i like a lot the concept of the "Great Operator", i think this will be at the same time funny, very appropriate in the context, and function as a sort of link between the other frames. one aspect not present in boris' proposal is the appearance of the musicians in the frames - they could be filmed live in close-up by one video operator, occupying one of the frames. another question is how to prepare the showdown in such a way that it "makes sense".. so there should be some hints, "western theme elements" appearing through the performance. some physical elements could also be present on stage... as a sidenote, i recently saw the band playing a lavish soundtrack to a projection of Jodorovskis psychedelic western "El Topo". some other "technical" updates: i'm working on a new version of the main /aether website, you can have a sneak peak here: http://1904.cc/aether/index_V2b.html comments and corrections are welcome... some points that need to be talked about: how do we license our stuff? do we go CreativeCommons/attribution/non-commercial? do we write our own license? and one more improvement: i wrote a php script which makes it possible to change/update on the fly the text written under each frame of the interface: http://1904.cc/aether/live/legends/aether_legends.html but you need to reload the interface to make the change visible. here is a page where i try to keep track of all those special "interfaces" that were created: http://1904.cc/aether/live/special_pages.html you can add it to your bookmarks, and it can be directly accessed from the last version of the patch best, manuel From bk at [nospam] n3krozoft.com Mon Mar 17 12:24:30 2008 From: bk at [nospam] n3krozoft.com (bk) Date: Mon, 17 Mar 2008 12:24:30 +0100 Subject: [aether] ballet post-MySQL In-Reply-To: <576227.50951.qm {a+} web62314.mail.re1.yahoo.com> References: <576227.50951.qm {a+} web62314.mail.re1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <47DE54EE.5040400 {a+} n3krozoft.com> Thanks Manu for all the work! The new beta aether9 webpage looks very slick. A good thing, following Judy's last suggestion for her presentation at the end of the month, would be to have a very short text about the objective/scripting of each piece so far. I'll work on this. For upcoming april performances, the rehearsals dates look fine to me. Do we have a date for the colombian performance? > I also agree with Manu that to stick to closely to the cliche imagery of LRRH would be a little previsible. But it's a good reflection basis nevertheless. Wolf as business man and Hunter as a capped rambo teenager sounds good to me for example. > musicians in the frames: right, i simply forgot this obviously desirable possibility. > western: yeah a slow hinted evolution of the performance from a more happy state towards a chaotic showdown sounds good to me. > webcams: definitely makes sens to use them more. a +, Boris From ciruela at [nospam] une.net.co Mon Mar 17 16:43:57 2008 From: ciruela at [nospam] une.net.co (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?Paula_V=E9lez_Bravo?=) Date: Mon, 17 Mar 2008 10:43:57 -0500 Subject: [aether] festival IdI In-Reply-To: <47DC006C.2010407 {a+} n3krozoft.com> References: <47DC006C.2010407 {a+} n3krozoft.com> Message-ID: Aethernautes! je vais partir une semaine, sans internet. Everything is ok with FESTIVAL DE LA IMAGEN. Very soon we will have the date confirmed. I'm planning to do something like a workshop about aether too. explaining how everything works, eather evolution with the project,... just planning this things. I have already talk with Alejo Duque about it... you can ask him if you want since i'm not here. I will be back the 25 of mars, next week, tuesday. Then we can plan things for AETHER performance in Manizalez, I will take my laptop to analise last aether post and script , to write some ideas too. I confirm my participation to MApPING FESTIVAL too. I wrote to festival director to ask him write a mail as soon he can to some of the aethernauts telling you about dates. You can ask him what ever you want , but to do not create a mess in comunication, just let me arrive next week to be responsable of all logistic stuff and direct comunication with organisers. they know this already, so no problem. ;) i will be working this week in Labo-RIncon del mar project. see you soon in the aether. Paula From knickerbockerjuju at [nospam] yahoo.com Mon Mar 17 19:23:00 2008 From: knickerbockerjuju at [nospam] yahoo.com (Judy Nylon) Date: Mon, 17 Mar 2008 11:23:00 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [aether] new script proposal In-Reply-To: <47DC006C.2010407 {a+} n3krozoft.com> Message-ID: <39681.51534.qm {a+} web62312.mail.re1.yahoo.com> This is exciting.....I must still call around for a camera; I still have nothing but my Mac built-in...but I have built a doll house (thinking about Duchamp's valise) in which, with surreal sized objets relating to the Red Riding Hood story, I can build the emotive current of the story with signifiers. I am attaching jpgs. The dollhouse has six rooms and I can access the objets (barely) sticking my hands (with long stick on red fingernails) through the windows on the front. I hope you all like this; I think the smaller (rooms) boxes within on of the larger Aether boxes will give an odd scale/depth sensation that will relate to the body spread across three frames. The tits in the picture are tension toys for executives (weird to touch/squeeze). The test of the new Aether page looks good. I think doing the same performance twice is a good move. i will look at the references below. and also check about the web cams ....And if we think this dollhouse idea will work to show the elements of the myth in an emotional/ mental landscape , I will continue to collect ephemeria related to the story. I have watched an artist Laurie Simmons use cutouts from magazines propped up like paperdolls & moved in these scenerios....it is very dream-like. And yes, I am glad to have anything to help my half hour lecture on Aether. The doll house is out in my own dollhouse sized apartment where I can see it and think...so feed back would be good. Also, are we sticking to having a single source for sound or not? Great script start..... Judy bk wrote: Hi all, I throw a script idea here. Still needs lots of input fortunately. I believe now that it would be better to do twice the same script for the 2 april performances. --- It is a first draft sort of inspired by the LRRH tale, an essay from Lev Manovich, sites like livejasmin.com and elements of our previous discussions. I also had a meeting with Chlo? in a brussels bar yesterday night where we discussed this. This requires 5 live performers. I guess that it would last about 40 minutes. LAYERS > remember the first script, i think we all liked the 3 layers: Gods / Stratosphere / underworld. I think we mostly liked it and in this proposal, there are also layers. But not so rigid: at times the fixed clear structure is broken when the performers decide to upload their images to another frame. There would be set moments for this principle, it would be chaotic (like an unpredictable frame battle - easy to do for the max-patch users, i don't know for performers who use another upload system) (check Lev Manovich essay "Interaction as an Aesthetic Event" (2007), found the other day on manovich.net, a short must read that i attach it to this mail. Key quote: "Command-line interfaces "deliver the goods", that is, they focus on pure functionality and utility. GUI (Graphic User Interface) adds "service" to interfaces (like mac OS9). And at next stage, interfaces become "experiences" (like mac OSX) " (it helped me to imagine the 3 layers as: "goods / services / experiences" but i don't think we should remember this for a performance script really). TOP LAYER (frames 1,2,3) - experiences the Little Red Riding Hood > must attract all 5 senses. > Shows 1 girl doing the webcam thing (check www.livejasmin.com to get the idea...) - her body is spread out on 3 frames, in the illogical horizontally way (assuming the girl is sitting and not laying on a matress for example, but she could switch positions of course): frame 1: head and shoulders frame 2: chest to tights frame 3: legs (This requires 3 cameras and 3 computers!) > Differently colored frames (Godard's "Contempt" / "Le m?pris" style lol) > The girl is "typographed": lighten by a video-beamer (projector) if available: light, images and texts (screen surface would be the skin, the clothes and the wall in the background). Magical transparency etc. > The girl would wear red cape at times. > Live stream would be the sound environnement (spoken interactions between girls, with the technical assistant(s) and sounds from their surroundings). > A different girl could appear at times (i mean that they could switch, on location of the shooting: people on livesjasmin.com often operate from studios where different people work) > nb: I talked with Chlo? who is enthusiastic for doing this part! And in bruxelles it would be totally feasible without big organisation fuzz to have 3 cameras and 3 computers for the 3 part upload. So we can assume that brussels could do this sort of complicate part :-) MIDDLE LAYER (frames 4,5,6) - services > The Hunter, The Wolf, and other persons/things (grandmother? Dolls? Objects? central frame 5 could be a webcam highway all the time?) / could be the people through wich the tale is carried and transmitted / could be the people looking at the kind of peepshow / the forest / the house > The Wolf: a person could be disguised in wolf, wild and chaotic. Undecipherable. Basic instincts. > The Hunter: could be disguised with mustache, hat with feather, riffle. Could spend a lot of time cleaning his gun. LOWER LAYER (frames 7,8,9) - goods The transmission operator (frame 8) + 2 text frames (frames 7 + 9) > The Operator frame is played at the Mapping festival. He is in front of an old-fashionned greyish computer screen.He is the person managing the live Skype chat (that should be projected at Mapping). He has a desk with a lot of stuff around, like a police inspector (i am thinking of the police office at the end of "The Usual Suspects: crowded with pictures, notes, etc - here all these documents would relate to the LRRH case of course). > black and white image only. > The Operator becomes mad when the frames change of place, when it is chaotic. Hence he would appear as a puppet-master whose puppets aren't obedient. Also as the manager of the webcam girl. I imagine he would have a eastern-mafia feel. > He gives orders at time to the girl of top layer (with text). NARRATIVE So far i've described mostly stuctural elements. But i feel we need actions. Like sketches. Series of little interactions (like in the last performance when there's the "murder with the typingmachine" betwwen 2 frames). What will be doing :-) ? This needs a lot of development. Here are a couple ideas: > When the Wolf catches the LRRH (by going up a ladder and exiting his frame by the top? bof...) , a curtain could come down on the LRRH (like when they do a private show in web-peepshows - well of course the morale of the the LRRH story can be read as: the LRRH shall have a lover (the wolf) before marriage (with the hunter)... > END: for the grand finale, i imagine with pleasure a big showdown (after a tense preparation time, like in westerns), with everybody shooting against everybody, and constantly changing of frames, so it would be a shooting chaotic ballet (before everybody going back to it's or?ginal frame for the salutes - where the assistants also come in the image to salute). > There should be a moment of eating alltogether. > Text: in 1 text frame, the text could be a chat session between the LRRH, the hunter and the Wolf. They could be rambling over their great memories of they recall from their story, and the operator could be there as well (live on the skype-chat and somebody remote would take care to upload the logs into the text frame or we could write this chat session in advance and somebody would upload it as well.) (n3krozoft did a performance with images of a chatter and the chat: http://www.n3krozoft.com/projects/art/lol/index.html# In the other text frame, something totally different could be going on. > I guess that to emphasize the actual LRRH tale, we could upload images from books / illustrations / drawings / dolls / films / comics etc. on the theme - or not on the theme actually :-) > SOUND: i imagine BliscappenVonMaria could do "musique descriptive", i mean develop expressionistic themes around the themes of the LRRH. //////// I believe this structure is an invitation to a lot of playfullness and inventions. For instance the roles between the LRRH and the Wolf(es) can be inverted at some point. The LRRH could turn into a big eater, in a very disgusting way (dirty or jung food only, and alcohol) - well just a random thought. Please don't hesitate to tell clearly your critics. If negative, please propose other concrete directions. Or if you wish to bring it to an all other level or direction, let's share ideas! /////// PARTICIPANTS & DATES: Confirmed for Festival de la Imagen (but we still need a date): > Boris (i'm available at almost any time this week) > Paula Confirmed for Mapping (19th April, we don't know at what time yet): > Boris + Manu team > Chris > Chlo? > Bliscappen music band ////////// See you soon, Boris _______________________________________________ aether mailing list aether at [nospam] 1904.cc http://lists.1904.cc/mailman/listinfo/aether --------------------------------- Never miss a thing. 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It gets plenty of international participation and attention see the link below). aether9 is already listed: http://www.festivaldelaimagen.com/ they propose friday the 18th of april, in the colombian afternoon, that means ~ -7 hours to CET, which means a performance under the sign of a bootle of wine or some beers. please confirm if this date is ok for you. abt, /a On Mon, Mar 17, 2008 at 4:43 PM, Paula V?lez Bravo wrote: > Aethernautes! > > je vais partir une semaine, sans internet. > Everything is ok with FESTIVAL DE LA IMAGEN. > Very soon we will have the date confirmed. > I'm planning to do something like a workshop about aether too. > explaining how everything works, eather evolution with the > project,... just planning this things. I have already talk with Alejo > Duque about it... you can ask him if you want since i'm not here. > > I will be back the 25 of mars, next week, tuesday. Then we can plan > things for AETHER performance in Manizalez, > I will take my laptop to analise last aether post and script , to > write some ideas too. > > I confirm my participation to MApPING FESTIVAL too. > > I wrote to festival director to ask him write a mail as soon he can > to some of the aethernauts telling you about dates. > You can ask him what ever you want , but to do not create a mess in > comunication, just let me arrive next week to be responsable of all > logistic stuff and direct comunication with organisers. > > they know this already, so no problem. ;) > > i will be working this week in Labo-RIncon del mar project. > > see you soon in the aether. > > Paula > _______________________________________________ > aether mailing list > aether at [nospam] 1904.cc > http://lists.1904.cc/mailman/listinfo/aether > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.1904.cc/pipermail/aether/attachments/20080318/4ef47857/attachment.html From 1.1 [*] 1904.cc Tue Mar 18 12:21:29 2008 From: 1.1 [*] 1904.cc (1.1.1904) Date: Tue, 18 Mar 2008 12:21:29 +0100 Subject: [aether] festival IdI In-Reply-To: References: <47DC006C.2010407 {a+} n3krozoft.com> Message-ID: thanks for the news alejo! will you be there on place? friday 18th april is ok for me. to the active aethernauts : i remind you that with the newest version of the max patch, the serverlist is encrypted -- so in order to upload to the interface, you need to get the password from me or boris or laure (don't post it to this list, since the list is public and unprotected). i also announce a change for the first rehearsal with Bliscappen, it will be coming Friday (21st), not Saturday, ca. between 18h00 and 20h00 Geneva time (CET) - i'm not very sure how it will work as we don't have a rehearsal place with internet connection yet. perhaps i will simply show them more examples of our work and update them on our plans.. it would be great to have an online meeting one of those next days! who is available, wednesday or thursday? best, manuel PS: looking at Festival De La Imagen's webpage, i'm thinking once more that our project name needs a more consistent policy - "aether9" is appearently difficult to maintain (we also observed in Brussels that everybody refers to it simply as "aether"...). It would also good to have a strong brand name that would differentiate us from similarly named projects , such as: the AEther consortium: http://www.aether-ist.org/scripts/home/publigen/content/templates/show.asp?P=112&L=EN "?THER's main objective is to study novel self-adaptive computing technologies for future embedded and pervasive applications. " Aether Systems, now Aether Holdings Inc. ("once Baltimore's hottest dot com company") http://www.aethersystems.com/ Aether Media Group (Dubai, United Arab Emirates) http://www.aethermedia.com/ linked with http://www.aetherfilms.com The Aether Group (homeopathics, kirlian photography, pseudo-science...) http://www.theaethergroup.com/ Aether Design Group (aka Aether Architecture Ltd) http://www.aether.hu/ (also active in media art, therfore the most likely to be confused with us) .... >hola, > >i will like to confirm what many of you know via >an email from the director of Festival De La >Imagen (I participated in the first edition in >1996 or 97, its the one with more tradition and >i believe is the most important venue that >happens in the country. It gets plenty of >international participation and attention see >the link below). > >aether9 is already listed: > >http://www.festivaldelaimagen.com/ > >they propose friday the 18th of april, in the >colombian afternoon, that means ~ -7 hours to >CET, which means a performance under the sign of >a bootle of wine or some beers. > >please confirm if this date is ok for you. > >abt, >/a > From bk at [nospam] n3krozoft.com Tue Mar 18 13:00:46 2008 From: bk at [nospam] n3krozoft.com (bk) Date: Tue, 18 Mar 2008 13:00:46 +0100 Subject: [aether] festival IdI In-Reply-To: References: <47DC006C.2010407 {a+} n3krozoft.com> Message-ID: <47DFAEEE.9000502 {a+} n3krozoft.com> Great news for confirmation at festivaldelaimagen.com/ ! Afternoon in Colombia will be evening in europe then, as Alejo says. So it will be 2 performances on 2 consecutives days (18 and 19th april), at about the same time of the day i guess. Sounds great. Judy your doll-house is very picturesque, very dreamlike. i like the energy of the miniature and yes, continue collecting ephemeria. magasine cutouts, textures, are always a good source. I would really like that you participate visually for once. The question is that you would need to get used to play live with the max-patch - wich is very simple but needs rehearsals of course - and would need a camera for the reheasals. Unless you provide prepared prerecorded visual material, but the live interaction would be lost, wich is not what we want... About the sound-sources, for the saturday geneva performance i imagine that we could have 2 sound sources: the sound of the Bliscappen band (in geneva) + at time (not always?) the sound of the LRRH-girl (in brussels). But i am worried that in brussels it would be complicated to manage simultaneously 3 frames + live sound stream... but i like the idea very much. Also is the Blisacappen band going to make the live sound for the 2 performances? i thing that it would be most logical. Open questions for now. (are the bands members receiving the mails from the mailinglist? do they want to? so far i added their emails to list email...) Laure came back from Turkey and told me that in the middle of last week the youtube website was entirely banned in turkey following the post of a video mocking the turkish army. Don't know if there is a timeline to this censor. I am wondering if our iranians contacts, Amirali and Shervin, are able to access normaly the internet and their email. ? +, B alejo d wrote: > hola, > > i will like to confirm what many of you know via an email from the > director of Festival De La Imagen (I participated in the first edition > in 1996 or 97, its the one with more tradition and i believe is the > most important venue that happens in the country. It gets plenty of > international participation and attention see the link below). > > aether9 is already listed: > > http://www.festivaldelaimagen.com/ > > they propose friday the 18th of april, in the colombian afternoon, > that means ~ -7 hours to CET, which means a performance under the sign > of a bootle of wine or some beers. > > please confirm if this date is ok for you. > > abt, > /a > > On Mon, Mar 17, 2008 at 4:43 PM, Paula V?lez Bravo > wrote: > > Aethernautes! > > je vais partir une semaine, sans internet. > Everything is ok with FESTIVAL DE LA IMAGEN. > Very soon we will have the date confirmed. > I'm planning to do something like a workshop about aether too. > explaining how everything works, eather evolution with the > project,... just planning this things. I have already talk with Alejo > Duque about it... you can ask him if you want since i'm not here. > > I will be back the 25 of mars, next week, tuesday. Then we can plan > things for AETHER performance in Manizalez, > I will take my laptop to analise last aether post and script , to > write some ideas too. > > I confirm my participation to MApPING FESTIVAL too. > > I wrote to festival director to ask him write a mail as soon he can > to some of the aethernauts telling you about dates. > You can ask him what ever you want , but to do not create a mess in > comunication, just let me arrive next week to be responsable of all > logistic stuff and direct comunication with organisers. > > they know this already, so no problem. ;) > > i will be working this week in Labo-RIncon del mar project. > > see you soon in the aether. > > Paula > _______________________________________________ > aether mailing list > aether at [nospam] 1904.cc > http://lists.1904.cc/mailman/listinfo/aether > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > _______________________________________________ > aether mailing list > aether at [nospam] 1904.cc > http://lists.1904.cc/mailman/listinfo/aether > From bk at [nospam] n3krozoft.com Tue Mar 18 13:00:52 2008 From: bk at [nospam] n3krozoft.com (bk) Date: Tue, 18 Mar 2008 13:00:52 +0100 Subject: [aether] festival IdI In-Reply-To: References: <47DC006C.2010407 {a+} n3krozoft.com> Message-ID: <47DFAEF4.8050305 {a+} n3krozoft.com> Great news for confirmation at festivaldelaimagen.com/ ! Afternoon in Colombia will be evening in europe then, as Alejo says. So it will be 2 performances on 2 consecutives days (18 and 19th april), at about the same time of the day i guess. Sounds great. Judy your doll-house is very picturesque, very dreamlike. i like the energy of the miniature and yes, continue collecting ephemeria. magasine cutouts, textures, are always a good source. I would really like that you participate visually for once. The question is that you would need to get used to play live with the max-patch - wich is very simple but needs rehearsals of course - and would need a camera for the reheasals. Unless you provide prepared prerecorded visual material, but the live interaction would be lost, wich is not what we want... About the sound-sources, for the saturday geneva performance i imagine that we could have 2 sound sources: the sound of the Bliscappen band (in geneva) + at time (not always?) the sound of the LRRH-girl (in brussels). But i am worried that in brussels it would be complicated to manage simultaneously 3 frames + live sound stream... but i like the idea very much. Also is the Blisacappen band going to make the live sound for the 2 performances? i thing that it would be most logical. Open questions for now. (are the bands members receiving the mails from the mailinglist? do they want to? so far i added their emails to list email...) Laure came back from Turkey and told me that in the middle of last week the youtube website was entirely banned in turkey following the post of a video mocking the turkish army. Don't know if there is a timeline to this censor. I am wondering if our iranians contacts, Amirali and Shervin, are able to access normaly the internet and their email. ? +, B alejo d wrote: > hola, > > i will like to confirm what many of you know via an email from the > director of Festival De La Imagen (I participated in the first edition > in 1996 or 97, its the one with more tradition and i believe is the > most important venue that happens in the country. It gets plenty of > international participation and attention see the link below). > > aether9 is already listed: > > http://www.festivaldelaimagen.com/ > > they propose friday the 18th of april, in the colombian afternoon, > that means ~ -7 hours to CET, which means a performance under the sign > of a bootle of wine or some beers. > > please confirm if this date is ok for you. > > abt, > /a > > On Mon, Mar 17, 2008 at 4:43 PM, Paula V?lez Bravo > wrote: > > Aethernautes! > > je vais partir une semaine, sans internet. > Everything is ok with FESTIVAL DE LA IMAGEN. > Very soon we will have the date confirmed. > I'm planning to do something like a workshop about aether too. > explaining how everything works, eather evolution with the > project,... just planning this things. I have already talk with Alejo > Duque about it... you can ask him if you want since i'm not here. > > I will be back the 25 of mars, next week, tuesday. Then we can plan > things for AETHER performance in Manizalez, > I will take my laptop to analise last aether post and script , to > write some ideas too. > > I confirm my participation to MApPING FESTIVAL too. > > I wrote to festival director to ask him write a mail as soon he can > to some of the aethernauts telling you about dates. > You can ask him what ever you want , but to do not create a mess in > comunication, just let me arrive next week to be responsable of all > logistic stuff and direct comunication with organisers. > > they know this already, so no problem. ;) > > i will be working this week in Labo-RIncon del mar project. > > see you soon in the aether. > > Paula > _______________________________________________ > aether mailing list > aether at [nospam] 1904.cc > http://lists.1904.cc/mailman/listinfo/aether > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > _______________________________________________ > aether mailing list > aether at [nospam] 1904.cc > http://lists.1904.cc/mailman/listinfo/aether > From bk at [nospam] n3krozoft.com Tue Mar 18 13:41:27 2008 From: bk at [nospam] n3krozoft.com (bk) Date: Tue, 18 Mar 2008 13:41:27 +0100 Subject: [aether] next meetings In-Reply-To: References: <47DC006C.2010407 {a+} n3krozoft.com> Message-ID: <47DFB877.4080101 {a+} n3krozoft.com> > it would be great to have an online meeting one of those next days! > who is available, wednesday or thursday? > i am available on thursday evening. as for the band on friday, yes maybe it's better if you update them on what we did and plan. > PS: looking at Festival De La Imagen's webpage, > i'm thinking once more that our project name > needs a more consistent policy - "aether9" is > appearently difficult to maintain (we also > observed in Brussels that everybody refers to it > simply as "aether"...). It would also good to > have a strong brand name that would differentiate > us from similarly named projects > indeed "aether9" has trouble to impose itself. Maybe because there's never been 9 performers at the same time. i agree that "aether" has too many homonyms. i have no alternative suggestion right now :-( ? +, Boris From knickerbockerjuju at [nospam] yahoo.com Tue Mar 18 18:49:24 2008 From: knickerbockerjuju at [nospam] yahoo.com (Judy Nylon) Date: Tue, 18 Mar 2008 10:49:24 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [aether] festival IdI In-Reply-To: <47DFAEF4.8050305 {a+} n3krozoft.com> Message-ID: <252482.13843.qm {a+} web62304.mail.re1.yahoo.com> Thanks for the encouragement...I will develop the idea. I have sent out feelers to see who's camera I can borrow. I will absolutely plan to do it live & am making myself available for all the rehearsals. I have gone through the links suggested, However, all the local 'traffic webcams' around me are very ugly. I will see if there are any alternatives. Maybe we should select only web cams that look like the have been placed in forests anywhere in the world for this script. Judy bk wrote: Great news for confirmation at festivaldelaimagen.com/ ! Afternoon in Colombia will be evening in europe then, as Alejo says. So it will be 2 performances on 2 consecutives days (18 and 19th april), at about the same time of the day i guess. Sounds great. Judy your doll-house is very picturesque, very dreamlike. i like the energy of the miniature and yes, continue collecting ephemeria. magasine cutouts, textures, are always a good source. I would really like that you participate visually for once. The question is that you would need to get used to play live with the max-patch - wich is very simple but needs rehearsals of course - and would need a camera for the reheasals. Unless you provide prepared prerecorded visual material, but the live interaction would be lost, wich is not what we want... About the sound-sources, for the saturday geneva performance i imagine that we could have 2 sound sources: the sound of the Bliscappen band (in geneva) + at time (not always?) the sound of the LRRH-girl (in brussels). But i am worried that in brussels it would be complicated to manage simultaneously 3 frames + live sound stream... but i like the idea very much. Also is the Blisacappen band going to make the live sound for the 2 performances? i thing that it would be most logical. Open questions for now. (are the bands members receiving the mails from the mailinglist? do they want to? so far i added their emails to list email...) Laure came back from Turkey and told me that in the middle of last week the youtube website was entirely banned in turkey following the post of a video mocking the turkish army. Don't know if there is a timeline to this censor. I am wondering if our iranians contacts, Amirali and Shervin, are able to access normaly the internet and their email. ? +, B alejo d wrote: > hola, > > i will like to confirm what many of you know via an email from the > director of Festival De La Imagen (I participated in the first edition > in 1996 or 97, its the one with more tradition and i believe is the > most important venue that happens in the country. It gets plenty of > international participation and attention see the link below). > > aether9 is already listed: > > http://www.festivaldelaimagen.com/ > > they propose friday the 18th of april, in the colombian afternoon, > that means ~ -7 hours to CET, which means a performance under the sign > of a bootle of wine or some beers. > > please confirm if this date is ok for you. > > abt, > /a > > On Mon, Mar 17, 2008 at 4:43 PM, Paula V?lez Bravo > > wrote: > > Aethernautes! > > je vais partir une semaine, sans internet. > Everything is ok with FESTIVAL DE LA IMAGEN. > Very soon we will have the date confirmed. > I'm planning to do something like a workshop about aether too. > explaining how everything works, eather evolution with the > project,... just planning this things. I have already talk with Alejo > Duque about it... you can ask him if you want since i'm not here. > > I will be back the 25 of mars, next week, tuesday. Then we can plan > things for AETHER performance in Manizalez, > I will take my laptop to analise last aether post and script , to > write some ideas too. > > I confirm my participation to MApPING FESTIVAL too. > > I wrote to festival director to ask him write a mail as soon he can > to some of the aethernauts telling you about dates. > You can ask him what ever you want , but to do not create a mess in > comunication, just let me arrive next week to be responsable of all > logistic stuff and direct comunication with organisers. > > they know this already, so no problem. ;) > > i will be working this week in Labo-RIncon del mar project. > > see you soon in the aether. > > Paula > _______________________________________________ > aether mailing list > aether at [nospam] 1904.cc > http://lists.1904.cc/mailman/listinfo/aether > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > _______________________________________________ > aether mailing list > aether at [nospam] 1904.cc > http://lists.1904.cc/mailman/listinfo/aether > _______________________________________________ aether mailing list aether at [nospam] 1904.cc http://lists.1904.cc/mailman/listinfo/aether --------------------------------- Be a better friend, newshound, and know-it-all with Yahoo! Mobile. Try it now. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.1904.cc/pipermail/aether/attachments/20080318/7287e7fa/attachment.html From lauredinateur at [nospam] yahoo.de Wed Mar 19 13:03:53 2008 From: lauredinateur at [nospam] yahoo.de (laure deselys) Date: Wed, 19 Mar 2008 13:03:53 +0100 (CET) Subject: [aether] new script proposal In-Reply-To: <47DC006C.2010407 {a+} n3krozoft.com> Message-ID: <60933.65161.qm {a+} web26708.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> hello everybody the script proposal sounds good to me. I like the idea that for once we re concretely talking about seduction through the screen After all, LRRH wasnt at first a tale written for kids but for adults. It would be very nice if Bliscappen could improvise on our way to tell the tale Just on thing that i think we should be carefull with, is the use of the text. Choice between text in txt boxes? txt in frames, projection on skype must be well done. Each of these ways of making appear text has its own meaning from my point of view and i think we should be still aware of the fact, that a spectator is absolutely not logged on the same "system preferences" then we are as users. (i mean in feel of visual narration; time-attention etc...) I can assist Chlo? if we re keeping fr1,2,3 for Brussels and here are my availibilities for rehearsals / laure 1) Saturday, March 22nd - 17h00 /until 19H30 2) Sunday, March 30th - 15h00-/ not sure_ what about saturday 29th ? 3) Saturday, April 5th - 15h00 / OK 4) Monday, April 14th - 17h00 / OK P.S: the proposal made to the curatrice Anne Ponteignie with GHost trio project was declined with no further commentary. see u all soon laure bk schrieb: Hi all, I throw a script idea here. Still needs lots of input fortunately. I believe now that it would be better to do twice the same script for the 2 april performances. --- It is a first draft sort of inspired by the LRRH tale, an essay from Lev Manovich, sites like livejasmin.com and elements of our previous discussions. I also had a meeting with Chlo? in a brussels bar yesterday night where we discussed this. This requires 5 live performers. I guess that it would last about 40 minutes. LAYERS > remember the first script, i think we all liked the 3 layers: Gods / Stratosphere / underworld. I think we mostly liked it and in this proposal, there are also layers. But not so rigid: at times the fixed clear structure is broken when the performers decide to upload their images to another frame. There would be set moments for this principle, it would be chaotic (like an unpredictable frame battle - easy to do for the max-patch users, i don't know for performers who use another upload system) (check Lev Manovich essay "Interaction as an Aesthetic Event" (2007), found the other day on manovich.net, a short must read that i attach it to this mail. Key quote: "Command-line interfaces "deliver the goods", that is, they focus on pure functionality and utility. GUI (Graphic User Interface) adds "service" to interfaces (like mac OS9). And at next stage, interfaces become "experiences" (like mac OSX) " (it helped me to imagine the 3 layers as: "goods / services / experiences" but i don't think we should remember this for a performance script really). TOP LAYER (frames 1,2,3) - experiences the Little Red Riding Hood > must attract all 5 senses. > Shows 1 girl doing the webcam thing (check www.livejasmin.com to get the idea...) - her body is spread out on 3 frames, in the illogical horizontally way (assuming the girl is sitting and not laying on a matress for example, but she could switch positions of course): frame 1: head and shoulders frame 2: chest to tights frame 3: legs (This requires 3 cameras and 3 computers!) > Differently colored frames (Godard's "Contempt" / "Le m?pris" style lol) > The girl is "typographed": lighten by a video-beamer (projector) if available: light, images and texts (screen surface would be the skin, the clothes and the wall in the background). Magical transparency etc. > The girl would wear red cape at times. > Live stream would be the sound environnement (spoken interactions between girls, with the technical assistant(s) and sounds from their surroundings). > A different girl could appear at times (i mean that they could switch, on location of the shooting: people on livesjasmin.com often operate from studios where different people work) > nb: I talked with Chlo? who is enthusiastic for doing this part! And in bruxelles it would be totally feasible without big organisation fuzz to have 3 cameras and 3 computers for the 3 part upload. So we can assume that brussels could do this sort of complicate part :-) MIDDLE LAYER (frames 4,5,6) - services > The Hunter, The Wolf, and other persons/things (grandmother? Dolls? Objects? central frame 5 could be a webcam highway all the time?) / could be the people through wich the tale is carried and transmitted / could be the people looking at the kind of peepshow / the forest / the house > The Wolf: a person could be disguised in wolf, wild and chaotic. Undecipherable. Basic instincts. > The Hunter: could be disguised with mustache, hat with feather, riffle. Could spend a lot of time cleaning his gun. LOWER LAYER (frames 7,8,9) - goods The transmission operator (frame 8) + 2 text frames (frames 7 + 9) > The Operator frame is played at the Mapping festival. He is in front of an old-fashionned greyish computer screen.He is the person managing the live Skype chat (that should be projected at Mapping). He has a desk with a lot of stuff around, like a police inspector (i am thinking of the police office at the end of "The Usual Suspects: crowded with pictures, notes, etc - here all these documents would relate to the LRRH case of course). > black and white image only. > The Operator becomes mad when the frames change of place, when it is chaotic. Hence he would appear as a puppet-master whose puppets aren't obedient. Also as the manager of the webcam girl. I imagine he would have a eastern-mafia feel. > He gives orders at time to the girl of top layer (with text). NARRATIVE So far i've described mostly stuctural elements. But i feel we need actions. Like sketches. Series of little interactions (like in the last performance when there's the "murder with the typingmachine" betwwen 2 frames). What will be doing :-) ? This needs a lot of development. Here are a couple ideas: > When the Wolf catches the LRRH (by going up a ladder and exiting his frame by the top? bof...) , a curtain could come down on the LRRH (like when they do a private show in web-peepshows - well of course the morale of the the LRRH story can be read as: the LRRH shall have a lover (the wolf) before marriage (with the hunter)... > END: for the grand finale, i imagine with pleasure a big showdown (after a tense preparation time, like in westerns), with everybody shooting against everybody, and constantly changing of frames, so it would be a shooting chaotic ballet (before everybody going back to it's or?ginal frame for the salutes - where the assistants also come in the image to salute). > There should be a moment of eating alltogether. > Text: in 1 text frame, the text could be a chat session between the LRRH, the hunter and the Wolf. They could be rambling over their great memories of they recall from their story, and the operator could be there as well (live on the skype-chat and somebody remote would take care to upload the logs into the text frame or we could write this chat session in advance and somebody would upload it as well.) (n3krozoft did a performance with images of a chatter and the chat: http://www.n3krozoft.com/projects/art/lol/index.html# In the other text frame, something totally different could be going on. > I guess that to emphasize the actual LRRH tale, we could upload images from books / illustrations / drawings / dolls / films / comics etc. on the theme - or not on the theme actually :-) > SOUND: i imagine BliscappenVonMaria could do "musique descriptive", i mean develop expressionistic themes around the themes of the LRRH. //////// I believe this structure is an invitation to a lot of playfullness and inventions. For instance the roles between the LRRH and the Wolf(es) can be inverted at some point. The LRRH could turn into a big eater, in a very disgusting way (dirty or jung food only, and alcohol) - well just a random thought. Please don't hesitate to tell clearly your critics. If negative, please propose other concrete directions. Or if you wish to bring it to an all other level or direction, let's share ideas! /////// PARTICIPANTS & DATES: Confirmed for Festival de la Imagen (but we still need a date): > Boris (i'm available at almost any time this week) > Paula Confirmed for Mapping (19th April, we don't know at what time yet): > Boris + Manu team > Chris > Chlo? > Bliscappen music band ////////// See you soon, Boris _______________________________________________ aether mailing list aether at [nospam] 1904.cc http://lists.1904.cc/mailman/listinfo/aether --------------------------------- Lesen Sie Ihre E-Mails auf dem Handy.. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.1904.cc/pipermail/aether/attachments/20080319/1a61c1e7/attachment.html From chloecramer at [nospam] gmail.com Wed Mar 19 15:55:42 2008 From: chloecramer at [nospam] gmail.com (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?chlo=E9_cramer?=) Date: Wed, 19 Mar 2008 15:55:42 +0100 Subject: [aether] new script proposal In-Reply-To: <60933.65161.qm {a+} web26708.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> References: <47DC006C.2010407 {a+} n3krozoft.com> <60933.65161.qm {a+} web26708.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <3d22b5760803190755j7b766f75lddd767cc3f05de9b {a+} mail.gmail.com> Hello Everybody, My availability for rehearsals: 1) Friday march 21st - I am travelling to Geneva. My train arrives at 18:35. 2) Sunday, march 30th - 15:00 / I'd prefere a little bit later. To be confirmed. 3) Saturday, april 5th - 15:00 / should be OK 4) Monday, april 14th - 17:00 / OK Boris' proposal is enclosing everything I discussed with him (and I agree with it). I'd like to go even more toward perfect imitation of the "lives" the web is proposing. "Livejasmin", forums, chatrooms. The fact that our "private" skype coordination conversations will be screened on the MAPPING festival seems very important to me. As important as the performance itself. Chat-screening + Perforance-projection will enpower each other. About the questions Laure raises for the text box: it seems interesting to me. Maybe would be nice if you come with a more precise proposal in order to rehearse it and developp the script with your point of view. About Judy's puppet house: Great! I appreciated the puppets Boris ad Laure played with (with action verbs, on aether interface) and I am really looking forward to what you'll do with it, Judy. All the buisness and sex(?) toys are "talking objects". I think this could take place in the middle frame (frame 5). About this Boris last proposal: > For instance the roles between the LRRH and the Wolf(es) can be inverted at some point. The LRRH could turn into a big eater, in a very disgusting way (dirty or jung food only, and alcohol) - well just a random thought. Message-ID: <826235.28284.qm {a+} web62315.mail.re1.yahoo.com> Responding to Laure's caution.....I also think the 'live generated text' in a box didn't work well and the handwritten text looked too......kitsch.....when it was more than one word. Again, acknowledging that the viewer needs to be told what we are doing, I suggest that we have a synopsis of LRRH/what we are doing on the "public interface" page and a handbill at the live performance. OR>>>lets think of a better idea. Judy laure deselys wrote: hello everybody the script proposal sounds good to me. I like the idea that for once we re concretely talking about seduction through the screen After all, LRRH wasnt at first a tale written for kids but for adults. It would be very nice if Bliscappen could improvise on our way to tell the tale Just on thing that i think we should be carefull with, is the use of the text. Choice between text in txt boxes? txt in frames, projection on skype must be well done. Each of these ways of making appear text has its own meaning from my point of view and i think we should be still aware of the fact, that a spectator is absolutely not logged on the same "system preferences" then we are as users. (i mean in feel of visual narration; time-attention etc...) I can assist Chlo? if we re keeping fr1,2,3 for Brussels and here are my availibilities for rehearsals / laure 1) Saturday, March 22nd - 17h00 /until 19H30 2) Sunday, March 30th - 15h00-/ not sure_ what about saturday 29th ? 3) Saturday, April 5th - 15h00 / OK 4) Monday, April 14th - 17h00 / OK P.S: the proposal made to the curatrice Anne Ponteignie with GHost trio project was declined with no further commentary. see u all soon laure bk schrieb: Hi all, I throw a script idea here. Still needs lots of input fortunately. I believe now that it would be better to do twice the same script for the 2 april performances. --- It is a first draft sort of inspired by the LRRH tale, an essay from Lev Manovich, sites like livejasmin.com and elements of our previous discussions. I also had a meeting with Chlo? in a brussels bar yesterday night where we discussed this. This requires 5 live performers. I guess that it would last about 40 minutes. LAYERS > remember the first script, i think we all liked the 3 layers: Gods / Stratosphere / underworld. I think we mostly liked it and in this proposal, there are also layers. But not so rigid: at times the fixed clear structure is broken when the performers decide to upload their images to another frame. There would be set moments for this principle, it would be chaotic (like an unpredictable frame battle - easy to do for the max-patch users, i don't know for performers who use another upload system) (check Lev Manovich essay "Interaction as an Aesthetic Event" (2007), found the other day on manovich.net, a short must read that i attach it to this mail. Key quote: "Command-line interfaces "deliver the goods", that is, they focus on pure functionality and utility. GUI (Graphic User Interface) adds "service" to interfaces (like mac OS9). And at next stage, interfaces become "experiences" (like mac OSX) " (it helped me to imagine the 3 layers as: "goods / services / experiences" but i don't think we should remember this for a performance script really). TOP LAYER (frames 1,2,3) - experiences the Little Red Riding Hood > must attract all 5 senses. > Shows 1 girl doing the webcam thing (check www.livejasmin.com to get the idea...) - her body is spread out on 3 frames, in the illogical horizontally way (assuming the girl is sitting and not laying on a matress for example, but she could switch positions of course): frame 1: head and shoulders frame 2: chest to tights frame 3: legs (This requires 3 cameras and 3 computers!) > Differently colored frames (Godard's "Contempt" / "Le m?pris" style lol) > The girl is "typographed": lighten by a video-beamer (projector) if available: light, images and texts (screen surface would be the skin, the clothes and the wall in the background). Magical transparency etc. > The girl would wear red cape at times. > Live stream would be the sound environnement (spoken interactions between girls, with the technical assistant(s) and sounds from their surroundings). > A different girl could appear at times (i mean that they could switch, on location of the shooting: people on livesjasmin.com often operate from studios where different people work) > nb: I talked with Chlo? who is enthusiastic for doing this part! And in bruxelles it would be totally feasible without big organisation fuzz to have 3 cameras and 3 computers for the 3 part upload. So we can assume that brussels could do this sort of complicate part :-) MIDDLE LAYER (frames 4,5,6) - services > The Hunter, The Wolf, and other persons/things (grandmother? Dolls? Objects? central frame 5 could be a webcam highway all the time?) / could be the people through wich the tale is carried and transmitted / could be the people looking at the kind of peepshow / the forest / the house > The Wolf: a person could be disguised in wolf, wild and chaotic. Undecipherable. Basic instincts. > The Hunter: could be disguised with mustache, hat with feather, riffle. Could spend a lot of time cleaning his gun. LOWER LAYER (frames 7,8,9) - goods The transmission operator (frame 8) + 2 text frames (frames 7 + 9) > The Operator frame is played at the Mapping festival. He is in front of an old-fashionned greyish computer screen.He is the person managing the live Skype chat (that should be projected at Mapping). He has a desk with a lot of stuff around, like a police inspector (i am thinking of the police office at the end of "The Usual Suspects: crowded with pictures, notes, etc - here all these documents would relate to the LRRH case of course). > black and white image only. > The Operator becomes mad when the frames change of place, when it is chaotic. Hence he would appear as a puppet-master whose puppets aren't obedient. Also as the manager of the webcam girl. I imagine he would have a eastern-mafia feel. > He gives orders at time to the girl of top layer (with text). NARRATIVE So far i've described mostly stuctural elements. But i feel we need actions. Like sketches. Series of little interactions (like in the last performance when there's the "murder with the typingmachine" betwwen 2 frames). What will be doing :-) ? This needs a lot of development. Here are a couple ideas: > When the Wolf catches the LRRH (by going up a ladder and exiting his frame by the top? bof...) , a curtain could come down on the LRRH (like when they do a private show in web-peepshows - well of course the morale of the the LRRH story can be read as: the LRRH shall have a lover (the wolf) before marriage (with the hunter)... > END: for the grand finale, i imagine with pleasure a big showdown (after a tense preparation time, like in westerns), with everybody shooting against everybody, and constantly changing of frames, so it would be a shooting chaotic ballet (before everybody going back to it's or?ginal frame for the salutes - where the assistants also come in the image to salute). > There should be a moment of eating alltogether. > Text: in 1 text frame, the text could be a chat session between the LRRH, the hunter and the Wolf. They could be rambling over their great memories of they recall from their story, and the operator could be there as well (live on the skype-chat and somebody remote would take care to upload the logs into the text frame or we could write this chat session in advance and somebody would upload it as well.) (n3krozoft did a performance with images of a chatter and the chat: http://www.n3krozoft.com/projects/art/lol/index.html# In the other text frame, something totally different could be going on. > I guess that to emphasize the actual LRRH tale, we could upload images from books / illustrations / drawings / dolls / films / comics etc. on the theme - or not on the theme actually :-) > SOUND: i imagine BliscappenVonMaria could do "musique descriptive", i mean develop expressionistic themes around the themes of the LRRH. //////// I believe this structure is an invitation to a lot of playfullness and inventions. For instance the roles between the LRRH and the Wolf(es) can be inverted at some point. The LRRH could turn into a big eater, in a very disgusting way (dirty or jung food only, and alcohol) - well just a random thought. Please don't hesitate to tell clearly your critics. If negative, please propose other concrete directions. Or if you wish to bring it to an all other level or direction, let's share ideas! /////// PARTICIPANTS & DATES: Confirmed for Festival de la Imagen (but we still need a date): > Boris (i'm available at almost any time this week) > Paula Confirmed for Mapping (19th April, we don't know at what time yet): > Boris + Manu team > Chris > Chlo? > Bliscappen music band ////////// See you soon, Boris _______________________________________________ aether mailing list aether at [nospam] 1904.cc http://lists.1904.cc/mailman/listinfo/aether --------------------------------- Lesen Sie Ihre E-Mails auf dem Handy.. _______________________________________________ aether mailing list aether at [nospam] 1904.cc http://lists.1904.cc/mailman/listinfo/aether --------------------------------- Be a better friend, newshound, and know-it-all with Yahoo! Mobile. Try it now. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.1904.cc/pipermail/aether/attachments/20080319/3183f789/attachment.html From theleague at [nospam] imaginaryscience.org Wed Mar 19 20:30:30 2008 From: theleague at [nospam] imaginaryscience.org (The League of Imaginary Scientists) Date: Wed, 19 Mar 2008 12:30:30 -0700 Subject: [aether] new script proposal In-Reply-To: <60933.65161.qm {a+} web26708.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> Message-ID: Hi everyone, perhaps this reformulating of the script could be an area where we could contribute ? creating the script or pieces of text as either a playbill as Judy suggested, or maybe a stand-alone animation, or a manifesto in the form of a poster... LUCY On 3/19/08 5:03 AM, "laure deselys" wrote: > hello everybody > > > > the script proposal sounds good to me. > > > I like the idea that for once > we re concretely talking about seduction through the screen > After all, LRRH wasnt at first a tale written for kids > but for adults. > > It would be very nice if Bliscappen could improvise on our > way to tell the tale > > Just on thing that i think we should be carefull with, > is the use of the text. Choice between text in txt boxes? > txt in frames, projection on skype must be well done. > Each of these ways of making appear text has > its own meaning from my point of view > and i think we should be still aware of the fact, that a > spectator is absolutely not logged on the same > "system preferences" then we are as users. > (i mean in feel of visual > narration; > time-attention etc...) > > I can assist Chlo? if we re keeping fr1,2,3 for > Brussels > > and here are my availibilities for rehearsals / laure > > > > > 1) Saturday, March 22nd - 17h00 /until 19H30 > > 2) Sunday, March 30th - 15h00-/ not sure_ what about saturday 29th ? > > 3) Saturday, April 5th - 15h00 / OK > > 4) Monday, April 14th - 17h00 / OK > > > > > P.S: the proposal made to the curatrice Anne Ponteignie > with GHost trio project > was declined with no further commentary. > > > see u all soon > > > laure > > > bk schrieb: >> Hi all, >> I throw a script idea here. Still needs lots of input fortunately. I >> believe now that it would be better to do twice the same script for the >> 2 april performances. >> >> --- >> >> It is a first draft sort of inspired by the LRRH tale, an essay from Lev >> Manovich, sites like livejasmin.com and elements of our previous >> discussions. I also had a meeting with Chlo? in a brussels bar yesterday >> night where we discussed this. >> This requires 5 live performers. I guess that it would last about 40 >> minutes. >> >> >> LAYERS >>> > remember the first script, i think we all liked the 3 layers: Gods / >> Stratosphere / underworld. I think we mostly liked it and in this >> proposal, there are also layers. But not so rigid: at times the fixed >> clear structure is broken when the performers decide to upload their >> images to another frame. There would be set moments for this principle, >> it would be chaotic (like an unpredictable frame battle - easy to do for >> the max-patch users, i don't know for performers who use another upload >> system) >> (check Lev Manovich essay "Interaction as an Aesthetic Event" (2007), >> found the other day on manovich.net, a short must read that i attach it >> to this mail. Key quote: "Command-line interfaces "deliver the goods", >> that is, they focus on pure functionality and utility. GUI (Graphic User >> Interface) adds "service" to interfaces (like mac OS9). And at next >> stage, interfaces become "experiences" (like mac OSX) " (it helped me to >> imagine the 3 layers as: "goods / services / experiences" but i don't >> think we should remember this for a performance script really). >> >> >> TOP LAYER (frames 1,2,3) - experiences >> the Little Red Riding Hood >>> > must attract all 5 senses. >>> > Shows 1 girl doing the webcam thing (check www.livejasmin.com to get >> the idea...) - her body is spread out on 3 frames, in the illogical >> horizontally way (assuming the girl is sitting and not laying on a >> matress for example, but she could switch positions of course): >> frame 1: head and shoulders >> frame 2: chest to tights >> frame 3: legs >> (This requires 3 cameras and 3 computers!) >>> > Differently colored frames (Godard's "Contempt" / "Le m?pris" style lol) >>> > The girl is "typographed": lighten by a video-beamer (projector) if >> available: light, images and texts (screen surface would be the skin, >> the clothes and the wall in the background). Magical transparency etc. >>> > The girl would wear red cape at times. >>> > Live stream would be the sound environnement (spoken interactions >> between girls, with the technical assistant(s) and sounds from their >> surroundings). >>> > A different girl could appear at times (i mean that they could >> switch, on location of the shooting: people on livesjasmin.com often >> operate from studios where different people work) >>> > nb: I talked with Chlo? who is enthusiastic for doing this part! And >> in bruxelles it would be totally feasible without big organisation fuzz >> to have 3 cameras and 3 computers for the 3 part upload. So we can >> assume that brussels could do this sort of complicate part :-) >> >> >> MIDDLE LAYER (frames 4,5,6) - services >>> > The Hunter, The Wolf, and other persons/things (grandmother? Dolls? >> Objects? central frame 5 could be a webcam highway all the time?) / >> could be the people through wich the tale is carried and transmitted / >> could be the people looking at the kind of peepshow / the forest / the house >>> > The Wolf: a person could be disguised in wolf, wild and chaotic. >> Undecipherable. Basic instincts. >>> > The Hunter: could be disguised with mustache, hat with feather, >> riffle. Could spend a lot of time cleaning his gun. >> >> >> LOWER LAYER (frames 7,8,9) - goods >> The transmission operator (frame 8) + 2 text frames (frames 7 + 9) >>> > The Operator frame is played at the Mapping festival. He is in front >> of an old-fashionned greyish computer screen.He is the person managing >> the live Skype chat (that should be projected at Mapping). He has a desk >> with a lot of stuff around, like a police inspector (i am thinking of >> the police office at the end of "The Usual Suspects: crowded with >> pictures, notes, etc - here all these documents would relate to the LRRH >> case of course). >>> > black and white image only. >>> > The Operator becomes mad when the frames change of place, when it is >> chaotic. Hence he would appear as a puppet-master whose puppets aren't >> obedient. Also as the manager of the webcam girl. I imagine he would >> have a eastern-mafia feel. >>> > He gives orders at time to the girl of top layer (with text). >> >> NARRATIVE >> So far i've described mostly stuctural elements. But i feel we need >> actions. Like sketches. Series of little interactions (like in the last >> performance when there's the "murder with the typingmachine" betwwen 2 >> frames). What will be doing :-) ? >> This needs a lot of development. Here are a couple ideas: >> >>> > When the Wolf catches the LRRH (by going up a ladder and exiting his >> frame by the top? bof...) , a curtain could come down on the LRRH (like >> when they do a private show in web-peepshows - well of course the morale >> of the the LRRH story can be read as: the LRRH shall have a lover (the >> wolf) before marriage (with the hunter)... >> >>> > END: for the grand finale, i imagine with pleasure a big showdown >> (after a tense preparation time, like in westerns), with everybody >> shooting against everybody, and constantly changing of frames, so it >> would be a shooting chaotic ballet (before everybody going back to it's >> or?ginal frame for the salutes - where the assistants also come in the >> image to salute). >> >>> > There should be a moment of eating alltogether. >> >>> > Text: in 1 text frame, the text could be a chat session between the >> LRRH, the hunter and the Wolf. They could be rambling over their great >> memories of they recall from their story, and the operator could be >> there as well (live on the skype-chat and somebody remote would take >> care to upload the logs into the text frame or we could write this chat >> session in advance and somebody would upload it as well.) >> (n3krozoft did a performance with images of a chatter and the chat: >> http://www.n3krozoft.com/projects/art/lol/index.html# >> In the other text frame, something totally different could be going on. >> >>> > I guess that to emphasize the actual LRRH tale, we could upload >> images from books / illustrations / drawings / dolls / films / comics >> etc. on the theme - or not on the theme actually :-) >> >>> > SOUND: i imagine BliscappenVonMaria could do "musique descriptive", >> i mean develop expressionistic themes around the themes of the LRRH. >> >> //////// >> >> I believe this structure is an invitation to a lot of playfullness and >> inventions. >> For instance the roles between the LRRH and the Wolf(es) can be inverted >> at some point. The LRRH could turn into a big eater, in a very >> disgusting way (dirty or jung food only, and alcohol) - well just a >> random thought. >> >> Please don't hesitate to tell clearly your critics. If negative, please >> propose other concrete directions. Or if you wish to bring it to an all >> other level or direction, let's share ideas! >> >> >> /////// >> >> PARTICIPANTS & DATES: >> >> >> Confirmed for Festival de la Imagen (but we still need a date): >>> > Boris (i'm available at almost any time this week) >>> > Paula >> >> >> Confirmed for Mapping (19th April, we don't know at what time yet): >>> > Boris + Manu team >>> > Chris >>> > Chlo? >>> > Bliscappen music band >> >> ////////// >> >> See you soon, >> Boris >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> aether mailing list >> aether at [nospam] 1904.cc >> http://lists.1904.cc/mailman/listinfo/aether > > > > > Lesen Sie Ihre E-Mails auf dem Handy. > er=e00127> . > > _______________________________________________ > aether mailing list > aether at [nospam] 1904.cc > http://lists.1904.cc/mailman/listinfo/aether The League of Imaginary Scientists -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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(in a good way ;) first rehearsal dates : 1) Saturday, March 22nd - 17h00 / this one has changed to friday right? the 21st? in this case : MAYBE 2) Sunday, March 30th - 15h00-/ like laure: not sure_ what about saturday 29th ? 3) Saturday, April 5th - 15h00 / OK 4) Monday, April 14th - 17h00 / will be back very late ... might catch end of chat (* we should defenitely implement a calendar in the wiki) between april 7th and 14th i will be in graz - will even get to visit cym's farm! i will be busy setting up but i will have my own place there, presumably with internet connection, so depending on my availability and the 'props' available and settings required for script i could manage some rehearsals during that week (beginning of week better). comments on script: *operator : i like idea - strong on level of interaction between 'remote' and 'local' and good entertainment value for festival audience. [who will this operator be? boris? manu?] *seduction on screen (frame 1,2,3) : yes this is an 'issue' which is valid to address. but are we really addressing it by re-enacting the same role play of woman as object (projected upon) and man as 'operator'... (this for me is a point of contention) *wolf, hunter, LLRH : i agree with manuel that these roles could be less 'literal' - business man, etc., are good starting points to rethink contemporary power/economic structures of which i can imagine food as abundance or hunger can be a metaphore for money etc... *shoot-out chaos: i like this idea also (especially in conjunction with the operator freaking out :) - i have but a remark regarding previous comments about our performances being in general a bit 'chaotic' to viewers (for lack of a better term here) so its really important that it is evident i.e. that the passage from 'normal' to chaotic is explicit and clear for it to be effective. *doll house: really great! love puppets and scale play (think i lost my miniature wooden houses and farms which would might have been good for this scenario...) *webcam : it is a great feature that would i think really fit with the live music at mapping - but i can't think of how that could fit with the script right now... no further comments for now except that it would be nice to have skype/irc chat soon to discuss how this script could play out in frames more concretally etc and start playing around... maybe its easier to comment once its put into our usual 9 frame script/interface structure. 0-----0 aether9 presentation | workshop 0-----0 this relates to rehearsal times as well. i elaborate. i have been thinking, as judy remarked regarding presenting aether9, about 'what we are doing'. i had an interview at KHM (media arts academy in cologne) in which they were interested to hear about the project. the explanation process combined with the directions they are opening up at the academy (space scenography), and the conversations with paula got my brain-a-thinking. what are we doing? why? etc. one aspect of these performances is indeed the interfacing between 'remote' and 'local'. we are also exploring the narrative and dramaturgical possibilities of internet protocols. in this vein i was prompted to write a short text which i am now tailoring to a) a presentation b) a workshop (more on workshop in following mail) judy, in terms of what you are planning for your presentation perhaps we can co-brain on this one... next wednesday i am asked to present the aether9 project to bachelor degree students in fine arts/media of the rietveld academy (3 hours slot). the students # will be between 20-40 and their 'computer'/performance/media knowledge ranges from very little to alot. the idea is to present the historical background (telematic art, etc) and then the project itself for the first part. during this time, it would be fantastic to have a few aethernauts present on skype to comment/add/disagree to what i am saying (i'd be on skype voice conference call with you and the chat projected with beamer) - reminiscent of vj-theory chat. in the second part i can imagine that we begin to play around with a few possible interactions between frames for the coming scenario during which the students are our audience. a rehearsal with an audience. i will relay their comments to the chat, they get a feel of networked 'rehearsals', communications, script developement over internet protocols, and the like... etc. questions: - can anyone be available remotely? [wednesday 26th from 19:15-22:15]. - what do you think of combining rehearsal/discussion/presentation? note: for the presentation there would be no money involved for remote participants (i get a bit but hardly enough to distribute after travel expenses)- but for the workshop i propose definitely yes (just to be clear that i don't think we should work for free as it might have been understood in past mails). below rough text for presentation (information students receive prior to event giving context) : feedback appreciated (on all levels, be it grammar or concept). ------ Aether9 presentation : *?ther9: ?ther9 is a collaborative art project exploring the field of realtime video transmission. It was initiated in May 2007 during a workshop at the Mapping Festival in Geneva, Switzerland. Developed by an international group of visual artists and collectives working in different locations (Europe, North and South America) and communicating solely through the Internet, ?ther9 is a framework for networked video/audio performance, and the collaborative development of dramarturgical rules particular to Internet modes of communication. The system functions as an open platform for participants of any technical level to transmit imagery in real-time and interact through a structured narrative performance questioning the issues of presence/absence, remote/local, identity and intimacy in the context of the electronic space. *Context: The elaboration of our virtual identities as well as the collaborative artistic process is nowadays mediated by email, VOIP (i.e. Skype), IRC, blogs as well as social networking sites (i.e. MySpace). It becomes increasingly difficult to define 'reality' and 'virtuality' in the traditional sense. It is therefore necessary to explore the qualitative spatiality of 'the virtual' and especially how the later can be interfaced with what was traditionally called 'reality'. This interfacing process also involves the exploration of the boundaries/overlapping of these worlds. Internet protocols are commonplace modes of communication for collaborative storytelling, yet the results of 'distributed authorship' can often still be described as a: "fat tome of Joycean pretensions that [delves] deep into the poetics of disembodied collaboration and weightless network rambling"[1] as described by Artist Hank Bull already in 1983 (participant in _La Plissure du Texte_). As these technologies have become prevalent, now a 'sine qua non' of contemporary culture, it has become essential to understand the limitations and possibilities these protocols afford and there affect on modes of narration (i.e. non-linear storytelling). [1] : http://telematic.walkerart.org/timeline/timeline_shanken.html *Schedule/program: -Presentation of ?ther9 project and its context (some ?ther9 members also remotely present via Skype conference call) -?ther9 rehearsal : students are invited to actively participate in the rehearsal via the chat or by uploading images (jam session). -End: short round table discussion about impressions of the limitations and possibilities of the communication modes and technology used. *Links: ?ther9 site: http://1904.cc/aether/ ?ther9 WIKI: http://1904.cc/timeline/tiki-index.php?page=%C3%A6ther9 Intercontinental Skype Discussion with VJ Theory: Future Directions : http://www.vjtheory.net/teas-textchat-26-05-2007.htm Telematic art: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Telematic_art *?ther9 participants : (i took out geneva collective bit... think it is not really 'current') Audrey Samson (Rotterdam, NL) - http://ideacritik.com Amirali Ghasemi (Tehran, Iran) - http://amiralionly.com - http://parkingallery.com Christiaan Cruz (Yorba Linda, California, USA) - http://zurcnaaitsirhc.blogspot.com cym (Walkersdorf, Austria) - http://cym.net - http://wd8.org Alejandro Duque (Luzern, CH) - http://giss.tv - [k.0]_lab - planktum Manuel Schmalstieg (Geneva, CH) - http://n3krozoft.com/ N3krozoft Group Brussels [Boris Kish, Chlo? Cramer, Laure Deselys] - http://n3krozoft.com Nathalie Fougeras (Brussels, B) - http://nathaliefougeras.org/Liens2 Judy Nylon (UK/USA) - http://myspace.com/judynylon Paula V?lez (Medellin, Colombia) - http://pinkblackpantera.wordpress.com The League of Imaginary Scientists (Los Angeles, USA) - http://imaginaryscience.org Luka Prin?i? (Rakitna, Slovenia) - http://viator.si D?couvrez les styles qui font sensation sur Yahoo! Qu?bec Avatars. http://cf.avatars.yahoo.com/ -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.1904.cc/pipermail/aether/attachments/20080319/e14d5413/attachment.html From favela-studio at cave12.org Thu Mar 20 00:29:03 2008 From: favela-studio at cave12.org (favela-studio at cave12.org) Date: Thu, 20 Mar 2008 00:29:03 +0100 Subject: [aether] ^_^ Message-ID: <1205969343-1112234eff84830c0e38d2fa30fd5f82 {a+} cave12.org> -------------- next part -------------- An embedded message was scrubbed... From: Margarita Gingins Subject: MEDIALAB-PRADO / INTERACTIVOS? 08 Date: Wed, 19 Mar 2008 20:35:51 +0100 Size: 6684 Url: http://lists.1904.cc/pipermail/aether/attachments/20080320/39b049ef/attachment.mht From knickerbockerjuju at [nospam] yahoo.com Thu Mar 20 17:43:32 2008 From: knickerbockerjuju at [nospam] yahoo.com (Judy Nylon) Date: Thu, 20 Mar 2008 09:43:32 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [aether] aether9 presentation + script comments In-Reply-To: <907949.37176.qm {a+} web50212.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <599070.23045.qm {a+} web62306.mail.re1.yahoo.com> Audrey, i will look for a time when you are on line...and maybe we can have a Skype brainstorm about the presentation. Mine is a bit different.....not for students so I am framing it differently....but..... JUDY : audrey: : Wed Mar 19 15: 21: 16 at [nospam] yahoo.com, UNEXPECTED_DATA_AFTER_ADDRESS_IN_GROUP at .SYNTAX-ERROR.;;;;;, "::audrey::" wrote: hi all, just now reading all the recent traffic - my brain has been buzzing with aether9 since a few days since i was asked to do a presentation about the project (i get back to this at the end of mail). [warning this is a Long mail] first i will briefly comment on the next performances + script, then i will spill the aether guts that have been festering my brain... (in a good way ;) first rehearsal dates : 1) Saturday, March 22nd - 17h00 / this one has changed to friday right? the 21st? in this case : MAYBE 2) Sunday, March 30th - 15h00-/ like laure: not sure_ what about saturday 29th ? 3) Saturday, April 5th - 15h00 / OK 4) Monday, April 14th - 17h00 / will be back very late ... might catch end of chat (* we should defenitely implement a calendar in the wiki) between april 7th and 14th i will be in graz - will even get to visit cym's farm! i will be busy setting up but i will have my own place there, presumably with internet connection, so depending on my availability and the 'props' available and settings required for script i could manage some rehearsals during that week (beginning of week better). comments on script: *operator : i like idea - strong on level of interaction between 'remote' and 'local' and good entertainment value for festival audience. [who will this operator be? boris? manu?] *seduction on screen (frame 1,2,3) : yes this is an 'issue' which is valid to address. but are we really addressing it by re-enacting the same role play of woman as object (projected upon) and man as 'operator'... (this for me is a point of contention) *wolf, hunter, LLRH : i agree with manuel that these roles could be less 'literal' - business man, etc., are good starting points to rethink contemporary power/economic structures of which i can imagine food as abundance or hunger can be a metaphore for money etc... *shoot-out chaos: i like this idea also (especially in conjunction with the operator freaking out :) - i have but a remark regarding previous comments about our performances being in general a bit 'chaotic' to viewers (for lack of a better term here) so its really important that it is evident i.e. that the passage from 'normal' to chaotic is explicit and clear for it to be effective. *doll house: really great! love puppets and scale play (think i lost my miniature wooden houses and farms which would might have been good for this scenario...) *webcam : it is a great feature that would i think really fit with the live music at mapping - but i can't think of how that could fit with the script right now... no further comments for now except that it would be nice to have skype/irc chat soon to discuss how this script could play out in frames more concretally etc and start playing around... maybe its easier to comment once its put into our usual 9 frame script/interface structure. 0-----0 aether9 presentation | workshop 0-----0 this relates to rehearsal times as well. i elaborate. i have been thinking, as judy remarked regarding presenting aether9, about 'what we are doing'. i had an interview at KHM (media arts academy in cologne) in which they were interested to hear about the project. the explanation process combined with the directions they are opening up at the academy (space scenography), and the conversations with paula got my brain-a-thinking. what are we doing? why? etc. one aspect of these performances is indeed the interfacing between 'remote' and 'local'. we are also exploring the narrative and dramaturgical possibilities of internet protocols. in this vein i was prompted to write a short text which i am now tailoring to a) a presentation b) a workshop (more on workshop in following mail) judy, in terms of what you are planning for your presentation perhaps we can co-brain on this one... next wednesday i am asked to present the aether9 project to bachelor degree students in fine arts/media of the rietveld academy (3 hours slot). the students # will be between 20-40 and their 'computer'/performance/media knowledge ranges from very little to alot. the idea is to present the historical background (telematic art, etc) and then the project itself for the first part. during this time, it would be fantastic to have a few aethernauts present on skype to comment/add/disagree to what i am saying (i'd be on skype voice conference call with you and the chat projected with beamer) - reminiscent of vj-theory chat. in the second part i can imagine that we begin to play around with a few possible interactions between frames for the coming scenario during which the students are our audience. a rehearsal with an audience. i will relay their comments to the chat, they get a feel of networked 'rehearsals', communications, script developement over internet protocols, and the like... etc. questions: - can anyone be available remotely? [wednesday 26th from 19:15-22:15]. - what do you think of combining rehearsal/discussion/presentation? note: for the presentation there would be no money involved for remote participants (i get a bit but hardly enough to distribute after travel expenses)- but for the workshop i propose definitely yes (just to be clear that i don't think we should work for free as it might have been understood in past mails). below rough text for presentation (information students receive prior to event giving context) : feedback appreciated (on all levels, be it grammar or concept). ------ Aether9 presentation : *??ther9: ??ther9 is a collaborative art project exploring the field of realtime video transmission. It was initiated in May 2007 during a workshop at the Mapping Festival in Geneva, Switzerland. Developed by an international group of visual artists and collectives working in different locations (Europe, North and South America) and communicating solely through the Internet, ??ther9 is a framework for networked video/audio performance, and the collaborative development of dramarturgical rules particular to Internet modes of communication. The system functions as an open platform for participants of any technical level to transmit imagery in real-time and interact through a structured narrative performance questioning the issues of presence/absence, remote/local, identity and intimacy in the context of the electronic space. *Context: The elaboration of our virtual identities as well as the collaborative artistic process is nowadays mediated by email, VOIP (i.e. Skype), IRC, blogs as well as social networking sites (i.e. MySpace). It becomes increasingly difficult to define 'reality' and 'virtuality' in the traditional sense. It is therefore necessary to explore the qualitative spatiality of 'the virtual' and especially how the later can be interfaced with what was traditionally called 'reality'. This interfacing process also involves the exploration of the boundaries/overlapping of these worlds. Internet protocols are commonplace modes of communication for collaborative storytelling, yet the results of 'distributed authorship' can often still be described as a: "fat tome of Joycean pretensions that [delves] deep into the poetics of disembodied collaboration and weightless network rambling"[1] as described by Artist Hank Bull already in 1983 (participant in _La Plissure du Texte_). As these technologies have become prevalent, now a 'sine qua non' of contemporary culture, it has become essential to understand the limitations and possibilities these protocols afford and there affect on modes of narration (i.e. non-linear storytelling). [1] : http://telematic.walkerart.org/timeline/timeline_shanken.html *Schedule/program: -Presentation of ??ther9 project and its context (some ??ther9 members also remotely present via Skype conference call) -??ther9 rehearsal : students are invited to actively participate in the rehearsal via the chat or by uploading images (jam session). -End: short round table discussion about impressions of the limitations and possibilities of the communication modes and technology used. *Links: ??ther9 site: http://1904.cc/aether/ ??ther9 WIKI: http://1904.cc/timeline/tiki-index.php?page=%C3%A6ther9 Intercontinental Skype Discussion with VJ Theory: Future Directions : http://www.vjtheory.net/teas-textchat-26-05-2007.htm Telematic art: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Telematic_art *??ther9 participants : (i took out geneva collective bit... think it is not really 'current') Audrey Samson (Rotterdam, NL) - http://ideacritik.com Amirali Ghasemi (Tehran, Iran) - http://amiralionly.com - http://parkingallery.com Christiaan Cruz (Yorba Linda, California, USA) - http://zurcnaaitsirhc.blogspot.com cym (Walkersdorf, Austria) - http://cym.net - http://wd8.org Alejandro Duque (Luzern, CH) - http://giss.tv - [k.0]_lab - planktum Manuel Schmalstieg (Geneva, CH) - http://n3krozoft.com/ N3krozoft Group Brussels [Boris Kish, Chlo?? Cramer, Laure Deselys] - http://n3krozoft.com Nathalie Fougeras (Brussels, B) - http://nathaliefougeras.org/Liens2 Judy Nylon (UK/USA) - http://myspace.com/judynylon Paula V??lez (Medellin, Colombia) - http://pinkblackpantera.wordpress.com The League of Imaginary Scientists (Los Angeles, USA) - http://imaginaryscience.org Luka Prin??i?? (Rakitna, Slovenia) - http://viator.si --------------------------------- D??couvrez les styles qui font sensation sur Yahoo! Qu??bec Avatars_______________________________________________ aether mailing list aether at [nospam] 1904.cc http://lists.1904.cc/mailman/listinfo/aether --------------------------------- Be a better friend, newshound, and know-it-all with Yahoo! Mobile. Try it now. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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In-Reply-To: <319289.4419.qm {a+} web50204.mail.re2.yahoo.com> References: <319289.4419.qm {a+} web50204.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Message-ID: ******** CALENDAR: ******** hi, thanks chris for the research! as audrey points out, there is a calendar in tikiwiki, http://1904.cc/timeline/tiki-calendar.php but it has some bugs that make it quite unusable (like not displaying the correct day for all dates set in the future...). of course i prefer to stay as much as possible "independent" and use our own servers + open-source software... but most importantly the calendar should: 1): simply work, 2): synchronize with clients such as iCal or Sunbird (ie. the client can access the calendar automatically, and events can be added through the client). and it seems the latter is possible with google-calendar, it can be directly updated from Mozilla Sunbird: see: http://bfish.xaedalus.net/?p=239 the only thing is that to be able to update it this way, we need to share the user and password of the master account.. hope that's ok with you chris ;) ? ******** REHEARSALS: ******** About coming rehearsals, the Bliscappen are NOT available for next saturday/sunday, but that shouldn't prevent us from scheduling an online meeting for saturday 29th (20:00 europe time?) I did a session yesterday with the Bliscappens, mostly I was populating the 9 windows with treated webcam captures, + sequences of the trio playing. They start to get a feel of the whole thing, and were happily sonorizing the highway landscapes. Still they are rather intrigued by the LRRH concept which I was outlining to them, maybe in a somehow unclear way.. ******** OTHER: ******** Audrey, i will be present online on that day. There is no complete version of the Ghost trio performance.. exept in the shape of a 70% finished edit weighted at ca. 4 gigabyte... will try to get you a nice sequence of that uploaded by monday evening! and PS: there is again a new version of the patch in the online depository: http://www.1904.cc/~aether/kode/max_image_upload/ it's because trafficlandDotCom changed a few lines in their html authentification, so i needed to update the patch to be able to grab the cams... best, manu > > >ps -- if anyone can be present next wednesday >evening online would be great ! 20:30-21:45 >(amsterdam/geneva/brussels time)... > >pps -- i was looking for a video of ghost trio >through the archive - and there are so many... >bits and ... bit confusing. could someone tell >me which is the whole thing or the final edit >or? you know what i mean... > >----- Message initial ---- >De : christiaan cruz >? : "aether at [nospam] 1904.cc" >Envoy? le : samedi 22 mars 2008, 00 h 20 min 44 s >Objet : [aether] FW: christiaan cruz has sent you the calendar AETHER9 > >.hmmessage P { margin:0px;padding:0px;} >body.hmmessage { >FONT-SIZE:10pt;FONT-FAMILY:Tahoma;} > >gmail.com >To: aether at [nospam] 1904.cc > >hey guys >I made a google calendar. couldn't find any other non >corporate open source web based thingy so this is it. >it needs correcting though and the only way to do it >is with a gmail account. however, if you don't have >that email me and i'll make the corrections and >additions. > >if we decide to keep it and update it I'll make it nonpublic >nonsearchable. > >thanks >-christiaan >View >AETHER9 calendar >http://www.google.com/calendar/embed?src=YWptZXNra3ZmMG9vZHZwbjgxb29lb3E0MWNAZ3JvdXAuY2FsZW5kYXIuZ29vZ2xlLmNvbQ > From amiralionly at [nospam] gmail.com Sat Mar 22 16:33:31 2008 From: amiralionly at [nospam] gmail.com (Amirali Ghasemi) Date: Sat, 22 Mar 2008 19:03:31 +0330 Subject: [aether] call for art (Tehran Biennial!) Message-ID: Dear friends here is a call for art From Tehran *Urban Jealousy the 1st International Roaming Biennial of Tehran* 1st station: Istanbul, 30th May - 6th July 2008 Curated by Amirali Ghasemi and Serhat Koksal Please see the attachment for poster and application best wishes Amirali -- ----------------------------------------------------- Amirali Ghasemi Media Artist / Art Director http://www.parkingallery.com http://www.amiralionly.com ---------------------------------------- http://parkingnews.blogspot.com ------------------------------- http://pix.amiralionly.com http://www.flickr.com/photos/amiralionly/ ------- http://www.neverbeentotehran.com/ http://www.reloadingimages.org http://www.exociti.org -------- http://www.humblevoice.com/amiralionly http://360.yahoo.com/amiralionly Skype: amiralionly -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Name: Urban-Jealousy-EN.doc Type: application/msword Size: 193536 bytes Desc: not available Url : http://lists.1904.cc/pipermail/aether/attachments/20080322/dbc20ec0/attachment.doc From fe2cruz at [nospam] hotmail.com Sat Mar 22 18:08:17 2008 From: fe2cruz at [nospam] hotmail.com (fe2cruz) Date: Sat, 22 Mar 2008 10:08:17 -0700 Subject: [aether] aix.calendar In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Hey guys I sent a private email with the calendar login to those without gmails. don't post the login on this list for everyone with a gmail: alejo, amirali, chloe, shervin, cym & judy when you log in to your gmail website click calendar and you should be able to access or add the aixcalendar to yours. as manuel said, you can integrate it with firefox and all so feel free to use it with whatever tools you are used to. if I missed someone please let me know and we'll get you access. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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From cymnet at [nospam] gmail.com Sat Mar 22 20:40:00 2008 From: cymnet at [nospam] gmail.com (cym net) Date: Sat, 22 Mar 2008 20:40:00 +0100 Subject: [aether] calendar In-Reply-To: <47E5496D.4030204 {a+} n3krozoft.com> References: <319289.4419.qm {a+} web50204.mail.re2.yahoo.com> <47E5496D.4030204 {a+} n3krozoft.com> Message-ID: <95c795f70803221240s11a69d58o1dfa320c4fb7f8fe {a+} mail.gmail.com> I added the calendar to my gmail account. I created an event, just to test, but it doesn't show up in the calendar. I can create it and everything looks fine, but when I click on this link: http://www.google.com/calendar/embed?src=YWptZXNra3ZmMG9vZHZwbjgxb29lb3E0MWNAZ3JvdXAuY2FsZW5kYXIuZ29vZ2xlLmNvbQ the event that I created is not there. Also I am not sure if I see the events that boris created. When I open the calendar within my gmail account the events that I created are there, but it seems that they are only visible to me. cym On Sat, Mar 22, 2008 at 7:01 PM, bk wrote: > > > About coming rehearsals, the Bliscappen are NOT > > available for next saturday/sunday, but that > > shouldn't prevent us from scheduling an online > > meeting for saturday 29th (20:00 europe time?) > > > Yeah so i set a rehearsal meeting and the next performances dates on the > calendar. Seems to work fine this calendar. > ? +, > b. > _______________________________________________ > aether mailing list > aether at [nospam] 1904.cc > http://lists.1904.cc/mailman/listinfo/aether > From cymnet at [nospam] gmail.com Sat Mar 22 20:46:06 2008 From: cymnet at [nospam] gmail.com (cym net) Date: Sat, 22 Mar 2008 20:46:06 +0100 Subject: [aether] aether9 presentation + script comments In-Reply-To: <907949.37176.qm {a+} web50212.mail.re2.yahoo.com> References: <907949.37176.qm {a+} web50212.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <95c795f70803221246r3f1c5246s3dd85cea81520fdd {a+} mail.gmail.com> On Wed, Mar 19, 2008 at 11:21 PM, ::audrey:: wrote: > > questions: > - can anyone be available remotely? [wednesday 26th from 19:15-22:15]. > - what do you think of combining rehearsal/discussion/presentation? > note: Sorry... I am invited to a presentation in Ljubljana exactly wednesday 26th from 19:30 till 22:00... Otherwise it would be no problem to be online during the presentation. Also without money. cym From fe2cruz at [nospam] hotmail.com Sat Mar 22 22:16:51 2008 From: fe2cruz at [nospam] hotmail.com (fe2cruz) Date: Sat, 22 Mar 2008 14:16:51 -0700 Subject: [aether] be sure to select the aixcalendar in the my calendars window Message-ID: cym, in the left side column there should be a section "My calendars" make sure the aether calendar has a check mark. you may only be editing your personal calendar if there is no check by the aether one. some browsers are slow to refresh too. opera and google don't always agree. Log in as you normally would for your own gmail access as you have full rights to the aether calendar. Boris's edits should appear. these are the confirmed dates so far. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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I think simple actions like eating tearing gorging. I might be able to get some prerecorded wolf to mix in. Live video mixing uploading might be better for me than live Fwink video. Would you guys be opposed to using clips from films (sampling)? Will the wolf somehow interact with the girl in the top frame? Can we slice organs out of her body and feed it to the wolves in the cells below? As far as text it might be a good idea to stick to the simple fairytale short passages so as not to confuse the audience. Use the text like you would in a silent movie. Not sure what else to comment until I see the 9 cells running so, hopefully we will all see each other soon. Paula any dates available for LRRH? Judy do you have any dates to post too? -c -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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URL: http://lists.1904.cc/pipermail/aether/attachments/20080324/b1d69d47/attachment.html From 1.1 [*] 1904.cc Mon Mar 24 22:58:17 2008 From: 1.1 [*] 1904.cc (1.1.1904) Date: Mon, 24 Mar 2008 22:58:17 +0100 Subject: [aether] calendar In-Reply-To: <95c795f70803221240s11a69d58o1dfa320c4fb7f8fe {a+} mail.gmail.com> References: <319289.4419.qm {a+} web50204.mail.re2.yahoo.com> <47E5496D.4030204 {a+} n3krozoft.com> <95c795f70803221240s11a69d58o1dfa320c4fb7f8fe {a+} mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: >I added the calendar to my gmail account. I created an event, just to >test, but it doesn't show up in the calendar. cym, it seems to me that Chris actually created another calendar (in order to share the password with us i guess) which can be seen here: http://www.google.com/calendar/embed?src=aix.calendar {a+} gmail.com i just tested the integration with the Mozilla-Sunbird calendar client, which seems to work great - it allows me to easily see and edit the calendar from the client (without the need to log into google). link to Sunbird / Lightning: http://www.mozilla.org/projects/calendar/ link to the necessary google calendar add-on: https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/sunbird/addon/4631 procedure to subscribe (from inside Sunbird): Under "File" choose : "New Calendar" -> "on the network" -> format "Google Calendar" Enter as location: http://www.google.com/calendar/feeds/aix.calendar {a+} gmail.com/public/basic Then you need to enter your google username and password, or the one that Chris sent to you (or will send to you if you ask for). You will have to give a name to that calendar, such as "aether9". Every event that you will add to this "aether9" calendar will be immediately added to the google calendar, and visible to all other users. Seems quite efficient and easy to set up, so i'm ok for trying this. If we should decide at some moment to stay away from the google conglomerate, there is an open-source calendar system which seems to have quite the same features: http://phpicalendar.net (integrates with iCal, Sunbird, etc) PS: i just put online the new version of the aether website. if anybody want's to help editing / adding missing information, please do so, it's pretty simple html and css (just ask me for the access code). best, manuel From knickerbockerjuju at [nospam] yahoo.com Tue Mar 25 13:11:31 2008 From: knickerbockerjuju at [nospam] yahoo.com (Judy Nylon) Date: Tue, 25 Mar 2008 05:11:31 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [aether] calendar In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <784646.43002.qm {a+} web62312.mail.re1.yahoo.com> Thanks.....I'm sorted out with the calender; it will help. I will work on sorting out the right patch for my MacBook (Pd-0.39.3-extended or EZ-7z_v.0.6_OSX?) and my new Chinese off-brand camera over the weekend. Its not great but at least I have some sort of camera now. Judy "1.1.1904" <1.1 [*] 1904.cc> wrote: >I added the calendar to my gmail account. I created an event, just to >test, but it doesn't show up in the calendar. cym, it seems to me that Chris actually created another calendar (in order to share the password with us i guess) which can be seen here: http://www.google.com/calendar/embed?src=aix.calendar {a+} gmail.com i just tested the integration with the Mozilla-Sunbird calendar client, which seems to work great - it allows me to easily see and edit the calendar from the client (without the need to log into google). link to Sunbird / Lightning: http://www.mozilla.org/projects/calendar/ link to the necessary google calendar add-on: https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/sunbird/addon/4631 procedure to subscribe (from inside Sunbird): Under "File" choose : "New Calendar" -> "on the network" -> format "Google Calendar" Enter as location: http://www.google.com/calendar/feeds/aix.calendar {a+} gmail.com/public/basic Then you need to enter your google username and password, or the one that Chris sent to you (or will send to you if you ask for). You will have to give a name to that calendar, such as "aether9". Every event that you will add to this "aether9" calendar will be immediately added to the google calendar, and visible to all other users. Seems quite efficient and easy to set up, so i'm ok for trying this. If we should decide at some moment to stay away from the google conglomerate, there is an open-source calendar system which seems to have quite the same features: http://phpicalendar.net (integrates with iCal, Sunbird, etc) PS: i just put online the new version of the aether website. if anybody want's to help editing / adding missing information, please do so, it's pretty simple html and css (just ask me for the access code). best, manuel _______________________________________________ aether mailing list aether at [nospam] 1904.cc http://lists.1904.cc/mailman/listinfo/aether --------------------------------- Be a better friend, newshound, and know-it-all with Yahoo! Mobile. Try it now. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.1904.cc/pipermail/aether/attachments/20080325/928a5a54/attachment.html From 1.1 [*] 1904.cc Tue Mar 25 14:00:14 2008 From: 1.1 [*] 1904.cc (1.1.1904) Date: Tue, 25 Mar 2008 14:00:14 +0100 Subject: [aether] calendar In-Reply-To: <784646.43002.qm {a+} web62312.mail.re1.yahoo.com> References: <784646.43002.qm {a+} web62312.mail.re1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: to bring some clarity into this: * EZ-7z_v.0.6_OSX = a little thingie that helps to decompress the "servers.7z" file (which is encrypted to protect our most sensitive information: the server access codes). * Pd-0.39.3-extended = Pure Data : the open-source alternative to MaxMSP (running on Linux, OSX and Windows), which would be great for us to use, but it's not very easy for beginners. Luka, who knows the program well, wrote a version of the upload patch (however anybody who uses it will need to dig a bit inside the code to update the server list). Luka's patch: http://bin.viator.si/tavi/?page=AetherOne Pd-0.39.3-extended (a very complete version of PD which should include all necessary video objects, therefore the "extended") can normally be found here: http://at.or.at/hans/pd/installers-0.39.3-extended-rc5.html There are two versions for Mac OSX, Intel and PowerPC, choose the one that fits your machine. * MaxMSP/Jitter patch: This is currently the most easy and up-to-date way to upload the images to the aether interface. The Max and Jitter installers can be found here: http://cycling74.com/downloads/maxmsp http://cycling74.com/downloads/jitter Both need to be installed (Jitter is an extension of the main application, MaxMSP). The main MaxMSP app will be in trial mode (which expires after 30 days), but the MaxMSP-runtime app will work without time limitation and allows to use all the functionalities. See the readme file for more details: http://www.1904.cc/~aether/kode/max_image_upload/readme.txt Download location of the MaxMSP/Jitter aether9 patch: http://www.1904.cc/~aether/kode/max_image_upload/ most current version: 126beta hope that helps ;) manuel >Thanks.....I'm sorted out with the calender; it will help. I will >work on sorting out the right patch for my MacBook >(Pd-0.39.3-extended or EZ-7z_v.0.6_OSX?) and my new Chinese >off-brand camera over the weekend. Its not great but at least I have >some sort of camera now. Judy > From bk at [nospam] n3krozoft.com Wed Mar 26 13:33:43 2008 From: bk at [nospam] n3krozoft.com (bk) Date: Wed, 26 Mar 2008 13:33:43 +0100 Subject: [aether] aether9 presentation + script comments In-Reply-To: <907949.37176.qm {a+} web50212.mail.re2.yahoo.com> References: <907949.37176.qm {a+} web50212.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <47EA42A7.7090008 {a+} n3krozoft.com> I'll be online this evening at 7pm CET until late. Sorry for not replying earlier. I think combining rehearsal/discussion/presentation is fantastic! So as far i understand that there'll be at least Chlo?, Chris, Manu and me live and direct. Great to have the skype discussion beamed. See you soon, Boris ::audrey:: wrote: > 0-----0 aether9 presentation | workshop 0-----0 > this relates to rehearsal times as well. i elaborate. > i have been thinking, as judy remarked regarding presenting aether9, > about 'what we are doing'. i had an interview at KHM (media arts > academy in cologne) in which they were interested to hear about the > project. the explanation process combined with the directions they are > opening up at the academy (space scenography), and the conversations > with paula got my brain-a-thinking. what are we doing? why? etc. one > aspect of these performances is indeed the interfacing between > 'remote' and 'local'. we are also exploring the narrative and > dramaturgical possibilities of internet protocols. > in this vein i was prompted to write a short text which i am now > tailoring to a) a presentation b) a workshop (more on workshop in > following mail) > > judy, in terms of what you are planning for your presentation perhaps > we can co-brain on this one... > > next wednesday i am asked to present the aether9 project to bachelor > degree students in fine arts/media of the rietveld academy (3 hours > slot). the students # will be between 20-40 and their > 'computer'/performance/media knowledge ranges from very little to > alot. the idea is to present the historical background (telematic art, > etc) and then the project itself for the first part. during this time, > it would be fantastic to have a few aethernauts present on skype to > comment/add/disagree to what i am saying (i'd be on skype voice > conference call with you and the chat projected with beamer) - > reminiscent of vj-theory chat. in the second part i can imagine that > we begin to play around with a few possible interactions between > frames for the coming scenario during which the students are our > audience. a rehearsal with an audience. i will relay their comments to > the chat, they get a feel of networked 'rehearsals', communications, > script developement over internet protocols, and the like... etc. > > questions: > - can anyone be available remotely? [wednesday 26th from 19:15-22:15]. > - what do you think of combining rehearsal/discussion/presentation? > note: > for the presentation there would be no money involved for remote > participants (i get a bit but hardly enough to distribute after travel > expenses)- but for the workshop i propose definitely yes (just to be > clear that i don't think we should work for free as it might have been > understood in past mails). > > below rough text for presentation (information students receive prior > to event giving context) : feedback appreciated (on all levels, be it > grammar or concept). > > ------ > Aether9 presentation : > > *?ther9: > ?ther9 is a collaborative art project exploring the field of realtime > video transmission. It was initiated in May 2007 during a workshop at > the Mapping Festival in Geneva, Switzerland. > > Developed by an international group of visual artists and collectives > working in different locations (Europe, North and South America) and > communicating solely through the Internet, ?ther9 is a framework for > networked video/audio performance, and the collaborative development > of dramarturgical rules particular to Internet modes of communication. > > The system functions as an open platform for participants of any > technical level to transmit imagery in real-time and interact through > a structured narrative performance questioning the issues of > presence/absence, remote/local, identity and intimacy in the context > of the electronic space. > > *Context: > The elaboration of our virtual identities as well as the collaborative > artistic process is nowadays mediated by email, VOIP (i.e. Skype), > IRC, blogs as well as social networking sites (i.e. MySpace). It > becomes increasingly difficult to define 'reality' and 'virtuality' in > the traditional sense. It is therefore necessary to explore the > qualitative spatiality of 'the virtual' and especially how the later > can be interfaced with what was traditionally called 'reality'. This > interfacing process also involves the exploration of the > boundaries/overlapping of these worlds. > > Internet protocols are commonplace modes of communication for > collaborative storytelling, yet the results of 'distributed > authorship' can often still be described as a: "fat tome of Joycean > pretensions that [delves] deep into the poetics of disembodied > collaboration and weightless network rambling"[1] as described by > Artist Hank Bull already in 1983 (participant in _La Plissure du > Texte_). As these technologies have become prevalent, now a 'sine qua > non' of contemporary culture, it has become essential to understand > the limitations and possibilities these protocols afford and there > affect on modes of narration (i.e. non-linear storytelling). > > [1] : http://telematic.walkerart.org/timeline/timeline_shanken.html > > *Schedule/program: > -Presentation of ?ther9 project and its context (some ?ther9 members > also remotely present via Skype conference call) > -?ther9 rehearsal : students are invited to actively participate in > the rehearsal via the chat or by uploading images (jam session). > -End: short round table discussion about impressions of the > limitations and possibilities of the communication modes and > technology used. > > *Links: > ?ther9 site: http://1904.cc/aether/ > ?ther9 WIKI: http://1904.cc/timeline/tiki-index.php?page=%C3%A6ther9 > Intercontinental Skype Discussion with VJ Theory: Future Directions : > http://www.vjtheory.net/teas-textchat-26-05-2007.htm > Telematic art: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Telematic_art > > *?ther9 participants : (i took out geneva collective bit... think it > is not really 'current') > Audrey Samson (Rotterdam, NL) - http://ideacritik.com > Amirali Ghasemi (Tehran, Iran) - http://amiralionly.com - > http://parkingallery.com > Christiaan Cruz (Yorba Linda, California, USA) - > http://zurcnaaitsirhc.blogspot.com > cym (Walkersdorf, Austria) - http://cym.net - http://wd8.org > Alejandro Duque (Luzern, CH) - http://giss.tv - [k.0]_lab - planktum > Manuel Schmalstieg (Geneva, CH) - http://n3krozoft.com/ > N3krozoft Group Brussels [Boris Kish, Chlo? Cramer, Laure Deselys] - > http://n3krozoft.com > Nathalie Fougeras (Brussels, B) - http://nathaliefougeras.org/Liens2 > Judy Nylon (UK/USA) - http://myspace.com/judynylon > Paula V?lez (Medellin, Colombia) - http://pinkblackpantera.wordpress.com > The League of Imaginary Scientists (Los Angeles, USA) - > http://imaginaryscience.org > Luka Prin?i? (Rakitna, Slovenia) - http://viator.si > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > D?couvrez les styles qui font sensation sur * Yahoo! Qu?bec Avatars* > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > _______________________________________________ > aether mailing list > aether at [nospam] 1904.cc > http://lists.1904.cc/mailman/listinfo/aether > From ideacritik at [nospam] yahoo.ca Wed Mar 26 14:16:12 2008 From: ideacritik at [nospam] yahoo.ca (::audrey::) Date: Wed, 26 Mar 2008 06:16:12 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [aether] Re : aether9 presentation + script comments Message-ID: <873030.89150.qm {a+} web50212.mail.re2.yahoo.com> im off to take the train - see some of you around 20:15 + audrey ----- Message initial ---- > De : bk > ? : //// collaborative networked performance //// > Envoy? le : mercredi 26 mars 2008, 13 h 33 min 43 s > Objet : Re: [aether] aether9 presentation + script comments > > I'll be online this evening at 7pm CET until late. > Sorry for not replying earlier. > I think combining rehearsal/discussion/presentation is fantastic! > So as far i understand that there'll be at least Chlo?, Chris, Manu and > me live and direct. > Great to have the skype discussion beamed. > See you soon, > Boris > > > ::audrey:: wrote: > > 0-----0 aether9 presentation | workshop 0-----0 > > this relates to rehearsal times as well. i elaborate. > > i have been thinking, as judy remarked regarding presenting aether9, > > about 'what we are doing'. i had an interview at KHM (media arts > > academy in cologne) in which they were interested to hear about the > > project. the explanation process combined with the directions they are > > opening up at the academy (space scenography), and the conversations > > with paula got my brain-a-thinking. what are we doing? why? etc. one > > aspect of these performances is indeed the interfacing between > > 'remote' and 'local'. we are also exploring the narrative and > > dramaturgical possibilities of internet protocols. > > in this vein i was prompted to write a short text which i am now > > tailoring to a) a presentation b) a workshop (more on workshop in > > following mail) > > > > judy, in terms of what you are planning for your presentation perhaps > > we can co-brain on this one... > > > > next wednesday i am asked to present the aether9 project to bachelor > > degree students in fine arts/media of the rietveld academy (3 hours > > slot). the students # will be between 20-40 and their > > 'computer'/performance/media knowledge ranges from very little to > > alot. the idea is to present the historical background (telematic art, > > etc) and then the project itself for the first part. during this time, > > it would be fantastic to have a few aethernauts present on skype to > > comment/add/disagree to what i am saying (i'd be on skype voice > > conference call with you and the chat projected with beamer) - > > reminiscent of vj-theory chat. in the second part i can imagine that > > we begin to play around with a few possible interactions between > > frames for the coming scenario during which the students are our > > audience. a rehearsal with an audience. i will relay their comments to > > the chat, they get a feel of networked 'rehearsals', communications, > > script developement over internet protocols, and the like... etc. > > > > questions: > > - can anyone be available remotely? [wednesday 26th from 19:15-22:15]. > > - what do you think of combining rehearsal/discussion/presentation? > > note: > > for the presentation there would be no money involved for remote > > participants (i get a bit but hardly enough to distribute after travel > > expenses)- but for the workshop i propose definitely yes (just to be > > clear that i don't think we should work for free as it might have been > > understood in past mails). > > > > below rough text for presentation (information students receive prior > > to event giving context) : feedback appreciated (on all levels, be it > > grammar or concept). > > > > ------ > > Aether9 presentation : > > > > *?ther9: > > ?ther9 is a collaborative art project exploring the field of realtime > > video transmission. It was initiated in May 2007 during a workshop at > > the Mapping Festival in Geneva, Switzerland. > > > > Developed by an international group of visual artists and collectives > > working in different locations (Europe, North and South America) and > > communicating solely through the Internet, ?ther9 is a framework for > > networked video/audio performance, and the collaborative development > > of dramarturgical rules particular to Internet modes of communication. > > > > The system functions as an open platform for participants of any > > technical level to transmit imagery in real-time and interact through > > a structured narrative performance questioning the issues of > > presence/absence, remote/local, identity and intimacy in the context > > of the electronic space. > > > > *Context: > > The elaboration of our virtual identities as well as the collaborative > > artistic process is nowadays mediated by email, VOIP (i.e. Skype), > > IRC, blogs as well as social networking sites (i.e. MySpace). It > > becomes increasingly difficult to define 'reality' and 'virtuality' in > > the traditional sense. It is therefore necessary to explore the > > qualitative spatiality of 'the virtual' and especially how the later > > can be interfaced with what was traditionally called 'reality'. This > > interfacing process also involves the exploration of the > > boundaries/overlapping of these worlds. > > > > Internet protocols are commonplace modes of communication for > > collaborative storytelling, yet the results of 'distributed > > authorship' can often still be described as a: "fat tome of Joycean > > pretensions that [delves] deep into the poetics of disembodied > > collaboration and weightless network rambling"[1] as described by > > Artist Hank Bull already in 1983 (participant in _La Plissure du > > Texte_). As these technologies have become prevalent, now a 'sine qua > > non' of contemporary culture, it has become essential to understand > > the limitations and possibilities these protocols afford and there > > affect on modes of narration (i.e. non-linear storytelling). > > > > [1] : http://telematic.walkerart.org/timeline/timeline_shanken.html > > > > *Schedule/program: > > -Presentation of ?ther9 project and its context (some ?ther9 members > > also remotely present via Skype conference call) > > -?ther9 rehearsal : students are invited to actively participate in > > the rehearsal via the chat or by uploading images (jam session). > > -End: short round table discussion about impressions of the > > limitations and possibilities of the communication modes and > > technology used. > > > > *Links: > > ?ther9 site: http://1904.cc/aether/ > > ?ther9 WIKI: http://1904.cc/timeline/tiki-index.php?page=%C3%A6ther9 > > Intercontinental Skype Discussion with VJ Theory: Future Directions : > > http://www.vjtheory.net/teas-textchat-26-05-2007.htm > > Telematic art: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Telematic_art > > > > *?ther9 participants : (i took out geneva collective bit... think it > > is not really 'current') > > Audrey Samson (Rotterdam, NL) - http://ideacritik.com > > Amirali Ghasemi (Tehran, Iran) - http://amiralionly.com - > > http://parkingallery.com > > Christiaan Cruz (Yorba Linda, California, USA) - > > http://zurcnaaitsirhc.blogspot.com > > cym (Walkersdorf, Austria) - http://cym.net - http://wd8.org > > Alejandro Duque (Luzern, CH) - http://giss.tv - [k.0]_lab - planktum > > Manuel Schmalstieg (Geneva, CH) - http://n3krozoft.com/ > > N3krozoft Group Brussels [Boris Kish, Chlo? Cramer, Laure Deselys] - > > http://n3krozoft.com > > Nathalie Fougeras (Brussels, B) - http://nathaliefougeras.org/Liens2 > > Judy Nylon (UK/USA) - http://myspace.com/judynylon > > Paula V?lez (Medellin, Colombia) - http://pinkblackpantera.wordpress.com > > The League of Imaginary Scientists (Los Angeles, USA) - > > http://imaginaryscience.org > > Luka Prin?i? (Rakitna, Slovenia) - http://viator.si > > > > > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > D?couvrez les styles qui font sensation sur * Yahoo! Qu?bec Avatars* > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > > > _______________________________________________ > > aether mailing list > > aether at [nospam] 1904.cc > > http://lists.1904.cc/mailman/listinfo/aether > > > _______________________________________________ > aether mailing list > aether at [nospam] 1904.cc > http://lists.1904.cc/mailman/listinfo/aether > D?couvrez les styles qui font sensation sur Yahoo! Qu?bec Avatars. http://cf.avatars.yahoo.com/ From favela-studio at cave12.org Wed Mar 26 15:17:29 2008 From: favela-studio at cave12.org (favela-studio at cave12.org) Date: Wed, 26 Mar 2008 15:17:29 +0100 Subject: [aether] hello everybody! Message-ID: <1206541049-994cc1e00ec3b7447fe8cf72af328ba2 {a+} cave12.org> I can t follow you in this adventure you are really far away in your work I cant update my mind with all yours informations in this moment happily I have a lot of work as curator and I cant give good time for aether so I ask to be "puting out"of your project. love and peace!!! I have informations about festivals or expositions I ll will send you :-0 From theleague at [nospam] imaginaryscience.org Wed Mar 26 16:36:33 2008 From: theleague at [nospam] imaginaryscience.org (The League of Imaginary Scientists) Date: Wed, 26 Mar 2008 08:36:33 -0700 Subject: [aether] new script proposal In-Reply-To: <47DC006C.2010407 {a+} n3krozoft.com> Message-ID: I've been swamped and just got through the latest Aether correspondence - wow, I really like the playful elements of this script, fusing fairy tale and media theory. I would like to participate in some form and will try to be online later today, though I have meetings during tonight's talk so it may be difficult to really "be there." I could make a physical artifact to accompany the piece - perhaps an illustrated product manual for the interrelationship between experience, goods, and services - but using the playful imagery from the script. What do you think? For example, using those text categories with arrows in a food chain sort of way, to explain an image-based assembly line - with explanations associated with the performance and script - Experience could be the image of a girl walking in the woods. Would like to develop these ideas with you, so that the layering of playful performance and theoretical underpinning could take form in something physical - kind of a viewing tool. (recall Judy's suggestion of some kind of experimental playbill for this purpose) Maybe - A Manual for Meaning, or Allegory Production Line ...Lucy On 3/15/08 9:59 AM, "bk" wrote: > Hi all, > I throw a script idea here. Still needs lots of input fortunately. I > believe now that it would be better to do twice the same script for the > 2 april performances. > > --- > > It is a first draft sort of inspired by the LRRH tale, an essay from Lev > Manovich, sites like livejasmin.com and elements of our previous > discussions. I also had a meeting with Chlo? in a brussels bar yesterday > night where we discussed this. > This requires 5 live performers. I guess that it would last about 40 > minutes. > > > LAYERS >> remember the first script, i think we all liked the 3 layers: Gods / > Stratosphere / underworld. I think we mostly liked it and in this > proposal, there are also layers. But not so rigid: at times the fixed > clear structure is broken when the performers decide to upload their > images to another frame. There would be set moments for this principle, > it would be chaotic (like an unpredictable frame battle - easy to do for > the max-patch users, i don't know for performers who use another upload > system) > (check Lev Manovich essay "Interaction as an Aesthetic Event" (2007), > found the other day on manovich.net, a short must read that i attach it > to this mail. Key quote: "Command-line interfaces "deliver the goods", > that is, they focus on pure functionality and utility. GUI (Graphic User > Interface) adds "service" to interfaces (like mac OS9). And at next > stage, interfaces become "experiences" (like mac OSX) " (it helped me to > imagine the 3 layers as: "goods / services / experiences" but i don't > think we should remember this for a performance script really). > > > TOP LAYER (frames 1,2,3) - experiences > the Little Red Riding Hood >> must attract all 5 senses. >> Shows 1 girl doing the webcam thing (check www.livejasmin.com to get > the idea...) - her body is spread out on 3 frames, in the illogical > horizontally way (assuming the girl is sitting and not laying on a > matress for example, but she could switch positions of course): > frame 1: head and shoulders > frame 2: chest to tights > frame 3: legs > (This requires 3 cameras and 3 computers!) >> Differently colored frames (Godard's "Contempt" / "Le m?pris" style lol) >> The girl is "typographed": lighten by a video-beamer (projector) if > available: light, images and texts (screen surface would be the skin, > the clothes and the wall in the background). Magical transparency etc. >> The girl would wear red cape at times. >> Live stream would be the sound environnement (spoken interactions > between girls, with the technical assistant(s) and sounds from their > surroundings). >> A different girl could appear at times (i mean that they could > switch, on location of the shooting: people on livesjasmin.com often > operate from studios where different people work) >> nb: I talked with Chlo? who is enthusiastic for doing this part! And > in bruxelles it would be totally feasible without big organisation fuzz > to have 3 cameras and 3 computers for the 3 part upload. So we can > assume that brussels could do this sort of complicate part :-) > > > MIDDLE LAYER (frames 4,5,6) - services >> The Hunter, The Wolf, and other persons/things (grandmother? Dolls? > Objects? central frame 5 could be a webcam highway all the time?) / > could be the people through wich the tale is carried and transmitted / > could be the people looking at the kind of peepshow / the forest / the house >> The Wolf: a person could be disguised in wolf, wild and chaotic. > Undecipherable. Basic instincts. >> The Hunter: could be disguised with mustache, hat with feather, > riffle. Could spend a lot of time cleaning his gun. > > > LOWER LAYER (frames 7,8,9) - goods > The transmission operator (frame 8) + 2 text frames (frames 7 + 9) >> The Operator frame is played at the Mapping festival. He is in front > of an old-fashionned greyish computer screen.He is the person managing > the live Skype chat (that should be projected at Mapping). He has a desk > with a lot of stuff around, like a police inspector (i am thinking of > the police office at the end of "The Usual Suspects: crowded with > pictures, notes, etc - here all these documents would relate to the LRRH > case of course). >> black and white image only. >> The Operator becomes mad when the frames change of place, when it is > chaotic. Hence he would appear as a puppet-master whose puppets aren't > obedient. Also as the manager of the webcam girl. I imagine he would > have a eastern-mafia feel. >> He gives orders at time to the girl of top layer (with text). > > NARRATIVE > So far i've described mostly stuctural elements. But i feel we need > actions. Like sketches. Series of little interactions (like in the last > performance when there's the "murder with the typingmachine" betwwen 2 > frames). What will be doing :-) ? > This needs a lot of development. Here are a couple ideas: > >> When the Wolf catches the LRRH (by going up a ladder and exiting his > frame by the top? bof...) , a curtain could come down on the LRRH (like > when they do a private show in web-peepshows - well of course the morale > of the the LRRH story can be read as: the LRRH shall have a lover (the > wolf) before marriage (with the hunter)... > >> END: for the grand finale, i imagine with pleasure a big showdown > (after a tense preparation time, like in westerns), with everybody > shooting against everybody, and constantly changing of frames, so it > would be a shooting chaotic ballet (before everybody going back to it's > or?ginal frame for the salutes - where the assistants also come in the > image to salute). > >> There should be a moment of eating alltogether. > >> Text: in 1 text frame, the text could be a chat session between the > LRRH, the hunter and the Wolf. They could be rambling over their great > memories of they recall from their story, and the operator could be > there as well (live on the skype-chat and somebody remote would take > care to upload the logs into the text frame or we could write this chat > session in advance and somebody would upload it as well.) > (n3krozoft did a performance with images of a chatter and the chat: > http://www.n3krozoft.com/projects/art/lol/index.html# > In the other text frame, something totally different could be going on. > >> I guess that to emphasize the actual LRRH tale, we could upload > images from books / illustrations / drawings / dolls / films / comics > etc. on the theme - or not on the theme actually :-) > >> SOUND: i imagine BliscappenVonMaria could do "musique descriptive", > i mean develop expressionistic themes around the themes of the LRRH. > > //////// > > I believe this structure is an invitation to a lot of playfullness and > inventions. > For instance the roles between the LRRH and the Wolf(es) can be inverted > at some point. The LRRH could turn into a big eater, in a very > disgusting way (dirty or jung food only, and alcohol) - well just a > random thought. > > Please don't hesitate to tell clearly your critics. If negative, please > propose other concrete directions. Or if you wish to bring it to an all > other level or direction, let's share ideas! > > > /////// > > PARTICIPANTS & DATES: > > > Confirmed for Festival de la Imagen (but we still need a date): >> Boris (i'm available at almost any time this week) >> Paula > > > Confirmed for Mapping (19th April, we don't know at what time yet): >> Boris + Manu team >> Chris >> Chlo? >> Bliscappen music band > > ////////// > > See you soon, > Boris > The League of Imaginary Scientists From bk at [nospam] n3krozoft.com Wed Mar 26 19:07:46 2008 From: bk at [nospam] n3krozoft.com (bk) Date: Wed, 26 Mar 2008 19:07:46 +0100 Subject: [aether] performances notices / review please In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <47EA90F2.6090609 {a+} n3krozoft.com> i started to write a very short notice for each performance. Please everybody have a look at it and add/edit it so we can put it online on the site, as a short comment for each performance maybe. B /// aether9 performance list (chronological): 2007.05.03 Mapping festival (Geneva) > narrative: Hero Nicolas Tesla steals the secret of aether from the Gods, embarks on numerous adventures and undergoes a serie of transformations. > kewords: "Nicolas Tesla", "pseudo", "science", "mythology" 2007.06.14 MAAC gallery (Brussels) > narrative: Based on the Grimm's tale "The Girl Without Hands", this performance was staged in Brussels together with a storyteller improvising on the tale mixed with a scholar lecturing on the art of patching. > keywords: "fairy", "tale", "Grimm brothers" 2007.07.02 "Conference from the Antipodes" (Rotterdam) > narrative: 15 minute mysterious conference call between 3 remote performers. > keywords: "sparkling water", "phone call", "map searching", "successfull intelligence effort" 2007.07.07 culinary_performance > narrative: a shared meal between performers located on a couple of different continents. Celebration of the remarquable date of 07/07/07. > keywords: "dada", "meal", "social events" 2007.07.19 pleven_hotel_bulgaria > narrative: mostly conceptual performance, a reflexion on everyday consumption objects and luxury ojects: search/consume/share > keywords: 2007.10.04 sputnik_day > narrative: minimalistic performance celebrating the 50th anniversary of the launch of the sputnik satellite. > keywords: "sputnik", "anniversary" 2007.10.26 WORM (netherlands) > narrative: Nicolas Tesla embarks in a Bondesque adventure on a train, escaping his lover and his ennemies. > keywords: "double", "triple", 2007.11.09 Tremor Festival (?) (Bogota) > narrative: (similar to the WORM performance) > keywords: 2007.12. Ghost Trio, Videomedeja Festival (Novi Sad, Serbia) > narrative: adaptation of Beckett's play "Ghost Trio" > keywords: "Beckett" 2008.02. CMYK (Imal, Brussels) > narrative: (how to put it in a sentence?) > keywords: "card games", "chance", From bk at [nospam] n3krozoft.com Wed Mar 26 22:43:08 2008 From: bk at [nospam] n3krozoft.com (bk) Date: Wed, 26 Mar 2008 22:43:08 +0100 Subject: [aether] next rehearsal In-Reply-To: References: <784646.43002.qm {a+} web62312.mail.re1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <47EAC36C.4090902 {a+} n3krozoft.com> hi all, can we plan a rehearsal and script advancment session on next saturday 6pm CET? attached to this mail is the chat session we had during the public rehearsal/discussion. see you soon, b -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.1904.cc/pipermail/aether/attachments/20080326/e2ead31b/attachment.html From knickerbockerjuju at [nospam] yahoo.com Wed Mar 26 22:53:47 2008 From: knickerbockerjuju at [nospam] yahoo.com (Judy Nylon) Date: Wed, 26 Mar 2008 14:53:47 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [aether] performances notices / fixed a bit & added a bit....JN In-Reply-To: <47EA90F2.6090609 {a+} n3krozoft.com> Message-ID: <587464.74338.qm {a+} web62303.mail.re1.yahoo.com> Hi, I will think about CMYK and try to put it into a few words. Sorry I couldn't be available this afternoon. I am working on the doll house. My action in LRRH is this: starting with an empty doll house , I will build the six room tableau of objects related to LRRH (sex, death, old age, puberty, gender, fear) on camera trying to use my hands to suggest the operator-manipulator mentioned in the original idea. I will also have close ups, still images of the rooms completely assembled to use as intercut material. I am OK with the action (in theory) but I still need to become familiar with the camera and MAX..I will try to rope Jonathan in to assist me as I have no tripod and only the two hands. JUDY bk wrote: i started to write a very short notice for each performance. Please everybody have a look at it and add/edit it so we can put it online on the site, as a short comment for each performance maybe. B /// aether9 performance list (chronological): 2007.05.03 Mapping Festival (Geneva) > narrative: Hero Nicolas Tesla steals the secret of aether from the Gods, embarks on numerous adventures and undergoes a series of transformations. > keywords: "Nicolas Tesla", "pseudo", "science", "mythology" 2007.06.14 MAAC Gallery (Brussels) > narrative: Based on the Grimm's tale "The Girl Without Hands", this performance was staged in Brussels together with a storyteller improvising on the tale mixed with a scholar lecturing on the art of patching. > keywords: "fairy", "tale", "Grimm brothers" 2007.07.02 "Conference from the Antipodes" (Rotterdam) > narrative: 15 minute mysterious conference call between 3 remote performers. > keywords: "sparkling water", "phone call", "map searching", "successful intelligence effort" 2007.07.07 Culinary_Performance WHERE???? > narrative: A shared meal between live performers located on a couple of different continents. Celebration of the remarkable date of 07/07/07. > keywords: "dada", "meal", "social events" 2007.07.19 pleven_hotel_bulgaria > narrative: A mostly conceptual performance: a reflexion on the everyday consumption objects and luxury objects, the visual glamor of the luxe and useless. The notion of use, the quantity produced vs the quantity needed in a social group which shares. Inclusion and exclusion in such a group. > keywords: "search" "consume" "share" "use" 2007.10.04 sputnik_day > narrative: A minimalistic performance celebrating the 50th anniversary of the launch of the sputnik satellite. The very recognizable audio signal of Sputnik as a sonic historical monument in yet another space. > keywords: "sputnik", "anniversary" "signal" 2007.10.26 WORM (netherlands) > narrative: Nicolas Tesla embarks in a Bondesque adventure on a train, elegantly escaping his lover and his enemies by becoming lost in motion. > keywords: "double", "triple", 2007.11.09 Tremor Festival (?) (Bogota) > narrative: (similar to the WORM performance) > keywords: 2007.12. Ghost Trio, Videomedeja Festival (Novi Sad, Serbia) > narrative: adaptation of Beckett's play 1976 TV play "Ghost Trio" > keywords: "Beckett" 2008.02. CMYK (Imal, Brussels) > narrative: (how to put it in a sentence?) > keywords: "card games", "chance", _______________________________________________ aether mailing list aether at [nospam] 1904.cc http://lists.1904.cc/mailman/listinfo/aether --------------------------------- Looking for last minute shopping deals? Find them fast with Yahoo! Search. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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URL: http://lists.1904.cc/pipermail/aether/attachments/20080327/e5dc41da/attachment.html From fe2cruz at [nospam] hotmail.com Thu Mar 27 01:45:14 2008 From: fe2cruz at [nospam] hotmail.com (christiaan cruz) Date: Wed, 26 Mar 2008 17:45:14 -0700 Subject: [aether] rehearal + Message-ID: friday would be better for me personally but if more people are available saturday +7pmCET I am cool wit dat here are some extra keywords that sound nice to me probably not good for tags, but nice to color the read. Mapping festival + philosophastering http://www.onelook.com/?w=%2A&loc=revfp2&clue=pseudo+science+mythology Antipodes + Isobath pleven_hotel_bulgaria + luxe From ciruela at [nospam] une.net.co Thu Mar 27 01:46:02 2008 From: ciruela at [nospam] une.net.co (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?Paula_V=E9lez_Bravo?=) Date: Wed, 26 Mar 2008 19:46:02 -0500 Subject: [aether] next rehearsal In-Reply-To: <3d22b5760803261701ya34eef8ve94109d75974ab55 {a+} mail.gmail.com> References: <784646.43002.qm {a+} web62312.mail.re1.yahoo.com> <47EAC36C.4090902 {a+} n3krozoft.com> <3d22b5760803261701ya34eef8ve94109d75974ab55 {a+} mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: Yes, me also, i'm available for the rehearsal. paula El 26/03/2008, a las 19:01, chlo? cramer escribi?: > I am available for the rehearsal at 7:30 pm, the soonest. > see you on saturday > Chlo? (--> pseudo: ana-lisa on the Skype-Chat) > > On Wed, Mar 26, 2008 at 10:43 PM, bk wrote: > hi all, > can we plan a rehearsal and script advancment session on next saturday > 6pm CET? > attached to this mail is the chat session we had during the public > rehearsal/discussion. > see you soon, > b > _______________________________________________ > aether mailing list > aether at [nospam] 1904.cc > http://lists.1904.cc/mailman/listinfo/aether -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.1904.cc/pipermail/aether/attachments/20080326/801407a5/attachment.html From ciruela at [nospam] une.net.co Thu Mar 27 02:12:55 2008 From: ciruela at [nospam] une.net.co (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?Paula_V=E9lez_Bravo?=) Date: Wed, 26 Mar 2008 20:12:55 -0500 Subject: [aether] rehearal + In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <04543D09-499B-4EC6-8F9D-3EA2210F78C3 {a+} une.net.co> i'm also available friday paula El 26/03/2008, a las 19:45, christiaan cruz escribi?: > > friday would be better for me personally > but if more people are available saturday +7pmCET I am cool wit dat > > here are some extra keywords that sound nice to me > probably not good for tags, but nice to color the read. > > Mapping festival + philosophastering > http://www.onelook.com/?w=%2A&loc=revfp2&clue=pseudo+science+mythology > > Antipodes + Isobath > > pleven_hotel_bulgaria + luxe > > _______________________________________________ > aether mailing list > aether at [nospam] 1904.cc > http://lists.1904.cc/mailman/listinfo/aether From chloecramer at [nospam] gmail.com Thu Mar 27 08:24:43 2008 From: chloecramer at [nospam] gmail.com (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?chlo=E9_cramer?=) Date: Thu, 27 Mar 2008 08:24:43 +0100 Subject: [aether] rehearal + In-Reply-To: <04543D09-499B-4EC6-8F9D-3EA2210F78C3 {a+} une.net.co> References: <04543D09-499B-4EC6-8F9D-3EA2210F78C3 {a+} une.net.co> Message-ID: <3d22b5760803270024v7970a24ica1013b8d561f555 {a+} mail.gmail.com> Friday I am not available before 10pm CET.*Chlo?* On Thu, Mar 27, 2008 at 2:12 AM, Paula V?lez Bravo wrote: > i'm also available friday > > > paula > > El 26/03/2008, a las 19:45, christiaan cruz escribi?: > > > > > friday would be better for me personally > > but if more people are available saturday +7pmCET I am cool wit dat > > > > here are some extra keywords that sound nice to me > > probably not good for tags, but nice to color the read. > > > > Mapping festival + philosophastering > > http://www.onelook.com/?w=%2A&loc=revfp2&clue=pseudo+science+mythology > > > > Antipodes + Isobath > > > > pleven_hotel_bulgaria + luxe > > > > _______________________________________________ > > aether mailing list > > aether at [nospam] 1904.cc > > http://lists.1904.cc/mailman/listinfo/aether > > _______________________________________________ > aether mailing list > aether at [nospam] 1904.cc > http://lists.1904.cc/mailman/listinfo/aether > -- Chlo? Cramer 57 av. des Casernes B-1040 Bruxelles Mobile : +32 (0)472 61 62 01 fixe: +32 (0)2 613 79 25 chloecramer at [nospam] gmail.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.1904.cc/pipermail/aether/attachments/20080327/0f0de002/attachment.html From 1.1 [*] 1904.cc Thu Mar 27 13:59:39 2008 From: 1.1 [*] 1904.cc (1.1.1904) Date: Thu, 27 Mar 2008 13:59:39 +0100 Subject: [aether] performance space colombia Message-ID: Hi again, Paula sent some pictures from the performance location in Manizales, Colombia. Since the pictures are big, I uploaded them here: http://1904.cc/~aether/archive/2008.04.Manizales/ and as Chris asked about more info regarding how to find public webcams via google, here is some info. See also http://1904.cc/~aether/kode/better_than_TV/ it's a patch that is useful for creating time-lapse video files from public webcams. best, manuel *** Finding other webcams: *** You can find many semi-public webcams by entering the appropriate search terms into google. Some of them are Java applets and cannot be imported easily into Max/Jitter. Others generate JPG files, which can be read without problem. Generally the URL can be obtained by ctrl-clicking on the image, as explained above. Typical terms for google-search: inurl:"MultiCameraFrame?Mode=" inurl:"axis-cgi/mjpg" inurl:jview.htm inurl:"ViewerFrame?Mode=" inurl:/control/userimage.html intitle:"V.Networks [Motion Picture(Java)" intitle:"TOSHIBA Network Camera - User Login" inurl:"user_single_view.htm" intitle:"my webcamXP server!" inurl:/home/homeJ.html inurl:sample/LvAppl/ Note that sometimes the URL requires some subtle editing... for instance, one quite popular network camera tends to give this URL: http://202.213.247.128/nphMotionJpeg?Resolution=320x240&Quality=Standard it cannot be read by jitter for some reason. But if you edit the URL to look like this: http://202.213.247.128/nphMotionJpeg/SnapshotJPEG?Resolution=640x480&Quality=Standard ...then the same camera can be imported (so you just need to edit the end of the URL). From ideacritik at [nospam] yahoo.ca Thu Mar 27 14:31:17 2008 From: ideacritik at [nospam] yahoo.ca (::audrey::) Date: Thu, 27 Mar 2008 06:31:17 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [aether] Re : rehearal + Message-ID: <412894.26846.qm {a+} web50207.mail.re2.yahoo.com> i am available around 9:30pm CET friday saturday is still a bit nebulous (i will try to mold my schedule around the rehearsal time if possible). audrey ps: i haven't formulated a 'debriefing' of yesterday's talk/presentation yet... i was so focused on questions and patch and talking taht i could barely follow. more on 'interfacing multi-chat + crowd + ...' later. pps: i fell asleep in the train on the way back and *nearly* had to spend the night in Dordrecht (which for those who don't know is what I would call 'a shit-kicker town' in which you don't want to get stuck in at 2am with nowhere to sleep and halling equipment...!!) :) ----- Message initial ---- De : chlo? cramer ? : //// collaborative networked performance //// Envoy? le : jeudi 27 mars 2008, 08 h 24 min 43 s Objet : Re: [aether] rehearal + Friday I am not available before 10pm CET.*Chlo?* On Thu, Mar 27, 2008 at 2:12 AM, Paula V?lez Bravo wrote: i'm also available friday paula El 26/03/2008, a las 19:45, christiaan cruz escribi?: > > friday would be better for me personally > but if more people are available saturday +7pmCET I am cool wit dat > > here are some extra keywords that sound nice to me > probably not good for tags, but nice to color the read. > > Mapping festival + philosophastering > http://www.onelook.com/?w=%2A&loc=revfp2&clue=pseudo+science+mythology > > Antipodes + Isobath > > pleven_hotel_bulgaria + luxe > > _______________________________________________ > aether mailing list > aether at [nospam] 1904.cc > http://lists.1904.cc/mailman/listinfo/aether _______________________________________________ aether mailing list aether at [nospam] 1904.cc http://lists.1904.cc/mailman/listinfo/aether -- Chlo? Cramer 57 av. des Casernes B-1040 Bruxelles Mobile : +32 (0)472 61 62 01 fixe: +32 (0)2 613 79 25 chloecramer at [nospam] gmail.com D?couvrez les styles qui font sensation sur Yahoo! Qu?bec Avatars. http://cf.avatars.yahoo.com/ -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.1904.cc/pipermail/aether/attachments/20080327/0efaa41e/attachment.html From ciruela at [nospam] une.net.co Thu Mar 27 17:48:36 2008 From: ciruela at [nospam] une.net.co (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?Paula_V=E9lez_Bravo?=) Date: Thu, 27 Mar 2008 11:48:36 -0500 Subject: [aether] WorkSHop in FIDIM In-Reply-To: <873030.89150.qm {a+} web50212.mail.re2.yahoo.com> References: <873030.89150.qm {a+} web50212.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Message-ID: Hi, Manu and everyone, There is also something in between a workshop and a streaming conference I'm planning to do in Festival de la Imagen. So i propose to bring at that workshop moment: (you just tell me what you think) 1. The posibility to the participants to test a patch and do somme streaming in a Test URL or some site built for this objective. 2. Conversation about the evolution and process of aether since the first performance in Mapping fest. 3. Everything using a projector with remote performers (aethernautes) online that will participate in this conference-workshop. 4. we can use one or two frames with sound from manu or someone remote online to interact, talk, chat. (i could make all translations from french to spanish, or it could be in english too i suposse). Just we must confirm this, define the lines of this workshop, and do something very cool explaining the ideas about this AETHER PATCH and interface. about net working, about the aesthetic questions, image and sound ideas.... So. Let me know what do you think about all this and who is going to participate. I think it is interesting to show how a lot of people at the same time in lots of locations could be in discusion on line, participating. reading and bringing ideas. see you soon Paula From ideacritik at [nospam] yahoo.ca Thu Mar 27 18:36:36 2008 From: ideacritik at [nospam] yahoo.ca (::audrey::) Date: Thu, 27 Mar 2008 10:36:36 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [aether] Re : WorkSHop in FIDIM Message-ID: <224857.99463.qm {a+} web50209.mail.re2.yahoo.com> i think this is a great idea and i would like to participate! (availability depending...) what is the time frame? how many days/hours? yesterday made me realise that the audience must be well introduced to the multi-level communication pipes of aether. some people are comfortable with a few screen projections of information thrown at them (chat/interface/patch), others not. which days will you be doing this paula? i think we should have a 'workshop' section on the site. i started writing a draft workshop plan which i would like to post to the list soon for comments/ideas/etc. therefore i am very excited to see how this shapes up paula. audrey ----- Message initial ---- > De : Paula V?lez Bravo > ? : //// collaborative networked performance //// > Envoy? le : jeudi 27 mars 2008, 17 h 48 min 36 s > Objet : Re: [aether] WorkSHop in FIDIM > > Hi, Manu and everyone, > > There is also something in between a workshop and a streaming > conference I'm planning to do in Festival de la Imagen. > > So i propose to bring at that workshop moment: (you just tell me what > you think) > > 1. The posibility to the participants to test a patch and do somme > streaming in a Test URL or some site built for this objective. > 2. Conversation about the evolution and process of aether since the > first performance in Mapping fest. > 3. Everything using a projector with remote performers (aethernautes) > online that will participate in this conference-workshop. > 4. we can use one or two frames with sound from manu or someone > remote online to interact, talk, chat. (i could make all translations > from french to spanish, or it could be in english too i suposse). > > Just we must confirm this, define the lines of this workshop, and do > something very cool explaining the ideas about this AETHER PATCH and > interface. about net working, about the aesthetic questions, image > and sound ideas.... > > So. Let me know what do you think about all this and who is going to > participate. > > I think it is interesting to show how a lot of people at the same > time in lots of locations could be in discusion on line, > participating. reading and bringing ideas. > > see you soon > > Paula > _______________________________________________ > aether mailing list > aether at [nospam] 1904.cc > http://lists.1904.cc/mailman/listinfo/aether > D?couvrez les styles qui font sensation sur Yahoo! Qu?bec Avatars. http://cf.avatars.yahoo.com/ From chloecramer at [nospam] gmail.com Thu Mar 27 19:47:00 2008 From: chloecramer at [nospam] gmail.com (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?chlo=E9_cramer?=) Date: Thu, 27 Mar 2008 19:47:00 +0100 Subject: [aether] Re : WorkSHop in FIDIM In-Reply-To: <224857.99463.qm {a+} web50209.mail.re2.yahoo.com> References: <224857.99463.qm {a+} web50209.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <3d22b5760803271147j10d6cc43v1e3d32a24210e99b {a+} mail.gmail.com> Hello, Yes! the workshop is interesting indeed. I started a project around memory where I wanted to introduced AEther in Cairo (Egypt), through a workshop (the dossier is called ProH_ finaldossier, on: http://1904.cc/~aether/material/ ) I didn't really thought of the exact way of conducting the workshop, but it seemed important to me to have a common thematic that will be explored with this tool. The question of the workshop duration (how many days/hours? as Audrey said) is the main limit... But if every participant comes with a simple idea he'd like to "frame", all the different aspect of the patch can be explored (uploading, live acting, coordination of an action). "yesterday made me realise that the audience must be well introduced to the multi-level communication pipes of aether. some people are comfortable with a few screen projections of information thrown at them (chat/interface/patch), others not." > I believe that the people can understand better when they do it themselves. So maybe it is good to make the introduction short and give time to the experimentation, so that questions find obvious answers. The main problem is that you'll need many computers... "define the lines of this workshop, and do something very cool explaining the ideas about this AETHER PATCH and interface" > There is a good introduction written by Boris and Manuel: http://1904.cc/~aether/material/ >>Project_Description.pdf Chlo? -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.1904.cc/pipermail/aether/attachments/20080327/8261d4ec/attachment.html From ideacritik at [nospam] yahoo.ca Thu Mar 27 19:49:14 2008 From: ideacritik at [nospam] yahoo.ca (::audrey::) Date: Thu, 27 Mar 2008 11:49:14 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [aether] aether9 {a+} RIETVELD Message-ID: <582743.87309.qm {a+} web50210.mail.re2.yahoo.com> hi, yesterday evening i made a presentation/demonstration about aether9 {a+} the Gerrit Rietveld Academie. (http://www.gerritrietveldacademie.nl/index.php?id=3) i began by giving a very broad his/hertory of dramaturgy very much inspired by Heide Hageb?ling's "Interactive Dramaturgies" (extremely Eurocentric also). it began with antiquity (Dionysian Theatre) and swiftly went over Medieval Mystery Plays and then to the Cinematic Avant-Garde. i then incorporated a presentation manu had already prepared which include such examples as 'Hole-in-Space' (great sound bit from that btw!), 'the World in 24hours', etc. i emphasised the artistic concerns of such projects and how they reflect early 20th century avant-garde/modernist concerns (see Bertold Brecht's ?The Radio as an Apparatus of Communication?). i then proceeded to explain aether9 -history (how it started and evolved) -showed a selection of performances in chronological order while commenting on how the project evolves, issues, etc. (i chose to show those that were documented - documentation of performances is a really weak point of ours i would say). after a short break i showed how the patch works while other aethernauts were rehearsing. i projected the interface on one screen and i projected the chat and patch on another screen (ah facilities!). while i was loosely explaining and showing how it works i was mostly unable to also read the chat dialogue. students were freely asking questions and following the chat (for the most part). this gave the students a feeling for the type of demands and limitations this mode of communication afforst. i tried to interface the students and the aethernauts but i found talking and typing almost impossible. had my voice been heard via skype it would have been easier. i thought it was great that the aethernauts were online, and found thepossibility of integrating this into a presentation promissing (voiceoption?). i think if its worked out in a way that moreinteraction could have happened between the local&remote, thiscould really add a dimension to a presentation, as well as a rehearsal! though some students seemed to view me as a chat (obsessed) fiend, theyslowly warmed to the idea that something was going on in parallel to myexplanations. it definitely added a layer. usually in talks whichproject simultaneous chats, there is a designated 'chatter' - whoanswers the online viewers' questions and interfaces with the localcrowd - next time this must happen! can't believe i did not think ofthis! the questions i had were not terribly interesting for the most part. i felt the audience was not very partial to 'new media' in general if one can speak of such a term. i found myself defending our position - the 'why' of our project - and explaining that what we do is not just obey technological fetischism, mainly because of our choice of 'low-tech' tools. i also found myself hashing-out the validity of 'networked performance' in general - which is a task i find most dissinteresting - as in - if one doesn't see the point in exploring all these strange technologies which massively shape how humans now interact on all levels... i *do* think its valid, and that its important to always be critical while exploring; being aware of particularities/repercussions of a medium (social/political). for the rest the feedback i got was that it was 'interesting', a bit 'compact' (too loaded perhaps? - aether9 project has so many levels one could talk for hours), and the history of dramaturgy & telematic art helpful (mainly in relation to the audience's prior knowledge), and that it would be interesting as a one week workshop in which students could elaborate a script, work with aethernauts, etc. i was also told this talk will be archived on the Rietveld website (the later part was recorded) - and some pictures are to be sent to me for documentation which i will of course put on the server. hope this recount is in someway interesting for further endeavours. in short, organise a designated chat person, and prepare the crowd well for the overload of 'media' (depending on the background of the audience of course). exhausted, audrey PS: i now stupidly remember that there was a fancy poster with the title of the presentation and etc. which i forgot to note... (so much for the intitul? Manu....) all i know is i presented to Bachelor deeltijd (part-time) students, which they call DOG-time (DOG-time faculty). PPPPPPPPS : Offrez un compte Flickr Pro ? vos amis et ? votre famille. http://www.flickr.com/gift/ From ideacritik at [nospam] yahoo.ca Thu Mar 27 20:01:36 2008 From: ideacritik at [nospam] yahoo.ca (::audrey::) Date: Thu, 27 Mar 2008 12:01:36 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [aether] Re : performances notices / review please Message-ID: <686161.83818.qm {a+} web50207.mail.re2.yahoo.com> i added a few suggestions/corrections ps this is a really good idea for the archive boris! > aether9 performance list (chronological): > > 2007.05.03 > Mapping festival (Geneva) > > narrative: Hero Nicolas Tesla steals the secret of aether from the > Gods, embarks on numerous adventures and undergoes a serie of > transformations. > > kewords: "Nicolas Tesla", "pseudo", "science", "mythology" Nikola Tesla (is the spelling) how about: Hero Nikola Tesla steals the secret of aether from the Gods, embarks on numerous adventures and undergoes a series of transformations in which he himself becomes aether/eternal inhabitant of the datastream. > > 2007.06.14 > MAAC gallery (Brussels) > > narrative: Based on the Grimm's tale "The Girl Without Hands", this > performance was staged in Brussels together with a storyteller > improvising on the tale mixed with a scholar lecturing on the art of > patching. > > keywords: "fairy", "tale", "Grimm brothers" > > 2007.07.02 > "Conference from the Antipodes" (Rotterdam) > > narrative: 15 minute mysterious conference call between 3 remote > performers. > > keywords: "sparkling water", "phone call", "map searching", > "successfull intelligence effort" what is this "successfull intelligence effort"? > > 2007.07.07 > culinary_performance > > narrative: a shared meal between performers located on a couple of > different continents. Celebration of the remarquable date of 07/07/07. > > keywords: "dada", "meal", "social events" > > 2007.07.19 > pleven_hotel_bulgaria > > narrative: mostly conceptual performance, a reflexion on everyday > consumption objects and luxury ojects: search/consume/share > > keywords: how about : Conceptual performance reflecting upon everyday disposable/consumer goods and 'luxury' objects. > > 2007.10.04 > sputnik_day > > narrative: minimalistic performance celebrating the 50th anniversary > of the launch of the sputnik satellite. > > keywords: "sputnik", "anniversary" > > 2007.10.26 > WORM (netherlands) > > narrative: Nicolas Tesla embarks in a Bondesque adventure on a train, > escaping his lover and his ennemies. > > keywords: "double", "triple", narrative: Protagonist flees her life, embarking in an adventure on the train, escaping the law and her lover. keywords: add "escape" > > 2007.11.09 > Tremor Festival (?) (Bogota) > > narrative: (similar to the WORM performance) > > keywords: > > 2007.12. > Ghost Trio, Videomedeja Festival (Novi Sad, Serbia) > > narrative: adaptation of Beckett's play "Ghost Trio" > > keywords: "Beckett" > > 2008.02. > CMYK (Imal, Brussels) > > narrative: (how to put it in a sentence?) > > keywords: "card games", "chance", > > > > _______________________________________________ > aether mailing list > aether at [nospam] 1904.cc > http://lists.1904.cc/mailman/listinfo/aether > D?couvrez les styles qui font sensation sur Yahoo! Qu?bec Avatars. http://cf.avatars.yahoo.com/ From chloecramer at [nospam] gmail.com Thu Mar 27 21:13:56 2008 From: chloecramer at [nospam] gmail.com (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?chlo=E9_cramer?=) Date: Thu, 27 Mar 2008 21:13:56 +0100 Subject: [aether] aether9 {a+} RIETVELD In-Reply-To: <582743.87309.qm {a+} web50210.mail.re2.yahoo.com> References: <582743.87309.qm {a+} web50210.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <3d22b5760803271313l524028d6p1035e6a6923dfb92 {a+} mail.gmail.com> thanks for this debriefing. it is interesting for future presentation.Introducing this project is not easy. it can be sexy for the audience to have a short presentation of the historical aspect of online performance, even if it adds "compact information", because it is also very visual. Manuel did a good conference in Brussels I heard. Interesting to have his point of view. ** Chlo? PS: Looking forward to discover Heide Hageb?lling's "Interactive dramaturgies". First time I hear of it. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.1904.cc/pipermail/aether/attachments/20080327/a4ac1500/attachment.html From knickerbockerjuju at [nospam] yahoo.com Thu Mar 27 23:18:16 2008 From: knickerbockerjuju at [nospam] yahoo.com (Judy Nylon) Date: Thu, 27 Mar 2008 15:18:16 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [aether] aether9 {a+} RIETVELD.....presentations In-Reply-To: <582743.87309.qm {a+} web50210.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <413096.44948.qm {a+} web62311.mail.re1.yahoo.com> This is great to understand! My presentation is at the Roger Smith Hotel PH {a+} Lexington Ave and 48th St NYC. Noon tomorrow. It is hosted by art critic Molly Barnes who had also booked me to speak (radio) in LA a while back. The audience is mostly older (than me) academics, ex-Beats, museum curators/foundation directors and people who are just bored and there for the free lunch. I have never been a teacher; in fact I have never really had an arts career plan. What is expected of me is a First Person & Personal history, a romp through 35 years of sedition and technology with the autodidacts at street level. If I give them Media Lab (I was born between Harvard and MIT and played Space War in AI at MIT, before there even was a media lab, at night while I was in Art School), then Punk with pictures and a couple of mp3s ....I will have a chance to explain Aether. The part of Audrey's overview that I must focus on is the SOCIAL....I too will use a slide-show of Live Aether screen grabs & the tech diagrams from the Aether site while explaining how we work together (the nature of dis-embodied relationship now.) They especially need to know about sharing/co-authorship, commissioning w/o object or even local performance, the set-up we have to pay ourselves and the alternative we have built to a pyramid system build under one artist....and WHY....what is this R & D for? What are the applications everyone can relate to. I am also not going to be able to drop into language they don't use. I was asked to do this off-line and to link the 'lines of thought' more than roll a history of 'media art' off the tip of my tongue. A lot of these people knew Nam June Paik! Only the social part and the tools are new to them. To explain "validity" by example....I tell them about the pensioners who used to sing WW2 songs in the pubs all over the UK and now sing the same songs once a week via Skype with their friends, whom they never see, from their nursing homes/assisted living thanks to somebody's art project. It is not subtle but within this group, there is immediate cognition of the practical. Beside which, my dears, I do so look forward to doing Beckett from my deathbed....hopefully many years from now. Wish me luck....I can already imagine them saying "Speak up...we can't hear you!" BUT, though I know workshops would be a great idea, I plead for them being as entertaining as possible.......like some of new the physics lectures on You Tube. SIGH, JUDY theyslowly warmed to the idea that something was going on in parallel to myexplanations. it definitely added a layer. usually in talks whichproject simultaneous chats, there is a designated 'chatter' - whoanswers the online viewers' questions and interfaces with the localcrowd - next time this must happen! can't believe i did not think ofthis! the questions i had were not terribly interesting for the most part. i felt the audience was not very partial to 'new media' in general if one can speak of such a term. i found myself defending our position - the 'why' of our project - and explaining that what we do is not just obey technological fetischism, mainly because of our choice of 'low-tech' tools. i also found myself hashing-out the validity of 'networked performance' in general - which is a task i find most dissinteresting - as in - if one doesn't see the point in exploring all these strange technologies which massively shape how humans now interact on all levels... i *do* think its valid, and that its important to always be critical while exploring; being aware of particularities/repercussions of a medium (social/political). --------------------------------- Be a better friend, newshound, and know-it-all with Yahoo! 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JUDY christiaan cruz wrote: friday would be better for me personally but if more people are available saturday +7pmCET I am cool wit dat here are some extra keywords that sound nice to me probably not good for tags, but nice to color the read. Mapping festival + philosophastering http://www.onelook.com/?w=%2A&loc=revfp2&clue=pseudo+science+mythology Antipodes + Isobath pleven_hotel_bulgaria + luxe _______________________________________________ aether mailing list aether at [nospam] 1904.cc http://lists.1904.cc/mailman/listinfo/aether --------------------------------- Never miss a thing. Make Yahoo your homepage. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.1904.cc/pipermail/aether/attachments/20080327/c21065d1/attachment.html From theleague at [nospam] imaginaryscience.org Thu Mar 27 21:22:59 2008 From: theleague at [nospam] imaginaryscience.org (The League of Imaginary Scientists) Date: Thu, 27 Mar 2008 13:22:59 -0700 Subject: [aether] Re : WorkSHop in FIDIM In-Reply-To: <224857.99463.qm {a+} web50209.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Message-ID: I too would like to be part of the workshop - would be fun! Perhaps we could work out a format for a workshop/classroom/lecture (maybe use for ISEA as well?) that we can reengage in for whatever format, whoever may be available... Thinking maybe we could have the Skype chat integrated into the grid? With screenshots? - that would be an interesting development! I would like to pursue that if there's interest... - Lucy /the League On 3/27/08 10:36 AM, "::audrey::" wrote: > i think this is a great idea and i would like to participate! (availability > depending...) > what is the time frame? how many days/hours? > yesterday made me realise that the audience must be well introduced to the > multi-level communication pipes of aether. some people are comfortable with a > few screen projections of information thrown at them (chat/interface/patch), > others not. > which days will you be doing this paula? > i think we should have a 'workshop' section on the site. > i started writing a draft workshop plan which i would like to post to the list > soon for comments/ideas/etc. therefore i am very excited to see how this > shapes up paula. > audrey > > > ----- Message initial ---- >> De : Paula V?lez Bravo >> ? : //// collaborative networked performance //// >> Envoy? le : jeudi 27 mars 2008, 17 h 48 min 36 s >> Objet : Re: [aether] WorkSHop in FIDIM >> >> Hi, Manu and everyone, >> >> There is also something in between a workshop and a streaming >> conference I'm planning to do in Festival de la Imagen. >> >> So i propose to bring at that workshop moment: (you just tell me what >> you think) >> >> 1. The posibility to the participants to test a patch and do somme >> streaming in a Test URL or some site built for this objective. >> 2. Conversation about the evolution and process of aether since the >> first performance in Mapping fest. >> 3. Everything using a projector with remote performers (aethernautes) >> online that will participate in this conference-workshop. >> 4. we can use one or two frames with sound from manu or someone >> remote online to interact, talk, chat. (i could make all translations >> from french to spanish, or it could be in english too i suposse). >> >> Just we must confirm this, define the lines of this workshop, and do >> something very cool explaining the ideas about this AETHER PATCH and >> interface. about net working, about the aesthetic questions, image >> and sound ideas.... >> >> So. Let me know what do you think about all this and who is going to >> participate. >> >> I think it is interesting to show how a lot of people at the same >> time in lots of locations could be in discusion on line, >> participating. reading and bringing ideas. >> >> see you soon >> >> Paula >> _______________________________________________ >> aether mailing list >> aether at [nospam] 1904.cc >> http://lists.1904.cc/mailman/listinfo/aether >> From cymnet at [nospam] gmail.com Fri Mar 28 10:46:31 2008 From: cymnet at [nospam] gmail.com (cym net) Date: Fri, 28 Mar 2008 10:46:31 +0100 Subject: [aether] aether9 {a+} RIETVELD In-Reply-To: <582743.87309.qm {a+} web50210.mail.re2.yahoo.com> References: <582743.87309.qm {a+} web50210.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <95c795f70803280246t1027770cwa0a22a381cc1d336 {a+} mail.gmail.com> Hey Audrey, thanx for the long, detailed description! I didn't know it was at Rietveld. That is were I studied, long time ago. > the questions i had were not terribly interesting for the most part. i felt the audience was not very partial to 'new media' in general if one can speak of such a term. i found myself defending our position - the 'why' of our project - and explaining that what we do is not just obey technological fetischism, mainly because of our choice of 'low-tech' tools. i also found myself hashing-out the validity of 'networked performance' in general - which is a task i find most dissinteresting - as in - if one doesn't see the point in exploring all these strange technologies which massively shape how humans now interact on all levels... i *do* think its valid, and that its important to always be critical while exploring; being aware of particularities/repercussions of a medium (social/political). I had a meeting the same day at the art school in Ljubljana where I teach sometimes. And also there, I have very similar experiences. I am usually teaching Webdesign there, and sometimes Flash, because that is what the students want.. But I keep pushing that the Internet is not just 'HTML, Dreamweaver and Flash'. There is a lot more. Aether9 is a very good example. I plan now to make a proposal of a series of workshops that give a much wider view of 'the Internet', for all the students that want to choose 'Web' as their main direction at this school. I think it is not so necessary to explain the 'Why' of our project. It is more important to show that their are artists that use the Internet in new, different ways. That are really exploring the possibilities and not just use it to present their offline-made videos. It is a very new field of online storytelling that we are exploring, and of course things are sometimes very experimental, or not working out the way we thought they would. But especially students who work (or want to work) in similar fields, should know about projects like this. The general background, history of dramaturgy is a good start, to place the aether9 project in a wider, historical context. During my last workshop HTML at the school in Ljubljana, I also shortly showed the Aether9 project. And for most of the students, it was something they had just never seen before. They hadn't even thought of using the Internet in that way. So also the questions I got were very basic. One question I remember that they asked, was 'How did you know how to install a webcam, where did you learn that?' It is hard to explain to students, that these are things that you learn on the Internet, simply because you like to do it... Anyway... Audrey, we will probably meet soon, when you are in Graz, so we can maybe exchange some more thoughts then about presenting Aether9. See you! cym On Thu, Mar 27, 2008 at 7:49 PM, ::audrey:: wrote: > hi, > yesterday evening i made a presentation/demonstration about aether9 {a+} the Gerrit Rietveld Academie. (http://www.gerritrietveldacademie.nl/index.php?id=3) > i began by giving a very broad his/hertory of dramaturgy very much inspired by Heide Hageb?ling's "Interactive Dramaturgies" (extremely Eurocentric also). it began with antiquity (Dionysian Theatre) and swiftly went over Medieval Mystery Plays and then to the Cinematic Avant-Garde. i then incorporated a presentation manu had already prepared which include such examples as 'Hole-in-Space' (great sound bit from that btw!), 'the World in 24hours', etc. i emphasised the artistic concerns of such projects and how they reflect early 20th century avant-garde/modernist concerns (see Bertold Brecht's ?The Radio as an Apparatus of Communication?). > i then proceeded to explain aether9 > -history (how it started and evolved) > -showed a selection of performances in chronological order while commenting on how the project evolves, issues, etc. (i chose to show those that were documented - documentation of performances is a really weak point of ours i would say). > after a short break i showed how the patch works while other aethernauts were rehearsing. i projected the interface on one screen and i projected the chat and patch on another screen (ah facilities!). > while i was loosely explaining and showing how it works i was mostly unable to also read the chat dialogue. students were freely asking questions and following the chat (for the most part). this gave the students a feeling for the type of demands and limitations this mode of communication afforst. i tried to interface the students and the aethernauts but i found talking and typing almost impossible. had my voice been heard via skype it would have been easier. i thought it was great that the aethernauts were online, and found thepossibility of integrating this into a presentation promissing (voiceoption?). i think if its worked out in a way that moreinteraction could have happened between the local&remote, thiscould really add a dimension to a presentation, as well as a rehearsal! > though some students seemed to view me as a chat (obsessed) fiend, theyslowly warmed to the idea that something was going on in parallel to myexplanations. it definitely added a layer. usually in talks whichproject simultaneous chats, there is a designated 'chatter' - whoanswers the online viewers' questions and interfaces with the localcrowd - next time this must happen! can't believe i did not think ofthis! > the questions i had were not terribly interesting for the most part. i felt the audience was not very partial to 'new media' in general if one can speak of such a term. i found myself defending our position - the 'why' of our project - and explaining that what we do is not just obey technological fetischism, mainly because of our choice of 'low-tech' tools. i also found myself hashing-out the validity of 'networked performance' in general - which is a task i find most dissinteresting - as in - if one doesn't see the point in exploring all these strange technologies which massively shape how humans now interact on all levels... i *do* think its valid, and that its important to always be critical while exploring; being aware of particularities/repercussions of a medium (social/political). > for the rest the feedback i got was that it was 'interesting', a bit 'compact' (too loaded perhaps? - aether9 project has so many levels one could talk for hours), and the history of dramaturgy & telematic art helpful (mainly in relation to the audience's prior knowledge), and that it would be interesting as a one week workshop in which students could elaborate a script, work with aethernauts, etc. > i was also told this talk will be archived on the Rietveld website (the later part was recorded) - and some pictures are to be sent to me for documentation which i will of course put on the server. > > hope this recount is in someway interesting for further endeavours. > in short, organise a designated chat person, and prepare the crowd well for the overload of 'media' (depending on the background of the audience of course). > > exhausted, > audrey > > PS: i now stupidly remember that there was a fancy poster with the title of the presentation and etc. which i forgot to note... (so much for the intitul? Manu....) > all i know is i presented to Bachelor deeltijd (part-time) students, which they call DOG-time (DOG-time faculty). > PPPPPPPPS : > > > > > Offrez un compte Flickr Pro ? vos amis et ? votre famille. > http://www.flickr.com/gift/ > _______________________________________________ > aether mailing list > aether at [nospam] 1904.cc > http://lists.1904.cc/mailman/listinfo/aether > From theleague at [nospam] imaginaryscience.org Fri Mar 28 16:53:09 2008 From: theleague at [nospam] imaginaryscience.org (The League of Imaginary Scientists) Date: Fri, 28 Mar 2008 08:53:09 -0700 Subject: [aether] aether9 {a+} RIETVELD In-Reply-To: <582743.87309.qm {a+} web50210.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Message-ID: Great to get your comments - sounds like a very good approach for a workshop. I presented a week-long workshop on telematics at CalArts in California in 2006, before Aether9 - perhaps the information I gathered on past network art would be useful as well: http://www.imaginaryscience.org/experiments.html - scroll down and select REMOTE TEA PARTY Cheers, LUCY On 3/27/08 11:49 AM, "::audrey::" wrote: > hi, > yesterday evening i made a presentation/demonstration about aether9 {a+} the > Gerrit Rietveld Academie. > (http://www.gerritrietveldacademie.nl/index.php?id=3) > i began by giving a very broad his/hertory of dramaturgy very much inspired by > Heide Hageb?ling's "Interactive Dramaturgies" (extremely Eurocentric also). it > began with antiquity (Dionysian Theatre) and swiftly went over Medieval > Mystery Plays and then to the Cinematic Avant-Garde. i then incorporated a > presentation manu had already prepared which include such examples as > 'Hole-in-Space' (great sound bit from that btw!), 'the World in 24hours', etc. > i emphasised the artistic concerns of such projects and how they reflect early > 20th century avant-garde/modernist concerns (see Bertold Brecht's ?The Radio > as an Apparatus of Communication?). > i then proceeded to explain aether9 > -history (how it started and evolved) > -showed a selection of performances in chronological order while commenting on > how the project evolves, issues, etc. (i chose to show those that were > documented - documentation of performances is a really weak point of ours i > would say). > after a short break i showed how the patch works while other aethernauts were > rehearsing. i projected the interface on one screen and i projected the chat > and patch on another screen (ah facilities!). > while i was loosely explaining and showing how it works i was mostly unable to > also read the chat dialogue. students were freely asking questions and > following the chat (for the most part). this gave the students a feeling for > the type of demands and limitations this mode of communication afforst. i > tried to interface the students and the aethernauts but i found talking and > typing almost impossible. had my voice been heard via skype it would have been > easier. i thought it was great that the aethernauts were online, and found > thepossibility of integrating this into a presentation promissing > (voiceoption?). i think if its worked out in a way that moreinteraction could > have happened between the local&remote, thiscould really add a dimension to a > presentation, as well as a rehearsal! > though some students seemed to view me as a chat (obsessed) fiend, theyslowly > warmed to the idea that something was going on in parallel to myexplanations. > it definitely added a layer. usually in talks whichproject simultaneous chats, > there is a designated 'chatter' - whoanswers the online viewers' questions and > interfaces with the localcrowd - next time this must happen! can't believe i > did not think ofthis! > the questions i had were not terribly interesting for the most part. i felt > the audience was not very partial to 'new media' in general if one can speak > of such a term. i found myself defending our position - the 'why' of our > project - and explaining that what we do is not just obey technological > fetischism, mainly because of our choice of 'low-tech' tools. i also found > myself hashing-out the validity of 'networked performance' in general - which > is a task i find most dissinteresting - as in - if one doesn't see the point > in exploring all these strange technologies which massively shape how humans > now interact on all levels... i *do* think its valid, and that its important > to always be critical while exploring; being aware of > particularities/repercussions of a medium (social/political). > for the rest the feedback i got was that it was 'interesting', a bit 'compact' > (too loaded perhaps? - aether9 project has so many levels one could talk for > hours), and the history of dramaturgy & telematic art helpful (mainly in > relation to the audience's prior knowledge), and that it would be interesting > as a one week workshop in which students could elaborate a script, work with > aethernauts, etc. > i was also told this talk will be archived on the Rietveld website (the later > part was recorded) - and some pictures are to be sent to me for documentation > which i will of course put on the server. > > hope this recount is in someway interesting for further endeavours. > in short, organise a designated chat person, and prepare the crowd well for > the overload of 'media' (depending on the background of the audience of > course). > > exhausted, > audrey > > PS: i now stupidly remember that there was a fancy poster with the title of > the presentation and etc. which i forgot to note... (so much for the intitul? > Manu....) > all i know is i presented to Bachelor deeltijd (part-time) students, which > they call DOG-time (DOG-time faculty). > PPPPPPPPS : > > > > > Offrez un compte Flickr Pro ? vos amis et ? votre famille. > http://www.flickr.com/gift/ > _______________________________________________ > aether mailing list > aether at [nospam] 1904.cc > http://lists.1904.cc/mailman/listinfo/aether The League of Imaginary Scientists From ciruela at [nospam] une.net.co Fri Mar 28 20:11:08 2008 From: ciruela at [nospam] une.net.co (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?Paula_V=E9lez_Bravo?=) Date: Fri, 28 Mar 2008 14:11:08 -0500 Subject: [aether] aether9 ustream In-Reply-To: <95c795f70803280246t1027770cwa0a22a381cc1d336 {a+} mail.gmail.com> References: <582743.87309.qm {a+} web50210.mail.re2.yahoo.com> <95c795f70803280246t1027770cwa0a22a381cc1d336 {a+} mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: Great all your comments about your personnal experiences in workshops, talk shows ;), conferences, dossiers and all. I' m preparing a document to organise the workshop we are going to do in Manizales festival using too all the stuff you have send me. It is very important to know all the point of view all of you have about this project. All documents are very illustratifs. Thanks. THe skype participation is a must. even i think we can use the patch and the aether sound streaming with one frame, also a frame text for someone else that want to make comments directly. I have a solution for see and hear everything from manizales ... see this link: http://ustream.tv/recorded/Wp9eVgPGolrsdnxjGnMvkw http://ustream.tv/recorded/Wp9eVgPGolrsdnxjGnMvkw http://ustream.tv/recorded/Wp9eVgPGolrsdnxjGnMvkw http://ustream.tv/recorded/Wp9eVgPGolrsdnxjGnMvkw but if you have another idea just tell me lets think about it.... Paula From theleague at [nospam] imaginaryscience.org Sat Mar 29 01:15:52 2008 From: theleague at [nospam] imaginaryscience.org (The League of Imaginary Scientists) Date: Fri, 28 Mar 2008 17:15:52 -0700 Subject: [aether] aether9 ustream In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Paula, I love love getting this video email! LUCY On 3/28/08 12:11 PM, "Paula V?lez Bravo" wrote: > Great all your comments about your personnal experiences in > workshops, talk shows ;), conferences, dossiers and all. > I' m preparing a document to organise the workshop we are going to do > in Manizales festival using too all the stuff you have send me. It is > very important to know all the point of view all of you have about > this project. > > All documents are very illustratifs. Thanks. > > THe skype participation is a must. even i think we can use the patch > and the aether sound streaming with one frame, also a frame text for > someone else that want to make comments directly. > > I have a solution for see and hear everything from manizales ... > see this link: > http://ustream.tv/recorded/Wp9eVgPGolrsdnxjGnMvkw > http://ustream.tv/recorded/Wp9eVgPGolrsdnxjGnMvkw > http://ustream.tv/recorded/Wp9eVgPGolrsdnxjGnMvkw > http://ustream.tv/recorded/Wp9eVgPGolrsdnxjGnMvkw > > but if you have another idea just tell me > > lets think about it.... > > Paula > > > _______________________________________________ > aether mailing list > aether at [nospam] 1904.cc > http://lists.1904.cc/mailman/listinfo/aether The League of Imaginary Scientists From ciruela at [nospam] une.net.co Sat Mar 29 02:39:16 2008 From: ciruela at [nospam] une.net.co (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?Paula_V=E9lez_Bravo?=) Date: Fri, 28 Mar 2008 20:39:16 -0500 Subject: [aether] aethernaute traveling In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Hi... I just want to announce that I have airplane tiquets to arrive in european territoire in june 13 (13/ 06/08) . And I'm goiing to stay until 19 / 08 /2008. Then we can planned things to do. I will be in Paris, but also in other cities. I must go to London, Madrid, and others. Lets do something. I'm planning to do some projets, developpe things and be cool too. Voil?. Paula V?lez From theleague at [nospam] imaginaryscience.org Sat Mar 29 02:51:22 2008 From: theleague at [nospam] imaginaryscience.org (The League of Imaginary Scientists) Date: Fri, 28 Mar 2008 18:51:22 -0700 Subject: [aether] aethernaute traveling In-Reply-To: Message-ID: I'll be in rome first two weeks of July - perhaps you are going there? We'll be working on a participatory city-building project & bike tour... http://www.rebuildingRome.com - LUCY On 3/28/08 6:39 PM, "Paula V?lez Bravo" wrote: > Hi... > > I just want to announce that I have airplane tiquets to arrive in > european territoire in june 13 (13/ 06/08) . And I'm goiing to stay > until 19 / 08 /2008. > > Then we can planned things to do. I will be in Paris, but also in > other cities. I must go to London, Madrid, and others. Lets do > something. > > I'm planning to do some projets, developpe things and be cool too. > > Voil?. > > Paula V?lez > _______________________________________________ > aether mailing list > aether at [nospam] 1904.cc > http://lists.1904.cc/mailman/listinfo/aether The League of Imaginary Scientists From ciruela at [nospam] une.net.co Sat Mar 29 04:24:48 2008 From: ciruela at [nospam] une.net.co (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?Paula_V=E9lez_Bravo?=) Date: Fri, 28 Mar 2008 22:24:48 -0500 Subject: [aether] aethernaute traveling In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <4BCDEBBC-111B-4CD3-968C-74F7605B9C9E {a+} une.net.co> probably yes, because i'm planning to go ? la toscanne... to see a friend and cinema professor and passe some days there, then i have some friends also in trieste that usually organise concerts... maybe i could play Vj there, i dont know. So if i could participate in this city building projet i could look for plane easyjet tiquets to have good offers.... I must go to england 13 of july then return 2 of august. we could see if the dates are ok... great! paula El 28/03/2008, a las 20:51, The League of Imaginary Scientists escribi?: > I'll be in rome first two weeks of July - perhaps you are going there? > We'll be working on a participatory city-building project & bike > tour... > http://www.rebuildingRome.com > > - LUCY > > On 3/28/08 6:39 PM, "Paula V?lez Bravo" wrote: > >> Hi... >> >> I just want to announce that I have airplane tiquets to arrive in >> european territoire in june 13 (13/ 06/08) . And I'm goiing to stay >> until 19 / 08 /2008. >> >> Then we can planned things to do. I will be in Paris, but also in >> other cities. I must go to London, Madrid, and others. Lets do >> something. >> >> I'm planning to do some projets, developpe things and be cool too. >> >> Voil?. >> >> Paula V?lez >> _______________________________________________ >> aether mailing list >> aether at [nospam] 1904.cc >> http://lists.1904.cc/mailman/listinfo/aether > > The League of Imaginary Scientists > > > _______________________________________________ > aether mailing list > aether at [nospam] 1904.cc > http://lists.1904.cc/mailman/listinfo/aether From ideacritik at [nospam] yahoo.ca Sat Mar 29 15:25:31 2008 From: ideacritik at [nospam] yahoo.ca (::audrey::) Date: Sat, 29 Mar 2008 07:25:31 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [aether] Re : aether9 ustream Message-ID: <455011.49321.qm {a+} web50211.mail.re2.yahoo.com> > I have a solution for see and hear everything from manizales ... > see this link: > http://ustream.tv/recorded/Wp9eVgPGolrsdnxjGnMvkw this is really great! PS - i havent' sorted this calendar thing yet - what time tonight? (i need to run and get a camera...) D?couvrez les styles qui font sensation sur Yahoo! Qu?bec Avatars. http://cf.avatars.yahoo.com/ From ciruela at [nospam] une.net.co Sat Mar 29 16:10:39 2008 From: ciruela at [nospam] une.net.co (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?Paula_V=E9lez_Bravo?=) Date: Sat, 29 Mar 2008 10:10:39 -0500 Subject: [aether] Re : aether9 ustream In-Reply-To: <455011.49321.qm {a+} web50211.mail.re2.yahoo.com> References: <455011.49321.qm {a+} web50211.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Message-ID: here there is another streaming tv possibility. without a "marque d'eau"... http://www.mogulus.com/ we must test it also. today i'm all day around my computer waiting for the meeting. paula El 29/03/2008, a las 9:25, ::audrey:: escribi?: > >> I have a solution for see and hear everything from manizales ... >> see this link: >> http://ustream.tv/recorded/Wp9eVgPGolrsdnxjGnMvkw > > this is really great! > > > PS - i havent' sorted this calendar thing yet - what time tonight? > (i need to run and get a camera...) > > > > > D?couvrez les styles qui font sensation sur Yahoo! Qu?bec > Avatars. > http://cf.avatars.yahoo.com/ > _______________________________________________ > aether mailing list > aether at [nospam] 1904.cc > http://lists.1904.cc/mailman/listinfo/aether -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.1904.cc/pipermail/aether/attachments/20080329/b8ff33c5/attachment.html From theleague at [nospam] imaginaryscience.org Sat Mar 29 16:17:22 2008 From: theleague at [nospam] imaginaryscience.org (The League of Imaginary Scientists) Date: Sat, 29 Mar 2008 08:17:22 -0700 Subject: [aether] electrosalon sandbox: TEAS intercontinental media arts+ performance discussion In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Hi Aethernauts ? I will be participating in this discussion about networked performances (April 16) directed by Camille Baker. Manuel and I participated in a group talk broadcast in Canada a while back ? I first connected with her through my article for the publication VJ Theory. This is a project that will begin as a formal discussion and then burgeon into a performance, likely. Read below and see if you are interested in partaking ? the number of participants may be limited (see Camille?s response below). The discussion, like the VJ Theory discussion that we circulated when it happened, will likely have a good structure: first they accumulate questions, then develop an agenda, and they have a moderator ? perhaps a model for our workshop/lectures ? and for ISEA? - LUCY /the League ------ Forwarded Message From: Camille Baker Date: Sat, 29 Mar 2008 12:39:04 +0000 To: The League of Imaginary Scientists Subject: Re: Join us for electrosalon sandbox: TEAS intercontinental media arts+ performance discussion Sure - i'll ask the group if we can accommodate more for the discussion ! I think the more the better, but there are some technological logistics that might be complicated... Yes let's connect with them, i think if they are involved somehow and for the summer event, that would be cool. Camille :. Camille Baker The Escape Artists Society Executive Director/ Curator www.escapeartists.ca camille at escapeartists.ca :. On 29 Mar 2008, at 00:20, The League of Imaginary Scientists wrote: > Also, Camille ? we?ve performed online with Aether9, an intercontinental open > performance collective, and they have many interested parties who use a > particular format of 9 squares to connect with and perform live scripts ? some > of them successful and some less so. Are you looking for additional > contributors to the discussion? I would be happy to connect them. > > Best, > Lucy > > On 3/28/08 1:43 PM, "Camille Baker" wrote: > > >> Hello Imaginary Scientists >> >> TEAS is still active and doing events intercontinentally and we are looking >> to bring together several groups/individuals in Canada, US, UK, Denmark, >> Norway and Portugal for a chat, or what we're calling "Sandbox" discussion, >> on various aspects of networked media and performance - its a discussion with >> a limited audience (invite only). >> >> We want to invite you at to participate in with us on April 16th - 10am PST >> (Vancouver), 1pm EST (Montreal/Boston), 6pm GMT (London /Falmouth/Portugal), >> and 7pm GMT +1 (Norway / Denmark). >> >> We have several proposed nodes - one in Montreal, one in Aarhus Denmark, one >> in Norway, one in Falmouth, England and one in London, England (me), one in >> Boston, and one in Portugal - that we want to connect for a chat first via >> iChat on April 16th. >> >> We will prepare some discussion questions for the sandbox and encourage you >> to have some as well. >> >> The goal is that we will be discussing networked performance issues in >> general, but also to prepare for a collaboratively or nodally curated, >> networked performance event, for this coming summer. The concept is that each >> group in each city will curate and organize a performance or two, and >> possibly some other networked or mobile performative activities or exhibition >> at their space and invite participants/ audience members to to attend their >> location and we will network the locations for one day for the event. >> >> The electroSalon event proposal for discussion is attached. >> >> >> Camille >> >> :. >> Camille Baker >> The Escape Artists Society >> Executive Director/ Curator >> www.escapeartists.ca >> >> camille at escapeartists.ca >> :. >> > > > ------ End of Forwarded Message -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.1904.cc/pipermail/aether/attachments/20080329/809db6ef/attachment.html -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Just listened again to Paula?s stream (I think it?s a great way to communicate and archive projects? development ? could make a very vital archive for future) & I had an idea! - you know those flip books with different heads and bottoms where you can flip through and create new figures? Been thinking about what artifact the League could make to support the LRRH performances, and about Judy?s suggestion to have a new kind of playbill ? what about a flip book that has information about Aether9 participants mixed in with the myth of LRRH? - an interactive playbill with the various panels representing different entities in Aether9 and descriptions (some of you could send a head, others a middle) and then other parts of it relating to the wolf ? have a wolf head and body, grandma legs, and little red-rh torso and cape... I could make it very simple where you print it out and the viewer makes the flip book themselves ? would have instructions, dotted lines for cutting, and a couple blank frames for them to add themselves into the narrative ? making it interactive... (maybe 9 pages of each section ? for aether 9?) - perhaps these visuals ? as graphics ? could also play at random on-screen before and after the actual show? What do you think? ! LUCY On 3/29/08 8:10 AM, "Paula V?lez Bravo" wrote: > here there is another streaming tv possibility. > > without a "marque d'eau"... > > http://www.mogulus.com/ > > we must test it also. > > today i'm all day around my computer waiting for the meeting. > > > paula > > El 29/03/2008, a las 9:25, ::audrey:: escribi?: > >> >> >>> I have a solution for see and hear everything from manizales ... >>> see this link: >>> http://ustream.tv/recorded/Wp9eVgPGolrsdnxjGnMvkw >>> >> >> this is really great! >> >> >> PS - i havent' sorted this calendar thing yet? - what time tonight? (i need >> to run and get a camera...) >> >> >> >> >> ? ? ? D?couvrez les styles qui font sensation sur Yahoo! Qu?bec Avatars. >> http://cf.avatars.yahoo.com/ >> _______________________________________________ >> aether mailing list >> aether at [nospam] 1904.cc >> http://lists.1904.cc/mailman/listinfo/aether >> > > > > _______________________________________________ > aether mailing list > aether at [nospam] 1904.cc > http://lists.1904.cc/mailman/listinfo/aether The League of Imaginary Scientists -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.1904.cc/pipermail/aether/attachments/20080329/8457a099/attachment.html -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: image/gif Size: 3346 bytes Desc: not available Url : http://lists.1904.cc/pipermail/aether/attachments/20080329/8457a099/attachment.gif From ciruela at [nospam] une.net.co Sat Mar 29 16:59:44 2008 From: ciruela at [nospam] une.net.co (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?Paula_V=E9lez_Bravo?=) Date: Sat, 29 Mar 2008 10:59:44 -0500 Subject: [aether] aether9 mongulus and ustream In-Reply-To: References: <455011.49321.qm {a+} web50211.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Message-ID: the shit with this streaming tools it is the terms and conditions. this clause is from mongulus but i think ustream it is the same: 3.3 You retain all of your ownership rights in your Produced Content. However, by submitting Produced Content to Mogulus, you hereby: (i) grant Mogulus a perpetual, worldwide, non-exclusive, royalty- free, fully paid-up, sub-licensable through multiple tiers and freely transferable license to display, perform, use, reproduce, distribute, publish, create derivative works of, display, perform, sell, edit, and otherwise exploit your Produced Content in connection with the Mogulus Service and Mogulus. (and its successor.s) business, including without limitation for promoting and redistributing your Produced Content or part of or all of the Mogulus Service (and derivative works thereof) in any media formats, media channels or medium now or hereafter in existence. For the avoidance of doubt, the foregoing license includes, but is not limited to, the right to reproduce, distribute, display, perform, make derivative works from or otherwise exploit your Produced Content in proximity with or in connection with any third party content; and (ii) grant each user of the Mogulus Service a non-exclusive license to access your Produced Content through the Mogulus Service, and to use, reproduce, distribute, publish, prepare derivative works of, display and perform such Produced Content solely as permitted through the functionality of the Mogulus Service and under these Terms of Use. well, anyway it is a good tool to work this time in festival de l'mage.... if anyone has another idea? cheeeeers paula -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.1904.cc/pipermail/aether/attachments/20080329/8cc8aea4/attachment.html From ciruela at [nospam] une.net.co Sat Mar 29 17:09:33 2008 From: ciruela at [nospam] une.net.co (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?Paula_V=E9lez_Bravo?=) Date: Sat, 29 Mar 2008 11:09:33 -0500 Subject: [aether] Re : aether9 flipbook In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Lucy: i loooveee flipbooks. This idea is great. there are a lot off footage i have from tremor fest and others and i didnt send it already....uffff.... urgent ! great idea. LRRH flipbook. Paula El 29/03/2008, a las 10:56, The League of Imaginary Scientists escribi?: > Hey! Just listened again to Paula?s stream (I think it?s a great > way to communicate and archive projects? development ? could make a > very vital archive for future) & I had an idea! - you know those > flip books with different heads and bottoms where you can flip > through and create new figures? Been thinking about what artifact > the League could make to support the LRRH performances, and about > Judy?s suggestion to have a new kind of playbill ? what about a > flip book that has information about Aether9 participants mixed in > with the myth of LRRH? - an interactive playbill with the various > panels representing different entities in Aether9 and descriptions > (some of you could send a head, others a middle) and then other > parts of it relating to the wolf ? have a wolf head and body, > grandma legs, and little red-rh torso and cape... > > I could make it very simple where you print it out and the viewer > makes the flip book themselves ? would have instructions, dotted > lines for cutting, and a couple blank frames for them to add > themselves into the narrative ? making it interactive... (maybe 9 > pages of each section ? for aether 9?) - perhaps these visuals ? as > graphics ? could also play at random on-screen before and after the > actual show? > > What do you think? > ! LUCY > > On 3/29/08 8:10 AM, "Paula V?lez Bravo" wrote: > >> here there is another streaming tv possibility. >> >> without a "marque d'eau"... >> >> http://www.mogulus.com/ >> >> we must test it also. >> >> today i'm all day around my computer waiting for the meeting. >> >> >> paula >> >> El 29/03/2008, a las 9:25, ::audrey:: escribi?: >> >>> >>> >>>> I have a solution for see and hear everything from manizales ... >>>> see this link: >>>> http://ustream.tv/recorded/Wp9eVgPGolrsdnxjGnMvkw >>>> >>> >>> this is really great! >>> >>> >>> PS - i havent' sorted this calendar thing yet - what time >>> tonight? (i need to run and get a camera...) >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> D?couvrez les styles qui font sensation sur Yahoo! Qu?bec >>> Avatars. >>> http://cf.avatars.yahoo.com/ >>> _______________________________________________ >>> aether mailing list >>> aether at [nospam] 1904.cc >>> http://lists.1904.cc/mailman/listinfo/aether >>> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> aether mailing list >> aether at [nospam] 1904.cc >> http://lists.1904.cc/mailman/listinfo/aether > > > The League of Imaginary Scientists > > _______________________________________________ > aether mailing list > aether at [nospam] 1904.cc > http://lists.1904.cc/mailman/listinfo/aether -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.1904.cc/pipermail/aether/attachments/20080329/20fa0ddf/attachment.html From ideacritik at [nospam] yahoo.ca Sat Mar 29 17:16:29 2008 From: ideacritik at [nospam] yahoo.ca (::audrey::) Date: Sat, 29 Mar 2008 09:16:29 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [aether] Re : Re : aether9 ustream Message-ID: <924356.74889.qm {a+} web50204.mail.re2.yahoo.com> great! >- perhaps these visuals ? as graphics ? could also play at random on-screen before and after the actual show? like the idea of having a set of images which play before our performances - as a signature >?what about a flip book that has information about Aether9 participantsmixed in with the myth of LRRH? - an interactive playbill with thevarious panels representing different entities in Aether9 anddescriptions (some of you could send a head, others a middle) and thenother parts of it relating to the wolf ? have a wolf head and body,grandma legs, and little red-rh torso and cape... do you see this as: 'us as people' in the images or 'us as characters in LRRH' or a mixture of both? a ----- Message initial ---- De : The League of Imaginary Scientists ? : //// collaborative networked performance //// Envoy? le : samedi 29 mars 2008, 16 h 56 min 40 s Objet : Re: [aether] Re : aether9 ustream Re: [aether] Re : aether9 ustreamHey! Just listened again to Paula?s stream (I think it?s a great way to communicate and archive projects? development ? could make a very vital archive for future) & I had an idea! - you know those flip books with different heads and bottoms where you can flip through and create new figures? Been thinking about what artifact the League could make to support the LRRH performances, and about Judy?s suggestion to have a new kind of playbill ? what about a flip book that has information about Aether9 participants mixed in with the myth of LRRH? - an interactive playbill with the various panels representing different entities in Aether9 and descriptions (some of you could send a head, others a middle) and then other parts of it relating to the wolf ? have a wolf head and body, grandma legs, and little red-rh torso and cape... I could make it very simple where you print it out and the viewer makes the flip book themselves ? would have instructions, dotted lines for cutting, and a couple blank frames for them to add themselves into the narrative ? making it interactive... (maybe 9 pages of each section ? for aether 9?) What do you think? ! LUCY On 3/29/08 8:10 AM, "Paula V?lez Bravo" wrote: here there is another streaming tv possibility. without a "marque d'eau"... http://www.mogulus.com/ we must test it also. today i'm all day around my computer waiting for the meeting. paula El 29/03/2008, a las 9:25, ::audrey:: escribi?: I have a solution for see and hear everything from manizales ... see this link: http://ustream.tv/recorded/Wp9eVgPGolrsdnxjGnMvkw this is really great! PS - i havent' sorted this calendar thing yet - what time tonight? (i need to run and get a camera...) D?couvrez les styles qui font sensation sur Yahoo! 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Mixing real and the fantasy? On 3/29/08 9:16 AM, "::audrey::" wrote: > great! > >> >- perhaps these visuals ? as graphics ? could also play at random on-screen >> before and after the actual show? > > like the idea of having a set of images which play before our performances - > as a signature > >> >? what about a flip book that has information about Aether9 participants >> mixed in with the myth of LRRH? - an interactive playbill with the various >> panels representing different entities in Aether9 and descriptions (some of >> you could send a head, others a middle) and then other parts of it relating >> to the wolf ? have a wolf head and body, grandma legs, and little red-rh >> torso and cape... > > do you see this as: 'us as people' in the images or 'us as characters in LRRH' > or a mixture of both? > > a > > ----- Message initial ---- > De : The League of Imaginary Scientists > ? : //// collaborative networked performance //// > Envoy? le : samedi 29 mars 2008, 16 h 56 min 40 s > Objet : Re: [aether] Re : aether9 ustream > > Re: [aether] Re : aether9 ustream Hey! Just listened again to Paula?s stream > (I think it?s a great way to communicate and archive projects? development ? > could make a very vital archive for future) & I had an idea! - you know those > flip books with different heads and bottoms where you can flip through and > create new figures? Been thinking about what artifact the League could make > to support the LRRH performances, and about Judy?s suggestion to have a new > kind of playbill ? what about a flip book that has information about Aether9 > participants mixed in with the myth of LRRH? - an interactive playbill with > the various panels representing different entities in Aether9 and descriptions > (some of you could send a head, others a middle) and then other parts of it > relating to the wolf ? have a wolf head and body, grandma legs, and little > red-rh torso and cape... > > I could make it very simple where you print it out and the viewer makes the > flip book themselves ? would have instructions, dotted lines for cutting, and > a couple blank frames for them to add themselves into the narrative ? making > it interactive... (maybe 9 pages of each section ? for aether 9?) > > What do you think? > ! LUCY > > On 3/29/08 8:10 AM, "Paula V?lez Bravo" wrote: > >> here there is another streaming tv possibility. >> >> without a "marque d'eau"... >> >> http://www.mogulus.com/ >> >> we must test it also. >> >> today i'm all day around my computer waiting for the meeting. >> >> >> paula >> >> El 29/03/2008, a las 9:25, ::audrey:: escribi?: >> >>> >>> >>>> I have a solution for see and hear everything from manizales ... >>>> see this link: >>>> http://ustream.tv/recorded/Wp9eVgPGolrsdnxjGnMvkw >>>> >>> >>> this is really great! >>> >>> >>> PS - i havent' sorted this calendar thing yet - what time tonight? (i need >>> to run and get a camera...) >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> D?couvrez les styles qui font sensation sur Yahoo! Qu?bec Avatars. >>> http://cf.avatars.yahoo.com/ >>> _______________________________________________ >>> aether mailing list >>> aether at [nospam] 1904.cc >>> http://lists.1904.cc/mailman/listinfo/aether >>> >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> aether mailing list >> aether at [nospam] 1904.cc >> http://lists.1904.cc/mailman/listinfo/aether > > > The League of Imaginary Scientists -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.1904.cc/pipermail/aether/attachments/20080329/9573c7f9/attachment.html From cymnet at [nospam] gmail.com Sat Mar 29 17:22:19 2008 From: cymnet at [nospam] gmail.com (cym net) Date: Sat, 29 Mar 2008 17:22:19 +0100 Subject: [aether] aethernaute traveling In-Reply-To: <4BCDEBBC-111B-4CD3-968C-74F7605B9C9E {a+} une.net.co> References: <4BCDEBBC-111B-4CD3-968C-74F7605B9C9E {a+} une.net.co> Message-ID: <95c795f70803290922t588e4f3ai1d94d9c3de27cc97 {a+} mail.gmail.com> If you can pass by Walkersdorf in the first week of July would be good. But any other time in June or July is also okay. (except end of July when I plan to be at ISEA) Alternatively I can come to Trieste and visit you there. Trieste is not so far away for me. Would be really nice to meet you! Or maybe I should come to Rome and meet you and Lucy at the same time :-) cym On Sat, Mar 29, 2008 at 4:24 AM, Paula V?lez Bravo wrote: > probably yes, because i'm planning to go ? la toscanne... > to see a friend and cinema professor and passe some days there, then > i have some friends also in trieste that usually organise concerts... > maybe i could play Vj there, i dont know. So if i could participate > in this city building projet i could look for plane easyjet tiquets > to have good offers.... > > I must go to england 13 of july then return 2 of august. > > we could see if the dates are ok... great! > > paula > > El 28/03/2008, a las 20:51, The League of Imaginary Scientists escribi?: > > > > > I'll be in rome first two weeks of July - perhaps you are going there? > > We'll be working on a participatory city-building project & bike > > tour... > > http://www.rebuildingRome.com > > > > - LUCY > > > > On 3/28/08 6:39 PM, "Paula V?lez Bravo" wrote: > > > >> Hi... > >> > >> I just want to announce that I have airplane tiquets to arrive in > >> european territoire in june 13 (13/ 06/08) . And I'm goiing to stay > >> until 19 / 08 /2008. > >> > >> Then we can planned things to do. I will be in Paris, but also in > >> other cities. I must go to London, Madrid, and others. Lets do > >> something. > >> > >> I'm planning to do some projets, developpe things and be cool too. > >> > >> Voil?. > >> > >> Paula V?lez > >> _______________________________________________ > >> aether mailing list > >> aether at [nospam] 1904.cc > >> http://lists.1904.cc/mailman/listinfo/aether > > > > The League of Imaginary Scientists > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > aether mailing list > > aether at [nospam] 1904.cc > > http://lists.1904.cc/mailman/listinfo/aether > > _______________________________________________ > aether mailing list > aether at [nospam] 1904.cc > http://lists.1904.cc/mailman/listinfo/aether > From theleague at [nospam] imaginaryscience.org Sat Mar 29 17:30:17 2008 From: theleague at [nospam] imaginaryscience.org (The League of Imaginary Scientists) Date: Sat, 29 Mar 2008 09:30:17 -0700 Subject: [aether] aethernaute traveling In-Reply-To: <95c795f70803290922t588e4f3ai1d94d9c3de27cc97 {a+} mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: Yeah - Rome! On 3/29/08 9:22 AM, "cym net" wrote: > If you can pass by Walkersdorf in the first week of July would be good. But > any other time in June or July is also okay. (except end of July when I plan > to be at ISEA) Alternatively I can come to Trieste and visit you there. > Trieste is not so far away for me. Would be really nice to meet you! Or > maybe I should come to Rome and meet you and Lucy at the same time > :-) cym On Sat, Mar 29, 2008 at 4:24 AM, Paula V?lez Bravo > wrote: > probably yes, because i'm planning to go ? la > toscanne... > to see a friend and cinema professor and passe some days there, > then > i have some friends also in trieste that usually organise > concerts... > maybe i could play Vj there, i dont know. So if i could > participate > in this city building projet i could look for plane easyjet > tiquets > to have good offers.... > > I must go to england 13 of july then > return 2 of august. > > we could see if the dates are ok... great! > > > paula > > El 28/03/2008, a las 20:51, The League of Imaginary Scientists > escribi?: > > > > > I'll be in rome first two weeks of July - perhaps you are > going there? > > We'll be working on a participatory city-building project & > bike > > tour... > > http://www.rebuildingRome.com > > > > - LUCY > > > > > On 3/28/08 6:39 PM, "Paula V?lez Bravo" wrote: > > > > >> Hi... > >> > >> I just want to announce that I have airplane tiquets to > arrive in > >> european territoire in june 13 (13/ 06/08) . And I'm goiing to > stay > >> until 19 / 08 /2008. > >> > >> Then we can planned things to do. > I will be in Paris, but also in > >> other cities. I must go to London, > Madrid, and others. Lets do > >> something. > >> > >> I'm planning to do > some projets, developpe things and be cool too. > >> > >> Voil?. > >> > >> > Paula V?lez > >> _______________________________________________ > >> aether > mailing list > >> aether at [nospam] 1904.cc > >> > http://lists.1904.cc/mailman/listinfo/aether > > > > The League of > Imaginary Scientists > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > aether mailing list > > > aether at [nospam] 1904.cc > > http://lists.1904.cc/mailman/listinfo/aether > > > _______________________________________________ > aether mailing list > > aether at [nospam] 1904.cc > > http://lists.1904.cc/mailman/listinfo/aether > _______________________________ > ________________ aether mailing > list aether at [nospam] 1904.cc http://lists.1904.cc/mailman/listinfo/aether The League of Imaginary Scientists From knickerbockerjuju at [nospam] yahoo.com Sat Mar 29 18:11:29 2008 From: knickerbockerjuju at [nospam] yahoo.com (Judy Nylon) Date: Sat, 29 Mar 2008 10:11:29 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [aether] Aether opportunity.....not to deal with today, but pull to desktop & deal with ASAP In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <827939.95576.qm {a+} web62301.mail.re1.yahoo.com> I would have to get back to Cale fairly quickly (he would be the Imaginary Scientist's guest as he is more often that not in LA these days) My response to his email would start, "Careful what you wish for....." but he might do it if I ask. I adore the weaving of multi-locations and multi-temporal locations in the virtual present. Plus we have honored Beckett and Tesla.....why not Cage? The documentation is to be complete including every bit of mind share starting with Paul Bresnick, who edits a series of books that are music related. Do google him, Cale , Phoebe (who has a doctorate in music comp and would love to do this). It would be a dream to promote if a nightmare to coordinate. You know the Net Audio crowd in London will be glad to receive our proposal; but it has to be done quickly. We will need 12 aether boxes for this maybe?? Can we develop this concept?? I have a couple more emails to send to aethernautes but am trying to keep ideas untangled by sending separately. This just all fell into me in some sort of grace of in-box coincidence within 24 hours.....allowing me to put the pieces of an idea together like a hand of cards. JUDY --------------------------------- Like movies? Here's a limited-time offer: Blockbuster Total Access for one month at no cost. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.1904.cc/pipermail/aether/attachments/20080329/cdc69ec0/attachment.html -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: Mapping collaboration With guests for Net Audio 08.docx Type: application/octet-stream Size: 121986 bytes Desc: 1757381047-Mapping collaboration With guests for Net Audio 08.docx Url : http://lists.1904.cc/pipermail/aether/attachments/20080329/cdc69ec0/attachment.obj From ciruela at [nospam] une.net.co Sat Mar 29 18:43:06 2008 From: ciruela at [nospam] une.net.co (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?Paula_V=E9lez_Bravo?=) Date: Sat, 29 Mar 2008 12:43:06 -0500 Subject: [aether] Re : Re : aether9 ustream In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <46CE3E46-852C-4162-B73B-99672AC8C20D {a+} une.net.co> i prefer only the characters, figures. El 29/03/2008, a las 11:20, The League of Imaginary Scientists escribi?: > What do you think? Mixing real and the fantasy? > > On 3/29/08 9:16 AM, "::audrey::" wrote: > >> great! >> >> >- perhaps these visuals ? as graphics ? could also play at random >> on-screen before and after the actual show? >> >> like the idea of having a set of images which play before our >> performances - as a signature >> >> >? what about a flip book that has information about Aether9 >> participants mixed in with the myth of LRRH? - an interactive >> playbill with the various panels representing different entities >> in Aether9 and descriptions (some of you could send a head, others >> a middle) and then other parts of it relating to the wolf ? have a >> wolf head and body, grandma legs, and little red-rh torso and cape... >> >> do you see this as: 'us as people' in the images or 'us as >> characters in LRRH' or a mixture of both? >> >> a >> >> ----- Message initial ---- >> De : The League of Imaginary Scientists >> >> ? : //// collaborative networked performance //// >> Envoy? le : samedi 29 mars 2008, 16 h 56 min 40 s >> Objet : Re: [aether] Re : aether9 ustream >> >> Re: [aether] Re : aether9 ustream Hey! Just listened again to >> Paula?s stream (I think it?s a great way to communicate and >> archive projects? development ? could make a very vital archive >> for future) & I had an idea! - you know those flip books with >> different heads and bottoms where you can flip through and create >> new figures? Been thinking about what artifact the League could >> make to support the LRRH performances, and about Judy?s suggestion >> to have a new kind of playbill ? what about a flip book that has >> information about Aether9 participants mixed in with the myth of >> LRRH? - an interactive playbill with the various panels >> representing different entities in Aether9 and descriptions (some >> of you could send a head, others a middle) and then other parts of >> it relating to the wolf ? have a wolf head and body, grandma legs, >> and little red-rh torso and cape... >> >> I could make it very simple where you print it out and the viewer >> makes the flip book themselves ? would have instructions, dotted >> lines for cutting, and a couple blank frames for them to add >> themselves into the narrative ? making it interactive... (maybe 9 >> pages of each section ? for aether 9?) >> >> What do you think? >> ! LUCY >> >> On 3/29/08 8:10 AM, "Paula V?lez Bravo" wrote: >> >>> here there is another streaming tv possibility. >>> >>> without a "marque d'eau"... >>> >>> http://www.mogulus.com/ >>> >>> we must test it also. >>> >>> today i'm all day around my computer waiting for the meeting. >>> >>> >>> paula >>> >>> El 29/03/2008, a las 9:25, ::audrey:: escribi?: >>> >>>> >>>> >>>>> I have a solution for see and hear everything from manizales ... >>>>> see this link: >>>>> http://ustream.tv/recorded/Wp9eVgPGolrsdnxjGnMvkw >>>>> >>>> >>>> this is really great! >>>> >>>> >>>> PS - i havent' sorted this calendar thing yet - what time >>>> tonight? (i need to run and get a camera...) >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> D?couvrez les styles qui font sensation sur Yahoo! Qu?bec >>>> Avatars. >>>> http://cf.avatars.yahoo.com/ >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> aether mailing list >>>> aether at [nospam] 1904.cc >>>> http://lists.1904.cc/mailman/listinfo/aether >>>> >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> aether mailing list >>> aether at [nospam] 1904.cc >>> http://lists.1904.cc/mailman/listinfo/aether >> >> >> The League of Imaginary Scientists > _______________________________________________ > aether mailing list > aether at [nospam] 1904.cc > http://lists.1904.cc/mailman/listinfo/aether -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.1904.cc/pipermail/aether/attachments/20080329/bf84cc65/attachment.html From knickerbockerjuju at [nospam] yahoo.com Sat Mar 29 18:44:11 2008 From: knickerbockerjuju at [nospam] yahoo.com (Judy Nylon) Date: Sat, 29 Mar 2008 10:44:11 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [aether] meeting ...I am also going to be only on SKYPE today....JN In-Reply-To: <47EE6BBF.2030208 {a+} n3krozoft.com> Message-ID: <824231.85254.qm {a+} web62312.mail.re1.yahoo.com> I am writing observations re: presentation yesterday....and will be on Skype today at 3 PM EST . I am thrilled if my DaDa Dollhouse pictures can be used in a flipbook playbook for LRRH JUDY bk wrote: see you at 20:00 CET i'll be online (with a very slow connexion so it will be skype mostly for me) Boris 1.1.1904 wrote: > audrey, the meeting is scheduled at 20:00 CET this evening > > > >> PS - i havent' sorted this calendar thing yet - what time tonight? >> (i need to run and get a camera...) >> >> >> > _______________________________________________ > aether mailing list > aether at [nospam] 1904.cc > http://lists.1904.cc/mailman/listinfo/aether > > _______________________________________________ aether mailing list aether at [nospam] 1904.cc http://lists.1904.cc/mailman/listinfo/aether --------------------------------- Looking for last minute shopping deals? Find them fast with Yahoo! Search. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.1904.cc/pipermail/aether/attachments/20080329/30fdd32a/attachment.html From ciruela at [nospam] une.net.co Sat Mar 29 18:49:01 2008 From: ciruela at [nospam] une.net.co (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?Paula_V=E9lez_Bravo?=) Date: Sat, 29 Mar 2008 12:49:01 -0500 Subject: [aether] aethernaute traveling In-Reply-To: <95c795f70803290922t588e4f3ai1d94d9c3de27cc97 {a+} mail.gmail.com> References: <4BCDEBBC-111B-4CD3-968C-74F7605B9C9E {a+} une.net.co> <95c795f70803290922t588e4f3ai1d94d9c3de27cc97 {a+} mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: Cym: great. let me plan everything i wish i could go see you in Walkersdorf too, i?d love to walk around places i dont know. i must take a calendar, planned everything , see transportation and stuff... then i probably take a bike from lucy's rome project and go to walkersdorf... trieste it is not already sure, but yes in toscana.... so... lets plan to do some urban or rural play intervention-meeting- streaming-mapping thing. wao... i'm so exited to meet you lucy and cym! paula El 29/03/2008, a las 11:22, cym net escribi?: > If you can pass by Walkersdorf in the first week of July would be > good. > But any other time in June or July is also okay. (except end of July > when I plan to be at ISEA) > Alternatively I can come to Trieste and visit you there. Trieste is > not so far away for me. > > Would be really nice to meet you! > > Or maybe I should come to Rome and meet you and Lucy at the same > time :-) > > cym > > > On Sat, Mar 29, 2008 at 4:24 AM, Paula V?lez Bravo > wrote: >> probably yes, because i'm planning to go ? la toscanne... >> to see a friend and cinema professor and passe some days there, then >> i have some friends also in trieste that usually organise >> concerts... >> maybe i could play Vj there, i dont know. So if i could participate >> in this city building projet i could look for plane easyjet tiquets >> to have good offers.... >> >> I must go to england 13 of july then return 2 of august. >> >> we could see if the dates are ok... great! >> >> paula >> >> El 28/03/2008, a las 20:51, The League of Imaginary Scientists >> escribi?: >> >> >> >>> I'll be in rome first two weeks of July - perhaps you are going >>> there? >>> We'll be working on a participatory city-building project & bike >>> tour... >>> http://www.rebuildingRome.com >>> >>> - LUCY >>> >>> On 3/28/08 6:39 PM, "Paula V?lez Bravo" wrote: >>> >>>> Hi... >>>> >>>> I just want to announce that I have airplane tiquets to arrive in >>>> european territoire in june 13 (13/ 06/08) . And I'm goiing to stay >>>> until 19 / 08 /2008. >>>> >>>> Then we can planned things to do. I will be in Paris, but also in >>>> other cities. I must go to London, Madrid, and others. Lets do >>>> something. >>>> >>>> I'm planning to do some projets, developpe things and be cool too. >>>> >>>> Voil?. >>>> >>>> Paula V?lez >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> aether mailing list >>>> aether at [nospam] 1904.cc >>>> http://lists.1904.cc/mailman/listinfo/aether >>> >>> The League of Imaginary Scientists >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> aether mailing list >>> aether at [nospam] 1904.cc >>> http://lists.1904.cc/mailman/listinfo/aether >> >> _______________________________________________ >> aether mailing list >> aether at [nospam] 1904.cc >> http://lists.1904.cc/mailman/listinfo/aether >> > _______________________________________________ > aether mailing list > aether at [nospam] 1904.cc > http://lists.1904.cc/mailman/listinfo/aether From ciruela at [nospam] une.net.co Sat Mar 29 19:06:52 2008 From: ciruela at [nospam] une.net.co (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?Paula_V=E9lez_Bravo?=) Date: Sat, 29 Mar 2008 13:06:52 -0500 Subject: [aether] mongulus aether channel In-Reply-To: References: <4BCDEBBC-111B-4CD3-968C-74F7605B9C9E {a+} une.net.co> <95c795f70803290922t588e4f3ai1d94d9c3de27cc97 {a+} mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <87AA945E-B942-4A9A-85C4-BA11422363C7 {a+} une.net.co> http://www.mogulus.com/aether let's test it today. paula -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.1904.cc/pipermail/aether/attachments/20080329/e05b2bdc/attachment.html From knickerbockerjuju at [nospam] yahoo.com Sat Mar 29 19:29:04 2008 From: knickerbockerjuju at [nospam] yahoo.com (Judy Nylon) Date: Sat, 29 Mar 2008 11:29:04 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [aether] aethernaute traveling In-Reply-To: <95c795f70803290922t588e4f3ai1d94d9c3de27cc97 {a+} mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <97052.98115.qm {a+} web62313.mail.re1.yahoo.com> Cym, I have just sent a cc'd email introduction to you at your gmail address. I met Koan Jeff Baysa at my presentation yesterday and he will be at ISEA. Below is some info on him from google: Koan-Jeff Baysa, medical sciences curator, New York, Los Angeles Koan-Jeff Baysa MD is a curator, writer, art collector, practicing physician, and alumnus of the Whitney Independent Study Program in Curatorial Studies. His writing appears in gallery and museum catalogues, art periodicals, website journals, and medical-science publications. Critiques, teaching, and lecture venues include the American Intercontinental University in Del Mar, California, Montclair State University in New Jersey, Independent Studio and Curatorial Program in New York City, Parsons Association of Independent Colleges of Art and Design New York Studio Program in Manhattan, and Art Omi in Ghent, New York. He has been a panelist at the Asian Art Museum in San Francisco, The Asian American Art Centre, University of Hawaii, Asian/Pacific/American Studies Program and Institute at NYU, the Zimmerli Museum in New Jersey and the Whitney Museum of American Art in New York. He has been invited to participate in graduate architecture critiques at Pratt Institute and Columbia University. With Dana Friis-Hansen, he co-curated the exhibition, "At Home and Abroad" that traveled from San Francisco to Hawaii, Houston, and Manila. He has organized components of the London Biennale 2000 and the LA International Biennial 2001. Upcoming projects include "Red Beans and Rice: Asian Artists in the American New South" co-curated with Craig Bunting. Current exhibitions include "In the Gloaming" at The Fields at Art Omi, Ghent, upstate New York, and "-[not(painting)] at the Ise Cultural Foundation in SoHo, New York. Dr. Baysa is on the boards of The Vera List Center for Art and Politics at The New School, ASCI (Art and Science Collaborations Inc.), Art Omi International Artists Colony, Cross Path Culture, WetLab, and artbrain.org. cym net wrote: If you can pass by Walkersdorf in the first week of July would be good. But any other time in June or July is also okay. (except end of July when I plan to be at ISEA) Alternatively I can come to Trieste and visit you there. Trieste is not so far away for me. Would be really nice to meet you! Or maybe I should come to Rome and meet you and Lucy at the same time :-) cym On Sat, Mar 29, 2008 at 4:24 AM, Paula V?lez Bravo wrote: > probably yes, because i'm planning to go ? la toscanne... > to see a friend and cinema professor and passe some days there, then > i have some friends also in trieste that usually organise concerts... > maybe i could play Vj there, i dont know. So if i could participate > in this city building projet i could look for plane easyjet tiquets > to have good offers.... > > I must go to england 13 of july then return 2 of august. > > we could see if the dates are ok... great! > > paula > > El 28/03/2008, a las 20:51, The League of Imaginary Scientists escribi?: > > > > > I'll be in rome first two weeks of July - perhaps you are going there? > > We'll be working on a participatory city-building project & bike > > tour... > > http://www.rebuildingRome.com > > > > - LUCY > > > > On 3/28/08 6:39 PM, "Paula V?lez Bravo" wrote: > > > >> Hi... > >> > >> I just want to announce that I have airplane tiquets to arrive in > >> european territoire in june 13 (13/ 06/08) . And I'm goiing to stay > >> until 19 / 08 /2008. > >> > >> Then we can planned things to do. I will be in Paris, but also in > >> other cities. I must go to London, Madrid, and others. Lets do > >> something. > >> > >> I'm planning to do some projets, developpe things and be cool too. > >> > >> Voil?. > >> > >> Paula V?lez > >> _______________________________________________ > >> aether mailing list > >> aether at [nospam] 1904.cc > >> http://lists.1904.cc/mailman/listinfo/aether > > > > The League of Imaginary Scientists > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > aether mailing list > > aether at [nospam] 1904.cc > > http://lists.1904.cc/mailman/listinfo/aether > > _______________________________________________ > aether mailing list > aether at [nospam] 1904.cc > http://lists.1904.cc/mailman/listinfo/aether > _______________________________________________ aether mailing list aether at [nospam] 1904.cc http://lists.1904.cc/mailman/listinfo/aether --------------------------------- Special deal for Yahoo! users & friends - No Cost. 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On 3/29/08 10:43 AM, "Paula V?lez Bravo" wrote: > i prefer only the characters, figures. > > > > El 29/03/2008, a las 11:20, The League of Imaginary Scientists escribi?: > >> What do you think? ?Mixing real and the fantasy? >> >> On 3/29/08 9:16 AM, "::audrey::" wrote: >> >> >>> great! >>> >>>> >- perhaps these visuals ? as graphics ? could also play at random >>>> on-screen before and after the actual show? >>> >>> like the idea of having a set of images which play before our performances >>> - as a signature >>> >>>> >? what about a flip book that has information about Aether9 participants >>>> mixed in with the myth of LRRH? ?- an interactive playbill with the various >>>> panels representing different entities in Aether9 and descriptions (some of >>>> you could send a head, others a middle) and then other parts of it relating >>>> to the wolf ? have a wolf head and body, grandma legs, and little red-rh >>>> torso and cape... >>> >>> do you see this as: 'us as people' in the images or 'us as characters in >>> LRRH' or a mixture of both? >>> >>> a >>> >>> ----- Message initial ---- >>> De : The League of Imaginary Scientists >>> ? : //// collaborative networked performance //// >>> Envoy? le : samedi 29 mars 2008, 16 h 56 min 40 s >>> Objet : Re: [aether] Re : ?aether9 ustream >>> >>> Re: [aether] Re : ?aether9 ustream Hey! ?Just listened again to Paula?s >>> stream (I think it?s a great way to communicate and archive projects? >>> development ? could make a very vital archive for future) & I had an idea! - >>> you know those flip books with different heads and bottoms where you can >>> flip through and create new figures? ?Been thinking about what artifact the >>> League could make to support the LRRH performances, and about Judy?s >>> suggestion to have a new kind of playbill ? what about a flip book that has >>> information about Aether9 participants mixed in with the myth of LRRH? ?- an >>> interactive playbill with the various panels representing different entities >>> in Aether9 and descriptions (some of you could send a head, others a middle) >>> and then other parts of it relating to the wolf ? have a wolf head and body, >>> grandma legs, and little red-rh torso and cape... >>> >>> I could make it very simple where you print it out and the viewer makes the >>> flip book themselves ? would have instructions, dotted lines for cutting, >>> and a couple blank frames for them to add themselves into the narrative ? >>> making it interactive... ?(maybe 9 pages of each section ? for aether 9?) >>> >>> What do you think? >>> ! LUCY >>> >>> On 3/29/08 8:10 AM, "Paula V?lez Bravo" wrote: >>> >>> >>>> here there is another streaming tv possibility. >>>> >>>> without a "marque d'eau"... >>>> >>>> http://www.mogulus.com/ >>>> >>>> we must test it also. >>>> >>>> today i'm all day around my computer waiting for the meeting. >>>> >>>> >>>> paula >>>> >>>> El 29/03/2008, a las 9:25, ::audrey:: escribi?: >>>> >>>> >>>>> >>>>> ? >>>>> >>>>>> I have a solution for see and hear everything from manizales ... >>>>>> see this link: >>>>>> http://ustream.tv/recorded/Wp9eVgPGolrsdnxjGnMvkw >>>>>> ? >>>>>> >>>>> >>>>> this is really great! >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> PS - i havent' sorted this calendar thing yet ?- what time tonight? (i >>>>> need to run and get a camera...) >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> ??????D?couvrez les styles qui font sensation sur Yahoo! 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URL: http://lists.1904.cc/pipermail/aether/attachments/20080329/1b18509b/attachment.html From fe2cruz at [nospam] hotmail.com Sat Mar 29 22:52:46 2008 From: fe2cruz at [nospam] hotmail.com (christiaan cruz) Date: Sat, 29 Mar 2008 14:52:46 -0700 Subject: [aether] same time sunday? 20:00CET Message-ID: post your vote and put it on the calendar From ciruela at [nospam] une.net.co Sat Mar 29 23:12:04 2008 From: ciruela at [nospam] une.net.co (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?Paula_V=E9lez_Bravo?=) Date: Sat, 29 Mar 2008 17:12:04 -0500 Subject: [aether] aether meeting recorded In-Reply-To: <95c795f70803290922t588e4f3ai1d94d9c3de27cc97 {a+} mail.gmail.com> References: <4BCDEBBC-111B-4CD3-968C-74F7605B9C9E {a+} une.net.co> <95c795f70803290922t588e4f3ai1d94d9c3de27cc97 {a+} mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <2DA5FAAD-C06F-41EF-B8A3-9E84B7DD25B1 {a+} une.net.co> http://www.ustream.tv/recorded/sqVAYJhPyFNYQVtpUIh,T7F2pLttiKm7 Sorry for the skype conversation, it was a mess, but for next conversations maybe the moderator must be the one who is responsable for the "in situ performance". maybe i must moderate the nex one, then when we pass to technical things must be moderated by manu, and then again and again... POints to see: 1. define final script with 2.number of participants confirmed for FIDIM. who? -paula -audrey -manu -chirstian -nathalie -boris -lucy? -july (sound?) 3. final dates.... performance confirmed for: friday the 18th of april, in the colombian afternoon, that means ~ -7 hours to CET, which means a performance under the sign of a bootle of wine or some beers... 4. workshop date, place, hour, participants, materials needed. 5. workshop stream and remote conference interaction. Structure of this participation, who talk , when and about what part of the aether work. I will work in this questions all sunday. You tell me the one who planned to participate. THen, for the mapping festival i must see how and where can i participate. And this is very interesting because maybe this will happen since the FEstival de l'image is running, so it could be the possibility of repeating the performance twice but this second time i could put in a proyector the Mapping Festival feedback!!! Lets talk and think about this PAula From chloecramer at [nospam] gmail.com Sun Mar 30 10:42:31 2008 From: chloecramer at [nospam] gmail.com (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?chlo=E9_cramer?=) Date: Sun, 30 Mar 2008 09:42:31 +0100 Subject: [aether] same time sunday? 20:00CET In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <3d22b5760803300142i69e372b8w61f1a6f2e0b11780 {a+} mail.gmail.com> I am available. But how do I post a vote?Chlo? On Sat, Mar 29, 2008 at 10:52 PM, christiaan cruz wrote: > > post your vote and put it on the calendar > _______________________________________________ > aether mailing list > aether at [nospam] 1904.cc > http://lists.1904.cc/mailman/listinfo/aether > -- Chlo? Cramer 57 av. des Casernes B-1040 Bruxelles Mobile : +32 (0)472 61 62 01 fixe: +32 (0)2 613 79 25 chloecramer at [nospam] gmail.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.1904.cc/pipermail/aether/attachments/20080330/5293068a/attachment.html From chloecramer at [nospam] gmail.com Sun Mar 30 10:46:49 2008 From: chloecramer at [nospam] gmail.com (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?chlo=E9_cramer?=) Date: Sun, 30 Mar 2008 09:46:49 +0100 Subject: [aether] aether meeting recorded In-Reply-To: <2DA5FAAD-C06F-41EF-B8A3-9E84B7DD25B1 {a+} une.net.co> References: <4BCDEBBC-111B-4CD3-968C-74F7605B9C9E {a+} une.net.co> <95c795f70803290922t588e4f3ai1d94d9c3de27cc97 {a+} mail.gmail.com> <2DA5FAAD-C06F-41EF-B8A3-9E84B7DD25B1 {a+} une.net.co> Message-ID: <3d22b5760803300146l2f7af898ic3bd2498be22e06e {a+} mail.gmail.com> 2.number of participants confirmed for FIDIM. >> Add me to the participants please. 1. define final script >> The script should be ready soon. Personnaly, I was working on it for the last few days and I am ready to share my propositions soon. I was in touch with Boris.** Chlo? -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.1904.cc/pipermail/aether/attachments/20080330/3800801c/attachment.html From bk at [nospam] n3krozoft.com Sun Mar 30 19:52:09 2008 From: bk at [nospam] n3krozoft.com (bk) Date: Sun, 30 Mar 2008 19:52:09 +0200 Subject: [aether] latest script advancments In-Reply-To: <3d22b5760803300146l2f7af898ic3bd2498be22e06e {a+} mail.gmail.com> References: <4BCDEBBC-111B-4CD3-968C-74F7605B9C9E {a+} une.net.co> <95c795f70803290922t588e4f3ai1d94d9c3de27cc97 {a+} mail.gmail.com> <2DA5FAAD-C06F-41EF-B8A3-9E84B7DD25B1 {a+} une.net.co> <3d22b5760803300146l2f7af898ic3bd2498be22e06e {a+} mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <47EFD349.9050803 {a+} n3krozoft.com> Hi, here below is summarised some (i undoubtly forgot some) of the advancments we made on the last skype discussion about the next performance script - everything opened to discussion of course. > LRRH character: girls filmed live on screen look very good (if the camera zooms on them). They would appear on some frames at times. Brussel-LRRH as well, mimicing the web-cam girls. AND acting, not merely "beeing". Question now is: do we keep the 3 frames for the Brussel LRRH? i think yes, but not at the beggining. In the first half of the performance it shouldn't possible to tell that the Brussel-girl is different from other webcam girls. But after a while it would be good to upload her in different frames (different parts of the body) and gradually it would become obvious that it is staged, unlike the other girls. The Brussel-girl would be looking at the live-band playing at times. > Interaction/coincidence between webcam-girls and usual webcams is facinating. to be discussed: chlo?'s proposal for 3 static frames: > 1 containing text filmed in a LHHR book > 1 containing images filmed in a LHHR book > Paula proposed to do some drawings. Live? One big performance-drawing evolving during the performance? > The Hunter an austrian-style hunter smoking his pipe and cleaning his gun and tranvestiting himself and becoming a wolf - while on his webcam. Audrey's friend Tom volunteered to do such a character. > Live band They need a frame. they will be filmed with a little surveillance cam by a video operator. I proposed that they are dressed/masked in wolves. I like this idea, not sure if the band would do that though. > Text i propose that to upload text we use some chat interface that we film live on screen and upload. could use the chat interface on livejasmin.com for instance. "Why do you have such big ears? " and such... > Forest Audrey wrote: "i can imagine the webcam girl moving through frames while 'the walk in the forest' while other frames display forest for example..." > Main Operator how would he interact wiht the other performers - giving instructions of some sort? yes, how? // Flipbooks Lucy proposed 2 versions: 1) digital for before/after performance and 2) downloadable/printable on regular A4 paper w/ audience able to cut and fold into the flipbook. "maybe the book could be another way for viewers to enter the project - if some of the panels are left blank and they can draw or paste their own photos in - become part of the Aethersphere... ?" --> Like Audrey said, it is the posssibility to mix real and fantasy. --> makes me think again to the ARG "Augemented Reality Games" that Judy was pointing at recently. // Paula has been testing the TV-stream channels - should give a thought if/how to use it. // From knickerbockerjuju at [nospam] yahoo.com Sun Mar 30 19:52:20 2008 From: knickerbockerjuju at [nospam] yahoo.com (Judy Nylon) Date: Sun, 30 Mar 2008 10:52:20 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [aether] Script ideas..proping info....last nights brainstorms after Skype meeting In-Reply-To: <3d22b5760803300146l2f7af898ic3bd2498be22e06e {a+} mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <378626.96730.qm {a+} web62304.mail.re1.yahoo.com> Chloe........It was chaotic yesterday at the meeting. I thought about the script since I was wide awake at about 4AM and was unaware that you/Chloe was working on one. I thought we just had elements of a script but as yet no script. Anyway I've attached notes toward uniting some/all the elements we have been mentioning in emails about this piece. It is attached (this time) as a 2004 Word doc. Paula's last email through me off. I am guessing that "July" is a typing error and means "me" in the participants list. Paula has me down to do sound for Columbia (with a ?) . There will be 2 laptops here if needed and it is possible (with Jonathan's assistance) that NY can provide the Dollhouse building LIVE video AND the effects soundtrack/connecting music if it is needed.....because B von Maria will not be available for more than the Mapping Festival. We all need some clarity about who, when and what are each of our "deliverables"......though the idea of 2 shows in a row is excitingly like touring. JUDY chlo? cramer wrote: 2.number of participants confirmed for FIDIM. >> Add me to the participants please. 1. define final script >> The script should be ready soon. Personnaly, I was working on it for the last few days and I am ready to share my propositions soon. I was in touch with Boris.** Chlo? _______________________________________________ aether mailing list aether at [nospam] 1904.cc http://lists.1904.cc/mailman/listinfo/aether --------------------------------- No Cost - Get a month of Blockbuster Total Access now. Sweet deal for Yahoo! users and friends. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.1904.cc/pipermail/aether/attachments/20080330/6a074935/attachment.html -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Judy, sorry for lapsus writing july. next mail i will send you i will call you twice, like: Hi Judy Judy! yeah! by the way, the country where i live is called Colombia, not Columbia. ;) I saw the doll house photos today, they are fantastic dada! soon paula